2nd part of the building
http://www.promax.com.ar/idaho/index2.htm

Weight: 810 kgs (1785 lbs)
(complete w/motor, gas, equipment)

Max Speed: 13.5 knots
Half throttle: 10 knots
Honda BF20 20 HP, long shaft. Two people crew.

-------

On common sense website the empty weight says 544 kgs (1200 lbs) and 14
knots on 12hp. Could it be, the difference in weight affect that much the
speed?

Very happy how it feels.
Regards, Máximo

Wow! Maximo, congratulations.  It is not everyday that someone
launches a big Bolger boat, that is a heck of an accomplishment.

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Maximo <grupos@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> 2nd part of the building
> http://www.promax.com.ar/idaho/index2.htm

Beautiful and apparently very true to the plans. I own a set of the CSD plans
bought 2nd hand a few years ago. I admire the simple windshield treatment at the
bow.

Except for the storage/trailering problems of a 30 footer, this seems an ideal
picnic/day cruiser for several, with nice occasional camp cruising for 2 on
rivers and many lakes.  And one could leave off the cabin, go to a planked deck
finished bright and have a bargain gentleman's speed boat, again for protected
waters

IMO, without knowing more about the prop and engine rpm it is difficult to know
how many of the 20hp are being used.  The cabin is a major aerodynamic drag, so
head/tail winds will have a big impact.

I recall the prototype having a 25hp 2 stroke Mercury on it.  Those old Merc's
were noted for their performance.

Don

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
>
> Wow! Maximo, congratulations.  It is not everyday that someone
> launches a big Bolger boat, that is a heck of an accomplishment.
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Maximo <grupos@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > 2nd part of the building
> > http://www.promax.com.ar/idaho/index2.htm
>

Looks nice.

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
>
> Wow! Maximo, congratulations.  It is not everyday that someone
> launches a big Bolger boat, that is a heck of an accomplishment.
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Maximo <grupos@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > 2nd part of the building
> > http://www.promax.com.ar/idaho/index2.htm
>

Thank you all for your kind words. This group is a great inspiration to keep
going. In a few month aprox, I will post some videos sailing.

I have to wait for the registration numbers paperwork
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...

I remember now, on the Diablo (160 kgs, 1/5 of Idaho's weight) with the same
motor, I made a maximum speed of 18 knots. So 13.5 maximum speed on Idaho
seems OK.

My background is sailing on sailboats, so any speed from 4 knots is great!
:)

Also sailing protected from the wind and spray, with a panoramic view, 10
knots on interior water, with almost no wave nor noise... is excelent.

Bob: I am on one of the cheapest clubs in San Isidro (Buenos Aires,
Argentina) we are a union non profit society, they charge for a minimum 20
m2 marina (Idaho is 15 m2) u$s 46 a month.

Regards, Máximo.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:40 PM, John and Kathy Trussell
<jtrussell2@...> wrote:
>
> This is one of PCB’s ‘pretty’ (as opposed to harshly functional) boats and it
certainly deserves to be built in some numbers.
>
> I have almost finished a ‘Storm 17’ (see the Swallow Boats web page) which is
about the same size and shape as the 16 ft Canoe Yawl and I’m pretty sure that
the Canoe Yawl is a lot more work than an Old Shoe…  There is, of course, no
comparison in looks.
>
> JohnT

Cool.  Here is the URL of a Storm17, and yes that is a very similar
shape to Bolger's 16 ft Canoe Yawl

http://www.swallowboats.co.uk/content/view/67/84/

I agree with you very much, with a couple of nuances:

I think that a rounded shape boat rows better than an hard chine boat,
because of less wetted surface area and less weight, so this 16ft
Canoe Yawl (with oar power axillary) would be more "functional" when
rowing as compared to a hard chine boat.

My comments about building time comes from my experiences of building
a 16ft Micro and of building a 16ft lapstrake double ended Bolger
Cartoon 5.  Lapstrake construction can take much longer if you demand
glossy fit and finish, or it can go very quickly if you are willing to
settle for work boat finish.

That Cartoon 5 lapstrake build of mine was very much "work boat
finish" and it took only a few weeks of spare time, I forget how many
manhours, about 50 or 60.  Prior to that I build a similar lapstrake
Spur II in, (I forget), roughly about 80 manhours

http://community.webshots.com/album/360982713bZwutE

In contrast, my Micro Navigator took about 450 hours. (I could do it
again based on what I learned in 200 manhours.)

> Here is the Free!Ship "fbm" file, if anyone wants to see the expanded strake
> shapes, the lofting is done already, make it easy.
>
>
>
> http://hallman.org/bolger/16ftCanoeYawl/16FtCanoeYawl.fbm


Hello Bruce.

When I try to open this file I get this error message :

" This file was created with a later version od freeship and cannot be read with
this version ..."

So , could you advise please , which version of freeship do I neeed to read this
?

Best regards............
Harry

Here is the Free!Ship "fbm" file, if anyone wants to see the expanded strake
shapes, the lofting is done already, make it easy.
http://hallman.org/bolger/16ftCanoeYawl/16FtCanoeYawl.fbm

Hello Bruce.
When I try to open this file I get this error message :
" This file was created with a later version od freeship and cannot be read with this version ..."
So , could you advise please , which version of freeship do I neeed to read this ?
Best regards............
Harry

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher C. Wetherill" <wetherillc@...>
wrote:
>
> Works w/ V 2.6
>
Many thanks Christopher.

> I'm pretty sure that the Canoe Yawl is a lot more work than an Old
> Shoe. There is, of course, no comparison in looks.

"OLDSHOE Summary...
For a 12 foot boat, it is neither cheap nor simple.. Bill Nicolay..."
oldshoe.txt file http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/How%20To/

The Nord Koster?
http://boatbldr.com/html/boats/koster.html

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DoryBoat/photos/album/1562426564/pic/list

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DoryBoat/message/2016

$46. a month! Wow!  3 1/2 years ago in Florida I talked to a guy who had to
leave the marina he had lived in for something like 15 years and anchor out
because rates had gone up to $600. a month!
Again, you've built a great boat. Have fun with it:)
Bob

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Maximo" <grupos@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you all for your kind words. This group is a great inspiration to keep
> going. In a few month aprox, I will post some videos sailing.
>
> I have to wait for the registration numbers paperwork
> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...
>
> I remember now, on the Diablo (160 kgs, 1/5 of Idaho's weight) with the same
> motor, I made a maximum speed of 18 knots. So 13.5 maximum speed on Idaho
> seems OK.
>
> My background is sailing on sailboats, so any speed from 4 knots is great!
> :)
>
> Also sailing protected from the wind and spray, with a panoramic view, 10
> knots on interior water, with almost no wave nor noise... is excelent.
>
> Bob: I am on one of the cheapest clubs in San Isidro (Buenos Aires,
> Argentina) we are a union non profit society, they charge for a minimum 20
> m2 marina (Idaho is 15 m2) u$s 46 a month.
>
> Regards, Máximo.
>

Thank you Bob.

We have also some very expensive marinas near downtown, and they charge you
extra if you live on board.

Also keep in mind, it's difficult to compare, because our average salaries
are lowers than USA, Europe and many other countries.

Regards, Máximo.


> $46. a month! Wow!  3 1/2 years ago in Florida I talked to a
> guy who had to leave the marina he had lived in for something
> like 15 years and anchor out because rates had gone up to
> $600. a month!
> Again, you've built a great boat. Have fun with it:) Bob

Are you sure you can't afford the tow vehicle?  My tow vehicle is a 94 Ford 250
diesel.  It cost $3000 has needed about $500/year repairs and more than that in
insurance each years I have owned it.  I hardly drive it, but it is handy to
have the pickup for other things besides towing the boat.  It cost less per year
than storage fees at a marina.  I drive junk vehicles and use a back yard
mechanic for most repairs.  Renting from U-haul would be practical and cheaper
if only towing the boat a few times a year.  It is a solution that would work
for me and might be cheaper than owning. I may go that route in the future.

eric


--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, bud e <bud_4444@...> wrote:
>
> Very well done!  Beautiful boat.  I have long admired the Idaho.  Perfect boat
for my wife and I to cruise on protected waters.  My problem is I can not afford
the cost of the tow vehicle.Bud
>
> --- On Thu, 6/3/10, daschultz2000 <daschultz8275@...> wrote:
>
> From: daschultz2000 <daschultz8275@...>
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Idaho: some numbers and photos
> To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 9:40 AM
>
>
> Beautiful and apparently very true to the plans. I own a set of the CSD plans
bought 2nd hand a few years ago. I admire the simple windshield treatment at the
bow.
>
> Except for the storage/trailering problems of a 30 footer, this seems an ideal
picnic/day cruiser for several, with nice occasional camp cruising for 2 on
rivers and many lakes.  And one could leave off the cabin, go to a planked deck
finished bright and have a bargain gentleman's speed boat, again for protected
waters
>
> IMO, without knowing more about the prop and engine rpm it is difficult to
know how many of the 20hp are being used.  The cabin is a major aerodynamic
drag, so head/tail winds will have a big impact. 
>
> I recall the prototype having a 25hp 2 stroke Mercury on it.  Those old Merc's
were noted for their performance.
>
> Don
>
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@> wrote:
> >
> > Wow! Maximo, congratulations.  It is not everyday that someone
> > launches a big Bolger boat, that is a heck of an accomplishment.
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Maximo <grupos@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2nd part of the building
> > > http://www.promax.com.ar/idaho/index2.htm
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!!  Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
(978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:  bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion: bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo!
Groups Links
>

On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 3:53 AM, graeme19121984
<graeme19121984@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> The Nord Koster?
> http://boatbldr.com/html/boats/koster.html
>

Yep, looks like the exact same design.



Yes, that last version of Free!Ship which is 'open source' is version
2.6.  A few years old, but still works great.

Available in a lot of places including here:

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Science-CAD/Freeship.shtml

You don't need that much of a vehicle to tow Idaho in any case.  Maximo's
numbers make it out as being a bit lighter than my 19' bay boat.  That boat
weighs 2900 lbs on its trailer, and I tow it with a 6-cyl minivan (and have
crossed the USA from Seattle to Florida with it twice).  Most mid-sized SUVs,
6-cyl crossovers, and the Nissan and Toyota 4-cyl pickups will tow that weight
just fine.  And contrary to what you might think, the long trailer will increase
stability compared to a shorter trailer of the same weight, too.

Bob

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "eric14850" <eric14850@...> wrote:
>
> Are you sure you can't afford the tow vehicle?  My tow vehicle is a 94 Ford
250 diesel.  It cost $3000 has needed about $500/year repairs and more than that
in insurance each years I have owned it.  I hardly drive it, but it is handy to
have the pickup for other things besides towing the boat.  It cost less per year
than storage fees at a marina.  I drive junk vehicles and use a back yard
mechanic for most repairs.  Renting from U-haul would be practical and cheaper
if only towing the boat a few times a year.  It is a solution that would work
for me and might be cheaper than owning. I may go that route in the future.
>
> eric
>
>
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, bud e <bud_4444@> wrote:
> >
> > Very well done! �Beautiful boat. �I have long admired the Idaho.
�Perfect boat for my wife and I to cruise on protected waters. �My problem
is I can not afford the cost of the tow vehicle.Bud
> >
> > --- On Thu, 6/3/10, daschultz2000 <daschultz8275@> wrote:
> >
> > From: daschultz2000 <daschultz8275@>
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: Idaho: some numbers and photos
> > To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 9:40 AM
> >
> >
> > Beautiful and apparently very true to the plans. I own a set of the CSD
plans bought 2nd hand a few years ago. I admire the simple windshield treatment
at the bow.
> >
> > Except for the storage/trailering problems of a 30 footer, this seems an
ideal picnic/day cruiser for several, with nice occasional camp cruising for 2
on rivers and many lakes.� And one could leave off the cabin, go to a planked
deck finished bright and have a bargain gentleman's speed boat, again for
protected waters
> >
> > IMO, without knowing more about the prop and engine rpm it is difficult to
know how many of the 20hp are being used.� The cabin is a major aerodynamic
drag, so head/tail winds will have a big impact.�
> >
> > I recall the prototype having a 25hp 2 stroke Mercury on it.� Those old
Merc's were noted for their performance.
> >
> > Don
> >
> > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Wow! Maximo, congratulations.� It is not everyday that someone
> > > launches a big Bolger boat, that is a heck of an accomplishment.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Maximo <grupos@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2nd part of the building
> > > > http://www.promax.com.ar/idaho/index2.htm
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!!� Please!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead
horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
(978) 282-1349
> > - Unsubscribe:� bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > - Open discussion: bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo!
Groups Links
> >
>

I'll second that. I tow my bantam, which weighed out trailer and all at 2740
lbs, with a Kia sedona van with the 6 cyl.  I've towed it from MN to FL and
back, and MN to TX and back, plus lots of shorter trips of under 250 miles.

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "rrusk9" <rrusk9@...> wrote:
>
> You don't need that much of a vehicle to tow Idaho in any case.  Maximo's
numbers make it out as being a bit lighter than my 19' bay boat.  That boat
weighs 2900 lbs on its trailer, and I tow it with a 6-cyl minivan (and have
crossed the USA from Seattle to Florida with it twice).  Most mid-sized SUVs,
6-cyl crossovers, and the Nissan and Toyota 4-cyl pickups will tow that weight
just fine.  And contrary to what you might think, the long trailer will increase
stability compared to a shorter trailer of the same weight, too.
>
> Bob
>
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "eric14850" <eric14850@> wrote:
> >
> > Are you sure you can't afford the tow vehicle?  My tow vehicle is a 94 Ford
250 diesel.  It cost $3000 has needed about $500/year repairs and more than that
in insurance each years I have owned it.  I hardly drive it, but it is handy to
have the pickup for other things besides towing the boat.  It cost less per year
than storage fees at a marina.  I drive junk vehicles and use a back yard
mechanic for most repairs.  Renting from U-haul would be practical and cheaper
if only towing the boat a few times a year.  It is a solution that would work
for me and might be cheaper than owning. I may go that route in the future.
> >
> > eric
> >
> >
> > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, bud e <bud_4444@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Very well done! �Beautiful boat. �I have long admired the Idaho.
�Perfect boat for my wife and I to cruise on protected waters. �My problem
is I can not afford the cost of the tow vehicle.Bud
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 6/3/10, daschultz2000 <daschultz8275@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: daschultz2000 <daschultz8275@>
> > > Subject: [bolger] Re: Idaho: some numbers and photos
> > > To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 9:40 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > Beautiful and apparently very true to the plans. I own a set of the CSD
plans bought 2nd hand a few years ago. I admire the simple windshield treatment
at the bow.
> > >
> > > Except for the storage/trailering problems of a 30 footer, this seems an
ideal picnic/day cruiser for several, with nice occasional camp cruising for 2
on rivers and many lakes.� And one could leave off the cabin, go to a planked
deck finished bright and have a bargain gentleman's speed boat, again for
protected waters
> > >
> > > IMO, without knowing more about the prop and engine rpm it is difficult to
know how many of the 20hp are being used.� The cabin is a major aerodynamic
drag, so head/tail winds will have a big impact.�
> > >
> > > I recall the prototype having a 25hp 2 stroke Mercury on it.� Those old
Merc's were noted for their performance.
> > >
> > > Don
> > >
> > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wow! Maximo, congratulations.� It is not everyday that someone
> > > > launches a big Bolger boat, that is a heck of an accomplishment.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Maximo <grupos@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2nd part of the building
> > > > > http://www.promax.com.ar/idaho/index2.htm
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Bolger rules!!!
> > > - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!!� Please!
> > > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead
horses
> > > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> > > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> > > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
(978) 282-1349
> > > - Unsubscribe:� bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > - Open discussion: bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo!
Groups Links
> > >
> >
>

Hello John: I don't have a tachometer for RPM reading. The documentation on
internet of my motor, the standard propeller is diameter 9 1/4 x pitch 10,
but I will check it next time I go to the club. Thanks, regards, Máximo.


________________________________

	 De: bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] En nombre
de John Bell
	 Enviado el: Martes, 08 de Junio de 2010 11:34 a.m.
	 Para: bolger@yahoogroups.com
	 Asunto: Re: [bolger] Idaho: some numbers and photos


	 What are your rpms at WOT and half throttle?

	 You may not have quite the correct propeller pitch.

Digging through old MAIB's I stumbled across this amazing lost gem of
PCB's design.  Coming from that period of his life that I value the
most, where (IMO) he was at the peak of his creative game.  Reflecting
a maximum of his "break all rules" elegant frugal simplicity.  From
Feb 1, 1992, MAIB V09N18.

The genius here that he recognized that the expensive part of a boat
build is buying all the miscellaneous pieces, hardware/sails/etc...
And, that it is possible to buy an old "un-loved" Hobie Cat 16 for
nearly free.  (Several are selling locally on Craigslist right now for
$400, complete including sail and trailer.)  Starting with those
parts, you add a simple big curved box (23'6" long) weighing a mere
450lbs.

This boat actually echo's a lot of his "box boat" values we admire,
but with the Hobie Cat cannibalized, comes across as more refined.

Cut a Hobie Cat in half, attach it to a 450 lbs simple plywood box,
and you get a very capable camp cruiser that sleeps four.  Genius.

I worked her up using Free!Ship and I am convinced this boat could
easily and quickly be achieved.


http://hallman.org/bolger/554/554-01.html

http://hallman.org/bolger/554/Bolger554CampingTrimaran.html

Bruce,

Would you care to comment on the shape of the box?  I was surprised to see the
bottom was V instead of flat.  Noticed that the bottom rocker roughly followed
the Hobie rocker,  and the the profile looking down of the side of the box and
the side of the hobie are perhaps roughly similar as well.  The boat should sail
with a very small angle of heel which I would expect would minimise eddies at
the chines regardless of the match between side and bottom.  Your insights after
close attention to the lines will be appreciated.

A refinement might be to offset the struts to each ama so as to allow a couple
of bolts to be undone and each ama slid up close to the main hull for
trailering.  Or did Phil have a solution already designed?

Someone could have a very capable, and perhaps attractive,boat very cheaply.  I
think the Corsair class boats, Bird/Whale Watcher class and this boat are
under-rated and under-represented in the owner/builder world.

Eric



--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
>
> Digging through old MAIB's I stumbled across this amazing lost gem of
> PCB's design.  Coming from that period of his life that I value the
> most, where (IMO) he was at the peak of his creative game.  Reflecting
> a maximum of his "break all rules" elegant frugal simplicity.  From
> Feb 1, 1992, MAIB V09N18.
>
> The genius here that he recognized that the expensive part of a boat
> build is buying all the miscellaneous pieces, hardware/sails/etc...
> And, that it is possible to buy an old "un-loved" Hobie Cat 16 for
> nearly free.  (Several are selling locally on Craigslist right now for
> $400, complete including sail and trailer.)  Starting with those
> parts, you add a simple big curved box (23'6" long) weighing a mere
> 450lbs.
>
> This boat actually echo's a lot of his "box boat" values we admire,
> but with the Hobie Cat cannibalized, comes across as more refined.
>
> Cut a Hobie Cat in half, attach it to a 450 lbs simple plywood box,
> and you get a very capable camp cruiser that sleeps four.  Genius.
>
> I worked her up using Free!Ship and I am convinced this boat could
> easily and quickly be achieved.
>
>
> http://hallman.org/bolger/554/554-01.html
>
> http://hallman.org/bolger/554/Bolger554CampingTrimaran.html
>