From the International Herald Tribune, Fri 1 Sept.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/08/31/asia/AS_GEN_Turkmenistan_Kazakhstan_Bo\
rder.php


Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan announce ratification of border agreement

The Associated Press
Published: August 31, 2006

ASHGABAT, Turkmenistan The foreign ministers of Turkmenistan and
Kazakhstan ratified agreements to define the border between the two
resource-rich ex-Soviet Central Asian states, officials said Thursday.

The documents formalize the border between the two neighbors, more
than a decade after they became independent states following the 1991
Soviet collapse.

Turkmen Foreign Minister Rashid Meredov and his Kazakh counterpart,
Kasymzhomart Tokayev, on Thursday swapped the agreements marking the
426 kilometer (236 mile) border that crosses the eastern shore of the
oil and gas-rich Caspian sea, the government's press service said.

The ministers stressed that the two countries had never had border
disputes, an exception among the five ex-Soviet Central Asian states
often engaged in squabbles and conflicts about their borders.

Tokayev also met with Turkmen President Saparmurat Niyazov to discuss
cooperation in transporting natural gas and oil. Earlier this month,
Niyazov announced that a pipeline designed to deliver Turkmen natural
gas to China would be opened by Jan. 1, 2009. Kazakhstan inaugurated
an oil pipeline to China in December.

Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan are the second- and fourth-biggest gas
producers in the former Soviet Union, respectively, and their vast
resources are playing an increasingly important role in regional geopolitics.



Brendan

What? And what about Bouvet?? Not counted either? :-)
Now that would be something: NOc somewhere in the Tropics...
Peter

--- "Jan S. Krogh" <jakro64@...> wrote:

> Thanks for sharing your new discovery with us, Jesper ;-)
>
> I am pretty sure that the A refers to a city, like at Büsingen BM
> 119:
> http://geosite.jankrogh.com/enklaver/busingen/bm_119.htm
>
> The maybe only reasonable explanation is Aach, but this is a small
> town a
> bit too far from the border behind Singen and Engen. Could it be that
> Aach
> had a more important position in 1839 than today?
>
> BTW - NOc was inaugurated today, but I am pretty sure Svalbard and
> Jan Mayen
> are not included, only mainland Norway. It is calculated out from a
> reference point in each municipality by a state geographer  who said
> he was
> glad the midpoint did not show up to be somewhere in Sweden (because
> Norway's shape is curving:
> http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nrk_trondelag/1.943208
>
http://www.statkart.no/IPS/?module=Articles;action=Article.publicShow;ID=409
> 2
> http://www.nt-tur.no/html/norges_midtpunkt1.html
>
> Jan
>


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Ok, I finally sorted out my trignometrical problems, and have now
completed new and accurate Excel files calculating the exact
locations (nearest cm) of the various turning points and pillars of:
- the smallest Vennbahn enclave at Konzen
- the former Belgian traffic-island counter-enclave at Fringshaus

These files have been uploaded to the group's site (100kb and 75kb each).

They contain:
measurements and angles to locate all turning points and pillars for
the enclaves, and calculations to convert these all to x,y
coordinates in terms of one of the survey traverse lines.
A map generated from the above, showing and labelling pillars
(extinct and existing), and turning points.
Calculations of the perimeters and areas of the enclaves.

I have tried to explain the methods I used in the spreadsheet. Feel
free to ask question.
Let me know if you find these files useful/interesting.

There are a couple of turning points I cannot locate exactly given
the information I copy from the 1922 boundary atlas. If anyone gets a
chance to xerox/photograph the relevant pages I'd love a copy to check my data!

Brendan

--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase"
<jesper@...> wrote:
>
> Nice photo of the border between Great Britain and Serbia and
Montenegro.
>
> Perhaps just section A ?
>
> Jesper
>
> --
> Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints
> http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase
>
>
>   _____
>
> Fra: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] På
> vegne af Jan S. Krogh
> Sendt: 3. september 2006 21:32
> Til: Borderpoint
> Emne: [borderpoint] (CHDE): GB - A
>
>
>
>
> Hello folks!
>
> Does anybody of you have the idea what GB - A means on a
German-Swiss border
> marker?
> GB = Grossherzogtum Baden, but
> A = ???
>
> http://geosite. <http://geosite.jankrogh.com/borders/chde/bm_212.htm>
> jankrogh.com/borders/chde/bm_212.htm
>
> Regards,
> Jan
> http://geosite. <http://geosite.jankrogh.com> jankrogh.com
>

-----Original Message-----
From: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Peter Smaardijk
Sent: 5. september 2006 10:03
To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [borderpoint] (CHDE): GB - A 

 

What? And what about Bouvet?? Not counted either? :-)
Now that would be something: NOc somewhere in the Tropics...
Peter

Sorry.  it was an off-the-cuff guess.
I have some old maps of what's now Baden-Wuerttemburg, and I'll see
what I can find.  In the old Grand Duchy, there were a bunch of
enclaves, maybe the name of one started with A.  In the neighborhood
of what town were the photos taken?
Len



--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jan S. Krogh" <jakro64@...> wrote:
>
> Len,
> Thanks for the suggestion, but I am looking for a German name. This
> borderpoint is unfortunately far from Aargau.
> Jan
>

The A probably refers to a municipality. See, for instance,
http://tinyurl.com/hjfkk , for another example of such a stone.
A possible candidate would be Arlen, which was a municipality until
1936, when it was annexed to Rielasingen-Worblingen, see
http://rielasingen-worblingen.de/p/d1.asp?artikel_id=1051 .

Peter

--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>
wrote:
>
> Sorry.  it was an off-the-cuff guess.
> I have some old maps of what's now Baden-Wuerttemburg, and I'll see
> what I can find.  In the old Grand Duchy, there were a bunch of
> enclaves, maybe the name of one started with A.  In the neighborhood
> of what town were the photos taken?
> Len
>
>
>
> --- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jan S. Krogh" <jakro64@> wrote:
> >
> > Len,
> > Thanks for the suggestion, but I am looking for a German name.
This
> > borderpoint is unfortunately far from Aargau.
> > Jan
> >
>

-----Original Message-----
From: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of L. A. Nadybal
Sent: 6. september 2006 14:43
To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [borderpoint] Re: What does A mean?? Perhaps Canton Aargau.

Sorry. it was an off-the-cuff guess.
I have some old maps of what's now Baden-Wuerttemburg, and I'll see
what I can find. In the old Grand Duchy, there were a bunch of
enclaves, maybe the name of one started with A. In the neighborhood
of what town were the photos taken?
Len

--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jan S. Krogh" <jakro64@...> wrote:
>
> Len,
> Thanks for the suggestion, but I am looking for a German name. This
> borderpoint is unfortunately far from Aargau.
> Jan
>

-----Original Message-----
From: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Peter Smaardijk
Sent: 6. september 2006 19:33
To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [borderpoint] Re: What does A mean?? Perhaps Canton Aargau.

The A probably refers to a municipality. See, for instance,
http://tinyurl.com/hjfkk , for another example of such a stone.
A possible candidate would be Arlen, which was a municipality until
1936, when it was annexed to Rielasingen-Worblingen, see
http://rielasingen-worblingen.de/p/d1.asp?artikel_id=1051 .

Peter

--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>
wrote:
>
> Sorry. it was an off-the-cuff guess.
> I have some old maps of what's now Baden-Wuerttemburg, and I'll see
> what I can find. In the old Grand Duchy, there were a bunch of
> enclaves, maybe the name of one started with A. In the neighborhood
> of what town were the photos taken?
> Len
>
>
>
> --- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jan S. Krogh" <jakro64@> wrote:
> >
> > Len,
> > Thanks for the suggestion, but I am looking for a German name.
This
> > borderpoint is unfortunately far from Aargau.
> > Jan
> >
>

-----Original Message-----
From: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jan S. Krogh
Sent: 7. september 2006 10:51
To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [borderpoint] Re: What does A mean?? Perhaps Canton Aargau.

Peter,

it sounds very likely. Arlen is located southeast of Rielasingen and may very well have bordered Switzerland when the border markers were put there.  I will try to check it up with the local authorities.

 

http://www.goyellow.de/map/?long=9.1755&lat=47.6634&z=15

 

Jan

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Peter Smaardijk
Sent: 6. september 2006 19:33
To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [borderpoint] Re: What does A mean?? Perhaps Canton Aargau.

The A probably refers to a municipality. See, for instance,
http://tinyurl.com/hjfkk , for another example of such a stone.
A possible candidate would be Arlen, which was a municipality until
1936, when it was annexed to Rielasingen-Worblingen, see
http://rielasingen-worblingen.de/p/d1.asp?artikel_id=1051 .

Peter

--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>
wrote:
>
> Sorry. it was an off-the-cuff guess.
> I have some old maps of what's now Baden-Wuerttemburg, and I'll see
> what I can find. In the old Grand Duchy, there were a bunch of
> enclaves, maybe the name of one started with A. In the neighborhood
> of what town were the photos taken?
> Len
>
>
>
> --- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jan S. Krogh" <jakro64@> wrote:
> >
> > Len,
> > Thanks for the suggestion, but I am looking for a German name.
This
> > borderpoint is unfortunately far from Aargau.
> > Jan
> >
>

I was thinking something along the lines with Jesper, maybe marker A or section
A?
I just returned from a border excursion around Europe and found several markers
on the CH-DE border with GB.
I'll hopefully get pictures updated soon.

Dallen

________________________________

From: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase
Sent: Mon 9/4/2006 11:40 AM
To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: SV: [borderpoint] (CHDE): GB - A



Nice photo of the border between Great Britain and Serbia and Montenegro.

Perhaps just section A ?

Jesper

--
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http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase


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Fra: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] På vegne
af Jan S. Krogh
Sendt: 3. september 2006 21:32
Til: Borderpoint
Emne: [borderpoint] (CHDE): GB - A



Hello folks!

Does anybody of you have the idea what GB - A means on a German-Swiss border
marker?
GB = Grossherzogtum Baden, but
A = ???

http://geosite.jankrogh.com/borders/chde/bm_212.htm
<http://geosite.jankrogh.com/borders/chde/bm_212.htm>

Regards,
Jan
http://geosite.jankrogh.com <http://geosite.jankrogh.com>

Jan,

Try this...
http://zoom.bib-bvb.de/StyleServer/calcrgn?cat=bsb_kb&item=/12_Mapp_XI_3.sid&sty\
le=bsb/bsb_kb.xsl&wid=500&hei=400&oif=jpeg&props=item(Name,Description,Text),cat\
(Name)&plugin=false&browser=gen&rgn=0,0,1,1

It is from the Bavarian state map collection.
There are others there, too, covering Baden.
I looked at some, found nothing definitive on your A, but don't have
the time to keep it up.
Good luck
Len



--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jan S. Krogh" <jakro64@...> wrote:
>
> Len,
> Thanks for the suggestion, but I am looking for a German name. This
> borderpoint is unfortunately far from Aargau.
> Jan
>

-----Original Message-----
From: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of L. A. Nadybal
Sent: 10. september 2006 05:00
To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [borderpoint] Re: What does A mean?? Perhaps Canton Aargau.

Jan,

Try this...
http://zoom.bib-bvb.de/StyleServer/calcrgn?cat=bsb_kb&item=/12_Mapp_XI_3.sid&style=bsb/bsb_kb.xsl&wid=500&hei=400&oif=jpeg&props=item(Name,Description,Text),cat(Name)&plugin=false&browser=gen&rgn=0,0,1,1

It is from the Bavarian state map collection.
There are others there, too, covering Baden.
I looked at some, found nothing definitive on your A, but don't have
the time to keep it up.
Good luck
Len

--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jan S. Krogh" <jakro64@...> wrote:
>
> Len,
> Thanks for the suggestion, but I am looking for a German name. This
> borderpoint is unfortunately far from Aargau.
> Jan
>

I noticed that many of the borders between Switzerland and its neighbors were
infringed upon, albeit obviously legally, by armed customs officers of
neighboring states. Just for example, the Austrian border agents at the Ruggell
(FL) and Nofels (A) crossing are located at the Austrian customs station some 50
meters or so inside Liechtenstein. They share a structure with the CH/FL customs
people.

Another example was at the Basel CH-F crossing closest to the Rhein River. At
this point, French customs with its armed officers is located about 40-50 meters
inside Switzerland. Likewise, at the Lottstetten (D) crossing with Switzerland,
the Swiss customs is located about 15 meters inside Germany. Just down the road
at the Rheinau covered bridge crossing (which incidentally doesn't appear to
have a customs station on the Swiss side), the German officer we talked to
didn't understand what we were talking about. He was willing to walk to the
middle of the covered bridge with us but wouldn't step across the line because
it was forbidden to cross--that's when I brought up the question of the
Lottstetten crossing just down the road. He didn't get it.

At the main St Louis (F)-Basel (CH) crossing the customs people share a roof but
have two different structures under it, and the border essentially goes between
the two structures at a shart angle, slicing one corner of France's structure
off into Switzerland.

So, there must be some kind of bi-lateral arrangement for some crossing points
but not for others. The arrangements must allow armed officers of one country to
enter the territory of another country by some short distance to staff the
customs and passport offices that are located on foreign soil. I'm not aware of
this happening anywhere on the US-Canada or US-Mexico border. Even though
US-Canada share many structures, the border invariably goes between the two
offices and agents are NOT allowed to cross.

Can anyone shed any more light on this? The two agents I talked to were not very
helpful.

Dallen

---

From: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dallen Timothy
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:00 AM
To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [borderpoint] territorial integrity and border infringemetns in Europe

I noticed that many of the borders between Switzerland and its neighbors were infringed upon, albeit obviously legally, by armed customs officers of neighboring states. Just for example, the Austrian border agents at the Ruggell (FL) and Nofels (A) crossing are located at the Austrian customs station some 50 meters or so inside Liechtenstein. They share a structure with the CH/FL customs people.

Another example was at the Basel CH-F crossing closest to the Rhein River. At this point, French customs with its armed officers is located about 40-50 meters inside Switzerland. Likewise, at the Lottstetten (D) crossing with Switzerland, the Swiss customs is located about 15 meters inside Germany. Just down the road at the Rheinau covered bridge crossing (which incidentally doesn't appear to have a customs station on the Swiss side), the German officer we talked to didn't understand what we were talking about. He was willing to walk to the middle of the covered bridge with us but wouldn't step across the line because it was forbidden to cross--that's when I brought up the question of the Lottstetten crossing just down the road. He didn't get it.

At the main St Louis (F)-Basel (CH) crossing the customs people share a roof but have two different structures under it, and the border essentially goes between the two structures at a shart angle, slicing one corner of France's structure off into Switzerland.

So, there must be some kind of bi-lateral arrangement for some crossing points but not for others. The arrangements must allow armed officers of one country to enter the territory of another country by some short distance to staff the customs and passport offices that are located on foreign soil. I'm not aware of this happening anywhere on the US-Canada or US-Mexico border. Even though US-Canada share many structures, the border invariably goes between the two offices and agents are NOT allowed to cross.

Can anyone shed any more light on this? The two agents I talked to were not very helpful.

Dallen

---

From: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hugh Wallis
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:01 AM
To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [borderpoint] territorial integrity and border infringemetns in Europe

At numerous Canadian airports there are US Customs and Immigration officers administering preclearance procedures. I have not observed them being armed however (I will look more closely next time I am travelling south). Incidentally Canadian Immigration officers are NOT armed (which is a source of friction between their union and their employer, the Government of Canada). I believe these arrangements are covered under the 1999 Preclearance Act (http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/p-19.3/text.html) although oddly the website says this Act is "Not in Force" yet the signs at the airports clearly refer to it (or an Act of the same or similar name). The preclearance officers do appear to have special powers under Canadian law although Canadian law is paramount, which is especially comforting to us travellers, especially given the provisions of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms which (in theory) protects us from the worse excesses of extraterritorial application of US law while we are still on Canadian soil. I do recall, however, having heard stories in the press of people being "cleared" to enter the US through these preclearance faciities only to be arrested once their plane actually lands on US soil, but I can't cite specific examples.

 

I am not aware of any such facilities existing at land crossings.

 

Some other relevant links are

 

http://www.canadianembassy.org/border/transportation-en.asp

 

and

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_border_preclearance

 

Cheers

 

Hugh

---

From: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:borderpoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dallen Timothy
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:00 AM
To: borderpoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [borderpoint] territorial integrity and border infringemetns in Europe

I noticed that many of the borders between Switzerland and its neighbors were infringed upon, albeit obviously legally, by armed customs officers of neighboring states. Just for example, the Austrian border agents at the Ruggell (FL) and Nofels (A) crossing are located at the Austrian customs station some 50 meters or so inside Liechtenstein. They share a structure with the CH/FL customs people.

Another example was at the Basel CH-F crossing closest to the Rhein River. At this point, French customs with its armed officers is located about 40-50 meters inside Switzerland. Likewise, at the Lottstetten (D) crossing with Switzerland, the Swiss customs is located about 15 meters inside Germany. Just down the road at the Rheinau covered bridge crossing (which incidentally doesn't appear to have a customs station on the Swiss side), the German officer we talked to didn't understand what we were talking about. He was willing to walk to the middle of the covered bridge with us but wouldn't step across the line because it was forbidden to cross--that's when I brought up the question of the Lottstetten crossing just down the road. He didn't get it.

At the main St Louis (F)-Basel (CH) crossing the customs people share a roof but have two different structures under it, and the border essentially goes between the two structures at a shart angle, slicing one corner of France's structure off into Switzerland.

So, there must be some kind of bi-lateral arrangement for some crossing points but not for others. The arrangements must allow armed officers of one country to enter the territory of another country by some short distance to staff the customs and passport offices that are located on foreign soil. I'm not aware of this happening anywhere on the US-Canada or US-Mexico border. Even though US-Canada share many structures, the border invariably goes between the two offices and agents are NOT allowed to cross.

Can anyone shed any more light on this? The two agents I talked to were not very helpful.

Dallen

Dallen wrote:

> So, there must be some kind of bi-lateral arrangement for some
> crossing points but not for others. The arrangements must allow armed
> officers of one country to enter the territory of another country by
> some short distance to staff the customs and passport offices that are
> located on foreign soil. I'm not aware of this happening anywhere on
> the US-Canada or US-Mexico border. Even though US-Canada share many
> structures, the border invariably goes between the two offices and
> agents are NOT allowed to cross.

To which I reply:

In April 1983, I rode a train from Montréal to New York.  The train
stopped briefly at a rural highway crossing near
Notre-Dame-Du-Mont-Carmel, Québec, over seven miles north of the
boundary, to receive US Customs and Immigration personnel from a marked
US Customs automobile.  They did their work en route between there and
St. Albans, Vermont.  I do not remember that they were carrying their
arms.  (Canada's border guards are traditionally unarmed, but a program
to arm them was announced about a week ago.)

US federal law has long authorized reciprocal agreements for US Customs
inspections on foreign soil and foreign customs inspections on US soil.
The law (Title 19, section 1629, United States Code at
http://tinyurl.com/f93v3 ) makes it a US federal crime with a penalty of
up to five years in prison and $10,000 fine to deceive a foreign customs
official doing his job on US soil.

That having been said, if any armed US border personnel encroached into
Mexico, the Mexican government would have a conniption fit!

Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA

Good morning,

If you review Part II of the German "Bundesgesetzblatt", you can see
over the years that the Germany government entered into treaties with
  its neighboring states for the positioning of customs officials at
jointly operated customs posts, some inside Germany and some on
neighboring countries' territories.  Wheere a treaty allows this at
one speicially named crossing point doesn't mean it applies to all
points with one of the neighbors.

You mentioned specifically "armed" officers.  This is allowed in some
cases and not in others.

In the case of the U.S., we (I'm a US citizen) have customs officers
in foreign countries, too.  For instance, when tourists fly out of
Bermuda towards the U. S., they clear U. S. customs in Bermuda before
leaving.  U. S. officials stationed in New York but which are
"detached" to work in Hamilton do the clearing.

Under the NATO treaties, NATO troop "sending states" all have customs
officials accompanying the forces in the countries to which they have
sent troops.  They are armed, too, usually in the military.  They
control movement of troops duty free household goods shipments to the
foreign countries, as well as the contents of military mail send from
field post offices to the mother country.

Usually, receiving state customs officials inspect and control
incoming duty free military mail from the home countries of the
sending states' soldiers.  In the case of the U. S. and Germany, the
Germans have agreed by supplement to the treaty and in diplomatic
notes, to keep customs inspections of U. S. military post offices in
Germany to a minimum, and to give U. S. officials advancv notice of
inspections, so that they may be accompanied by U. S. customs
officials (who are in Germany).  In Germany's case, these "notes" are
also published in the Bundesgesetzblatt.

Regards,



Len Nadybal
Washington DC
lnadybal@...



,
--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Dallen Timothy"
<Dallen.Timothy@...> wrote:
>
> I noticed that many of the borders between Switzerland and its
neighbors were infringed upon, albeit obviously legally, by armed
customs officers of neighboring states. Just for example, the Austrian
border agents at the Ruggell (FL) and Nofels (A) crossing are located
at the Austrian customs station some 50 meters or so inside
Liechtenstein. They share a structure with the CH/FL customs people.
>
> Another example was at the Basel CH-F crossing closest to the Rhein
River. At this point, French customs with its armed officers is
located about 40-50 meters inside Switzerland. Likewise, at the
Lottstetten (D) crossing with Switzerland, the Swiss customs is
located about 15 meters inside Germany. Just down the road at the
Rheinau covered bridge crossing (which incidentally doesn't appear to
have a customs station on the Swiss side), the German officer we
talked to didn't understand what we were talking about. He was willing
to walk to the middle of the covered bridge with us but wouldn't step
across the line because it was forbidden to cross--that's when I
brought up the question of the Lottstetten crossing just down the
road. He didn't get it.
>
> At the main St Louis (F)-Basel (CH) crossing the customs people
share a roof but have two different structures under it, and the
border essentially goes between the two structures at a shart angle,
slicing one corner of France's structure off into Switzerland.
>
> So, there must be some kind of bi-lateral arrangement for some
crossing points but not for others. The arrangements must allow armed
officers of one country to enter the territory of another country by
some short distance to staff the customs and passport offices that are
located on foreign soil. I'm not aware of this happening anywhere on
the US-Canada or US-Mexico border. Even though US-Canada share many
structures, the border invariably goes between the two offices and
agents are NOT allowed to cross.
>
> Can anyone shed any more light on this? The two agents I talked to
were not very helpful.
>
> Dallen
>

Conversely, in many parts of the world there may be huge gaps between
the two customs stations / entry control points. Many years back, I
worked in North Africa and regularly crossed the Tunisian / Algerian
border at Mides. The Algerian control point was, as I recall, at
Négrine, 50 km west of the border. One then drove for an hour along
poor roads to reach the actual border, which was entirely unmarked.
Mides, the first village in Tunisia was well before the Tunisian entry
and customs control which was not till after Tamerza. So 60 km between
the two customs points, and two villages (both Tunisian) inbetween.
Nicky


--- In borderpoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jan S. Krogh" <jakro64@...> wrote:
>
> Dallen,
>
> This is very typical in Europe. Two countries are making a treaty
and the
> custom line is moved from the boundary to the custom station. At a
great
> number of borders there is even only customs personell from one
country
> controlling everybody in and out - to both countries. Sometimes the
custom
> station can be many kilometres from the boundary line.
>
> Jan
>