you are an intresting guy, tyranthater. I don't
know where you are from but you speak of California as
though you do not live here, I see. You seem to be more
informed on this matter than I, beeing onley a idealistic
17 year old. <br>It had been too long since someone
posted, it is apreciated, my friend. However, Janet Reno
was just in her actions with Elian, if a little to
dramatic and oppresive. He does not belong here, he
(Elian) belongs in his native land with his father, end
of storry. America's Cold War is over, lift the ban
and send Elian back.<br>As for Waco, that was just
odd. I think it is hystarical yet sad hearing people
today say things like he had a weapons stock-pile
(which is proboble) and he raped little kinds in his
cult (which is so clearly bullshit).<br>I ask you
this, reader, what is the big difference between a
charismatic, mis-understood leader like Koresh and another
martyred cult leader by the name of Jesus. There is
none.The bible is crap, yet to praise Jesus and condemn
his contemporary counterpart as a lunatic is
assanine. <br>Tyranthater, I do not support the Southern
Party as I find them a bunch of cultist, bible
thumbing, conservitive prics. However, strangely enough, I
do sympathise with their struggle. The Confederates
should have won that war. Slavery was and is wrong, and
the CSA would have discovered that soon enough. It
was all about "preserving the Union"-- (which was'nt
really a Union at all, was it?). Lincoln's greed killed
thosands and yet he is reveared as a great
freedom-giver.<br>Our nation is a joke. I am just glad that I do not
stand alone.<br>Look into this sight, you will find all
you need here:
<a href=http://www.3pc.net/index.html
target=new>http://www.3pc.net/index.html</a><br>(including the Alaskan S.
Party)<br>take care reader, and
especialy you, Tyranthater, my comrade.<br>take
care,<br>Brett Shanley<br>Sacramento

You can make a difference but sometimes it takes
awhile for people to realize the real tyranny you guys
are under. California is not the only state that is
attempting to seceede for the Union. Stand up my friend and
be counted and have them take the Usa flag of of
califonia buildings and fly the stars and stripes only on
federal buildings. Alaska was successful and so to other
states. There shoud be a rep. of the southern Party in
California.<br>Tyrannthater

sorry about the messd up links
there<br><br><a href=http://www.southernparty2000.org/
target=new>http://www.southernparty2000.org/</a><br><a
href=http://www.mindspring.com/~oldwhig/secesh.html
target=new>http://www.mindspring.com/~oldwhig/secesh.html</a><br><br><a
href=http://real.photopoint.com/dylanhwy61_2000%40yahoo.com/rs/thelandofthefreea\
ndthebraveyeahright.htm
target=new>http://real.photopoint.com/dylanhwy61_2000%40yahoo.com/rs/thelandofth\
efreeandthe
braveyeahright.htm</a>

Your better of looking to the confederate" ideas
that the Unconstitution ot the Yankees. Look how they
Violated and re-wrote the laws as they went on thier goon
hunt for Elian. I know this typically happens to lots
of people but for a six year old hehe Reno showed us
she hates Chiildren already in Waco texas and ruby
ridge, now Miami!<br>Can any one tell me of a website
for the Alaskan secessionist Party?<br>check out the
following
sites<br><br><a href=http://sierrtimes.com/index.htm
target=new>http://sierrtimes.com/index.htm</a><br><br>http:www.southernparty2000\
.org/<br><br>http:www.mindspring.com/~oldwhig/secesh.html<br><br>do you want
this to happen
there<br>http:rel.photopoint.com/dylanhwy61_2000%40yahoo.com/rs/thelandofthefree\
andthebraveyeahright.htm

I don't think it is such a great idea to consider
seceeding from the US without a motive or a plan. I think
an ideal motive is the fact that we have drifted
away from the ideals of the Constitution in this
country. States have little control over many of the
matters that they really should be taking care of. I
propose a constitution like the US Constitution but more
like the Articles of Confederation where each county
is a sovereign city-state but they all work together
for a common good. This way we can insure that no
state will have to suffer the same injustices the
states of this country have.

am I, a 17 year old Sacramentan the onley one who
cares of the destiny of his land? POST, WHO EVER READ
THIS. Show your support. Show your hatred. Show it, and
be proud. If we are going to be weak and lazy, than
U.S. democrassy is right for you. We can do better,
people.

We are in escensse ruled by a force that none of
us quite know. We have no say in our goverment, and
have so much potential, onley to have it neutralized
by the fedral goverment. Together, we can make a
difference!

Free California from the tyranny of Jimmy Breslin and his ilk! No scribes for
me, strictly Nipsey!

I am writing a paper on the ethical implications
of California secession. Would members please E-mail
me any articles/info on the subject. my e-mail is
Elkman98@.... It would be greatly appreciated.

I Would love to be a rep from missouri<br><br>Andy Kerr

Hello Fellow Patriots,<br><br>Well, it's been 11
days since the 1st California Congress. I'm sorry I
haven't posted what happened at this event for those of
you that missed it, I've just been very busy with
work. Here is a summary:<br><br>1. 10:11am - I woke up
very hungover.<br><br>2. 10:14am - logged in<br><br>3.
10:17am - drank a beer to clear my head for the exciting
1st Congress.<br><br>4. 10:20am - realized nobody had
shown up.<br><br>5. 10:22am - finished beer.<br><br>6.
11:19am - nobody still. Went to bed.
slept.<br><br><br><br>So in retrospect, I think i rushed the whole damned
thing too much. I guess I just got super mad as the 4th
approached, and the Americans came out with their annual
"Rah-Rah-Everything's Great" Message.<br><br>now that I've settled a
bit, would anyone be interested in trying to form
workgroups to establish official party recommendations? For
example, I think it'd be neat if an economics workgroup
could get a list together of Made in California
products for us to recommend. <br><br>If nobody's
interested in this, then please post stuff you all are
interested in! Do you realize we're in the top 20 yahoo club
political parties? We should be
communicating!<br><br>Yours,<br><br>Comrade_C_Note

The following is a loose schedule of events for
the 4th of July initial meeting of the Republic of
California 1st Congress. Please see the explanatory notes
following the schedule, so you'll be
prepared.<br><br>Schedule of events for 4 July:<br><br>10:00 - 11:00
Welcoming and rostering of Delegates and visitors.
Nomination of Congress Secretary.<br><br>11:00 - 11:30
Official registration of Delegates.<br><br>11:30 - 12:30
Division of Delegates into sub-committees.<br><br>12:30 -
13:00 Post-meeting arrangements on sub-committee
meetings and general
meetings.<br><br><br>Notes:<br><br>The first hour will be to welcome Delegates
to this
1st Congress, and to roster them, i.e. identify
County of Residence, etc. This should not take the full
hour, however, I know that it is often difficult to
show up exactly on time. &gt;&gt;&gt;this does not
mean show up at 10:55! The earlier you are, the better
prepared you will be for the rest of the
Congress&lt;&lt;&lt;. Also scheduled in this time is the Nomination of
the Congressional Secretary. This is a thankless job,
in which the elected will keep track of the rest of
the events of the day. Maybe we should create a medal
or other honor for this poor guy :)<br><br>The next
half-hour block will be official-like. We will declare
ourselves the 1st Congress of the Republic of California,
and I'll prolly give a little speech on how important
we all are. :P<br><br>The hour block following is
the crucial one. We will figure out which
sub-committees should be formed (for example, a Ministry of
Propaganda, or a Ministry of Economics, and certainly a
committee to draft a Declaration of Independence!), and
Delegates will nominate a chairperson for each
sub-committee. Delegates are then free to join any sub-committee
formed. Delegates may join more than one committee, but
please don't bite off more than you can chew! Another
thing to remember, the committees will only be making
recommendations to the general Congress (at a future date), for
voting. Example: The Declaration of Independence group
will draft a document for general review and
approval.<br><br>Finally, Chairpersons of Sub-committees will schedule
meeting times for each sub-committee. A general Congress
meeting will be scheduled to review sub-committee
findings and recommendations.<br><br><br><br>***Common
Sense Stuff to Keep in Mind***<br><br>* Be on
time.<br><br>* Log in with the same name you use in the CSP's
club page.<br><br>* Be freaking' polite. These are
fellow delegates, and visitors from international
separatist movements (I invited several parties to witness
this event, in a non-voting capacity). <br><br>* Don't
hog the conversation. <br><br>* I (Comrade_C_Note) am
the listed founder of the club. I will therefore
serve as President of this 1st Congress (Not an ego
thing. It's just that I have the ability to physically
eject any rowdies). While I personally feel booting
people is fascist, in the case of this Congress, I may
have to exercise this option (i.e. don't come in and
scream "ANY HORNY LADIES HERE?" over and
over.....<br><br>* While the CSP Club page is a fine place to debate
the merits of Secession, this Congress is designed to
actually undertake this struggle. If you're not sure if
California should be free, please do not register as a
Delegate! Sit quietly and stew in your own juices, until
common sense makes you join our cause :)<br><br>* Make
sure to let the General Secretary know your email
address, as well as the Chairperson for any committee you
are in. Also let them know ICQ and/or Yahoo Messenger
addresses.<br><br>* This will quite possibly be a loud, noisy room.
If there is something that you need to say to a
member of the Congress, and not the General Assembly,
please use private messages.<br><br>* Yes, bring your
friends! We need all the help we can get. Please, however,
bring only friends that will actually get into this and
help us.<br><br>Comrade_C_Note

Greetings fellow Californians!<br>I am re-joining
your illustrious cause. I actually just forgot that I
had joined it and got a new name rather than try to
find my old one. At any rate, I am Naval cammander of
the California Liberation Front and I admire what you
are trying to do. the truth is, only violence will
separate us from the colonial power know as the USA. It
will continue to exploit us until it becomes so
intolerable, that we must fight! Our own native leadership
constantly fails us as it tries to suck up to the
occupational socialist regime. We beg and plead for money
fronm the US, when it is just the money they stole in
the first place. I ask everyone to quietly buy arms
and munitions now, while they are still legal. Be
aware, but do not tell of your cache as you will be
turned into the gestapo! Be strong my brothers and
sisters, for one day we may be called upon to lead our
people into a new era. An era of self determination.
Viva Alta California! Live free!<br>Feel free to
e-mail me.. I do so like to talk about our wonderful
nation-state!

Fellow Patriots,<br><br>There will be a chat room
meeting here on Sunday, 4 July, at 10:00am PDT. The
purposes of this meeting are twofold; the first of which
will be to discuss immediate grass-roots activism
towards forwarding our cause.<br><br>Secondly, we plan to
nominate and elect delegates from within the CSP, with the
stated goal of establishing a Republic of California
Congress. This Congress will be the de facto National
Goverment-in-exile of our great nation. <br><br>With luck, we can
hammer out our own Declaration of Independence to
coincide with that of the United States of America's.
<br><br>I hope you all can attend this meeting, and will
invite any and all who will support our cause for this
historic meeting. <br><br>As always, the CSP welcomes
foreign (non-Californian) sympathizers to this
event.<br><br>Yours in Freedom,<br><br>Comrade_C_Note<br><br>P.S. A
schedule of events will be published tommorow, 7/2/99.
Please check here again for a basic framework for this
historic event.

We'll worry about that when we free California!

Of course, here's something else we might want to
take into consideration. Shouldn't we also do
something about California's internal problems.
Unfortunately, while being considered part of the United States,
we are usually worst in most cases.<br>When it comes
to education, crime, employment, etc., we usually
tend to be worst. We have to do something about this.
What can we do? Now we can make California a better
place once we do this.

Like Ismis said, we need someone who doesnt believe california should break
away.

Well Hey, I'm actually getting email over this
club. Let's keep the momentum going. In case you didn't
get my email today, I'm trying to see if there is a
day and time of the week good for people to meet for
chat meetings. Also, get a friend in here, members;
and visitors, sign up! There is a real chance we can
get enough people in here to have a continuing debate
on all aspects of our common goal, and that's the
whole point of this thing!

First, find something to argue about<br>Second,
Get someone in here who is opposed to Californias
Secession<br>Third, Advertise on other clubs<br>Fourth, Invite in
mass numbers<br>Fifth, Promote me (kiding)?

Well, we got a bunch of new members over the last few days. Welcome,
all!<br><br>Any ideas from anyone on how to better coordinate this site, so that
we actually &gt;talk&lt; to one another?

REE CALIFORNIA! FREE CALIFORNIA! FREE CALIFORNIA! FREE CALIFORNIA! FREE
CALIFORNIA! FREE CALIFORNIA! FREE CALIFORNIA! FREE CALIFORNIA! FREE CALIFORNIA!
FREE CALIFORNIA!

f California wishes to leave the United States
of America, then I say go ahead. I would say the
same if my home, the Great State of Maine, decided to
leave the Union. Each state I believe has that right.
We are a UNION folks! If a state wishes to leave
then they should be aloud. I believe it is in the U.S.
Constitution. A clause about if we believe the government is
unfair... or something like that. Someone correct me if I'm
wrong.<br><br>Wilford (a.k.a. COMMADORE)

oo bad it will never happen...

reetings from the great central valley of the
Republic of California.If you are not aware, The
California Liberation Front declared independence on July
4th 1998 and selected some civilian and military
officers...turn out was about 50 with about half participating in
the voting and the other half their for the barbecue,
garage bands and keg of cheap domestic beer. Is it
immoral that my favorite cheese is made in Oregon?

ow come noe messages for over a MONTH?!!

f so, what's the URL?

e had 21 people attend our meeting last week! Up
from 6 the month before, at this rate we'll have the
entire planet attending by 2015 :)<br><br>We agreed that
a membership drive is needed, and that local
chapters would be a big help. I'll work on updating the
web site to reflect this. <br><br>The October meeting
has yet to be set, but information will be sent out
as soon as it's available.<br><br>Comrade C
Note<br>comrade_c_note@...

eya! Here's a little note to let you know what's
up this week:<br><br>Up to 5 members, with over 70
invites out in the last three days. We should be getting
some more members in the next few days.<br><br>The
website is up: We expect to have the thing pretty near
complete by the end of this weekend. <br><br>Meet each
other in the chat room, that's what it's here
for!<br><br>Yours,<br><br>Comrade_C_Note

elcome to the CSP club site. I hope to have a
website up before the weekend (8/29), which will display
facts about our cause as well as allow further
discussion. Tell a friend! Right now, I think the most
important thing we can do is get people interested in our
Party! <br><br>Yours,<br><br>Comrade C
Note<br>comrade_c_note@...

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