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Re: RE: [brahmoconference] Great thoughts

Dear All ,
I hold no brief for Mr. Debanjan Ray as he is competent enough to defend himself . However having followed the mails pertaining to this issue since yesterday , I think our responses to Hitler's quote in an innocent mail has been way over the top .

Hitler by his despicable policies rightly deserves his place in the dustbin of history . But don't we sometimes need to sup with the devil if need be & give the devil it's due when it is justified ? Can't we take lessons in warfare from a great general  ? Let's view Hitler's comment quoted in the said mail in it's proper perspective . It's nothing but the modern management mantra of perform or perish / deliver or disappear . A statement I think even the other Peter , the guru of modern management - Peter F. Drucker would endorse .Hitler was just talking about the importance of efficiency & in particular - EFFECTIVENESS . The world only celebrates a winner & there are no prizes for the second best . No one likes a loser . I am sure our Peter(Peter Schogol) would understand . This is reality .

I don't think Mr. Ray need be so apologetic . No disrespect intended to others - I feel he is drawing needless flak . Let's try to just see & understand the content of the message & forget whom it came from . 
Biswajit Dutta

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:23 PM, malavika nagarkar <malavika_n@...> wrote:

 
I have avoided responding to most of the discussions so far for fear of raising a hornet's nest. But this time I do want to put forth my response.

I completely endorse what Peter  has said. In fact, I, too, was aghast to see Hitler's name in that list. A man who used the demoralised state of the people of his nation to cause hate and such a collosal tragedy has no place in any civilized and God-fearing society. If any mention is made of the man or the atrocities he initiated, it should be only as a stern reminder to all mankind of what damage and destruction one man can do when war has ravaged the social, political and economic fibre of a society. Secondly, that particular quotation has an ominous threat in it.

Today, more than at any other time, there is a need to make people realise the need for a stable society, and I , as a Brahmo, believe that our sermons, our very lives and our writings can carry this message to the people. 

I pray that peace and goodwill reign in this world at all times.

Regards
Malavika Nagarkar





On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 Ray,Debanjan  IN BLR SISL wrote :
>Yes. I agree too that thoughts have come from some people who may be
>famous, but not really great.
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>Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:22 AM
>To: brahmoconference@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [brahmoconference] Great thoughts
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>I'm sorry;  I personally cannot accept "great thoughts" which include
>Adolf Hitler along with Mother Teresa.  As one who lost a very large
>part of his family to Hitler's war machine and insane ideology, I found
>this post offensive.
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>Peter Schogol
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Pl. see below. Regards, - Debanjan Ray <http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/friends4evers> <http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/friends4evers> ...
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I'm sorry; I personally cannot accept "great thoughts" which include Adolf Hitler along with Mother Teresa. As one who lost a very large part of his family...
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Yes. I agree too that thoughts have come from some people who may be famous, but not really great. Regards, - Debanjan Ray ________________________________ ...
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 You are so right. Gautam ... You are so right. Gautam...
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Thank you. Great thoughts but not neccessarily by great people. Gautam  ... Thank you. Great thoughts but not neccessarily by great people. Gautam ...
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Sep 10, 2008
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Wonderful teachings from thoughts of great people. Surojit Roy....
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  I have avoided responding to most of the discussions so far for fear of raising a hornet's nest. But this time I do want to put forth my response. I...
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Dear Malavika Nagarkar, I agree with you. I am sorry not to edit the content before forwarding to this group. I too have the same feeling about Hitler....
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Dear All , I hold no brief for Mr. Debanjan Ray as he is competent enough to defend himself . However having followed the mails pertaining to this issue since ...
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  Dear Mr. Ray, It was not my intention to make you apologise at all. I understand that you took the entire clipping and sent it to us. I only wrote what I...
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Dear Malavika and other friends, A short while before reading your email, I was reading an article in today's Times of India. It was titled "LEARNING LESSONS...
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Dear friends, I have followed the discussions and well understand the shock of seeing Adolf Hitler included amongst others in the list - my initial reaction...
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 SAME FEELINGS. Gautam Raye ... SAME FEELINGS. Gautam Raye...
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  I had decided not to say any more, but am forced to make my point clear. There is NO objection to reading the views of all - whether we agree with them or...
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Dear All , Mr. Ray's mail was captioned "Great Thoughts" & not "Great Personalities " . Those were inspirational/motivational/self developmental thoughts &...
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