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#8125 From: "george" <geoh88@...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2013 6:43 pm
Subject: EU non-members
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In his updated book Why Geography Matters: Now More Than Ever, Harm de Blij states that (among others) Norway and Switzerland are having "second thoughts" about staying out of the EU (page 249).

Does anyone have knowledge of public opinion or possible governmental policy discussions which may support this statement?

#8126 From: "David L. Langenberg" <gallienus@...>
Date: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:06 pm
Subject: Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?
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While doing some research on the Casa Santa Martha (St. Martha's House), where
the cardinals are housed during the papal enclave, I ran across this Wikimapia
map: http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.9011312&lon=12.4521793&z=18&l=0&m=b,
representing part of the Vatican City State.  To the left of St. Martha's House
and St. Charles Palace is the Vatican Train Station.  Across from the station is
a small trapezoidal area designated as "Fontana (it.)"  Does this represent an
Italian exclave within Vatican City, itself an enclave within Italy?

David Langenberg
Newark, DE

#8127 From: P von Werden <vonwerden@...>
Date: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:25 pm
Subject: Re: Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?
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No David, it just means that the entry has been created by a Wikimapia user in Italian language.



De : David L. Langenberg <gallienus@...>
À : borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé le : Mardi 12 mars 2013 23h06
Objet : [borderpoint] Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?

 
While doing some research on the Casa Santa Martha (St. Martha's House), where the cardinals are housed during the papal enclave, I ran across this Wikimapia map: http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.9011312&lon=12.4521793&z=18&l=0&m=b, representing part of the Vatican City State. To the left of St. Martha's House and St. Charles Palace is the Vatican Train Station. Across from the station is a small trapezoidal area designated as "Fontana (it.)" Does this represent an Italian exclave within Vatican City, itself an enclave within Italy?

David Langenberg
Newark, DE



#8128 From: Dallen Timothy <Dallen.Timothy@...>
Date: Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:44 pm
Subject: RE: Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?
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I have attached a picture of the fountain that David pointed out on the wikimapia. I took this picture in 2010.

Dallen

 

From: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of P von Werden
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:25 PM
To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [borderpoint] Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?

 

 

No David, it just means that the entry has been created by a Wikimapia user in Italian language.

 

 


De : David L. Langenberg <gallienus@...>
À : borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé le : Mardi 12 mars 2013 23h06
Objet : [borderpoint] Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?

 

 

While doing some research on the Casa Santa Martha (St. Martha's House), where the cardinals are housed during the papal enclave, I ran across this Wikimapia map: http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.9011312&lon=12.4521793&z=18&l=0&m=b, representing part of the Vatican City State. To the left of St. Martha's House and St. Charles Palace is the Vatican Train Station. Across from the station is a small trapezoidal area designated as "Fontana (it.)" Does this represent an Italian exclave within Vatican City, itself an enclave within Italy?

David Langenberg
Newark, DE

 


1 of 1 Photo(s)


#8129 From: Dallen Timothy <Dallen.Timothy@...>
Date: Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:47 pm
Subject: RE: Exclave of Italy within Vatican City? [1 Attachment]
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Incidentally, the rail line is between the garbage bins and the wall.

 

From: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dallen Timothy
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:45 PM
To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [borderpoint] Exclave of Italy within Vatican City? [1 Attachment]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Dallen Timothy included below]

I have attached a picture of the fountain that David pointed out on the wikimapia. I took this picture in 2010.

Dallen

 

From: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of P von Werden
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:25 PM
To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [borderpoint] Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?

 

 

No David, it just means that the entry has been created by a Wikimapia user in Italian language.

 

 


De : David L. Langenberg <gallienus@...>
À : borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé le : Mardi 12 mars 2013 23h06
Objet : [borderpoint] Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?

 

 

While doing some research on the Casa Santa Martha (St. Martha's House), where the cardinals are housed during the papal enclave, I ran across this Wikimapia map: http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.9011312&lon=12.4521793&z=18&l=0&m=b, representing part of the Vatican City State. To the left of St. Martha's House and St. Charles Palace is the Vatican Train Station. Across from the station is a small trapezoidal area designated as "Fontana (it.)" Does this represent an Italian exclave within Vatican City, itself an enclave within Italy?

David Langenberg
Newark, DE

 


#8130 From: "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>
Date: Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:34 pm
Subject: Re: Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?
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I see that someone has now edited the label on the trapezoidal area to read "Fountain" in English with no "(it.)."
 
Lowell G. McManus
Eagle Pass, Texas, USA
 
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [borderpoint] Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?


No David, it just means that the entry has been created by a Wikimapia user in Italian language.
 
 

De : David L. Langenberg <gallienus@...>
À : borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé le : Mardi 12 mars 2013 23h06
Objet : [borderpoint] Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?
 
 
While doing some research on the Casa Santa Martha (St. Martha's House), where the cardinals are housed during the papal enclave, I ran across this Wikimapia map: http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.9011312&lon=12.4521793&z=18&l=0&m=b, representing part of the Vatican City State. To the left of St. Martha's House and St. Charles Palace is the Vatican Train Station. Across from the station is a small trapezoidal area designated as "Fontana (it.)" Does this represent an Italian exclave within Vatican City, itself an enclave within Italy?

David Langenberg
Newark, DE



#8131 From: Len Nadybal <lnadybal@...>
Date: Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:38 pm
Subject: Re: Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?
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But there is the German cemetery inside the walls, that at very least
has some extraterritorial status (if judicial jurisdiction is perhaps
not included). Extraterritoriality is far below the level of rights that
the Germans believe they possess there.
Len


David L. Langenberg wrote:
> While doing some research on the Casa Santa Martha (St. Martha's House), where
the cardinals are housed during the papal enclave, I ran across this Wikimapia
map: http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.9011312&lon=12.4521793&z=18&l=0&m=b,
representing part of the Vatican City State.  To the left of St. Martha's House
and St. Charles Palace is the Vatican Train Station.  Across from the station is
a small trapezoidal area designated as "Fontana (it.)"  Does this represent an
Italian exclave within Vatican City, itself an enclave within Italy?
>
> David Langenberg
> Newark, DE
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#8132 From: Dallen Timothy <Dallen.Timothy@...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:53 am
Subject: RE: Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?
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The German cemetery, located at the Teutonic College, is not within the Vatican walls per se or even in the Vatican City. It is part of the Uffizio extraterritorial area, so it lies outside the legal borders of the Vatican City State, but within the state’s functional area of Rome. The border runs around the Teutonic College and German cemetery, but they do have Vatican extraterritorial status.

 

The first picture is the German cemetery. The second picture is the wall around the German cemetery…the Vatican-Italy border runs along the base of the wall where it meets the ground. The doorway on the right side leads into the German cemetery.

 

Dallen

 

From: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Len Nadybal
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 4:39 PM
To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [borderpoint] Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?

 

 

But there is the German cemetery inside the walls, that at very least
has some extraterritorial status (if judicial jurisdiction is perhaps
not included). Extraterritoriality is far below the level of rights that
the Germans believe they possess there.
Len

David L. Langenberg wrote:
> While doing some research on the Casa Santa Martha (St. Martha's House), where the cardinals are housed during the papal enclave, I ran across this Wikimapia map: http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.9011312&lon=12.4521793&z=18&l=0&m=b, representing part of the Vatican City State. To the left of St. Martha's House and St. Charles Palace is the Vatican Train Station. Across from the station is a small trapezoidal area designated as "Fontana (it.)" Does this represent an Italian exclave within Vatican City, itself an enclave within Italy?
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#8133 From: Daryl Brown <westerndbrown@...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:41 pm
Subject: FW: 3/13/2013 1:41:37 PM
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#8134 From: David Kendall <dhkendall@...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:26 pm
Subject: Re: 3/13/2013 1:41:37 PM
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I'm thinking this may be a not-safe site.  (A couple of things set off my
warning bells).  I would suggest that you don't click on it (unless you already
have) until Daryl can confirm it's safe, and what it's about.


On 03/13/2013, at 7:41 AM, Daryl Brown <westerndbrown@...> wrote:

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#8135 From: Hugh Wallis <hughwallis@...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: 3/13/2013 1:41:37 PM
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It does seem from this report that Yahoo has now plugged the hole
that allowed some very clever mischief makers to propagate those
annoying one-line SPAM messages.

If you would like to learn more there is quite a good explanation at :-

<http://www.pcworld.com/article/2026848/yahoo-plugs-hole-that-allowed-hijacking-of-email-accounts.html>

Although the hole has now been cured, it does seem that we will be
receiving some messages from infected computers for a while, but at
least if anyone accidentally clicks on them, it will not propagate any further.

Cheers

Hugh

On 13 March 2013 12:26, David Kendall <dhkendall@...> wrote:

I'm thinking this may be a not-safe site. (A couple of things set off my warning bells). I would suggest that you don't click on it (unless you already have) until Daryl can confirm it's safe, and what it's about.

On 03/13/2013, at 7:41 AM, Daryl Brown <westerndbrown@...> wrote:

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#8136 From: Daryl Brown <westerndbrown@...>
Date: Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:32 am
Subject: Re: 3/13/2013 1:41:37 PM
westerndbrown
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My Yahoo account was compromised and of course the predictable result was emails being sent out to everyone in my contact list.  I apologize for any inconvenience caused to anyone on this list.
 
Daryl

From: Hugh Wallis <hughwallis@...>
To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:01:07 AM
Subject: Re: [borderpoint] 3/13/2013 1:41:37 PM
 
It does seem from this report that Yahoo has now plugged the hole 
that allowed some very clever mischief makers to propagate those 
annoying one-line SPAM messages.
If you would like to learn more there is quite a good explanation at :- <http://www.pcworld.com/article/2026848/yahoo-plugs-hole-that-allowed-hijacking-of-email-accounts.html> Although the hole has now been cured, it does seem that we will be  receiving some messages from infected computers for a while, but at  least if anyone accidentally clicks on them, it will not propagate any further.

Cheers

Hugh
On 13 March 2013 12:26, David Kendall <dhkendall@...> wrote:
 
I'm thinking this may be a not-safe site. (A couple of things set off my warning bells). I would suggest that you don't click on it (unless you already have) until Daryl can confirm it's safe, and what it's about.

On 03/13/2013, at 7:41 AM, Daryl Brown <mailto:westerndbrown%40yahoo.ca> wrote:

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#8137 From: Maxim Kozlov <Maximkov@...>
Date: Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:42 pm
Subject: Vietnamese enclave in China
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There seems to have been a historic exclave of Vietnam (and later French Indochina) in China, not far to the east of the point where Sno-Vetnamese border touched the sea.
 
On the attached maps Vietnam is a grey area on the left, two other colours are administratve divisions within the province of Guangxi (Kwangsi) of China.
 
Apparently the borders of the exclave are depicted more accurately on the map 'Vietnam1', while on 'Vietnam2' it seems to be out of place (it should be around the small peninsula, not to the west of it).
 
Maxim

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#8138 From: Len Nadybal <lnadybal@...>
Date: Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:08 pm
Subject: Re: Vietnamese enclave in China [2 Attachments]
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Is it really an enclave or a Brunei type of situation?   Fromt the small
maps, it appears at least there is a connecting maritime waters
component to consider.
Len Nadybal


Maxim Kozlov wrote:
> [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from Maxim Kozlov included below]
>
> There seems to have been a historic exclave of Vietnam (and later
> French Indochina) in China, not far to the east of the point where
> Sno-Vetnamese border touched the sea.
>
> On the attached maps Vietnam is a grey area on the left, two other
> colours are administratve divisions within the province of Guangxi
> (Kwangsi) of China.
>
> Apparently the borders of the exclave are depicted more accurately on
> the map 'Vietnam1', while on 'Vietnam2' it seems to be out of place
> (it should be around the small peninsula, not to the west of it).
>
> Maxim
>
> Attachment(s) from Maxim Kozlov
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> 2 of 2 Photo(s)
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> Vietnam1.jpg
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/attachments/folder/1786382465/item/39\
014818/view>
> Vietnam1.jpg
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/attachments/folder/1786382465/item/39\
014818/view>
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/attachments/folder/1786382465/item/14\
31340066/view>
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31340066/view>
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#8139 From: "Richard Lam" <richardlam11@...>
Date: Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:41 am
Subject: Re: Vietnamese enclave in China
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There are clearer maps on this Chinese webpage:
http://www.ihanjia.com/club/viewthread.php?tid=6289&extra=page%3D1
There is also a Chinese wikipedia page on the Jingzhu islands:
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BA%AC%E6%97%8F%E4%B8%89%E5%B2%9B

According to Chinese online sources, Wutou, Wanwei and Shanxin islands were
historically Chinese territories. The Vietnamese took control of the area
during a local rebellion in Guangxi during the Northern Sung dynasty. The
islands were returned to China under the terms of the Sino - French Treaty
of 1885. The islands have a total land area of 20.8 sq. km. and a population
of 13,000. The area is still inhabited by ethnic Vietnamese.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: Len Nadybal
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 11:08 PM
To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [borderpoint] Vietnamese enclave in China

Is it really an enclave or a Brunei type of situation?   Fromt the small
maps, it appears at least there is a connecting maritime waters
component to consider.
Len Nadybal


Maxim Kozlov wrote:
> [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from Maxim Kozlov included below]
>
> There seems to have been a historic exclave of Vietnam (and later
> French Indochina) in China, not far to the east of the point where
> Sno-Vetnamese border touched the sea.
>
> On the attached maps Vietnam is a grey area on the left, two other
> colours are administratve divisions within the province of Guangxi
> (Kwangsi) of China.
>
> Apparently the borders of the exclave are depicted more accurately on
> the map 'Vietnam1', while on 'Vietnam2' it seems to be out of place
> (it should be around the small peninsula, not to the west of it).
>
> Maxim
>
> Attachment(s) from Maxim Kozlov
>
> 2 of 2 Photo(s)
>
> Vietnam1.jpg
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/attachments/folder/1786382465/item/39\
014818/view>
> Vietnam1.jpg
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/attachments/folder/1786382465/item/39\
014818/view>
> Vietnam2.jpg
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/attachments/folder/1786382465/item/14\
31340066/view>
> Vietnam2.jpg
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/attachments/folder/1786382465/item/14\
31340066/view>
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#8140 From: "kubana2005" <kubana2005@...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:29 pm
Subject: Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
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So would you say that there are 2 tripoints on that border or only 1? If you
consider a condominium to be a separate entity, then there are indeed 2
tripoints, but since the condominium is part of both Germany and Luxembourg, I
would say that there is only 1 tripoint.

Also, if you consider the condominium to be a separate entity, that would mean
that Germany borders the Condominium, rather than Luxembourg!

After a long time,
Alex

#8141 From: Hugh Wallis <hughwallis@...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
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Me too - sad to see nice things replaced with moreutilitarianthings. I guess they need to keep the German steelindustryin business :)

On 5 January 2012 10:20, Dallen Timothy <Dallen.Timothy@...> wrote:

Thanks, Barry. I was there in 2009, and Im glad I went before they got rid of the nice wooden bridge. Its a shame to have replaced it!

Dallen


From: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry Arnold
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 2:56 AM
To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [borderpoint] Germany-Luxembourg condominium

The signs and newer versions remain incorrect(July 2011) but the sign on the bridge isno longer there withthe new bridge replacing it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/barry_432/5994083751/in/set-72157627199237255

http://www.flickr.com/photos/barry_432/5994797254/in/set-72157627199237255

Barry


To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
From: Dallen.Timothy@...
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:49:19 -0700
Subject: [borderpoint] Germany-Luxembourg condominium [1 Attachment]

[Attachment(s) from Dallen Timothy included below]

So, given what we know, then, the interpretive sign at the B-L-D tripoint is completely incorrect, as is the border marking on the wooden bridge. Ive attached it hereplease accept my apology for the size of the document if its filling up your emails.

Dallen



#8142 From: "Jesper Nielsen" <jesper@...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:49 pm
Subject: SV: Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
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Yes, two tripoints, or rather a triline

 

Jesper

 


Fra: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] P vegne af kubana2005
Sendt: 26. marts 2013 15:30
Til: Dallen Timothy; borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Emne: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium

 

 

So would you say that there are 2 tripoints on that border or only 1? If you consider a condominium to be a separate entity, then there are indeed 2 tripoints, but since the condominium is part of both Germany and Luxembourg, I would say that there is only 1 tripoint.

Also, if you consider the condominium to be a separate entity, that would mean that Germany borders the Condominium, rather than Luxembourg!

After a long time,
Alex


#8143 From: "kubana2005" <kubana2005@...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:59 pm
Subject: SV: Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
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But then you also have to say that there are 4 tripoints between France and
Spain, since the Pheasant Island is a condominium!?


--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen" <jesper@...> wrote:
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> Yes, two tripoints, or rather a triline
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> Fra: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] P
> vegne af kubana2005
> Sendt: 26. marts 2013 15:30
> Til: Dallen Timothy; borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
> Emne: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
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> So would you say that there are 2 tripoints on that border or only 1? If you
> consider a condominium to be a separate entity, then there are indeed 2
> tripoints, but since the condominium is part of both Germany and Luxembourg,
> I would say that there is only 1 tripoint.
>
> Also, if you consider the condominium to be a separate entity, that would
> mean that Germany borders the Condominium, rather than Luxembourg!
>
> After a long time,
> Alex
>

#8144 From: "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:01 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
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Alex,
 
I suggest the use of the term triline instead of tripoint.
 
Lowell G. McManus
Eagle Pass, Texas, USA
 
 
 
From: kubana2005
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:29 AM
Subject: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
So would you say that there are 2 tripoints on that border or only 1? If you consider a condominium to be a separate entity, then there are indeed 2 tripoints, but since the condominium is part of both Germany and Luxembourg, I would say that there is only 1 tripoint.

Also, if you consider the condominium to be a separate entity, that would mean that Germany borders the Condominium, rather than Luxembourg!

After a long time,
Alex




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#8145 From: "kubana2005" <kubana2005@...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:04 pm
Subject: Re: Ceuta y Melilla (visiting Plazas de Soberania)
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Is it possible to visit any Plazas de Soberania?

I am curious about the Spain-Morocco border on the Penon de Velez de la Gomera.
If one would try to cross it on foot (with an EU passport), would the Spanish
guards let him in for at least few meters inside the Spanish territory?

Perejil island is also interesting since it is only 300m from Moroccan coast and
an average swimmer could swim to it!

Cheers,
Alex

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> Thanks Lowell, I was aware of all of those but was content just to mention
> the main two.  Roger & out.
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#8146 From: "kubana2005" <kubana2005@...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:07 pm
Subject: Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
kubana2005
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Lowell,

So the Belgium-Germany-Luxembourg don't share a tripoint, but a triline?! Its a
quite complex situation!

Alex

--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...> wrote:
>
> Alex,
>
> I suggest the use of the term triline instead of tripoint.
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Eagle Pass, Texas, USA
>
>
>
>
> From: kubana2005
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:29 AM
> To: Dallen Timothy ; borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
> So would you say that there are 2 tripoints on that border or only 1? If you
consider a condominium to be a separate entity, then there are indeed 2
tripoints, but since the condominium is part of both Germany and Luxembourg, I
would say that there is only 1 tripoint.
>
> Also, if you consider the condominium to be a separate entity, that would mean
that Germany borders the Condominium, rather than Luxembourg!
>
> After a long time,
> Alex
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

#8147 From: "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:11 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
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No two countries ever established a condominium for the sake of simplicity.
 
Lowell G. McManus
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From: kubana2005
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:07 AM
Subject: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
Lowell,

So the Belgium-Germany-Luxembourg don't share a tripoint, but a triline?! Its a quite complex situation!

Alex

--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...> wrote:
>
> Alex,
>
> I suggest the use of the term triline instead of tripoint.
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Eagle Pass, Texas, USA
>
>
>
>
> From: kubana2005
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:29 AM
> To: Dallen Timothy ; borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
> So would you say that there are 2 tripoints on that border or only 1? If you consider a condominium to be a separate entity, then there are indeed 2 tripoints, but since the condominium is part of both Germany and Luxembourg, I would say that there is only 1 tripoint.
>
> Also, if you consider the condominium to be a separate entity, that would mean that Germany borders the Condominium, rather than Luxembourg!
>
> After a long time,
> Alex
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>




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#8148 From: "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Ceuta y Melilla (visiting Plazas de Soberania)
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Wikipedia says:
 
> On the morning of 29 August 2012 there was an incident in which seven Moroccan activists of the Committee for the Liberation of Ceuta and Melilla stormed the rock [Pen de Vlez de la Gomera] and placed flags of Morocco, resulting in the arrest of four of them by Spanish soldiers. Among the instigators of the assault was Yahya Yahya, mayor of the Moroccan town of Beni Ansar. Three Moroccans managed to escape the Spanish territory and could not be captured.
 
I suggest that you can get the most authoritative information from your nearest Spanish embassy or consulate.
 
Lowell G. McManus
Eagle Pass, Texas, USA
 
 
 
From: kubana2005
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:04 AM
Subject: [borderpoint] Re: Ceuta y Melilla (visiting Plazas de Soberania)
Is it possible to visit any Plazas de Soberania?

I am curious about the Spain-Morocco border on the Penon de Velez de la Gomera. If one would try to cross it on foot (with an EU passport), would the Spanish guards let him in for at least few meters inside the Spanish territory?

Perejil island is also interesting since it is only 300m from Moroccan coast and an average swimmer could swim to it!

Cheers,
Alex

--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, Roger McCutcheon <rogerdwmac@...> wrote:
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> Thanks Lowell, I was aware of all of those but was content just to mention
> the main two.  Roger & out.
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#8149 From: George Washington <kubana2005@...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:20 pm
Subject: Exclaves of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina
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As a member from the Balkans, I would like to point out about domestic exclaves in Bosnia & Herzegovina. As you know, BiH is divided into 2 entities (Federation and the Republic of Srpska) and the District of Brčko which is officially a condominium. The boundary between the entities is called IEBL (Inter-Entity Boundary Line).

Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina has 2 inhabited exclaves (one consists of the municipality of Odžak, while the other one consist of two municipalities: Orašje and Domaljevac). There are also 2 uninhabited semi-exclaves of FBiH surrounded by Brčko district. I said semi-exclaves because Brčko is also a condominium. Those 2 uninhabited exclaves are very small and there is even a possibility that they are on a mine field. Ordinary maps don't show them. We could also say that Orašje-Domaljevac is a semi-exclave, since it borders the District of Brčko.

The exclave of Odžak. borders Croatia to the north, and the Republic of Srpska to the south.
I visited the town of Šamac, which is a Serb populated town in the Republic of Srpska and the village of Prud, which is Croat populated village in the Federation (exclave of Odžak)
Šamac and Prud are separated by the river of Bosna, which is where the IEBL goes. The bridge that divides the entities is a one-way bridge, so the traffic is monitored by a traffic light. There are no official markings when you enter one of the entities at that bridge (apart from the Srpska flag), although one can see large number of Srpska flags in the Srpska entity and the Croatian flags in that part of the Federation. In the village of Prud, only Latin script is used and the post office is a HP Mostar (Croatian Bosnian postal operator), while in Šamac, there is a larger use of the Serbian Cyrillic script and the Srpska Post Offices. 

I also posted the map of the 2 exclaves. The town of Šamac is not shown since it is in Srpska, although it is located between the 2 exclaves, on the part of Srpska which borders Croatia.

Cheers,
Alex
Belgrade, Serbia

5 of 5 Photo(s)


#8150 From: "Jesper Nielsen" <jesper@...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:02 pm
Subject: SV: Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
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It’s really a matter of viewpoint.

 

If you are looking for the point where three borders come together, you can talk about the twin tripoints, but if

you are looking for the place where three countries come together it's a triline.

 

Also do you considder the condominium a entity of each one?

 

You will also find two binational tripoints on the German-Luxembourg border around Vianden.

 

Jesper


Fra: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] P vegne af kubana2005
Sendt: 26. marts 2013 16:07
Til: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Emne: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium

 

 

Lowell,

So the Belgium-Germany-Luxembourg don't share a tripoint, but a triline?! Its a quite complex situation!

Alex

--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...> wrote:
>
> Alex,
>
> I suggest the use of the term triline instead of tripoint.
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Eagle Pass, Texas, USA
>
>
>
>
> From: kubana2005
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:29 AM
> To: Dallen Timothy ; borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
> So would you say that there are 2 tripoints on that border or only 1? If you consider a condominium to be a separate entity, then there are indeed 2 tripoints, but since the condominium is part of both Germany and Luxembourg, I would say that there is only 1 tripoint.
>
> Also, if you consider the condominium to be a separate entity, that would mean that Germany borders the Condominium, rather than Luxembourg!
>
> After a long time,
> Alex
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>


#8151 From: "kubana2005" <kubana2005@...>
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:52 am
Subject: SV: Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
kubana2005
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Well I never heard of the word triline! Yep, the area around Vianden is
interesting...although each side views the river as their, so it's still a
question of how many bi-national trilines there are. As I said, we could also
say that there are 2 bi-national trilines around Pheasant Island. And there
would also be a question of whether the islands on the DE-LUX border are
enclaves!

Why are there boundary stones near the Sauer river? The stones are located few
meters inside the countryside. Is it the condominium boundaries or just the
boundary stone which is not located on the actual border?

Cheers,
Alex

--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen" <jesper@...> wrote:
>
> It's really a matter of viewpoint.
>
>
>
> If you are looking for the point where three borders come together, you can
> talk about the twin tripoints, but if
>
> you are looking for the place where three countries come together it's a
> triline.
>
>
>
> Also do you considder the condominium a entity of each one?
>
>
>
> You will also find two binational tripoints on the German-Luxembourg border
> around Vianden.
>
>
>
> Jesper
>
>   _____
>
> Fra: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] P
> vegne af kubana2005
> Sendt: 26. marts 2013 16:07
> Til: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
> Emne: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
>
>
>
>
>
> Lowell,
>
> So the Belgium-Germany-Luxembourg don't share a tripoint, but a triline?!
> Its a quite complex situation!
>
> Alex
>
> --- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@> wrote:
> >
> > Alex,
> >
> > I suggest the use of the term triline instead of tripoint.
> >
> > Lowell G. McManus
> > Eagle Pass, Texas, USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: kubana2005
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:29 AM
> > To: Dallen Timothy ; borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
> > So would you say that there are 2 tripoints on that border or only 1? If
> you consider a condominium to be a separate entity, then there are indeed 2
> tripoints, but since the condominium is part of both Germany and Luxembourg,
> I would say that there is only 1 tripoint.
> >
> > Also, if you consider the condominium to be a separate entity, that would
> mean that Germany borders the Condominium, rather than Luxembourg!
> >
> > After a long time,
> > Alex
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>

#8152 From: "Jesper Nielsen" <jesper@...>
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:10 am
Subject: SV: Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
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Vianden, the trilines etc is old school among the border community.

 

Google for Vianden, condominium etc with keyword boundarypoint, there will open op at new would of information.

 

You may also find the old topos showing the two binational tripoint markers.

 

Jesper

 


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Sendt: 27. marts 2013 11:53
Til: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Emne: SV: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium

 

 

Well I never heard of the word triline! Yep, the area around Vianden is interesting...although each side views the river as their, so it's still a question of how many bi-national trilines there are. As I said, we could also say that there are 2 bi-national trilines around Pheasant Island. And there would also be a question of whether the islands on the DE-LUX border are enclaves!

Why are there boundary stones near the Sauer river? The stones are located few meters inside the countryside. Is it the condominium boundaries or just the boundary stone which is not located on the actual border?

Cheers,
Alex

--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen" <jesper@...> wrote:
>
> It's really a matter of viewpoint.
>
>
>
> If you are looking for the point where three borders come together, you can
> talk about the twin tripoints, but if
>
> you are looking for the place where three countries come together it's a
> triline.
>
>
>
> Also do you considder the condominium a entity of each one?
>
>
>
> You will also find two binational tripoints on the German-Luxembourg border
> around Vianden.
>
>
>
> Jesper
>
> _____
>
> Fra: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] P
> vegne af kubana2005
> Sendt: 26. marts 2013 16:07
> Til: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
> Emne: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
>
>
>
>
>
> Lowell,
>
> So the Belgium-Germany-Luxembourg don't share a tripoint, but a triline?!
> Its a quite complex situation!
>
> Alex
>
> --- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@> wrote:
> >
> > Alex,
> >
> > I suggest the use of the term triline instead of tripoint.
> >
> > Lowell G. McManus
> > Eagle Pass, Texas, USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: kubana2005
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:29 AM
> > To: Dallen Timothy ; borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
> > So would you say that there are 2 tripoints on that border or only 1? If
> you consider a condominium to be a separate entity, then there are indeed 2
> tripoints, but since the condominium is part of both Germany and Luxembourg,
> I would say that there is only 1 tripoint.
> >
> > Also, if you consider the condominium to be a separate entity, that would
> mean that Germany borders the Condominium, rather than Luxembourg!
> >
> > After a long time,
> > Alex
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>


#8153 From: Larry Kooper <larry.kooper@...>
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:49 pm
Subject: Tennessee, Georgia in a border dispute
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#8154 From: "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:10 pm
Subject: Re: SV: Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
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The best way to find this information is to visit the BoundaryPoint group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/ .  That group has been inactive for six years, having been succeeded by this one, but its seven years of message archives (over 20,200 posts) are carefully preserved.  They are searchable and open to anyone.
 
Lowell G. McManus
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Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 6:10 AM
Subject: SV: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium


Vianden, the trilines etc is old school among the border community.

 

Google for Vianden, condominium etc with keyword boundarypoint, there will open op at new would of information.

 

You may also find the old topos showing the two binational tripoint markers.

 

Jesper

 


Fra: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] P vegne af kubana2005
Sendt: 27. marts 2013 11:53
Til: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Emne: SV: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium

 

 

Well I never heard of the word triline! Yep, the area around Vianden is interesting...although each side views the river as their, so it's still a question of how many bi-national trilines there are. As I said, we could also say that there are 2 bi-national trilines around Pheasant Island. And there would also be a question of whether the islands on the DE-LUX border are enclaves!

Why are there boundary stones near the Sauer river? The stones are located few meters inside the countryside. Is it the condominium boundaries or just the boundary stone which is not located on the actual border?

Cheers,
Alex

--- In mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen" <jesper@...> wrote:
>
> It's really a matter of viewpoint.
>
>
>
> If you are looking for the point where three borders come together, you can
> talk about the twin tripoints, but if
>
> you are looking for the place where three countries come together it's a
> triline.
>
>
>
> Also do you considder the condominium a entity of each one?
>
>
>
> You will also find two binational tripoints on the German-Luxembourg border
> around Vianden.
>
>
>
> Jesper
>
> _____
>
> Fra: mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com] P
> vegne af kubana2005
> Sendt: 26. marts 2013 16:07
> Til: mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com
> Emne: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
>
>
>
>
>
> Lowell,
>
> So the Belgium-Germany-Luxembourg don't share a tripoint, but a triline?!
> Its a quite complex situation!
>
> Alex
>
> --- In mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@> wrote:
> >
> > Alex,
> >
> > I suggest the use of the term triline instead of tripoint.
> >
> > Lowell G. McManus
> > Eagle Pass, Texas, USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: kubana2005
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:29 AM
> > To: Dallen Timothy ; mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
> > So would you say that there are 2 tripoints on that border or only 1? If
> you consider a condominium to be a separate entity, then there are indeed 2
> tripoints, but since the condominium is part of both Germany and Luxembourg,
> I would say that there is only 1 tripoint.
> >
> > Also, if you consider the condominium to be a separate entity, that would
> mean that Germany borders the Condominium, rather than Luxembourg!
> >
> > After a long time,
> > Alex
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>


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