I would like a reading list on Irish History. I'm interested in anything about
the Kilkenny area, the Ely Carroll too.

I have a few books already, I'm looking for your favorite.

My husband picked up "The Feckin' Book of Irish History at Barnes and Noble for
$8.00. It is a very general overview but FUNNY! I give it a thumbs up for a
beginner guide to Irish history.

I'm also interested in understanding more about the development of surnames.
Does anyone know of a book that would guide me along those lines?

TIA

If you use these services, consider jumping over and helping me kick start them!
I'm excited about expanding the avenues for others researching our names to find
us...

Facebook

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bowes-and-variants-Surname-Study-and-DNA-Project/2\
06495142707439?sk=wall

Twitter

http://twitter.com/#!/BowesSurnames

Martha

Oops, correct Twitter link...

http://twitter.com/BowesSurnames

--- In bowesgenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "mhbowes11" <mhbowes11@...> wrote:
>
> If you use these services, consider jumping over and helping me kick start
them! I'm excited about expanding the avenues for others researching our names
to find us...
>
> Facebook
>
>
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bowes-and-variants-Surname-Study-and-DNA-Project/2\
06495142707439?sk=wall
>
> Twitter
>
> http://twitter.com/#!/BowesSurnames
>
> Martha
>

Searching for any information on the family of Cecil F Bowes originally from the
North of England Any information would be appreciated

Hi, I'm not familiar with your specific family, but you gave me an idea to help
those who come to this group looking for connections but don't find one yet.

I started a document to collect links to websites where we can follow mailing
lists, researchers, websites and family trees of others with our surname(s). I
just started it this morning and I'm sure I am missing a lot of resources. I
don't intend so much to re-create Cyndi's massive list of online genealogy
resources but to try to target web discussions specifically related to our
name(s).

Feel free to add links you know about to the document. I'm sure others here can
think of some sources offhand that I'm not.

http://bit.ly/eW5x23

Martha Bowes

--- In bowesgenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "ceccb" <ceccb@...> wrote:
>
> Searching for any information on the family of Cecil F Bowes originally from
the North of England Any information would be appreciated
>

I was at the local university library yesterday and discovered two long aisles
of books about Irish history, and that's in the middle of the desert! Five hours
later I emerged back into daylight under intense pressure from my stomach.

One of my favorite things to do besides prowling libraries is to go to used
bookstores. I often take a peek at the standard Barnes & Noble or Borders, but I
have found more unusual options at used bookstores. I always stand there and
search the internet on my phone for reviews before buying anything. Often, since
I'm not that knowledgeable about the offerings, a book will look just fine to me
but I will decide against buying it based on the reviews.

Unfortunately most of my books are boxed up right now. I'm not sure I have a
favorite except that one I can't think of the name of right now has a ton of
maps relating to various aspects of Irish history.

There is a nine volume set that is relatively new and considered more or less
the "gold standard" as an Irish history reference, incorporating modern research
by expert scholars on the subjects they cover within the set. Unfortunately it
is quite expensive. You can find it in libraries or at Amazon.

It's called A New History of Ireland: "A New History of Ireland is the largest
scholarly project in modern Irish history. In 9 volumes, it provides a
comprehensive new synthesis of modern scholarship on every aspect of Irish
history and prehistory, from the earliest geological and archaeological
evidence, through the Middle Ages, down to the present day."

I'm starting to think that rather than throw a little bit of money at a lot of
Irish history books over the years, I should probably just buy one huge volume
at a time of this set.

Hope this helps, Martha

--- In bowesgenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jeane Robinson" <jbowes110@...> wrote:
>
> I would like a reading list on Irish History. I'm interested in anything about
the Kilkenny area, the Ely Carroll too.
>
> I have a few books already, I'm looking for your favorite.
>
> My husband picked up "The Feckin' Book of Irish History at Barnes and Noble
for $8.00. It is a very general overview but FUNNY! I give it a thumbs up for a
beginner guide to Irish history.
>
> I'm also interested in understanding more about the development of surnames.
Does anyone know of a book that would guide me along those lines?
>
> TIA
>

Is your genealogical finding credible? Is that your ancestor or a red herring?
You can keep GPS, the Genealogical Proof Standard, handy to help you decide:
http://tinyurl.com/2ux8b.

http://www.findmypast.co.uk/media/news/news-item.jsp?doc=FMPIE.html

Also Ireland's pension records from 1841 and 1851...

http://www.ireland-genealogy.com/

Martha

Note the Griffiths Valuation can be obtained free here:
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml

but parish records look cheaper at Findmypast Ireland than at RootsIreland
https://rootsireland.ie/ifhf/login.php


--- In bowesgenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "mhbowes11" <mhbowes11@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.findmypast.co.uk/media/news/news-item.jsp?doc=FMPIE.html
>
> Also Ireland's pension records from 1841 and 1851...
>
> http://www.ireland-genealogy.com/
>
> Martha
>

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bowes-and-variants-Surname-Study-and-DNA-Project/2\
06495142707439?sk=wall

Let's upload photos of our ***early*** Bowes (and variants) ancestors to the
Facebook page!

Upload photos of male Bowes (and variants), their wives and daughters only.
(Please do not upload photos of related families.)

I've never tried this. See if the following guidelines work and comment back…

1. Click the Photo option where a status is posted.

2. When presented with options, please "Create an Album" for your family even if
you only have one photo to upload.

3. Name your album in all caps (the reason will become clear when viewing
photos).

4. Name your album something like this "BOWE/S FROM KILKENNY, IRELAND TO
ONONDAGA, NEW YORK".

5. Add information about the person by each photo, and if you wish a way to
contact you and/or a web address for more information.

Have fun!

I just returned from a trip to Southern Ireland. I was doing research on my own
Bowe/s line, Michael Bowe married 1832 in Coan, Co. Kilkenny. I also met with 11
Bowe/s and encouraged people to have their DNA tested and collected their
ancestors paper trails for our Surname project. My Bowe/s line descends from the
Litter Luna Carroll's so I also did some research on the Ely Carroll which I
will post on the Ely Carroll board.

I had the good fortune of speaking with 4 historians and folklorists while
traveling around. Much of what I was told I believe should be seen as starting
points for further research. Perhaps the most interesting is that the Bowe in
Kilkenny were originally Hereitary musicians and entertainers. They would have
farmed a small piece of land but would have been paid in goods for their
services. Two Bowe brothers left Co. Kilkenny to join the Barnum and Bailey
Circus in the USA.

I met with 11 Bowe/s during our visit, each of their family stories were
interesting and the people were all warm and friendly.

The Bowe family seems to me to be found in greater numbers in the area of
Counties, Kilkenny, Laois (pronounced leash)and Offaly. It will be great when we
can get people tested from the counties that surround that area to see if the
Bowe/s just migrated there over time.

Hi Jeane,

Great to hear of your trip to Eire and the kindness of folks there, as always
hospitable and generous.

As a Bowe/Bowes/Bow (all variants in our family records) myself with roots in
Tipperary and prior to that I believe Cork, I was interested to note your idea
of the Bowe's 'migrating' from one source area. Hope you will not mind me
observing that such a model should be given very careful thought, as 'Bowe' and
its variants has strong associations too with Cork and Tipperary, and to my my
knowledge such groupings, certainly my own have no connection with Laios or the
Carrol family.

You are lucky to be able to identify with such certainty the line of your folks
to a specific family and location, as other Bowe's such as myself get back to
the 18th Century and a fog of speculation then descends.

--- In bowesgenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jeane Robinson" <jbowes110@...> wrote:
>
> I just returned from a trip to Southern Ireland. I was doing research on my
own Bowe/s line, Michael Bowe married 1832 in Coan, Co. Kilkenny. I also met
with 11 Bowe/s and encouraged people to have their DNA tested and collected
their ancestors paper trails for our Surname project. My Bowe/s line descends
from the Litter Luna Carroll's so I also did some research on the Ely Carroll
which I will post on the Ely Carroll board.
>
> I had the good fortune of speaking with 4 historians and folklorists while
traveling around. Much of what I was told I believe should be seen as starting
points for further research. Perhaps the most interesting is that the Bowe in
Kilkenny were originally Hereitary musicians and entertainers. They would have
farmed a small piece of land but would have been paid in goods for their
services. Two Bowe brothers left Co. Kilkenny to join the Barnum and Bailey
Circus in the USA.
>
> I met with 11 Bowe/s during our visit, each of their family stories were
interesting and the people were all warm and friendly.
>
> The Bowe family seems to me to be found in greater numbers in the area of
Counties, Kilkenny, Laois (pronounced leash)and Offaly. It will be great when we
can get people tested from the counties that surround that area to see if the
Bowe/s just migrated there over time.
>

This webpage helps flesh out this notion of musicians and entertainers in 15th C
Ireland, which it sounds like from Jeane's research may have included Irish
Bowe/s ancestors:

http://www.libraryireland.com/IrishMusic/IX.php



--- In bowesgenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jeane Robinson" <jbowes110@...> wrote:
>
>
> I had the good fortune of speaking with 4 historians and folklorists while
traveling around. Much of what I was told I believe should be seen as starting
points for further research. Perhaps the most interesting is that the Bowe in
Kilkenny were originally Hereitary musicians and entertainers. They would have
farmed a small piece of land but would have been paid in goods for their
services. Two Bowe brothers left Co. Kilkenny to join the Barnum and Bailey
Circus in the USA.

Last night I found my box of Irish books from the last move and cracked it open.
The one with maps of periods from Irish history is called The MacMillan Atlas of
Irish History by Sean Duffy.

http://www.amazon.com/Macmillan-Atlas-Irish-History/product-reviews/0028620119/r\
ef=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Martha

--- In bowesgenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "mhbowes11" <mhbowes11@...> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately most of my books are boxed up right now. I'm not sure I have a
favorite except that one I can't think of the name of right now has a ton of
maps relating to various aspects of Irish history.

Some clarification here…

Jeane's subgroup in the DNA project matches in its Y-chromosome the modal for
Ely Carroll, the ancient region and cluster of septs ruled by the O"Carrolls.
This region covered Offaly and Northern Tipperary, and parts of Laois at various
times. They match a documented modern descendent of the Litter Luna Carroll
branch, but most likely also match the other Carroll branches from the area.
It's just that we don't have a modern descendent of the other branches in the
database to compare with.

Another interesting thing is how we can now use autosomal DNA by ordering the
Family Finder test through FTDNA. My own Bowe subgroup has a different
Y-chromosome result from Jeane's subgroup, but three Bowe matches in my subgroup
are from northern Kilkenny and Tipperary and overlap the Ely Carroll subgroup.
So Jeane and my father both took the Family Finder autosomal test, and even
though autosomal DNA can dilute quickly with each generation, she and I did in
fact show matching segments which would be from before 1800 (because our paper
trails don't connect after that time). The only surname we know of that we have
in common is Bowe. Using autosomal DNA established that her Ely Carroll subgroup
and my subgroup in fact share the same history even though our Y chromosomes are
different. Since my subgroup matches a Pearse from Devon, England, there most
likely was a non-paternal event where a Pearse conceived a son with one of the
Ely Carroll Bowe women, and that son would have been raised as a Bowe and took
the name.

While autosomal matching is not guaranteed to preserve a connection from as far
back in time as the Y chromosome, when it does it can be a useful tool for us to
discern which of our Irish Bowe/s lineages actually represent a non-paternal
event with the Ely Carroll subgroup. Our three participants from Ireland who
don't have matches at this time have paper trails to Laois, Tipperary and
Kilkenny, all areas where the Ely Carroll Bowe have a clear history in documents
and DNA. It would be a good idea to take part in the autosomal testing and look
for matching segments with other Bowe that way, alongside use of the Y
chromosome. It could be that these three without matches belong to the Ely
Carroll Bowe subgroup, in their autosomal history, but had a non-paternal event
along the Y chromosome similar to my subgroup. It becomes important to try to
rule this in or out and not just rely on the Y chromosome since non-paternal
events were not uncommon.

Further, all we have established is that Jeane's subgroup matches Ely Carroll
with the Y chromosome. This leaves open the possibility that her subgroup, and
my father's that matches hers autosomally, actually have earlier history from
Cork or some other area than Ely Carroll. The Ely Carroll Y-chromosome could
itself be a non-paternal event in a Bowe group from elsewhere.

We still don't have any DNA or documentary proof to substantiate the Irish
surname history account of our surname in Ireland originating in Cork among the
Corca Laodhe. One participant from Ireland has a unique haplotype that might be
traced to the Corca Laodhe based on subclade studies (maybe he will share his
research with us ;-), but we need to see genetic matches using the Y chromosome
and/or autosomal chromosomes with others whose surname are also associated with
the Corca Laodhe to hone in on a tribal modal from there, just as we've been
able to do with Ely Carroll and other regional groups from Ireland. So far we
haven't found matches with Corca Laodhe surnames.

In addition to working to get more participants from Ireland in the project, the
more of our current participants who take the Family Finder test the better, so
we can build up our autosomal database within the project and have more chances
for finding matching segments that connect Bowe subgroups that differ on the Y
chromosome. Nice thing about that test is you can also study your other
ancestral lines using it.

Martha


--- In bowesgenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "bowes2000" <bowes2000@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jeane,
>
> Great to hear of your trip to Eire and the kindness of folks there, as always
hospitable and generous.
>
> As a Bowe/Bowes/Bow (all variants in our family records) myself with roots in
Tipperary and prior to that I believe Cork, I was interested to note your idea
of the Bowe's 'migrating' from one source area. Hope you will not mind me
observing that such a model should be given very careful thought, as 'Bowe' and
its variants has strong associations too with Cork and Tipperary, and to my my
knowledge such groupings, certainly my own have no connection with Laios or the
Carrol family.
>
> You are lucky to be able to identify with such certainty the line of your
folks to a specific family and location, as other Bowe's such as myself get back
to the 18th Century and a fog of speculation then descends.
>
> --- In bowesgenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jeane Robinson" <jbowes110@> wrote:
> >
> > I just returned from a trip to Southern Ireland. I was doing research on my
own Bowe/s line, Michael Bowe married 1832 in Coan, Co. Kilkenny. I also met
with 11 Bowe/s and encouraged people to have their DNA tested and collected
their ancestors paper trails for our Surname project. My Bowe/s line descends
from the Litter Luna Carroll's so I also did some research on the Ely Carroll
which I will post on the Ely Carroll board.
> >
> > I had the good fortune of speaking with 4 historians and folklorists while
traveling around. Much of what I was told I believe should be seen as starting
points for further research. Perhaps the most interesting is that the Bowe in
Kilkenny were originally Hereitary musicians and entertainers. They would have
farmed a small piece of land but would have been paid in goods for their
services. Two Bowe brothers left Co. Kilkenny to join the Barnum and Bailey
Circus in the USA.
> >
> > I met with 11 Bowe/s during our visit, each of their family stories were
interesting and the people were all warm and friendly.
> >
> > The Bowe family seems to me to be found in greater numbers in the area of
Counties, Kilkenny, Laois (pronounced leash)and Offaly. It will be great when we
can get people tested from the counties that surround that area to see if the
Bowe/s just migrated there over time.
> >
>

As a Guild registered surname study, the Bowes study will be queried on its
findings by first of its kind Family Names in the UK Project. Now more than ever
is a good time to build our DNA database and watch lineages emerge; a win-win
for family researchers and surname history!

http://cruwys.blogspot.com/2011/05/family-names-in-uk-project.html

http://bit.ly/kqLxT9

New Google Picasa album posted showing Toberboe Well, Laois, Ireland
http://bit.ly/lWYbij

New Google Picasa album posted showing Bowe's Cross Roads, Laois, Ireland
http://bit.ly/irEssn

Thanks Jeane!

Martha

Try reading them through a yellow/orange plastic sheet. Helped with my
ancestor's Civil War letters…

Martha

A large research website into Bowe from northern England:
http://www.bdevel.co.uk

Martha

Hmmm, I don't recall ever needing access, but maybe you went into a part of the
website that requires it. I would e-mail the guy behind the website, Rennie
Bowe, at rennie@...

I hope it's helpful…

Martha

--- In bowesgenealogy@yahoogroups.com, Alfred Neuman <shortroad2paradise@...>
wrote:
>
> I was denied access to this site, could you please help?
>
> --- On Mon, 5/30/11, mhbowes11 <mhbowes11@...> wrote:
>
> From: mhbowes11 <mhbowes11@...>
> Subject: [bowesgenealogy] Large Website For Bowe From Northern England
> To: bowesgenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 8:58 AM
>
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>       A large research website into Bowe from northern England:
http://www.bdevel.co.uk
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>
> Martha
>

http://blog.progenealogists.com/2011/05/why-geography-is-important/

Martha

Billion Graves iPhone app to upload your cemetery headstone images
http://billiongraves.com/

Martha

Allen, you have made interesting points. As I read I realized that my research
on my own line and how it fits into the big picture of Bowe and variants in
Ireland and the even bigger picture of the name world wide was left out of my
'trip to Ireland' post. Martha is always reminding me that my line and work does
not apply to everyone!

I have a working assumption that those Bowe living in Co.Laoix, Tipperary and
Kilkenny in the last 200 years arose from a common group and that some of the
Y-DNA results that show other paternal lines among Bowe people living in that
area are non-paternal events with a Bowe woman.

I have sent out 200 letters to all the Bowe/s households I could find in
Ireland. 100 of those households were in the three Countys listed previously,
with the other 100 households listed coming from all the rest of Ireland
combined. I never meant to imply in my post that all Bowe/s in Ireland
originated from one area. I know Martha doesn't believe that!

The beauty of the surname study is unraveling the Bowe/s story, working to
uncover all the whens and wheres. The only way that I see this being done
successfully is going backwards in time, one step at a time. Why there are so
few Bowe/s is another interesting question to ponder. We survived and spread out
to the 'New World' in great numbers but we stayed under the radar in Ireland it
seems.

Jeane


--- In bowesgenealogy@yahoogroups.com, Allen Bowes <bowes2000@...> wrote:
>
> Martha, thanks for the detailed information and clarifications, for which I am
> grateful, there appears to be some lines, as your findings imply, tracing to
the
> Ely Caroll, my contribution was airing an obvious (maybe overlooked)
> consideration, namely that the Bowe (variants) name; while having traditional
> association with Cork, Tipperary and your own families part of Eire, has been
> recognized by those with an interest as being fairly scattered, not say with
> such numerous or strong associations with specific locales as other Irish
names.
> On that basis alone, it would be adventurous to conclude, even with limited
> genetic indications, a single source area for any particular Bowe line,
although
> there may be firmer ground if we are talking within a relatively recent
> timescale, say post-Medieval onwards? That may well, in my view apply. However
> beyond that, to the mist covered bogs of pre-history, when Eire was peopled by
> arrivals from the continent and Britain Sept names, though later ascribed to
> certain locations may well have emerged in various localities, and given the
> relatively unchanged social/economic structure which prevalied over time in
> Eire, may well have taken root so to speak. Now it may well be that Cork was
one
> such an area, where folks bearing the name Buadhaigh settled, or more likely
> received their name, other areas too, including the far North.
>
> What always fascinates my thinking on our Bowe (variants) name is its low
> frequency, even more so if we remove still, those carrying the name who may
have
> been English 'settlers', then we are left with a distinctly low number,
> comparitively speaking to other Sept names. I believe (I am after all making
> this up as I go along) there could a tantalizing reason for that, which may
well
> have it's origins in those Erainn peoples, including the Corca Laiodhe) who
> settled, we are asked to consider, prior to later Godelic populations, yet
whose
> power, territory were consumed, by what we could loosely refer to as later
> 'Celtic' groups, such as for example the Eóganacht. The earlier Erainn became
> one of a number of subject groups, lists of whom are preserved in early
medieval
> texts, they became a form of oppresed minority, taking up a number of specic
> trades, some held onto more marginal lands, but their prestige and dominance
> were over, nothing has remained of their language, apart maybe from one or two
> names. The Gaels were the new authority and their tongue, culture, history and
> control was to overwhelm the earlier Erainn, yet preserved in some Sept names
> and chronicled in tradition are fascinating possibilities of identification.
Was
> this period, and the rapid fall from power of Erainn peoples, to establish a
> pattern and frequency of such peoples across Eire, including the Ua Buadhaigh?
>  
> What is certain is that the Bowe name happily defies to catagorized, a trait
> which is in itself a defining characteristic of my own Bowe's :) It may well
> have plausable roots in Laios, but I have a feeling our ancestors at some
early
> stage bore the name across Eire, to leave an imprint, the outlines of which we
> may be witnessing in amended form today
>  
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: mhbowes11 <mhbowes11@...>
> To: bowesgenealogy@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 17 May, 2011 22:52:34
> Subject: [bowesgenealogy] Re: trip to ireland - Bowe in Ireland Origins
>
> Some clarification here…
>
> Jeane's subgroup in the DNA project matches in its Y-chromosome the modal for
> Ely Carroll, the ancient region and cluster of septs ruled by the O"Carrolls.
> This region covered Offaly and Northern Tipperary, and parts of Laois at
various
> times. They match a documented modern descendent of the Litter Luna Carroll
> branch, but most likely also match the other Carroll branches from the area.
> It's just that we don't have a modern descendent of the other branches in the
> database to compare with.
>
> Another interesting thing is how we can now use autosomal DNA by ordering the
> Family Finder test through FTDNA. My own Bowe subgroup has a different
> Y-chromosome result from Jeane's subgroup, but three Bowe matches in my
subgroup
> are from northern Kilkenny and Tipperary and overlap the Ely Carroll subgroup.
> So Jeane and my father both took the Family Finder autosomal test, and even
> though autosomal DNA can dilute quickly with each generation, she and I did in
> fact show matching segments which would be from before 1800 (because our paper
> trails don't connect after that time). The only surname we know of that we
have
> in common is Bowe. Using autosomal DNA established that her Ely Carroll
subgroup
> and my subgroup in fact share the same history even though our Y chromosomes
are
> different. Since my subgroup matches a Pearse from Devon, England, there most
> likely was a non-paternal event where a Pearse conceived a son with one of the
> Ely Carroll Bowe women, and that son would have been raised as a Bowe and took
> the name.
>
> While autosomal matching is not guaranteed to preserve a connection from as
far
> back in time as the Y chromosome, when it does it can be a useful tool for us
to
> discern which of our Irish Bowe/s lineages actually represent a non-paternal
> event with the Ely Carroll subgroup. Our three participants from Ireland who
> don't have matches at this time have paper trails to Laois, Tipperary and
> Kilkenny, all areas where the Ely Carroll Bowe have a clear history in
documents
> and DNA. It would be a good idea to take part in the autosomal testing and
look
> for matching segments with other Bowe that way, alongside use of the Y
> chromosome. It could be that these three without matches belong to the Ely
> Carroll Bowe subgroup, in their autosomal history, but had a non-paternal
event
> along the Y chromosome similar to my subgroup. It becomes important to try to
> rule this in or out and not just rely on the Y chromosome since non-paternal
> events were not uncommon.
>
> Further, all we have established is that Jeane's subgroup matches Ely Carroll
> with the Y chromosome. This leaves open the possibility that her subgroup, and
> my father's that matches hers autosomally, actually have earlier history from
> Cork or some other area than Ely Carroll. The Ely Carroll Y-chromosome could
> itself be a non-paternal event in a Bowe group from elsewhere.
>
> We still don't have any DNA or documentary proof to substantiate the Irish
> surname history account of our surname in Ireland originating in Cork among
the
> Corca Laodhe. One participant from Ireland has a unique haplotype that might
be
> traced to the Corca Laodhe based on subclade studies (maybe he will share his
> research with us ;-), but we need to see genetic matches using the Y
chromosome
> and/or autosomal chromosomes with others whose surname are also associated
with
> the Corca Laodhe to hone in on a tribal modal from there, just as we've been
> able to do with Ely Carroll and other regional groups from Ireland. So far we
> haven't found matches with Corca Laodhe surnames.
>
> In addition to working to get more participants from Ireland in the project,
the
> more of our current participants who take the Family Finder test the better,
so
> we can build up our autosomal database within the project and have more
chances
> for finding matching segments that connect Bowe subgroups that differ on the Y
> chromosome. Nice thing about that test is you can also study your other
> ancestral lines using it.
>
> Martha
>
> --- In bowesgenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "bowes2000" <bowes2000@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jeane,
> >
> > Great to hear of your trip to Eire and the kindness of folks there, as
always
> >hospitable and generous.
> >
> > As a Bowe/Bowes/Bow (all variants in our family records) myself with roots
in
> >Tipperary and prior to that I believe Cork, I was interested to note your
idea
> >of the Bowe's 'migrating' from one source area. Hope you will not mind me
> >observing that such a model should be given very careful thought, as 'Bowe'
and
> >its variants has strong associations too with Cork and Tipperary, and to my
my
> >knowledge such groupings, certainly my own have no connection with Laios or
the
> >Carrol family.
> >
> > You are lucky to be able to identify with such certainty the line of your
folks
> >to a specific family and location, as other Bowe's such as myself get back to
> >the 18th Century and a fog of speculation then descends.
> >
> > --- In bowesgenealogy@yahoogroups.com, "Jeane Robinson" <jbowes110@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I just returned from a trip to Southern Ireland. I was doing research on
my
> >own Bowe/s line, Michael Bowe married 1832 in Coan, Co. Kilkenny. I also met
> >with 11 Bowe/s and encouraged people to have their DNA tested and collected
> >their ancestors paper trails for our Surname project. My Bowe/s line descends
> >from the Litter Luna Carroll's so I also did some research on the Ely Carroll
> >which I will post on the Ely Carroll board.
> > >
> > > I had the good fortune of speaking with 4 historians and folklorists while
> >traveling around. Much of what I was told I believe should be seen as
starting
> >points for further research. Perhaps the most interesting is that the Bowe in
> >Kilkenny were originally Hereitary musicians and entertainers. They would
have
> >farmed a small piece of land but would have been paid in goods for their
> >services. Two Bowe brothers left Co. Kilkenny to join the Barnum and Bailey
> >Circus in the USA.
> >
> > >
> > > I met with 11 Bowe/s during our visit, each of their family stories were
> >interesting and the people were all warm and friendly.
> > >
> > > The Bowe family seems to me to be found in greater numbers in the area of
> >Counties, Kilkenny, Laois (pronounced leash)and Offaly. It will be great when
we
> >can get people tested from the counties that surround that area to see if the
> >Bowe/s just migrated there over time.
> > >
> >
>

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