In his updated book Why Geography Matters: Now More Than Ever, Harm de Blij states that (among others) Norway and Switzerland are having "second thoughts" about staying out of the EU (page 249).
Does anyone have knowledge of public opinion or possible governmental policy discussions which may support this statement?
While doing some research on the Casa Santa Martha (St. Martha's House), where
the cardinals are housed during the papal enclave, I ran across this Wikimapia
map: http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.9011312&lon=12.4521793&z=18&l=0&m=b,
representing part of the Vatican City State. To the left of St. Martha's House
and St. Charles Palace is the Vatican Train Station. Across from the station is
a small trapezoidal area designated as "Fontana (it.)" Does this represent an
Italian exclave within Vatican City, itself an enclave within Italy?
David Langenberg
Newark, DE
No David, it just means that the entry has been created by a Wikimapia user in Italian language.
De : David L. Langenberg <gallienus@...> À : borderpoint@yahoogroups.com Envoyé le : Mardi 12 mars 2013 23h06 Objet : [borderpoint] Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?
While doing some research on the Casa Santa Martha (St. Martha's House), where the cardinals are housed during the papal enclave, I ran across this Wikimapia map: http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.9011312&lon=12.4521793&z=18&l=0&m=b, representing part of the Vatican City State. To the left of St. Martha's House and St. Charles Palace is the Vatican Train Station. Across from the station is a small trapezoidal area designated as "Fontana (it.)" Does this represent an Italian exclave within Vatican City, itself an enclave within Italy?
I have attached a picture of the fountain that David pointed out on the wikimapia. I took this picture in 2010.
Dallen
From: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of P von Werden Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:25 PM To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [borderpoint] Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?
No David, it just means that the entry has been created by a Wikimapia user in Italian language.
De : David L. Langenberg <gallienus@...> À : borderpoint@yahoogroups.com Envoyé le : Mardi 12 mars 2013 23h06 Objet : [borderpoint] Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?
While doing some research on the Casa Santa Martha (St. Martha's House), where the cardinals are housed during the papal enclave, I ran across this Wikimapia map:
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.9011312&lon=12.4521793&z=18&l=0&m=b, representing part of the Vatican City State. To the left of St. Martha's House and St. Charles Palace is the Vatican Train Station. Across from the station is a small trapezoidal area designated
as "Fontana (it.)" Does this represent an Italian exclave within Vatican City, itself an enclave within Italy?
Incidentally, the rail line is between the garbage bins and the wall.
From: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Dallen Timothy Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:45 PM To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [borderpoint] Exclave of Italy within Vatican City? [1 Attachment]
I have attached a picture of the fountain that David pointed out on the wikimapia. I took this picture in 2010.
Dallen
From: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of P von Werden Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:25 PM To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [borderpoint] Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?
No David, it just means that the entry has been created by a Wikimapia user in Italian language.
De : David L. Langenberg <gallienus@...> À : borderpoint@yahoogroups.com Envoyé le : Mardi 12 mars 2013 23h06 Objet : [borderpoint] Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?
While doing some research on the Casa Santa Martha (St. Martha's House), where the cardinals are housed during the papal enclave, I ran across this Wikimapia map:
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.9011312&lon=12.4521793&z=18&l=0&m=b, representing part of the Vatican City State. To the left of St. Martha's House and St. Charles Palace is the Vatican Train Station. Across from the station is a small trapezoidal area designated
as "Fontana (it.)" Does this represent an Italian exclave within Vatican City, itself an enclave within Italy?
Subject: Re: [borderpoint] Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?
No David, it just means that the entry has been created by a Wikimapia user in Italian language.
De : David L. Langenberg <gallienus@...> À : borderpoint@yahoogroups.com Envoyé le : Mardi 12 mars 2013 23h06 Objet : [borderpoint] Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?
While doing some research on the Casa Santa Martha (St. Martha's House), where the cardinals are housed during the papal enclave, I ran across this Wikimapia map: http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.9011312&lon=12.4521793&z=18&l=0&m=b, representing part of the Vatican City State. To the left of St. Martha's House and St. Charles Palace is the Vatican Train Station. Across from the station is a small trapezoidal area designated as "Fontana (it.)" Does this represent an Italian exclave within Vatican City, itself an enclave within Italy?
But there is the German cemetery inside the walls, that at very least
has some extraterritorial status (if judicial jurisdiction is perhaps
not included). Extraterritoriality is far below the level of rights that
the Germans believe they possess there.
Len
David L. Langenberg wrote:
> While doing some research on the Casa Santa Martha (St. Martha's House), where
the cardinals are housed during the papal enclave, I ran across this Wikimapia
map: http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.9011312&lon=12.4521793&z=18&l=0&m=b,
representing part of the Vatican City State. To the left of St. Martha's House
and St. Charles Palace is the Vatican Train Station. Across from the station is
a small trapezoidal area designated as "Fontana (it.)" Does this represent an
Italian exclave within Vatican City, itself an enclave within Italy?
>
> David Langenberg
> Newark, DE
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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The German cemetery, located at the Teutonic College, is not within the Vatican walls per se or even in the Vatican City. It is part of the Uffizio extraterritorial
area, so it lies outside the legal borders of the Vatican City State, but within the state’s functional area of Rome. The border runs around the Teutonic College and German cemetery, but they do have Vatican extraterritorial status.
The first picture is the German cemetery. The second picture is the wall around the German cemetery…the Vatican-Italy border runs along the base of the wall
where it meets the ground. The doorway on the right side leads into the German cemetery.
Dallen
From: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Len Nadybal Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 4:39 PM To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [borderpoint] Exclave of Italy within Vatican City?
But there is the German cemetery inside the walls, that at very least
has some extraterritorial status (if judicial jurisdiction is perhaps
not included). Extraterritoriality is far below the level of rights that
the Germans believe they possess there.
Len
David L. Langenberg wrote:
> While doing some research on the Casa Santa Martha (St. Martha's House), where the cardinals are housed during the papal enclave, I ran across this Wikimapia map:
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.9011312&lon=12.4521793&z=18&l=0&m=b, representing part of the Vatican City State. To the left of St. Martha's House and St. Charles Palace is the Vatican
Train Station. Across from the station is a small trapezoidal area designated as "Fontana (it.)" Does this represent an Italian exclave within Vatican City, itself an enclave within Italy?
>
> David Langenberg
> Newark, DE
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
I'm thinking this may be a not-safe site. (A couple of things set off my
warning bells). I would suggest that you don't click on it (unless you already
have) until Daryl can confirm it's safe, and what it's about.
On 03/13/2013, at 7:41 AM, Daryl Brown <westerndbrown@...> wrote:
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> http://www.phunsombut.com/ysbphkau/my/zrc/oy/rnfe
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> 3/13/2013 1:41:37 PM .
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> Daryl Brown
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It does seem from this report that Yahoo has now plugged the hole that allowed some very clever mischief makers to propagate those annoying one-line SPAM messages.
If you would like to learn more there is quite a good explanation at :-
Although the hole has now been cured, it does seem that we will be receiving some messages from infected computers for a while, but at least if anyone accidentally clicks on them, it will not propagate any further.
Cheers
Hugh
On 13 March 2013 12:26, David Kendall <dhkendall@...> wrote:
I'm thinking this may be a not-safe site. (A couple of things set off my warning bells). I would suggest that you don't click on it (unless you already have) until Daryl can confirm it's safe, and what it's about.
My Yahoo account was compromised and of course the predictable result was emails being sent out to everyone in my contact list. I apologize for any inconvenience caused to anyone on this list.
Daryl
From: Hugh Wallis <hughwallis@...> To:
borderpoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:01:07 AM Subject: Re: [borderpoint] 3/13/2013 1:41:37 PM
It does seem from this report that Yahoo has now plugged the hole that allowed some very clever mischief makers to propagate those annoying one-line SPAM messages.
On 13 March 2013 12:26, David Kendall <dhkendall@...> wrote:
I'm thinking this may be a not-safe site. (A couple of things set off my warning bells). I would suggest that you don't click on it (unless you already have) until Daryl can confirm it's safe, and what it's about.
There seems to have been a historic exclave of Vietnam (and later French Indochina) in China, not far to the east of the point where Sno-Vetnamese border touched the sea.
On the attached maps Vietnam is a grey area on the left, two other colours are administratve divisions within the province of Guangxi (Kwangsi) of China.
Apparently the borders of the exclave are depicted more accurately on the map 'Vietnam1', while on 'Vietnam2' it seems to be out of place (it should be around the small peninsula, not to the west of it).
There are clearer maps on this Chinese webpage:
http://www.ihanjia.com/club/viewthread.php?tid=6289&extra=page%3D1
There is also a Chinese wikipedia page on the Jingzhu islands:
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BA%AC%E6%97%8F%E4%B8%89%E5%B2%9B
According to Chinese online sources, Wutou, Wanwei and Shanxin islands were
historically Chinese territories. The Vietnamese took control of the area
during a local rebellion in Guangxi during the Northern Sung dynasty. The
islands were returned to China under the terms of the Sino - French Treaty
of 1885. The islands have a total land area of 20.8 sq. km. and a population
of 13,000. The area is still inhabited by ethnic Vietnamese.
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: Len Nadybal
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 11:08 PM
To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [borderpoint] Vietnamese enclave in China
Is it really an enclave or a Brunei type of situation? Fromt the small
maps, it appears at least there is a connecting maritime waters
component to consider.
Len Nadybal
Maxim Kozlov wrote:
> [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from Maxim Kozlov included below]
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> There seems to have been a historic exclave of Vietnam (and later
> French Indochina) in China, not far to the east of the point where
> Sno-Vetnamese border touched the sea.
>
> On the attached maps Vietnam is a grey area on the left, two other
> colours are administratve divisions within the province of Guangxi
> (Kwangsi) of China.
>
> Apparently the borders of the exclave are depicted more accurately on
> the map 'Vietnam1', while on 'Vietnam2' it seems to be out of place
> (it should be around the small peninsula, not to the west of it).
>
> Maxim
>
> Attachment(s) from Maxim Kozlov
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So would you say that there are 2 tripoints on that border or only 1? If you
consider a condominium to be a separate entity, then there are indeed 2
tripoints, but since the condominium is part of both Germany and Luxembourg, I
would say that there is only 1 tripoint.
Also, if you consider the condominium to be a separate entity, that would mean
that Germany borders the Condominium, rather than Luxembourg!
After a long time,
Alex
So, given what we know, then, the interpretive sign at the B-L-D
tripoint is completely incorrect, as is the border marking on the wooden
bridge. Ive attached it hereplease accept my apology for the size of the
document if its filling up your emails.
Fra:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] P vegne af kubana2005 Sendt: 26. marts 2013 15:30 Til:Dallen Timothy; borderpoint@yahoogroups.com Emne: [borderpoint] Re:
Germany-Luxembourg condominium
So would you say that there are 2 tripoints on that
border or only 1? If you consider a condominium to be a separate entity, then
there are indeed 2 tripoints, but since the condominium is part of both Germany
and Luxembourg, I would say that there is only 1 tripoint.
Also, if you consider the condominium to be a separate entity, that would mean
that Germany borders the Condominium, rather than Luxembourg!
But then you also have to say that there are 4 tripoints between France and
Spain, since the Pheasant Island is a condominium!?
--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen" <jesper@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, two tripoints, or rather a triline
>
>
>
> Jesper
>
>
>
> _____
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> Fra: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] P
> vegne af kubana2005
> Sendt: 26. marts 2013 15:30
> Til: Dallen Timothy; borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
> Emne: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
>
>
>
>
>
> So would you say that there are 2 tripoints on that border or only 1? If you
> consider a condominium to be a separate entity, then there are indeed 2
> tripoints, but since the condominium is part of both Germany and Luxembourg,
> I would say that there is only 1 tripoint.
>
> Also, if you consider the condominium to be a separate entity, that would
> mean that Germany borders the Condominium, rather than Luxembourg!
>
> After a long time,
> Alex
>
So would you say that there are 2 tripoints on that border or only 1? If you consider a condominium to be a separate entity, then there are indeed 2 tripoints, but since the condominium is part of both Germany and Luxembourg, I would say that there is only 1 tripoint.
Also, if you consider the condominium to be a separate entity, that would mean that Germany borders the Condominium, rather than Luxembourg!
After a long time, Alex
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Is it possible to visit any Plazas de Soberania?
I am curious about the Spain-Morocco border on the Penon de Velez de la Gomera.
If one would try to cross it on foot (with an EU passport), would the Spanish
guards let him in for at least few meters inside the Spanish territory?
Perejil island is also interesting since it is only 300m from Moroccan coast and
an average swimmer could swim to it!
Cheers,
Alex
--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, Roger McCutcheon <rogerdwmac@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Lowell, I was aware of all of those but was content just to mention
> the main two. Roger & out.
>
Lowell,
So the Belgium-Germany-Luxembourg don't share a tripoint, but a triline?! Its a
quite complex situation!
Alex
--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...> wrote:
>
> Alex,
>
> I suggest the use of the term triline instead of tripoint.
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Eagle Pass, Texas, USA
>
>
>
>
> From: kubana2005
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:29 AM
> To: Dallen Timothy ; borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
> So would you say that there are 2 tripoints on that border or only 1? If you
consider a condominium to be a separate entity, then there are indeed 2
tripoints, but since the condominium is part of both Germany and Luxembourg, I
would say that there is only 1 tripoint.
>
> Also, if you consider the condominium to be a separate entity, that would mean
that Germany borders the Condominium, rather than Luxembourg!
>
> After a long time,
> Alex
>
>
>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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So the Belgium-Germany-Luxembourg don't share a tripoint, but a triline?! Its a quite complex situation!
Alex
--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...> wrote: > > Alex, > > I suggest the use of the term triline instead of tripoint. > > Lowell G. McManus > Eagle Pass, Texas, USA > > > > > From: kubana2005 > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:29 AM > To: Dallen Timothy ; borderpoint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium > So would you say that there are 2 tripoints on that border or only 1? If you consider a condominium to be a separate entity, then there are indeed 2 tripoints, but since the condominium is part of both Germany and Luxembourg, I would say that there is only 1 tripoint. > > Also, if you consider the condominium to be a separate entity, that would mean that Germany borders the Condominium, rather than Luxembourg! > > After a long time, > Alex > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links >
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> On the morning of 29 August 2012 there was an incident in which seven Moroccan activists of the Committee for the Liberation of Ceuta and Melilla stormed the rock [Pen de Vlez de la Gomera] and placed flags of Morocco, resulting in the arrest of four of them bySpanish soldiers. Among the instigators of the assault was Yahya Yahya, mayor of the Moroccan town ofBeni Ansar. Three Moroccans managed to escape the Spanish territory and could not be captured.
I suggest that you can get the most authoritative information from your nearest Spanish embassy or consulate.
Subject: [borderpoint] Re: Ceuta y Melilla (visiting Plazas de Soberania)
Is it possible to visit any Plazas de Soberania?
I am curious about the Spain-Morocco border on the Penon de Velez de la Gomera. If one would try to cross it on foot (with an EU passport), would the Spanish guards let him in for at least few meters inside the Spanish territory?
Perejil island is also interesting since it is only 300m from Moroccan coast and an average swimmer could swim to it!
Cheers, Alex
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As a member from the Balkans, I would like to point out about domestic exclaves in Bosnia & Herzegovina. As you know, BiH is divided into 2
entities (Federation and the Republic of Srpska) and the District of Brčko which is officially a condominium. The boundary between the entities is called IEBL (Inter-Entity Boundary Line).
Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina has 2 inhabited exclaves (one consists of the municipality of Odžak, while the other one consist of two municipalities: Orašje and Domaljevac). There are also 2 uninhabited
semi-exclaves of FBiH surrounded by Brčko district. I said semi-exclaves because Brčko is also a condominium. Those 2 uninhabited exclaves are very small and there is even a possibility that they are on
a mine field. Ordinary maps don't show them. We could also say that Orašje-Domaljevac is a semi-exclave, since it borders the District of Brčko.
The exclave of Odžak. borders Croatia to the north, and the Republic of Srpska to the south. I
visited the town of Šamac, which is a Serb populated town in the Republic of Srpska and the village of Prud, which is Croat populated village in the Federation (exclave of Odžak)
Šamac and Prud are separated by the river of Bosna, which is where the IEBL goes. The bridge that divides the entities is a one-way bridge, so the traffic is monitored by a traffic light. There are no official markings when you enter one of the entities at that bridge (apart from the Srpska flag), although one can see large number of Srpska flags in the Srpska entity and the Croatian flags in that part of the Federation.
In the village of Prud, only Latin script is used and the post office is a HP Mostar (Croatian Bosnian postal operator), while in Šamac, there
is a larger use of the Serbian Cyrillic script and the Srpska Post Offices.
I also posted the map of the 2 exclaves. The town of Šamac is not shown since it is in Srpska, although it is located between the 2 exclaves, on the part of Srpska which borders Croatia.
If you are looking for
the point where three borders come together, you can talk about the twin
tripoints, but if
you are looking for the
place where three countries come together it's a triline.
Also do you considder the
condominium a entity of each one?
You will also find two
binational tripoints on the German-Luxembourg border around Vianden.
Jesper
Fra:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] P vegne af kubana2005 Sendt: 26. marts 2013 16:07 Til:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com Emne: [borderpoint] Re:
Germany-Luxembourg condominium
Lowell,
So the Belgium-Germany-Luxembourg don't share a tripoint, but a triline?! Its a
quite complex situation!
Alex
--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com,
"Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...> wrote:
>
> Alex,
>
> I suggest the use of the term triline instead of tripoint.
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Eagle Pass, Texas, USA
>
>
>
>
> From: kubana2005
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:29 AM
> To: Dallen Timothy
; borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
> So would you say that there are 2 tripoints on that border or only 1? If
you consider a condominium to be a separate entity, then there are indeed 2
tripoints, but since the condominium is part of both Germany and Luxembourg, I
would say that there is only 1 tripoint.
>
> Also, if you consider the condominium to be a separate entity, that would
mean that Germany borders the Condominium, rather than Luxembourg!
>
> After a long time,
> Alex
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
Well I never heard of the word triline! Yep, the area around Vianden is
interesting...although each side views the river as their, so it's still a
question of how many bi-national trilines there are. As I said, we could also
say that there are 2 bi-national trilines around Pheasant Island. And there
would also be a question of whether the islands on the DE-LUX border are
enclaves!
Why are there boundary stones near the Sauer river? The stones are located few
meters inside the countryside. Is it the condominium boundaries or just the
boundary stone which is not located on the actual border?
Cheers,
Alex
--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen" <jesper@...> wrote:
>
> It's really a matter of viewpoint.
>
>
>
> If you are looking for the point where three borders come together, you can
> talk about the twin tripoints, but if
>
> you are looking for the place where three countries come together it's a
> triline.
>
>
>
> Also do you considder the condominium a entity of each one?
>
>
>
> You will also find two binational tripoints on the German-Luxembourg border
> around Vianden.
>
>
>
> Jesper
>
> _____
>
> Fra: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] P
> vegne af kubana2005
> Sendt: 26. marts 2013 16:07
> Til: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
> Emne: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
>
>
>
>
>
> Lowell,
>
> So the Belgium-Germany-Luxembourg don't share a tripoint, but a triline?!
> Its a quite complex situation!
>
> Alex
>
> --- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@> wrote:
> >
> > Alex,
> >
> > I suggest the use of the term triline instead of tripoint.
> >
> > Lowell G. McManus
> > Eagle Pass, Texas, USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: kubana2005
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:29 AM
> > To: Dallen Timothy ; borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
> > So would you say that there are 2 tripoints on that border or only 1? If
> you consider a condominium to be a separate entity, then there are indeed 2
> tripoints, but since the condominium is part of both Germany and Luxembourg,
> I would say that there is only 1 tripoint.
> >
> > Also, if you consider the condominium to be a separate entity, that would
> mean that Germany borders the Condominium, rather than Luxembourg!
> >
> > After a long time,
> > Alex
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
Vianden, the trilines etc
is old school among the border community.
Google for Vianden,
condominium etc with keyword boundarypoint, there will open op at new would of
information.
You may also find the old
topos showing the two binational tripoint markers.
Jesper
Fra:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] P vegne af kubana2005 Sendt: 27. marts 2013 11:53 Til:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com Emne: SV: [borderpoint] Re:
Germany-Luxembourg condominium
Well I never heard of the word triline! Yep, the area
around Vianden is interesting...although each side views the river as their, so
it's still a question of how many bi-national trilines there are. As I said, we
could also say that there are 2 bi-national trilines around Pheasant Island.
And there would also be a question of whether the islands on the DE-LUX border
are enclaves!
Why are there boundary stones near the Sauer river? The stones are located few
meters inside the countryside. Is it the condominium boundaries or just the
boundary stone which is not located on the actual border?
Cheers,
Alex
--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com,
"Jesper Nielsen"
<jesper@...> wrote:
>
> It's really a matter of viewpoint.
>
>
>
> If you are looking for the point where three borders come together, you
can
> talk about the twin tripoints, but if
>
> you are looking for the place where three countries come together it's a
> triline.
>
>
>
> Also do you considder the condominium a entity of each one?
>
>
>
> You will also find two binational tripoints on the German-Luxembourg
border
> around Vianden.
>
>
>
> Jesper
>
> _____
>
> Fra: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com]
P
> vegne af kubana2005
> Sendt: 26. marts 2013 16:07
> Til: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
> Emne: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
>
>
>
>
>
> Lowell,
>
> So the Belgium-Germany-Luxembourg don't share a tripoint, but a triline?!
> Its a quite complex situation!
>
> Alex
>
> --- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@> wrote:
> >
> > Alex,
> >
> > I suggest the use of the term triline instead of tripoint.
> >
> > Lowell G. McManus
> > Eagle Pass, Texas, USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: kubana2005
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:29 AM
> > To: Dallen
Timothy ; borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
> > So would you say that there are 2 tripoints on that border or only 1?
If
> you consider a condominium to be a separate entity, then there are indeed
2
> tripoints, but since the condominium is part of both Germany and
Luxembourg,
> I would say that there is only 1 tripoint.
> >
> > Also, if you consider the condominium to be a separate entity, that
would
> mean that Germany borders the Condominium, rather than Luxembourg!
> >
> > After a long time,
> > Alex
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
The best way to find this information is to visit the BoundaryPoint group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/ . That group has been inactive for six years, having been succeeded by this one, but its seven years of message archives (over 20,200 posts) are carefully preserved. They are searchable and open to anyone.
Vianden, the trilines etc is old school among the border community.
Google for Vianden, condominium etc with keyword boundarypoint, there will open op at new would of information.
You may also find the old topos showing the two binational tripoint markers.
Jesper
Fra:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] P vegne af kubana2005 Sendt: 27. marts 2013 11:53 Til:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com Emne: SV: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium
Well I never heard of the word triline! Yep, the area around Vianden is interesting...although each side views the river as their, so it's still a question of how many bi-national trilines there are. As I said, we could also say that there are 2 bi-national trilines around Pheasant Island. And there would also be a question of whether the islands on the DE-LUX border are enclaves!
Why are there boundary stones near the Sauer river? The stones are located few meters inside the countryside. Is it the condominium boundaries or just the boundary stone which is not located on the actual border?
Cheers, Alex
--- In mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen" <jesper@...> wrote: > > It's really a matter of viewpoint. > > > > If you are looking for the point where three borders come together, you can > talk about the twin tripoints, but if > > you are looking for the place where three countries come together it's a > triline. > > > > Also do you considder the condominium a entity of each one? > > > > You will also find two binational tripoints on the German-Luxembourg border > around Vianden. > > > > Jesper > > _____ > > Fra: mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com] P > vegne af kubana2005 > Sendt: 26. marts 2013 16:07 > Til: mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com > Emne: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium > > > > > > Lowell, > > So the Belgium-Germany-Luxembourg don't share a tripoint, but a triline?! > Its a quite complex situation! > > Alex > > --- In mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com> , > "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@> wrote: > > > > Alex, > > > > I suggest the use of the term triline instead of tripoint. > > > > Lowell G. McManus > > Eagle Pass, Texas, USA > > > > > > > > > > From: kubana2005 > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:29 AM > > To: Dallen Timothy ; mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com > <mailto:borderpoint%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [borderpoint] Re: Germany-Luxembourg condominium > > So would you say that there are 2 tripoints on that border or only 1? If > you consider a condominium to be a separate entity, then there are indeed 2 > tripoints, but since the condominium is part of both Germany and Luxembourg, > I would say that there is only 1 tripoint. > > > > Also, if you consider the condominium to be a separate entity, that would > mean that Germany borders the Condominium, rather than Luxembourg! > > > > After a long time, > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
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