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Re: [C2T] Our green card story and a question - do you carry your green card with you?

A QDOT.

The estate tax exemptions are pretty large for US citizens, so I wouldn't worry
about the estate tax on Nana's nest egg -- if you become a USC. Really, estate
tax is always tax on money that was already taxed. So are capital gains taxes
for that matter.

I just don't see the downside of someone married to a USC also becoming USC and
I see many pifalls if one doesn't. Particularly if one has USC children.


--- In canada_twincities@yahoogroups.com, "Cathy" <sparksals@...> wrote:
>
> I have been fighting the USC thing since I became eligible. A friend of mine
planted a seed that because of my husband's job and the frequency of our moves,
I should target employment with the federal govt so that I can transfer somewhat
easily whenever we move.
>
> I knew about this rule with estate taxation, but put it in the back of my
mind. There just seems to be more and more valid reasons to become one.
>
> This may be a further complicated question and I know the partial answer, but
regarding large inheritance from Canada, say over $250K. I know it must be
reported to the IRS, but is not taxable upon entry, but growth is. What bothers
me is it will have already been taxed in Canada and once here, I presume it will
eventually be taxable in our estates - a form of double taxation. I have been
careful that any funds from Canada remain in my name only so that should
something happen to my husband, it doesn't get taxed until I go.
>
> I had my financial planner in Tucson look into trusts, but apparently, what
are great havens for estate taxes, are extremely limited when enacted by a
non-USC. I can't remember the name of the trust, but it starts with a Q. You
know what it is, Nelson?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nelsonagn
> To: canada_twincities@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [C2T] Our green card story and a question - do you carry your
green card with you?
>
>
> No, the USC spouse is entitled to the unlimited benefit.
>
> The principle is that, for estate tax purposes, a USC will always be on the
hook, so if his foreign spouse dies first, while everything comes to him estate
tax free, he will eventually die, and pay both their share of estate tax.
>
> On the other hand, if a USC dies before his foreign spouse, the widow, not
being a citizen, could manage to avoid estate tax by relinquishing her GC, and
estate tax would be lost, so a non-USC spouse does not get the estate fully
tax-free.
>
> Note that the exemptions are still pretty high for the non-USC spouse, so
its not something to keep you awake nights. But if the estate is getting up into
the 2-3 million range (including his life insurance, btw), it might be a good
idea to get citizenship.
>
> Note also that recent expatriation rules also make it harder for a GC holder
with large net worth to avoid taxation by simply giving up GC.
>
> So a non-USC spouse could see herself paying estate tax when DH (that's Dead
Husband) kicks off, as well as not being able to avoid it when she dies -- even
if she's left the country
>
>
> --- In canada_twincities@yahoogroups.com, "Cathy" <sparksals@> wrote:
> >
> > Is it true that if the USC survives the non-USC spouse, that they are not
entitled to the unlimited surviving spouse tax benefit either?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: nelsonagn
> > To: canada_twincities@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: [C2T] Our green card story and a question - do you carry
your green card with you?
> >
> >
> > Exactly. I'm glad you found out about that lovely provision in time.
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Folks, We have finally received all our family's job based green cards after nearly 5 1/2 years. The 4 cards were delivered over a period of 3 months, with the...
Gordon Buchanan
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Sep 29, 2009
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Congrats Gordon! it can be a trying process can't it? We DO NOT carry our cards with us but have stapled the little paper envelope that they came in into the...
Fran Calder
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Sep 29, 2009
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The question comes up quite often on this "After the Green card" forum http://forums.immigration.com/forumdisplay.php?f=118 and the debate can get pretty...
nelsonagn
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I never carry my green card as it is true getting it replaced is a pain. In over 50 years here it has never been a problem. The only time I carry it is for...
Linda P Kingman
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Sep 29, 2009
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wow. 50 years. Ever think of getting citizenship?...
nelsonagn
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I did, September 11, 2008. Found out about law where if I am not US citizen and my spouse is (which he is) and he dies first, as a noncitizen, the US...
Linda P Kingman
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Sep 29, 2009
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Exactly. I'm glad you found out about that lovely provision in time....
nelsonagn
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Sep 29, 2009
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By law, you must carry it. My husband, an ICE Special Agent, gave me royal ka ka when I told him I didn't carry mine. At first I thought it was because of...
Cathy
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Sep 30, 2009
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Just so we are clear: INA Sec. 264: ... (e)"Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession...
nelsonagn
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Sep 30, 2009
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Does anyone know if there is a specific form for notifying the Attornery General of address changes? Is it available online? Also I assume this applies to...
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Yes, form AR-11. mail or submit on-line: https://egov.uscis.gov/crisgwi/go?action=coa If you have a cottage, is this a change of address? Apply the same...
nelsonagn
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Ok if we are supposed to carry our green cards, does that mean that EVERY US citizen should carry proof they are citizens? Most people don't carry their birth...
Fran Calder
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Sep 30, 2009
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That is logical, but that is not the law. There is no law that fines/imprisons USC's who don't carry proof of citizenship....
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I realize that but it's still not fair but then neither is life right? Fran caldermom1@... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please think "green"...
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From all the news stories I have seen, and any research done in this area, I have yet to find a LAW that says NON CITIZENS must have on their PERSON their...
Neil M
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Sep 30, 2009
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A couple of years ago I went to Canada and forgot to bring my green card with me to get back into the US. (I know, I know . stupid, stupid). I didn't realize...
The Kielly's
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I have a similar story. I was on vacation in FL and flew to Canada as an emergency due to a sudden death in my family. I had my CDN passport with me but not my...
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Sep 30, 2009
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Of course, entering US one would need to carry their GC, just like one would need to carry their passport when travel abroad. But are we legally obliged to...
nelsonagn
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Neil I just quoted THE LAW: INA is the The Immigration and Nationality Act, ie. the law. It says: "...shall at all times carry with him and have in his...
nelsonagn
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Is it true that if the USC survives the non-USC spouse, that they are not entitled to the unlimited surviving spouse tax benefit either? ... From: nelsonagn ...
Cathy
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No, the USC spouse is entitled to the unlimited benefit. The principle is that, for estate tax purposes, a USC will always be on the hook, so if his foreign...
nelsonagn
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Sep 30, 2009
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I have been fighting the USC thing since I became eligible. A friend of mine planted a seed that because of my husband's job and the frequency of our moves, I...
Cathy
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Sep 30, 2009
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A QDOT. The estate tax exemptions are pretty large for US citizens, so I wouldn't worry about the estate tax on Nana's nest egg -- if you become a USC. Really,...
nelsonagn
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Sep 30, 2009
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It does sound like a double standard, doesn't it, Fran? Since Nelson posted the fine for not carrying it, it really isn't a major cost. Strange that not...
Cathy
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Is there a big incidence of ICE dickwads, cathy? As to double standard, yes, citizens and LPRs have different standards in US -- and in Canada, and most other...
nelsonagn
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I'm sure there are, but my dh isn't one of them. ;) Double standard perhaps wrong choice of term. Meant that in relation to Fran's comment about BC vs. GC. ...
Cathy
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That's it - QDOT. Thanks. I know what you're saying. For me, it's a personal, internal thing. Feeling of disloyalty. However, I also think that I may just...
Cathy
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I sucked it up a year ago (after 54 year as LPR). Tax thing was main reason, that and I wanted to vote. I actually feel no differently and will always be a...
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