There was an article in the Colorado Daily today which claimed "risks far
outweigh gains" when it comes to capital punishment.  I think it would be good
if we sent in letters agreeing with this opinion.  The article mistakingly
claims that the Supreme Court has looked at the electric chair as Cruel and
Unusual punishment and forced Florida to change.  It then suggests that it will
do the same in Alabama although the Court did decide not to look at it.  I was
thinking we could correct the statement and then discuss why the death penalty
is inhumane, perhaps Vicki could insert part of her article that she wrote
following the execution of Gary Davic.  The current article only looked at money
and deterrence for reasons to oppose the death penalty.  Check out the article: 
www.codaily.com/Opinion/UncommonSensePage.htm

Wendy

Death-penalty bill backed
By Julia C. Martinez
Denver Post Capitol Bureau

Feb. 17 -

  The presiding judge in a capital murder trial would have the power to impose
life or death sentences under a proposal that won support in the Colorado
House of Representatives Wednesday.

House Bill 1299, sponsored by Aurora Republican Rep. Gary McPherson, would
replace the state's three-judge panels in death-penalty cases with the trial
judge and correct what McPherson and other bill supporters say is a flaw in
the current system. The bill is expected to come up for final consideration
today and, if approved, would be sent to the Senate for consideration.

"There's been a lot of frustration with the current system. One person could
impose their will over the laws of the state," McPherson said, arguing for
his bill before the full House. The House first killed the measure, then
narrowly revived it on a 33-31 vote.

Proponents say the current system allows judges who are against capital
punishment to control the outcome and enables judges from outside the
jurisdiction where the murder occurred to participate and possibly change the
outcome.

Critics argue that bill supporters simply want more people executed.

Since the law changed in 1995, Colorado's three-judge panels have considered
the death penalty six times and imposed it twice. That's slightly more than
juries. The panel's decision must be unanimous for the death sentence to
stand. Otherwise, life in prison becomes the punishment.

In two of the cases, the panels voted unanimously against execution. But in
two cases that angered death-penalty supporters, a unanimous decision could
not be reached. Rep. Joe Stengel, R-Littleton, and other lawmakers claim the
dissenting judges might have been philosophically opposed to the death
penalty but participated anyway and intentionally tipped the scales, instead
of excusing themselves. The same has happened with juries, they said.

"People lie," Stengel said. "They have an ulterior motive. ... What they'll
do is derail the death penalty." House Minority Leader Ken Gordon, D Denver,
who wants to return to the old system of allowing jurors to decide, chastised
Stengel for his comments.

"We need to move closer to the will of the people," Gordon said.

A competing death-penalty bill up for debate in the Senate next Monday would
return the death-penalty decision to a 12-member jury. Dottie Wham, R-Denver,
sponsor of Senate Bill 28, says that since Coloradans have voted to have the
death penalty, they should decide who lives and who dies in capital cases.

But Senate President Ray Powers, the mastermind behind McPherson's onejudge
bill, says he wants the bill to die a quick death on Monday. Powers
introduced an identical bill to McPherson's in the Senate, but it was killed
earlier this month by the Senate Judiciary Committee.

As Senate president, Powers has the authority to decide in which committee
McPherson's bill lands, but he declined to say Wednesday what he would do.
"At this point, it's important that we concentrate on not passing Senate bill
28," he said.

Lawmakers who argued for a change in the law back in 1995 contended that Colo
rado juries were not imposing the death penalty often enough. They argued for
the one-judge system then, but former Gov. Roy Romer made it known he
wouldn't sign such a bill into law so they passed the three-judge system as a
compromise.

McPherson said that with a Republican governor in office, he is simply
returning to the one-judge plan that lawmakers wanted originally, in hopes
Gov. Bill Owens will sign it if it reaches his desk. Owens is a proponent of
the death penalty but has said he won't comment on the bills.

Copyright 2000 The Denver Post. All rights reserved.
This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

phil,

thank you so much for making it so easy for our CADP friends to participate
in a meaningful way in our efforts!!

vicki mandell-king
cadp president

>From: PhilTobias@...
>Reply-To: cadp@egroups.com
>To: cadp@egroups.com
>Subject: [cadp] Re: Senate Hearing-2/9/00
>Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 20:16:24 EST
>
>
>
>In a message dated 2/10/00 2:40:38 PM, vmkengage@... writes:
>
><< i also suggest that cadp friends write letters to the editors of your
>papers, commenting on  the way the voting went -- show support for those
>backing the return to jury bill.  ... indeed, anytime there is something in
>the paper related to our issue, it is worth writing about. >>
>
>   The CADP Web site (www.coadp.org) makes this easy to do. There is now a
>"Write letters to editors" link on the home page that gives you immediate
>access to almost all the newspapers in Colorado.
>   In most cases, you can just click another link to start an e-mail to the
>editor of your favorite newspaper.
>
>   How's that for easy? ...pt  ;-)
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In a message dated 2/10/00 2:40:38 PM, vmkengage@... writes:

<< i also suggest that cadp friends write letters to the editors of your
papers, commenting on  the way the voting went -- show support for those
backing the return to jury bill.  ... indeed, anytime there is something in
the paper related to our issue, it is worth writing about. >>

   The CADP Web site (www.coadp.org) makes this easy to do. There is now a
"Write letters to editors" link on the home page that gives you immediate
access to almost all the newspapers in Colorado.
   In most cases, you can just click another link to start an e-mail to the
editor of your favorite newspaper.

   How's that for easy? ...pt  ;-)

hi everyone!

thanks for the explanation nick.  isn't this great!

i also suggest that cadp friends write letters to the editors of your
papers, commenting on  the way the voting went -- show support for those
backing the return to jury bill.

indeed, anytime there is something in the paper related to our issue, it is
worth writing about.  for example, illinois governor's moratorium  on
executions, given the  number of defendants (12 in the last year?)released
from death row.


vmk

>From: Nicksaia@...
>Reply-To: cadp@egroups.com
>To: cadp@egroups.com
>Subject: [cadp] Senate Hearing-2/9/00
>Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:09:42 EST
>
>
>Dear Vicki, Wendy and Group:
>
>Senate Bill 70 (Presiding Judge to Decide) Andrews-Yes, Evans-Yes,
>Epps-Yes,
>Rupert-No, Perlmutter(sp.?)-No, Thibeaux(sp.?)-No, Arnold-No, Wham-No, The
>Guy who proposed the Senate Bill 70, whose name I can't, or care not to
>remember-Yes. Tabled in Committee 5-4.
>
>Senate Bill 28 (Return to Jury) Andrews-No, Evans-No, Epps-No, Rupert-Yes,
>Perlmutter(sp.?)-Yes, Thibeaux(sp.?)-Yes, Arnold-Yes, Wham-Yes,The guy who
>proposed Senate Bill 70-No. Passed to Senate floor for consideration. 5-4.
>
>Arnold, the chairman of the judiciary committee, really surprised me. He
>cast
>the last vote on both bills to break a sure tie. A real flair for the
>dramatic.Perlmutter(sp.?) was stand-up too. It was a really exciting day. I
>don't think my e-mail to Andrews and Evans helped. They voted like robots.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Nick
>Dominick M. Saia
>Attorney at Law
>595 Canyon Boulevard
>Boulder, Colorado 80302
>303-444-9884
>Nicksaia@...
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Dear Wendy Vicki and Group:

Forwarding the following for your information. From Maureen Cain, CCDB
Lobbyist. Sorry I had the vote slightly off in my previous e-mail. I did not
know that a committee member could not vote for his own bill. Anyway 5-4 or
whatever, we still won on both bills in Senate Committee. Maureen is right,
the testimony was great for our cause. The senators were impressed. At least
they said they were.

Thanks,

Nick
Dominick M. Saia
Attorney at Law
595 Canyon Boulevard
Boulder, Colorado  80302
303-444-9884
Nicksaia@...

Subj:         Re: We won
Date:   2/10/00 0:27:39 AM EST
From:   Cainmoya@...
Sender: CCDB@... (Colorado Criminal Defense)
Reply-to:   CCDB@... (Colorado Criminal Defense)
To: CCDB@...

To All:  SB 28 passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee on a vote of 5 to
3 - which means 2 Republicans voted with the three Democrats.  To become law,
we need the bill to pass the Senate floor and then  it would go to the House.
  The bill would probably start in House Judiciary (a good committee for us on
this issue) and then it would have to pass the House floor (much  more
difficult).  Then we would hope that Gov Owens would not veto the bill.  It
is a long road but definitely worth the effort.  The testimony today in the
Senate Judiciary was  simply outstanding in support of the jury system..  Dan
Hoffman spoke of the long history of juries in our system and the English
system of jurisprudence.  Gary Jackson spoke eloquently of the importance of
juries to all minorities in the community.  Connie Peterson spoke of her
experience as trial judge and her belief that juries were the best system
that we could have.  Bob Miller and Craig Silverman (yes, Craig Silverman)
spoke as ex-prosecutors in death cases in support  of jury decision making.
Pat Furman addressed the law in the other 49 states as well as the Colorado's
legal history on death cases.  CTLA supported the bill.  The lobbyist for the
Catholic Church spoke on behalf of the bishops' in support of the bill.  The
Senators on the committee were really quite taken with the quality of the
testimony offered.  In my opinion, the DA's were quite unprepared for this
type of discussion.  In the end, Senator Arnold, former State Patrol officer
from Adams County, voted for the bill  -referencing part of Dan Hoffman's
testimony  that he must choose the "citizens" over the "government" in
decision-making.   Thank you to all of you who made calls.  We will need you
again.  Thanks to Gene Cianco who called and talked to Senator Arnold before
the hearing.  It really helped.    Later.  MAC

To All:  SB 28 passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee on a vote of 5 to
3 - which means 2 Republicans voted with the three Democrats.  To become law,
we need the bill to pass the Senate floor and then  it would go to the House.
  The bill would probably start in House Judiciary (a good committee for us on
this issue) and then it would have to pass the House floor (much  more
difficult).  Then we would hope that Gov Owens would not veto the bill.  It
is a long road but definitely worth the effort.  The testimony today in the
Senate Judiciary was  simply outstanding in support of the jury system..  Dan
Hoffman spoke of the long history of juries in our system and the English
system of jurisprudence.  Gary Jackson spoke eloquently of the importance of
juries to all minorities in the community.  Connie Peterson spoke of her
experience as trial judge and her belief that juries were the best system
that we could have.  Bob Miller and Craig Silverman (yes, Craig Silverman)
spoke as ex-prosecutors in death cases in support  of jury decision making.
Pat Furman addressed the law in the other 49 states as well as the Colorado's
legal history on death cases.  CTLA supported the bill.  The lobbyist for the
Catholic Church spoke on behalf of the bishops' in support of the bill.  The
Senators on the committee were really quite taken with the quality of the
testimony offered.  In my opinion, the DA's were quite unprepared for this
type of discussion.  In the end, Senator Arnold, former State Patrol officer
from Adams County, voted for the bill  -referencing part of Dan Hoffman's
testimony  that he must choose the "citizens" over the "government" in
decision-making.   Thank you to all of you who made calls.  We will need you
again.  Thanks to Gene Cianco who called and talked to Senator Arnold before
the hearing.  It really helped.    Later.  MAC

Dear Vicki, Wendy and Group:

Senate Bill 70 (Presiding Judge to Decide) Andrews-Yes, Evans-Yes, Epps-Yes,
Rupert-No, Perlmutter(sp.?)-No, Thibeaux(sp.?)-No, Arnold-No, Wham-No, The
Guy who proposed the Senate Bill 70, whose name I can't, or care not to
remember-Yes. Tabled in Committee 5-4.

Senate Bill 28 (Return to Jury) Andrews-No, Evans-No, Epps-No, Rupert-Yes,
Perlmutter(sp.?)-Yes, Thibeaux(sp.?)-Yes, Arnold-Yes, Wham-Yes,The guy who
proposed Senate Bill 70-No. Passed to Senate floor for consideration. 5-4.

Arnold, the chairman of the judiciary committee, really surprised me. He cast
the last vote on both bills to break a sure tie. A real flair for the
dramatic.Perlmutter(sp.?) was stand-up too. It was a really exciting day. I
don't think my e-mail to Andrews and Evans helped. They voted like robots.

Thanks,

Nick
Dominick M. Saia
Attorney at Law
595 Canyon Boulevard
Boulder, Colorado 80302
303-444-9884
Nicksaia@...

In a message dated 2/9/00 7:57:43 PM, Wendy.Trafton@... writes:
<< I saw the beginning of the hearing but I missed the end.  Do you
know who voted for it to return to a jury? >>

   Here's the link (http://www.denverpost.com/news/leg/leg0209zz.htm) for
tonight's Denver Post story. However, neither it, nor the CO General Assembly
Web site, gives the specific vote breakdown.

   ...pt

richard,

i think you are on the e-mail list.  i will check with jd to make sure.
what is it that you don't think you are getting?  we are no longer sending
out monthly agendas and minutes, except to the board, and hope the
newsletter, mailed and on the coadp.org site, will suffice for
communication.

by the way, thank you for the  list of the organizations and addresses.
nick gave it to me at the meeting.

i asked nick why you didn't come to the meeting.  even though we are trying
to make the meetings a little more formal so we can get through our
burgeoning agendas, we welcome our cadp friends to attend and listen.  you
have been coming so frequently.

nick said you  were having some sort of surgery.  hope things went well.



vmk

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Hi there,

	 I saw the beginning of the hearing but I missed the end.  Do you
know who voted for it to return to a jury?

Wendy

nick,

i wasn't able to go to the hearing.  please take a moment to tell me why it
was so heady.  sounds like results we wanted!

vmk


>From: Nicksaia@...
>Reply-To: cadp@egroups.com
>To: cadp@egroups.com
>Subject: [cadp] Fwd: legislative update
>Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:50:11 EST
>
>Dear Group
>
>Thought I would forward this to everyone. I just got back to my offices
>from
>the Senate hearing. Pretty heady stuff.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Nick
>Dominick M. Saia
>Attorney at Law
>595 Canyon Boulevard
>Boulder, Colorado 80302
>303-444-9884
>
>In a message dated 2/9/00 7:01:46 PM EST, pacherner@... writes:
>
><< Subj:          legislative update
>  Date:  2/9/00 7:01:46 PM EST
>  From:  pacherner@... (Phil Cherner)
>  Sender:    CCDB@... (Colorado Criminal Defense)
>  Reply-to:  PACherner@...
>  To:    CCDB@...
>
>  The jury bill, sb 28, passed out of senate judiciary today and now goes
>to
>  the floor.  The senate 1-judge bill was defeated, 3-5.  the house 1-judge
>  bill is still pending on the house floor.
>  Keep those cards and letters coming.
>
>  Phil Cherner
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richard,

as far as i knew, you are on our e-mail list.  what is it that you think you
have not been getting?

we are no longer mailing out or e-mailing agendas and minutes, except to the
board.  but the agenda can be found at coadp.org.  we are hoping that our
quarterly newsletter, mailed out, and available at the web site, will be
sufficient to keep up communication.

thanks for the names/addresses of the 50 organizations.  nick gave them to
me at the meeting. i'll forward those to jd, and also try to add those to
the speakers bureau list, though we are minus our secretary at this point.

nick said you were having some sort of surgery.  hope it went well.

even though we are trying to make our meetings a bit more formal (run like
other boards) so we can get through our burgeoning agendas, we welcome our
cadp friends and visitors.

vmk
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Dear Group

Thought I would forward this to everyone. I just got back to my offices from
the Senate hearing. Pretty heady stuff.

Thanks,

Nick
Dominick M. Saia
Attorney at Law
595 Canyon Boulevard
Boulder, Colorado 80302
303-444-9884

In a message dated 2/9/00 7:01:46 PM EST, pacherner@... writes:

<< Subj:          legislative update
  Date:  2/9/00 7:01:46 PM EST
  From:  pacherner@... (Phil Cherner)
  Sender:    CCDB@... (Colorado Criminal Defense)
  Reply-to:  PACherner@...
  To:    CCDB@...

  The jury bill, sb 28, passed out of senate judiciary today and now goes to
  the floor.  The senate 1-judge bill was defeated, 3-5.  the house 1-judge
  bill is still pending on the house floor.
  Keep those cards and letters coming.

  Phil Cherner
  303-860-7686
  mailto:PACherner@...


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   >>

The jury bill, sb 28, passed out of senate judiciary today and now goes to
the floor.  The senate 1-judge bill was defeated, 3-5.  the house 1-judge
bill is still pending on the house floor.
Keep those cards and letters coming.

Phil Cherner
303-860-7686
mailto:PACherner@...

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> SB 28, Senator Wham’s bill to return death penalty sentencing to
>juries, is scheduled for Senate Judiciary Committee for Wednesday, February
9, at
>1:30 p.m.  SB 60, Ray Powers’ bill to have single judge sentencing, is set at
>the same time.

>AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE CALL, E-MAIL or FAX the following Senate
>Judiciary members and ask that each support Senator Wham’s bill, SB 28.

>Senator John Andrews (Rep.) - Englewood
>Andrewsik@... <mailto:Andrewsik@...>
>FAX (303) 866-2012
>Cap - (303) 866-4883
>Res (303) 770-8215

   Please note that the above e-mail address for Senator Andrews is incorrect.
As another AOL user, I got an immediate "no such member" error message when
trying to send him my e-mail.
   Checking the Senator's Web page, I see that his e-mail is listed as:
Andrewsjk@...

   Hope this helps. ...pt

wendy,

thanks for putting out the info from phil cherner and maureen cain.  they
have put so much effort into this campaign on behalf of the criminal defense
bar and for the citizens of this state!!

vmk


>From: Trafton Wendy Ellen <Wendy.Trafton@...>
>Reply-To: cadp@egroups.com
>To: cadp@egroups.com
>Subject: [cadp] Call to Arms (fwd)
>Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:25:33 -0700 (MST)
>
>
>Here's information on the Senate Judiciary Committee and a request from
>Phil Cherner to contact them and how best to do that.
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:44:39 -0800
>From: Christie M Donner <cdonner2@...>
>To: Wendy.Trafton@...
>Subject: Fw: Fw:      Call to Arms
>
>
>
>--------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: "Jeri Shepherd" <jeri@...>
>To: <eschmidt@...>
>Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:47:26 -0700
>Subject: Fw:      Call to Arms
>Message-ID: <009e01bf6ed6$4cdbe780$704457d8@...>
>
>Please do what you can on this issue...thanks
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Phil Cherner <pacherner@...>
>To: CCDB@... <CCDB@...>
>Date: Thursday, February 03, 2000 4:56 PM
>Subject: Call to Arms
>
>
> >TO ALL, from Phil and Maureen.  The time is now.
> >
> > SB 28, Senator Wham’s bill to return death penalty sentencing to
>juries,
>is
> >scheduled for Senate Judiciary Committee for Wednesday, February 9, at
>1:30
> >p.m.  SB 60, Ray Powers’ bill to have single judge sentencing, is set at
>the
> >same time.
> >
> >AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE CALL, E-MAIL or FAX the following Senate
> >Judiciary members and ask that each support Senator Wham’s bill, SB 28.
>We
> >support this bill because it respects the concept that the juries are
>the
> >true conscience of the community.
> >
> >If one of these legislators is from your district, please indicate that
>you
> >are a constituent in your correspondence.  We are more hopeful that
>Senator
> >Evans and Senator Andrews might support the bill so prioritize them in
>your
> >contact efforts.  Also, please do not call Senator Mary Epps unless you
>are
> >in her district.
> >
> >Please encourage friends and family to similarly contact the
>legislature.
> >
> >Senator John Andrews (Rep.) - Englewood
> >Andrewsik@... <mailto:Andrewsik@...>
> >FAX (303) 866-2012
> >Cap - (303) 866-4883
> >Res (303) 770-8215
> >
> >Senator John Evans (Rep.) - Douglas
> >Evansjo@... <mailto:Evansjo@...>
> >FAX (303) 866-2012
> >Cap (303) 866-4881
> >Res - (303) 840-0252
> >
> >Senator Mary Ellen Epps (Rep.) - El Paso
> >FAX (303) 866-2012
> >Cap  (303) 866-6364
> >Res (719) 228-0290
> >
> >Senator Ken Arnold (Rep.) Adams
> >Karnold@... <mailto:Karnold@...>
> >FAX (303) 439-7987
> >Cap (303)866-4876
> >Res (303)466-2666
> >
> >Phil Cherner
> >303-860-7686
> >mailto:PACherner@...
>
>
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cadp has not taken an official position on the bills, because the general
consensus was that voicing opposition to the death penalty as a reason to
support returning the penalty phase decision to the jury could be,  shall we
say, counter productive.

as an aside, generally, i'd say most folks think that there will be fewer
death verdicts with jury sentencing.  however, in our year of 3 judge panel
sentencing, although 2 death sentences are too many, still the majority of
the cases went life imprisonment. but, generally most folks think this trend
won't last given the political pressure on judges.

there are good reasons, other than opposition to the death penalty, to
oppose ray powers' bill for one judge sentencing, and to seek return to jury
capital sentencing.  these reasons include the political pressure on judges,
and the need for community members to assess the aggravating factors of
these crimes and the mitigation pertaining to the defendants.  most states
have jury capital sentencing though it is not  unconstitutional federally
for judges to sentence in capital cases.

i am glad there is information so that cadp friends may call their
legislators about this, and i encourage them to do so.  i suggest the calls
be made in their capacities as individuals, not as cadp friends, and  they
should say what they wish to say on the  matter at hand.

vicki mandell-king, president CADP

>From: PhilTobias@...
>Reply-To: cadp@egroups.com
>To: cadp@egroups.com
>Subject: [cadp] Re: judges to jury
>Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 14:53:07 EST
>
>
>In a message dated 2/3/00, 7:16:59 AM, cadp@egroups.com writes:
><<I was wondering if anyone had facts or figures about the benefits
>of CO going back to a jury from the three panel judge. ...  In case you all
>don't know, the Senate hearing for this bill will be next Wednesday,
>supposedly in the pm.>>
>
>  Though Wendy already knows this, the CADP Web site's (www.coadp.org)
>first
>news brief now has an excerpt and link to a recent newspaper editorial on
>this subject. It provides some background information on this issue.
>   Below that are links to CO legislature information. These links include
>legislative schedules, as well as complete directories of legislators. For
>example, you can find out committee assignments, or find your legislators
>by
>district or name.
>   That makes contact information -- including phone, mail, or e-mail
>addresses -- readily available for those who want to take action.
>   By the way, does CADP have a position on the particular bill being
>discussed?
>
>   Regards. ...pt
>
>
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Here's information on the Senate Judiciary Committee and a request from
Phil Cherner to contact them and how best to do that.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:44:39 -0800
From: Christie M Donner <cdonner2@...>
To: Wendy.Trafton@...
Subject: Fw: Fw:      Call to Arms



--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Jeri Shepherd" <jeri@...>
To: <eschmidt@...>
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:47:26 -0700
Subject: Fw:      Call to Arms
Message-ID: <009e01bf6ed6$4cdbe780$704457d8@...>

Please do what you can on this issue...thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Cherner <pacherner@...>
To: CCDB@... <CCDB@...>
Date: Thursday, February 03, 2000 4:56 PM
Subject: Call to Arms


>TO ALL, from Phil and Maureen.  The time is now.
>
> SB 28, Senator Wham’s bill to return death penalty sentencing to
juries,
is
>scheduled for Senate Judiciary Committee for Wednesday, February 9, at
1:30
>p.m.  SB 60, Ray Powers’ bill to have single judge sentencing, is set at
the
>same time.
>
>AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE CALL, E-MAIL or FAX the following Senate
>Judiciary members and ask that each support Senator Wham’s bill, SB 28.
We
>support this bill because it respects the concept that the juries are
the
>true conscience of the community.
>
>If one of these legislators is from your district, please indicate that
you
>are a constituent in your correspondence.  We are more hopeful that
Senator
>Evans and Senator Andrews might support the bill so prioritize them in
your
>contact efforts.  Also, please do not call Senator Mary Epps unless you
are
>in her district.
>
>Please encourage friends and family to similarly contact the
legislature.
>
>Senator John Andrews (Rep.) - Englewood
>Andrewsik@... <mailto:Andrewsik@...>
>FAX (303) 866-2012
>Cap - (303) 866-4883
>Res (303) 770-8215
>
>Senator John Evans (Rep.) - Douglas
>Evansjo@... <mailto:Evansjo@...>
>FAX (303) 866-2012
>Cap (303) 866-4881
>Res - (303) 840-0252
>
>Senator Mary Ellen Epps (Rep.) - El Paso
>FAX (303) 866-2012
>Cap  (303) 866-6364
>Res (719) 228-0290
>
>Senator Ken Arnold (Rep.) Adams
>Karnold@... <mailto:Karnold@...>
>FAX (303) 439-7987
>Cap (303)866-4876
>Res (303)466-2666
>
>Phil Cherner
>303-860-7686
>mailto:PACherner@...


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Well, we better have a position that it needs to be returned to the jurors
and not to just the trial judge.  See Illinois' moratorium on death
sentences because of the unreliability.  One legislator has said that we
need the one judge because it is not fair that one judge who would not want
to go along with the death train (in the panel forum) could stop it from
happening.  But, why then should one judge get to make the decision about
death under Power's bill?  Answer:  Because one judge will always buckle and
get voted out.

I'm proud to be an American.  Free Hurricane!  Oops, I am losing it.  He got
off after 20 years.  Ain't he lucky?
-----Original Message-----
From: PhilTobias@... [mailto:PhilTobias@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 12:53 PM
To: cadp@egroups.com
Subject: [cadp] Re: judges to jury

In a message dated 2/3/00, 7:16:59 AM, cadp@egroups.com writes:
<<I was wondering if anyone had facts or figures about the benefits
of CO going back to a jury from the three panel judge. ...  In case you all
don't know, the Senate hearing for this bill will be next Wednesday,
supposedly in the pm.>>

  Though Wendy already knows this, the CADP Web site's (www.coadp.org) first
news brief now has an excerpt and link to a recent newspaper editorial on
this subject. It provides some background information on this issue.
   Below that are links to CO legislature information. These links include
legislative schedules, as well as complete directories of legislators. For
example, you can find out committee assignments, or find your legislators by
district or name.
   That makes contact information -- including phone, mail, or e-mail
addresses -- readily available for those who want to take action.
   By the way, does CADP have a position on the particular bill being
discussed?

   Regards. ...pt



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In a message dated 2/3/00, 7:16:59 AM, cadp@egroups.com writes:
<<I was wondering if anyone had facts or figures about the benefits
of CO going back to a jury from the three panel judge. ...  In case you all
don't know, the Senate hearing for this bill will be next Wednesday,
supposedly in the pm.>>

  Though Wendy already knows this, the CADP Web site's (www.coadp.org) first
news brief now has an excerpt and link to a recent newspaper editorial on
this subject. It provides some background information on this issue.
   Below that are links to CO legislature information. These links include
legislative schedules, as well as complete directories of legislators. For
example, you can find out committee assignments, or find your legislators by
district or name.
   That makes contact information -- including phone, mail, or e-mail
addresses -- readily available for those who want to take action.
   By the way, does CADP have a position on the particular bill being
discussed?

   Regards. ...pt

Wendy:

I agree with Doug Wilson. With reference to sheer numbers, you have twelve
shots at saving someone at sentencing with the jury instead of three. A more
compassionate and human system. Too much political pressure on the judges to
choose death. Wait until you might have the three judge system in place for a
few more years. OR JUST THE TRIAL JUDGE (GULP!!!). The pressure on judges
will become overwhelming. Even though you have some decent results from the
three judge panel thus far, the pressure has not been turned way up on the
judges yet. And just look at all those fresh out of D.A.'s school the
Governor is picking as judges.

Just a couple of more thoughts.

Nick
Dominick M. Saia
Nicksaia@...
595 Canyon Boulevard
Boulder, Colorado  80302
303-444-9884

1. returns the power and decision making to the people of the state where it
should auways be placed.

2. takes some of the politics out of the system.  As it stands now, the
judges that vote for life are under heavy attack from the politicians at
retention time.  For instance, the Gazette in Springs and ray powers want
the voters to turn out the judges that "did not go along with"  the death
vote.

Just some thoughts
Doug Wilson



-----Original Message-----
From: Trafton Wendy Ellen [mailto:Wendy.Trafton@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 7:40 AM
To: cadp@egroups.com
Subject: [cadp] judges to jury

Hi everyone,

	 I was wondering if anyone had facts or figures about the benefits
of CO going back to a jury from the three panel judge.  People have been
asking me about it and I realized I am truly clueless.  In case you all
don't know, the Senate hearing for this bill will be next Wednesday,
supposedly in the pm.

Thanks,
Wendy


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Hi everyone,

	 I was wondering if anyone had facts or figures about the benefits
of CO going back to a jury from the three panel judge.  People have been
asking me about it and I realized I am truly clueless.  In case you all
don't know, the Senate hearing for this bill will be next Wednesday,
supposedly in the pm.

Thanks,
Wendy

In response to Phil Tobias' query regarding a URL for the specific Death
Penalty Poll, the People's Poll site has a search button which will take you
there. All URLs lead to the main page. Good Luck.-J

In a message dated 1/28/00 6:22:33 AM, Johnemelin@... writes:

<< You need to noodle around a bit on the site to find the poll. Good luck. >>

   Is there a URL that goes direct to the poll you mentioned? Perhaps you
could include it in a reply?

   Thanks. ...pt

You need to noodle around a bit on the site to find the poll. Good luck.

NACDL members are encouraged to participate in an
on-line poll sponsored by People Magazine that examines
the death penalty and Benetton's new communications
campaign.  NACDL played a role in the campaign and we
need to support Benetton's efforts.  The poll is very short

and simply asks if you agree or disagree with certain
statements.  Log on to www.peoples-poll.com and make
your voice heard!

phil,

thanks for sending info about the meeting.  we try to end at 7:15.  at the
next meeting, we are going to discuss when we should have just the board and
council.  but so far, it's been good to keep up interest to have interested
persons come to the meetings.

vmk


>From: philtobias@...
>Reply-To: cadp@egroups.com
>To: cadp@eGroups.com
>Subject: [cadp] Re: board meeting
>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:12:00 -0800
>
> > Hi all, here's an event that you may be interested in.
> >
> > Event: board meeting
> > Date: Mon Jan 03, 2000
> > Time: 5:30 pm - 7:30 pm
> > Description: CADP board meeting at lucia's coffee shop on 33rd and
>tejon
>
>   Thanks. I added that meeting to the Web site's Calendar section.
>
>   ...pt
>
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> Hi all, here's an event that you may be interested in.
>
> Event: board meeting
> Date: Mon Jan 03, 2000
> Time: 5:30 pm - 7:30 pm
> Description: CADP board meeting at lucia's coffee shop on 33rd and
tejon

   Thanks. I added that meeting to the Web site's Calendar section.

   ...pt

Hi all, here's an event that you may be interested in.

Event: board meeting
Date: Mon Jan 03, 2000
Time: 5:30 pm - 7:30 pm
Description: CADP board meeting at lucia's coffee shop on 33rd and tejon

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