----- Original Message -----

From: captainrocky@...

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

What ever you decide DO NOT USE A STERNDRIVE INBOARD !!!!  I/O  as they are known in the

USA  are the worst choice for saltwater. I made a poem about them :

 

I O,  IO,-- it will never work you know

It will,you think

and then it sinks

IO ,IO 

Too much to go wrong. Seals ,hydraulics,electrical,linkage,gages and saltwater corrosion and electrolysis. Save your money. In my opinion ,you can't beat a 4 stroke outboard  . The smallest that will give you the performance you desire. Keep it as simple as possible. The main advantage of and outboard is there in no thru - hull fittings to worry about . Most boats sink at their docks with leaking thru - hull fittings. Capt. Rocky

---

From: "nezih" <gencahm@gmail.com>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:03:49 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Sir,

Agree with you and I will calculate the weight of Dieel Engine and also shaft angle.

Maybe stern drive inboard is OK.

Thanks

Nezih

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Albanese

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:43 PM

Subject: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Well, sir, okay. So Hawkeye seems one half meter too long. And the photo of Katie Z is irresistible!

Further, I only suggest you watch the diesel's weight and shaft angle carefully.

Best o' luck.

Mark

On Nov 11, 2012, at 4:24 AM, nezih wrote:

 

Dear Mr.Mark,

Thanks for your below comments.You know why I want to build MT?Bcs it lenght is less than five metric meters.

In my country,boat owners,more than five meters,paying taxes.MT is capable for trailer transportation easily and

it is enough for me at he moment(for 62 years old man).It is also easy to maintain it.

I mean,expectations after sixty is not so high!!!

Thanks again

Nezih

Nezih<1.jpg>

 



Way too heavy anyway...

Susanne Altenburger, Phil Bolger & Friends

----- Original Message -----

From: captainrocky@...

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

What ever you decide DO NOT USE A STERNDRIVE INBOARD !!!!  I/O  as they are known in the

USA  are the worst choice for saltwater. I made a poem about them :

 

I O,  IO,-- it will never work you know

It will,you think

and then it sinks

IO ,IO 

Too much to go wrong. Seals ,hydraulics,electrical,linkage,gages and saltwater corrosion and electrolysis. Save your money. In my opinion ,you can't beat a 4 stroke outboard  . The smallest that will give you the performance you desire. Keep it as simple as possible. The main advantage of and outboard is there in no thru - hull fittings to worry about . Most boats sink at their docks with leaking thru - hull fittings. Capt. Rocky

---

From: "nezih" <gencahm@gmail.com>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:03:49 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Sir,

Agree with you and I will calculate the weight of Dieel Engine and also shaft angle.

Maybe stern drive inboard is OK.

Thanks

Nezih

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Albanese

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:43 PM

Subject: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Well, sir, okay. So Hawkeye seems one half meter too long. And the photo of Katie Z is irresistible!

Further, I only suggest you watch the diesel's weight and shaft angle carefully.

Best o' luck.

Mark

On Nov 11, 2012, at 4:24 AM, nezih wrote:

 

Dear Mr.Mark,

Thanks for your below comments.You know why I want to build MT?Bcs it lenght is less than five metric meters.

In my country,boat owners,more than five meters,paying taxes.MT is capable for trailer transportation easily and

it is enough for me at he moment(for 62 years old man).It is also easy to maintain it.

I mean,expectations after sixty is not so high!!!

Thanks again

Nezih

Nezih<1.jpg>

----- Original Message -----

From: Douglas Pollard

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 12:21 PM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Well I don't agree in principal.  The present day inboard outboards may have problems but there is absolutely no reason why they should be less long lived than an outboard.  The leg and shafting and gears as well as bearings and seals are about the same. The engine being inboard is well protected from the weather and should last longer than one out in the salt spray and rain. If they are less dependable it is because they are flawed not due to any advantage of outboard motors over inboards. I think inboards are the reliable, the easiest to work on big alternators are easily fitted.  A good diesel is infinantly rebuildable. The small volvo in my boat is almost 40 years old. It is saltwater cooled and is still running and dependable.  I would say the difference could be that people don't pull the inboard outboars off and have the underwater seals replaced . With the outboard that is easily done, so to me that means poor maintenance rather than more trouble prone?          Doug  

On 11/12/2012 11:51 AM, philbolger@... wrote:

 



Way too heavy anyway...

Susanne Altenburger, Phil Bolger & Friends

----- Original Message -----

From: captainrocky@...

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

What ever you decide DO NOT USE A STERNDRIVE INBOARD !!!!  I/O  as they are known in the

USA  are the worst choice for saltwater. I made a poem about them :

 

I O,  IO,-- it will never work you know

It will,you think

and then it sinks

IO ,IO 

Too much to go wrong. Seals ,hydraulics,electrical,linkage,gages and saltwater corrosion and electrolysis. Save your money. In my opinion ,you can't beat a 4 stroke outboard  . The smallest that will give you the performance you desire. Keep it as simple as possible. The main advantage of and outboard is there in no thru - hull fittings to worry about . Most boats sink at their docks with leaking thru - hull fittings. Capt. Rocky

---

From: "nezih" <gencahm@gmail.com>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:03:49 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Sir,

Agree with you and I will calculate the weight of Dieel Engine and also shaft angle.

Maybe stern drive inboard is OK.

Thanks

Nezih

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Albanese

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:43 PM

Subject: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Well, sir, okay. So Hawkeye seems one half meter too long. And the photo of Katie Z is irresistible!

Further, I only suggest you watch the diesel's weight and shaft angle carefully.

Best o' luck.

Mark

On Nov 11, 2012, at 4:24 AM, nezih wrote:

 

Dear Mr.Mark,

Thanks for your below comments.You know why I want to build MT?Bcs it lenght is less than five metric meters.

In my country,boat owners,more than five meters,paying taxes.MT is capable for trailer transportation easily and

it is enough for me at he moment(for 62 years old man).It is also easy to maintain it.

I mean,expectations after sixty is not so high!!!

Thanks again

Nezih

Nezih<1.jpg>

 

Hard to beat modern 4 stroke outboards (Honda, Tohatsu, etc.) for fuel economy, serviceability, power to weight ratio and reliability. Also no worries with bilge venting, through hulls and fuel tank placement. Another plus is portability to a different vessel in the future. I run a Tohatsu MFS 20 HP on a 15' Diablo and am quite happy with the quiet, reliable, powerful and efficient performance.  

---

From: "philbolger@..." <philbolger@...>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 10:10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 



For what a Diesel inboard/outboard drive alone costs, the tax-man could be 'greased' for likely a decade or two...

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F

----- Original Message -----

From: Douglas Pollard

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 12:21 PM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Well I don't agree in principal.  The present day inboard outboards may have problems but there is absolutely no reason why they should be less long lived than an outboard.  The leg and shafting and gears as well as bearings and seals are about the same. The engine being inboard is well protected from the weather and should last longer than one out in the salt spray and rain. If they are less dependable it is because they are flawed not due to any advantage of outboard motors over inboards. I think inboards are the reliable, the easiest to work on big alternators are easily fitted.  A good diesel is infinantly rebuildable. The small volvo in my boat is almost 40 years old. It is saltwater cooled and is still running and dependable.  I would say the difference could be that people don't pull the inboard outboars off and have the underwater seals replaced . With the outboard that is easily done, so to me that means poor maintenance rather than more trouble prone?          Doug  

On 11/12/2012 11:51 AM, philbolger@... wrote:

 



Way too heavy anyway...

Susanne Altenburger, Phil Bolger & Friends

----- Original Message -----

From: captainrocky@...

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

What ever you decide DO NOT USE A STERNDRIVE INBOARD !!!!  I/O  as they are known in the

USA  are the worst choice for saltwater. I made a poem about them :

 

I O,  IO,-- it will never work you know

It will,you think

and then it sinks

IO ,IO 

Too much to go wrong. Seals ,hydraulics,electrical,linkage,gages and saltwater corrosion and electrolysis. Save your money. In my opinion ,you can't beat a 4 stroke outboard  . The smallest that will give you the performance you desire. Keep it as simple as possible. The main advantage of and outboard is there in no thru - hull fittings to worry about . Most boats sink at their docks with leaking thru - hull fittings. Capt. Rocky

---

From: "nezih" <gencahm@gmail.com>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:03:49 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Sir,

Agree with you and I will calculate the weight of Dieel Engine and also shaft angle.

Maybe stern drive inboard is OK.

Thanks

Nezih

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Albanese

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:43 PM

Subject: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Well, sir, okay. So Hawkeye seems one half meter too long. And the photo of Katie Z is irresistible!

Further, I only suggest you watch the diesel's weight and shaft angle carefully.

Best o' luck.

Mark

On Nov 11, 2012, at 4:24 AM, nezih wrote:

 

Dear Mr.Mark,

Thanks for your below comments.You know why I want to build MT?Bcs it lenght is less than five metric meters.

In my country,boat owners,more than five meters,paying taxes.MT is capable for trailer transportation easily and

it is enough for me at he moment(for 62 years old man).It is also easy to maintain it.

I mean,expectations after sixty is not so high!!!

Thanks again

Nezih

Nezih<1.jpg>

What ever you decide DO NOT USE A STERNDRIVE INBOARD !!!!  I/O  as they are known in the

USA  are the worst choice for saltwater. I made a poem about them :

 

I O,  IO,-- it will never work you know

It will,you think

and then it sinks

IO ,IO 

Too much to go wrong. Seals ,hydraulics,electrical,linkage,gages and saltwater corrosion and electrolysis. Save your money. In my opinion ,you can't beat a 4 stroke outboard  . The smallest that will give you the performance you desire. Keep it as simple as possible. The main advantage of and outboard is there in no thru - hull fittings to worry about . Most boats sink at their docks with leaking thru - hull fittings. Capt. Rocky

---

We all have different takes on things. I would say that any standard US IO is way to big for the Micro trawler. I have no general brief against IO's however. The US IO's tend to be American Iron and they are very easy to work on. Any modern outboard requires schooling to work on as well as special tools.

Many years ago I got rid of the outboard I had on my 26' Pacific Dory I used on a set net and put in a Mercruiser IO because of the ease of work, less cost and the fact I could put a PTO on the front for hydraulics and there by get rid of the engine driven hydraulic power pac I had.

I will say that you can't leave an IO in saltwater if you can't tilt it clear, same for an outboard. Works good on trailed boats.

HJ

----- Original Message -----

From: philbolger@...

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:28 PM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Nezih,

   I once had the chance to visit Istanbul for just a few days and never forgot it, including a Sight-Seeing tour around the Golden Horn.  Very intense and distinct experience of indeed 'Orient' meeting 'Occident' in this old and important city.  
Yes,Mrs.Altenburger,I am agree with you.Hence I want to spend the rest of my life by making tours with MT,during the summer time.In addition to Bosphore there is one another place called princes Islands(7 small islands).They are near to Bosphore.Especially in summer time.Beatiful place.
How much does the annual tax on boats above    the 5sm mark really cost you ?
MICROTRAWLER is designed for planing with at least light outboard 50HP - versus either much heavier inboard diesel-power for the same speed or no speed at the same weight incl. gearbox, prop, rudder etc.  I do not recollect the current through the Marmara Strait but the Black and Mediterranean connect there with likely things getting 'lively on occasion, if not every 6.3hrs.  So you'd need light-weight/OB speed ?
Annual tax over 5 meters is approx.200-250 usd.If you compare with USA maybe it is small amount.But regret to inform you it is not a fixed rate.Government can increase it every year like annual car taxes.In addition to that there is insurance etc.Before,we were paying taxes according to the HP of Engine.If HP is 9.9 or less that there were no taxes.Now they are collecting taxes according to the lenght of Boat.It is not easy to find cheap marinas here.If you add marine expences inc.tax.,it is taking a remarkable  annual amount.

For Engine,there are light Air Cooled engines made from Aliminium.Before I make my final decision I will compare the weight of Air cooled  Engine and Outboard.If there is slight difference no problem.Bcs the ply weight of sleeping area will compensate.
Do they tax the boat-hull on the trailer ? 
Is it trailer-/marina-length or overall length running ?
And could you have a folding bow to make her longer once she is in the water.

If Trailer weight is over 440 kgs,there is tax and has to be registered to traffic.Lenght is not probem.But I think,width will not be more than 2.40 meters.

Authorities are measuring the lenght of the boat,during the registeration and giving official documents writing the details of the Boat.  

Accepting the extra 1m of length in taxes, a simple powersharpie of say 20-feet and 5-6 feet of width with a 10hp outboard might still be cheaper overall than a short wide horsepower-hungry hull that has no seriously useable cabin - even to just take a nap - but saves some money on taxes.  Such a hull will not weigh more than a short wide dense MT.  And that hull would look as good/'cute' as MT....  But not quite as easy to park - unless we fold the bow up when she is on the trailer...

Options, calculations, decision...

Susanne Altenburger, Phil Bolger & Friends
 
----- Original Message -----

From: nezih

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 12:35 PM

Subject: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Thanks for your diesel engine confirmation.Bcs they are safe and cheap fuel facility and long run,even in hot weather.

I am from Turkey,Istanbul and climate is stable,except 1 or 2 weeks stromy weather.During the summer time,temparature

is approximately 28-35 celsius degree and we do not have big storms like USA.There is one inland sea(sea of Marmara)

and MT is quite suitable.Off course,Bosphourus is a narrow strait(lenght 15 kilometers,width 600-800 meters).

Kindly inform you that,your below comments has been dully noted.I will take care of them.

 

Nezih

 

----- Original Message -----

From: michaelnotigan

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 6:33 PM

Subject: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Nezih,
Ah yes, inboard air cooled diesel! Much safer in enclosing a diesel versus a gasoline powered engine. Should be very economical to run compared to gas. I also understand your desire to use the smaller MT versus a larger Hawkeye design; here in the US, in my home state of NJ, boat registration fees are also set by the length of the boat. It sounds like you are going to have one interesting MT when she is done! At this time the only thing I may suggest is giving the engine good ventilation, with possible consideration in mounting the engine intake high (possibly via pipe as high as the cabin or thereabouts) to avoid any chance of water intrusion into the air intake of your engine. A good and sturdy, watertight engine box should be considered, too. I am not sure what the climate is like in your Med. area, here in the Northeast US, weather systems are constantly changing, bringing weather from absolute calm, to violent thunderstorms in the spring and summer, hurricanes in the fall and strong northwesteries in the winter. A nice, weather tight cabin is a definite plus along with proper enclosures for inboard boat engines.

----- Original Message -----

From: philbolger@...

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Looking at the Bosporus right through Istanbul we'd find 8+kts of current.  And the Sea of Marmara seems large enough to likely suggest keeping relative seaworthiness in mind.  Very interesting, historic waters, full of large-ship commercial and naval traffic connecting the two large seas, with lots of ferries and working-craft running every which way and thus rich in opportunities for adventure and of course challenges.  Hard to resist. 

But should the tax-man dictate the geometry of an easily-built low-power boat to be part of this large and fast-paced traffic-pattern ?

Balancing priorities... ?!

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F

----- Original Message -----

From: philbolger@...

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 2:28 PM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Nezih,

   I once had the chance to visit Istanbul for just a few days and never forgot it, including a Sight-Seeing tour around the Golden Horn.  Very intense and distinct experience of indeed 'Orient' meeting 'Occident' in this old and important city.  

How much does the annual tax on boats above the 5m mark really cost you ?
MICROTRAWLER is designed for planing with at least light outboard 50HP - versus either much heavier inboard diesel-power for the same speed or no speed at the same weight incl. gearbox, prop, rudder etc.  I do not recollect the current through the Marmara Strait but the Black and Mediterranean connect there with likely things getting 'lively on occasion, if not every 6.3hrs.  So you'd need light-weight/OB speed ?

Do they tax the boat-hull on the trailer ? 
Is it trailer-/marina-length or overall length running ?
And could you have a folding bow to make her longer once she is in the water.  

Accepting the extra 1m of length in taxes, a simple powersharpie of say 20-feet and 5-6 feet of width with a 10hp outboard might still be cheaper overall than a short wide horsepower-hungry hull that has no seriously useable cabin - even to just take a nap - but saves some money on taxes.  Such a hull will not weigh more than a short wide dense MT.  And that hull would look as good/'cute' as MT....  But not quite as easy to park - unless we fold the bow up when she is on the trailer...

Options, calculations, decision...

Susanne Altenburger, Phil Bolger & Friends
 
----- Original Message -----

From: nezih

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 12:35 PM

Subject: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Thanks for your diesel engine confirmation.Bcs they are safe and cheap fuel facility and long run,even in hot weather.

I am from Turkey,Istanbul and climate is stable,except 1 or 2 weeks stromy weather.During the summer time,temparature

is approximately 28-35 celsius degree and we do not have big storms like USA.There is one inland sea(sea of Marmara)

and MT is quite suitable.Off course,Bosphourus is a narrow strait(lenght 15 kilometers,width 600-800 meters).

Kindly inform you that,your below comments has been dully noted.I will take care of them.

 

Nezih

 

----- Original Message -----

From: michaelnotigan

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 6:33 PM

Subject: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Nezih,
Ah yes, inboard air cooled diesel! Much safer in enclosing a diesel versus a gasoline powered engine. Should be very economical to run compared to gas. I also understand your desire to use the smaller MT versus a larger Hawkeye design; here in the US, in my home state of NJ, boat registration fees are also set by the length of the boat. It sounds like you are going to have one interesting MT when she is done! At this time the only thing I may suggest is giving the engine good ventilation, with possible consideration in mounting the engine intake high (possibly via pipe as high as the cabin or thereabouts) to avoid any chance of water intrusion into the air intake of your engine. A good and sturdy, watertight engine box should be considered, too. I am not sure what the climate is like in your Med. area, here in the Northeast US, weather systems are constantly changing, bringing weather from absolute calm, to violent thunderstorms in the spring and summer, hurricanes in the fall and strong northwesteries in the winter. A nice, weather tight cabin is a definite plus along with proper enclosures for inboard boat engines.

----- Original Message -----

From: Douglas Pollard

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 7:21 PM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Well I don't agree in principal.  The present day inboard outboards may have problems but there is absolutely no reason why they should be less long lived than an outboard.  The leg and shafting and gears as well as bearings and seals are about the same. The engine being inboard is well protected from the weather and should last longer than one out in the salt spray and rain. If they are less dependable it is because they are flawed not due to any advantage of outboard motors over inboards. I think inboards are the reliable, the easiest to work on big alternators are easily fitted.  A good diesel is infinantly rebuildable. The small volvo in my boat is almost 40 years old. It is saltwater cooled and is still running and dependable.  I would say the difference could be that people don't pull the inboard outboars off and have the underwater seals replaced . With the outboard that is easily done, so to me that means poor maintenance rather than more trouble prone?          Doug  

On 11/12/2012 11:51 AM, philbolger@... wrote:

 



Way too heavy anyway...

Susanne Altenburger, Phil Bolger & Friends

----- Original Message -----

From: captainrocky@...

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

What ever you decide DO NOT USE A STERNDRIVE INBOARD !!!!  I/O  as they are known in the

USA  are the worst choice for saltwater. I made a poem about them :

 

I O,  IO,-- it will never work you know

It will,you think

and then it sinks

IO ,IO 

Too much to go wrong. Seals ,hydraulics,electrical,linkage,gages and saltwater corrosion and electrolysis. Save your money. In my opinion ,you can't beat a 4 stroke outboard  . The smallest that will give you the performance you desire. Keep it as simple as possible. The main advantage of and outboard is there in no thru - hull fittings to worry about . Most boats sink at their docks with leaking thru - hull fittings. Capt. Rocky

---

From: "nezih" <gencahm@gmail.com>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:03:49 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Sir,

Agree with you and I will calculate the weight of Dieel Engine and also shaft angle.

Maybe stern drive inboard is OK.

Thanks

Nezih

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Albanese

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:43 PM

Subject: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Well, sir, okay. So Hawkeye seems one half meter too long. And the photo of Katie Z is irresistible!

Further, I only suggest you watch the diesel's weight and shaft angle carefully.

Best o' luck.

Mark

On Nov 11, 2012, at 4:24 AM, nezih wrote:

 

Dear Mr.Mark,

Thanks for your below comments.You know why I want to build MT?Bcs it lenght is less than five metric meters.

In my country,boat owners,more than five meters,paying taxes.MT is capable for trailer transportation easily and

it is enough for me at he moment(for 62 years old man).It is also easy to maintain it.

I mean,expectations after sixty is not so high!!!

Thanks again

Nezih

Nezih<1.jpg>

----- Original Message -----

From: JOHN WALLIS

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 8:36 PM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Hard to beat modern 4 stroke outboards (Honda, Tohatsu, etc.) for fuel economy, serviceability, power to weight ratio and reliability. Also no worries with bilge venting, through hulls and fuel tank placement. Another plus is portability to a different vessel in the future. I run a Tohatsu MFS 20 HP on a 15' Diablo and am quite happy with the quiet, reliable, powerful and efficient performance.  

---

From: "philbolger@..." <philbolger@...>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 10:10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 



For what a Diesel inboard/outboard drive alone costs, the tax-man could be 'greased' for likely a decade or two...

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F

----- Original Message -----

From: Douglas Pollard

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 12:21 PM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Well I don't agree in principal.  The present day inboard outboards may have problems but there is absolutely no reason why they should be less long lived than an outboard.  The leg and shafting and gears as well as bearings and seals are about the same. The engine being inboard is well protected from the weather and should last longer than one out in the salt spray and rain. If they are less dependable it is because they are flawed not due to any advantage of outboard motors over inboards. I think inboards are the reliable, the easiest to work on big alternators are easily fitted.  A good diesel is infinantly rebuildable. The small volvo in my boat is almost 40 years old. It is saltwater cooled and is still running and dependable.  I would say the difference could be that people don't pull the inboard outboars off and have the underwater seals replaced . With the outboard that is easily done, so to me that means poor maintenance rather than more trouble prone?          Doug  

On 11/12/2012 11:51 AM, philbolger@... wrote:

 



Way too heavy anyway...

Susanne Altenburger, Phil Bolger & Friends

----- Original Message -----

From: captainrocky@...

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

What ever you decide DO NOT USE A STERNDRIVE INBOARD !!!!  I/O  as they are known in the

USA  are the worst choice for saltwater. I made a poem about them :

 

I O,  IO,-- it will never work you know

It will,you think

and then it sinks

IO ,IO 

Too much to go wrong. Seals ,hydraulics,electrical,linkage,gages and saltwater corrosion and electrolysis. Save your money. In my opinion ,you can't beat a 4 stroke outboard  . The smallest that will give you the performance you desire. Keep it as simple as possible. The main advantage of and outboard is there in no thru - hull fittings to worry about . Most boats sink at their docks with leaking thru - hull fittings. Capt. Rocky

---

From: "nezih" <gencahm@gmail.com>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:03:49 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Sir,

Agree with you and I will calculate the weight of Dieel Engine and also shaft angle.

Maybe stern drive inboard is OK.

Thanks

Nezih

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Albanese

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:43 PM

Subject: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Well, sir, okay. So Hawkeye seems one half meter too long. And the photo of Katie Z is irresistible!

Further, I only suggest you watch the diesel's weight and shaft angle carefully.

Best o' luck.

Mark

On Nov 11, 2012, at 4:24 AM, nezih wrote:

 

Dear Mr.Mark,

Thanks for your below comments.You know why I want to build MT?Bcs it lenght is less than five metric meters.

In my country,boat owners,more than five meters,paying taxes.MT is capable for trailer transportation easily and

it is enough for me at he moment(for 62 years old man).It is also easy to maintain it.

I mean,expectations after sixty is not so high!!!

Thanks again

Nezih

Nezih<1.jpg>

----- Original Message -----

From: Douglas Pollard

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 10:10 PM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

   I guess some of where I am coming from is that I like old engines. I like the thump, thump. of a slow turning single cylinder engine. I grew up with one lung gasoline engines and some kerosene engines. My boat engine has a top speed of 2000 rpms and I never run it over 1800 for me that falls right in place with using sail. There was an old fireboat in the Bahamas about 20 years ago named O-ble -O
 and that was the sound the old engine made. O-ble-O  O-bLe- O- Oble-O. She was an old New York Fire boat about 70ft long and the single cylinder engine likely turned over about 150 rpms when cruising. I used to have a video sound  but moisture and time go to it.  Forever lost.     Doug
 
 On 11/12/2012 01:36 PM, JOHN WALLIS wrote:

 

Hard to beat modern 4 stroke outboards (Honda, Tohatsu, etc.) for fuel economy, serviceability, power to weight ratio and reliability. Also no worries with bilge venting, through hulls and fuel tank placement. Another plus is portability to a different vessel in the future. I run a Tohatsu MFS 20 HP on a 15' Diablo and am quite happy with the quiet, reliable, powerful and efficient performance.  

---

From: "philbolger@..." <philbolger@...>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 10:10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 



For what a Diesel inboard/outboard drive alone costs, the tax-man could be 'greased' for likely a decade or two...

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F

----- Original Message -----

From: Douglas Pollard

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 12:21 PM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Well I don't agree in principal.  The present day inboard outboards may have problems but there is absolutely no reason why they should be less long lived than an outboard.  The leg and shafting and gears as well as bearings and seals are about the same. The engine being inboard is well protected from the weather and should last longer than one out in the salt spray and rain. If they are less dependable it is because they are flawed not due to any advantage of outboard motors over inboards. I think inboards are the reliable, the easiest to work on big alternators are easily fitted.  A good diesel is infinantly rebuildable. The small volvo in my boat is almost 40 years old. It is saltwater cooled and is still running and dependable.  I would say the difference could be that people don't pull the inboard outboars off and have the underwater seals replaced . With the outboard that is easily done, so to me that means poor maintenance rather than more trouble prone?          Doug  

On 11/12/2012 11:51 AM, philbolger@... wrote:

 



Way too heavy anyway...

Susanne Altenburger, Phil Bolger & Friends

----- Original Message -----

From: captainrocky@...

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

What ever you decide DO NOT USE A STERNDRIVE INBOARD !!!!  I/O  as they are known in the

USA  are the worst choice for saltwater. I made a poem about them :

 

I O,  IO,-- it will never work you know

It will,you think

and then it sinks

IO ,IO 

Too much to go wrong. Seals ,hydraulics,electrical,linkage,gages and saltwater corrosion and electrolysis. Save your money. In my opinion ,you can't beat a 4 stroke outboard  . The smallest that will give you the performance you desire. Keep it as simple as possible. The main advantage of and outboard is there in no thru - hull fittings to worry about . Most boats sink at their docks with leaking thru - hull fittings. Capt. Rocky

---

From: "nezih" <gencahm@gmail.com>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:03:49 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Sir,

Agree with you and I will calculate the weight of Dieel Engine and also shaft angle.

Maybe stern drive inboard is OK.

Thanks

Nezih

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Albanese

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:43 PM

Subject: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Well, sir, okay. So Hawkeye seems one half meter too long. And the photo of Katie Z is irresistible!

Further, I only suggest you watch the diesel's weight and shaft angle carefully.

Best o' luck.

Mark

On Nov 11, 2012, at 4:24 AM, nezih wrote:

 

Dear Mr.Mark,

Thanks for your below comments.You know why I want to build MT?Bcs it lenght is less than five metric meters.

In my country,boat owners,more than five meters,paying taxes.MT is capable for trailer transportation easily and

it is enough for me at he moment(for 62 years old man).It is also easy to maintain it.

I mean,expectations after sixty is not so high!!!

Thanks again

Nezih

Nezih<1.jpg>

 



Sir,I respect your choice.But one cylinder engine is a little bit noisy,I think.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Douglas Pollard

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 10:10 PM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

   I guess some of where I am coming from is that I like old engines. I like the thump, thump. of a slow turning single cylinder engine. I grew up with one lung gasoline engines and some kerosene engines. My boat engine has a top speed of 2000 rpms and I never run it over 1800 for me that falls right in place with using sail. There was an old fireboat in the Bahamas about 20 years ago named O-ble -O
 and that was the sound the old engine made. O-ble-O  O-bLe- O- Oble-O. She was an old New York Fire boat about 70ft long and the single cylinder engine likely turned over about 150 rpms when cruising. I used to have a video sound  but moisture and time go to it.  Forever lost.     Doug
 
 On 11/12/2012 01:36 PM, JOHN WALLIS wrote:

 

Hard to beat modern 4 stroke outboards (Honda, Tohatsu, etc.) for fuel economy, serviceability, power to weight ratio and reliability. Also no worries with bilge venting, through hulls and fuel tank placement. Another plus is portability to a different vessel in the future. I run a Tohatsu MFS 20 HP on a 15' Diablo and am quite happy with the quiet, reliable, powerful and efficient performance.  

---

From: "philbolger@..." <philbolger@...>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 12, 2012 10:10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 



For what a Diesel inboard/outboard drive alone costs, the tax-man could be 'greased' for likely a decade or two...

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F

----- Original Message -----

From: Douglas Pollard

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 12:21 PM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Well I don't agree in principal.  The present day inboard outboards may have problems but there is absolutely no reason why they should be less long lived than an outboard.  The leg and shafting and gears as well as bearings and seals are about the same. The engine being inboard is well protected from the weather and should last longer than one out in the salt spray and rain. If they are less dependable it is because they are flawed not due to any advantage of outboard motors over inboards. I think inboards are the reliable, the easiest to work on big alternators are easily fitted.  A good diesel is infinantly rebuildable. The small volvo in my boat is almost 40 years old. It is saltwater cooled and is still running and dependable.  I would say the difference could be that people don't pull the inboard outboars off and have the underwater seals replaced . With the outboard that is easily done, so to me that means poor maintenance rather than more trouble prone?          Doug  

On 11/12/2012 11:51 AM, philbolger@... wrote:

 



Way too heavy anyway...

Susanne Altenburger, Phil Bolger & Friends

----- Original Message -----

From: captainrocky@...

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

What ever you decide DO NOT USE A STERNDRIVE INBOARD !!!!  I/O  as they are known in the

USA  are the worst choice for saltwater. I made a poem about them :

 

I O,  IO,-- it will never work you know

It will,you think

and then it sinks

IO ,IO 

Too much to go wrong. Seals ,hydraulics,electrical,linkage,gages and saltwater corrosion and electrolysis. Save your money. In my opinion ,you can't beat a 4 stroke outboard  . The smallest that will give you the performance you desire. Keep it as simple as possible. The main advantage of and outboard is there in no thru - hull fittings to worry about . Most boats sink at their docks with leaking thru - hull fittings. Capt. Rocky

---

From: "nezih" <gencahm@gmail.com>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:03:49 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Sir,

Agree with you and I will calculate the weight of Dieel Engine and also shaft angle.

Maybe stern drive inboard is OK.

Thanks

Nezih

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Albanese

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:43 PM

Subject: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Well, sir, okay. So Hawkeye seems one half meter too long. And the photo of Katie Z is irresistible!

Further, I only suggest you watch the diesel's weight and shaft angle carefully.

Best o' luck.

Mark

On Nov 11, 2012, at 4:24 AM, nezih wrote:

 

Dear Mr.Mark,

Thanks for your below comments.You know why I want to build MT?Bcs it lenght is less than five metric meters.

In my country,boat owners,more than five meters,paying taxes.MT is capable for trailer transportation easily and

it is enough for me at he moment(for 62 years old man).It is also easy to maintain it.

I mean,expectations after sixty is not so high!!!

Thanks again

Nezih

Nezih<1.jpg>

 

Yesterday,I have been informed that boat builders here are installing old VW Beetle Engines(after marinise)

as Inboard Engine.They are not heavy,like outbards.I think this engine eliminates the weight problem of other

Inboard Engines

Awaiting comments.

Nezih

> Usually the valves were burned and new rings needed the lower end

> bearings and crank held up well.  So in a day or so she was back on

> the road again and that was OK for a car.



Engines for cars are engineered far less robustly than engines under constant

high loads such as for tractors pulling ploughs, and boats pushing up waves.

Those don't get to cruise along at low load on a flat or to go downhill most of

the time. I guess an ordinary (marinised) car engine might do if it is rated for

much more power than is required in a boat, and then de-tuned, but that gets

back to power to weight considerations...

 

Yeh, it was great to have it and the transaxle balanced atop a rolling jack. The heat is what burned the valves out. I expect in a boat one may also seem pretty loud.

 

On Nov 15, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Douglas Pollard wrote:

 

What the engine had going for it was it could be dropped out for rebuilding in 15 minutes.  Usually the valves were burned and new rings needed the lower end bearings and crank held up well... ...I would think it would make a far better engine for an air boat. In this case it can be standing above the boat where it can get free air circulation.  

         Doug


On 11/15/2012 12:52 PM, nezih wrote:

 

Yesterday,I have been informed that boat builders here are installing old VW Beetle Engines(after marinise)

as Inboard Engine.They are not heavy,like outbards.I think this engine eliminates the weight problem of other

Inboard Engines

Awaiting comments.

Nezih

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "nezih" <gencahm@...> wrote:

>

> Nezih, further thought into the matter brought me to an engine Yanmar used to

produce.....a diesel outboard. I believe these were probably more popular in

your part of the world then here in the US. When I first started construction of

my MT I seriously considered this engine. The high cost (over 10 grand) did me

in and shortly thereafter I purchased a new 40 hp 4 stroke Suzuki DF40 gasoline

outboard instead, at 1/3 the cost of the Yanmar. If you can locate one of these

Yanmars, it would meet a lot of your criteria: it's diesel so there will be a

cost savings for fuel along with greater economy.....it's all self contained

meaning there will be no engineering think trying to design a power plant

(inboard power) into a boat design that was never considered for anything but

outboard power. And, finally, it came from a reputable manufacturer in Yanmar.

Rarely do they come up for sale on Ebay and when they do, they are not cheap.

But it is something to consider if you can acquire one. I believe your small,

lightweight air-cooled diesel outboard was feasible on the MT, but in my humble

opinion, automotive style engines like the water cooled Subaru flat four would

add a lot of weight. I don't think the VW flat four is going to neatly fit into

the lower cutwater hull of MT, let alone the Subie flat 4.....

>

----- Original Message -----

From: Douglas Pollard

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 4:24 AM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

I read someplace that the engine designer was an airplane designer. It sure looks like and airplane engine. Back in the 1980's somebody built a water cooled aluminum block to bolt on to the crank case in place of the air cooled jugs.  They also had water cooled heads for it. I saw one of the engines in a Dunebuggy shop In Fort Lauderdale. That engine might well make a nice boat engine.  
                                                Doug

On 11/15/2012 09:00 PM, Mark Albanese wrote:

 

Yeh, it was great to have it and the transaxle balanced atop a rolling jack. The heat is what burned the valves out. I expect in a boat one may also seem pretty loud.

On Nov 15, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Douglas Pollard wrote:

 

What the engine had going for it was it could be dropped out for rebuilding in 15 minutes.  Usually the valves were burned and new rings needed the lower end bearings and crank held up well... ...I would think it would make a far better engine for an air boat. In this case it can be standing above the boat where it can get free air circulation.  

         Doug


On 11/15/2012 12:52 PM, nezih wrote:

 

Yesterday,I have been informed that boat builders here are installing old VW Beetle Engines(after marinise)

as Inboard Engine.They are not heavy,like outbards.I think this engine eliminates the weight problem of other

Inboard Engines

Awaiting comments.

Nezih

----- Original Message -----

From: nezih

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 3:35 AM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Sir,

Any picture of the Engine,you saw in Fort Lauderdale in a Dunebuggy shop.

Highly appreciated

Nezih

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Douglas Pollard

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 4:24 AM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

I read someplace that the engine designer was an airplane designer. It sure looks like and airplane engine. Back in the 1980's somebody built a water cooled aluminum block to bolt on to the crank case in place of the air cooled jugs.  They also had water cooled heads for it. I saw one of the engines in a Dunebuggy shop In Fort Lauderdale. That engine might well make a nice boat engine.  
                                                Doug

On 11/15/2012 09:00 PM, Mark Albanese wrote:

 

Yeh, it was great to have it and the transaxle balanced atop a rolling jack. The heat is what burned the valves out. I expect in a boat one may also seem pretty loud.

On Nov 15, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Douglas Pollard wrote:

 

What the engine had going for it was it could be dropped out for rebuilding in 15 minutes.  Usually the valves were burned and new rings needed the lower end bearings and crank held up well... ...I would think it would make a far better engine for an air boat. In this case it can be standing above the boat where it can get free air circulation.  

         Doug


On 11/15/2012 12:52 PM, nezih wrote:

 

Yesterday,I have been informed that boat builders here are installing old VW Beetle Engines(after marinise)

as Inboard Engine.They are not heavy,like outbards.I think this engine eliminates the weight problem of other

Inboard Engines

Awaiting comments.

Nezih

 

Good points Susanne. Also consider that automobile engines typically only run @ about 20% of rated max HP around 80% of the time (coasting, idling at the stop light, flat terrain cruising etc). 

On the other hand, when you consider hull drag, prop thrust and friction, marine engines are constantly going uphill towing a trailer and are designed accordingly. My recommendation is a 4 stroke outboard until you get into larger boats where a diesel inboard makes more sense. 

---

From: "philbolger@..." <philbolger@...>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 16, 2012 4:57:13 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Every SUBARU engine is a flat -4 or -6 - and always water-cooled.

Ultimately for the horsepower to get MT up on a plane no power plant will as light for the power as an outboard by the time you add up gearbox, shafting, propeller, pivoting of prop etc.

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F

----- Original Message -----

From: nezih

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 3:35 AM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Sir,

Any picture of the Engine,you saw in Fort Lauderdale in a Dunebuggy shop.

Highly appreciated

Nezih

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Douglas Pollard

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 4:24 AM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

I read someplace that the engine designer was an airplane designer. It sure looks like and airplane engine. Back in the 1980's somebody built a water cooled aluminum block to bolt on to the crank case in place of the air cooled jugs.  They also had water cooled heads for it. I saw one of the engines in a Dunebuggy shop In Fort Lauderdale. That engine might well make a nice boat engine.  
                                                Doug

On 11/15/2012 09:00 PM, Mark Albanese wrote:

 

Yeh, it was great to have it and the transaxle balanced atop a rolling jack. The heat is what burned the valves out. I expect in a boat one may also seem pretty loud.

On Nov 15, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Douglas Pollard wrote:

 

What the engine had going for it was it could be dropped out for rebuilding in 15 minutes.  Usually the valves were burned and new rings needed the lower end bearings and crank held up well... ...I would think it would make a far better engine for an air boat. In this case it can be standing above the boat where it can get free air circulation.  

         Doug


On 11/15/2012 12:52 PM, nezih wrote:

 

Yesterday,I have been informed that boat builders here are installing old VW Beetle Engines(after marinise)

as Inboard Engine.They are not heavy,like outbards.I think this engine eliminates the weight problem of other

Inboard Engines

Awaiting comments.

Nezih

 

Good points Susanne. Also consider that automobile engines typically only run @ about 20% of rated max HP around 80% of the time (coasting, idling at the stop light, flat terrain cruising etc). 

On the other hand, when you consider hull drag, prop thrust and friction, marine engines are constantly going uphill towing a trailer and are designed accordingly. My recommendation is a 4 stroke outboard until you get into larger boats where a diesel inboard makes more sense. 

---

From: "philbolger@..." <philbolger@...>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 16, 2012 4:57:13 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Every SUBARU engine is a flat -4 or -6 - and always water-cooled.

Ultimately for the horsepower to get MT up on a plane no power plant will as light for the power as an outboard by the time you add up gearbox, shafting, propeller, pivoting of prop etc.

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F

----- Original Message -----

From: nezih

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 3:35 AM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

Sir,

Any picture of the Engine,you saw in Fort Lauderdale in a Dunebuggy shop.

Highly appreciated

Nezih

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Douglas Pollard

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 4:24 AM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

I read someplace that the engine designer was an airplane designer. It sure looks like and airplane engine. Back in the 1980's somebody built a water cooled aluminum block to bolt on to the crank case in place of the air cooled jugs.  They also had water cooled heads for it. I saw one of the engines in a Dunebuggy shop In Fort Lauderdale. That engine might well make a nice boat engine.  
                                                Doug

On 11/15/2012 09:00 PM, Mark Albanese wrote:

 

Yeh, it was great to have it and the transaxle balanced atop a rolling jack. The heat is what burned the valves out. I expect in a boat one may also seem pretty loud.

On Nov 15, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Douglas Pollard wrote:

 

What the engine had going for it was it could be dropped out for rebuilding in 15 minutes.  Usually the valves were burned and new rings needed the lower end bearings and crank held up well... ...I would think it would make a far better engine for an air boat. In this case it can be standing above the boat where it can get free air circulation.  

         Doug


On 11/15/2012 12:52 PM, nezih wrote:

 

Yesterday,I have been informed that boat builders here are installing old VW Beetle Engines(after marinise)

as Inboard Engine.They are not heavy,like outbards.I think this engine eliminates the weight problem of other

Inboard Engines

Awaiting comments.

Nezih

 

Sir,

Any picture of the Engine,you saw in Fort Lauderdale in a Dunebuggy shop.

Highly appreciated

Nezih

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Douglas Pollard

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 4:24 AM

Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

I read someplace that the engine designer was an airplane designer. It sure looks like and airplane engine. Back in the 1980's somebody built a water cooled aluminum block to bolt on to the crank case in place of the air cooled jugs.  They also had water cooled heads for it. I saw one of the engines in a Dunebuggy shop In Fort Lauderdale. That engine might well make a nice boat engine.  
                                                Doug

On 11/15/2012 09:00 PM, Mark Albanese wrote:

 

Yeh, it was great to have it and the transaxle balanced atop a rolling jack. The heat is what burned the valves out. I expect in a boat one may also seem pretty loud.

On Nov 15, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Douglas Pollard wrote:

 

What the engine had going for it was it could be dropped out for rebuilding in 15 minutes.  Usually the valves were burned and new rings needed the lower end bearings and crank held up well... ...I would think it would make a far better engine for an air boat. In this case it can be standing above the boat where it can get free air circulation.  

         Doug


On 11/15/2012 12:52 PM, nezih wrote:

 

Yesterday,I have been informed that boat builders here are installing old VW Beetle Engines(after marinise)

as Inboard Engine.They are not heavy,like outbards.I think this engine eliminates the weight problem of other

Inboard Engines

Awaiting comments.

Nezih

----- Original Message -----

From: prairiedog2332

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 7:56 PM

Subject: [bolger] Re: MICRO TRAWLER

 

nezith,

You might find this article of a Microtrawler build of interest.

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/12/projects/microtrawler/index.html

Almost seems like some of the plans were missing when he built it as I am sure they are more complete in detail than what he mentions. But his experience in motor trials I think are really helpful. If you type in Micro trawler in the search box up top right of the article there are some other writings about the design.

Nels

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "nezih" <gencahm@...> wrote:
>
> Sir,I respect your choice.But one cylinder engine is a little bit noisy,I think.
>