Any where is ok with me, but time to get it set up is now or all the parks will
be taken. Sofar it looks like you & I are the only ones interested.
   Dave

Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@...> wrote:
           How about one of the rivers off Pamlico Sound? Lots
of water to explore for the big/fast boat guys, plenty
of nearby open water for shoal-draft sailing, but
protected for the little boat guys. I don't know
about shore access, etc. around New Bern or
Washington, N.C., but sombody on this group might.
--- dave seeton <daveseeton@...> wrote:

> I will check out Tugaloo in the next week or so also
> SC state parp, right across the lake in SC, But if
> sailing is desired both of these parks are above (up
> river) from a bridge.
> Dave
>
> Rhett Davis <ravenous@...> wrote:
> Tugaloo State Park on Lake Hartwell SC/GA?
> I could do that.
> What about
> Santee State Park in East SC?
>
> Do either of these have shorline campsites with
> "beach" like areas for all
> the people and boats to mill around
> on?
>
> Rav
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave seeton" <daveseeton@...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: HOW ABOUT A SOUTHEASTERN
> MESSAGBOUT?
>
> > So we're talking about memorial day week-end? in
> Beauford NC? Or somewhere
> > in SC. I live on Lake Hartwell in western SC. It
> has 986 miles of
> > shoreline, not sure of wind conditions as I don't
> sail. Big water around
> > the Dam. Should I look into aroud here or does
> some one have another idea?
> > We need some input from list members if this is
> going to happen.
> > Dave
> >
> > Rhett Davis <ravenous@...> wrote:
> > Having been to the MIDWEST messabout several
> times, I think do it
> > perfectly.
> > Anyone can come with any boat or no boat at all.
> > No particular schedule except for maybe a group
> meal.
> > Lots of looking, talking, and playing in boats.
> >
> > Being from South Georgia, and having a larger boat
> to trailer,
> > I'd favor SC over NC.
> >
> > I love cruising tidal creeks and rivers,
> > and believe lakes can be pretty bland,
> > but for a messabout, you can't beat a
> > campground on protected wide water.
> > That way sailors, rowers, paddlers, and
> > motorboaters, all get to play. Most of the
> > good stuff at a messabout happens on the
> > shore anyway.
> >
> > Let's not drop this thread. Let's pick location
> central to
> > those who have expressed interest that has the
> features
> > for a boat gathering. When is memorial day?
> > I, for one, am excited about the possibilities so
> far.
> > Rav
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "dave seeton" <daveseeton@...>
> > To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: HOW ABOUT A SOUTHEASTERN
> MESSAGBOUT?
> >
> >> Hello
> >> Never been to a messabout. Is it limited to only
> Bolger designed? Only
> >> Sail?
> >> Memorial W/E is ok for by me, Motel for us.
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@...> wrote:
> >> It seems that Beaufort NC has resonated most with
> potential
> >> SouthEast
> >> messabouters. There are a lot of motels in
> Morehead City, Beaufort,
> >> Atlantic Beach, and thereabouts, as well as
> private campgrounds. Also
> >> primitive camping in the Cape Lookout National
> Seashore (Shackleford
> >> Banks a couple or four miles sail from Beaufort,
> or South Core Banks, a
> >> two to five mile sail from points within 30
> minutes of Beaufort). Are
> >> folks more interested in motels or camping? And,
> more interested in
> >> primitive or commercial camping?
> >>
> >> Also, more interested in sailing along the
> Beaufort waterfront, within
> >> the narrow channels in the sound inside the
> banks, on the Neuse River (a
> >> bit north of Beaufort)?
> >>
> >> I was in Beaufort last July 4th for the tall
> ships -- it was scary --
> >> too many motor boats moving too fast. I got
> swamped by big weird waves
> >> around the turning mark between Beaufort and
> Morehead City. I imagine
> >> most July 4th weekends are not so crazy, but
> still I'd prefer to avoid
> >> that particular weekend. Memorial day weekend
> would give people the
> >> opportunity to take advantage of a 3-day weekend,
> the water is
> >> comfortable, there is still a chance of wind (not
> quite into the summer
> >> doldrums). Would that be a good weekend for
> everyone?
> >>
> >> Patrick
> >>
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How about Cape Lookout National Seashore (NC):

http://www.nps.gov/calo

You can only get to it by boat (ok, by ferry as well, but that's
cheating...), you can camp right on the beach...

                          Bret


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I'm in for something around the Pamlico.  I'll have the Chebacco down
there all summer anyway if I can find a spot for it.  I'd think maybe the
Wooden Boat group in Beaufort might be a help with locating a suitable
spot, but there's also a launch area on Dawson creek just up from Oriental
inside the bridge.  If we could find a suitable area near there that's
great protected water.

Count me in anyway.  Boudicea will be present.  Sounds to me like there'll
probably be a couple different meetings going on anyway since the SE is
such a large area.


> Any where is ok with me, but time to get it set up is now or all the parks
> will be taken. Sofar it looks like you & I are the only ones interested.
>   Dave
>
> Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@...> wrote:
>           How about one of the rivers off Pamlico Sound? Lots
> of water to explore for the big/fast boat guys, plenty
> of nearby open water for shoal-draft sailing, but
> protected for the little boat guys. I don't know
> about shore access, etc. around New Bern or
> Washington, N.C., but sombody on this group might.
> --- dave seeton <daveseeton@...> wrote:
>
>> I will check out Tugaloo in the next week or so also
>> SC state parp, right across the lake in SC, But if
>> sailing is desired both of these parks are above (up
>> river) from a bridge.
>> Dave
>>
>> Rhett Davis <ravenous@...> wrote:
>> Tugaloo State Park on Lake Hartwell SC/GA?
>> I could do that.
>> What about
>> Santee State Park in East SC?
>>
>> Do either of these have shorline campsites with
>> "beach" like areas for all
>> the people and boats to mill around
>> on?
>>
>> Rav
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "dave seeton" <daveseeton@...>
>> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: HOW ABOUT A SOUTHEASTERN
>> MESSAGBOUT?
>>
>> > So we're talking about memorial day week-end? in
>> Beauford NC? Or somewhere
>> > in SC. I live on Lake Hartwell in western SC. It
>> has 986 miles of
>> > shoreline, not sure of wind conditions as I don't
>> sail. Big water around
>> > the Dam. Should I look into aroud here or does
>> some one have another idea?
>> > We need some input from list members if this is
>> going to happen.
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > Rhett Davis <ravenous@...> wrote:
>> > Having been to the MIDWEST messabout several
>> times, I think do it
>> > perfectly.
>> > Anyone can come with any boat or no boat at all.
>> > No particular schedule except for maybe a group
>> meal.
>> > Lots of looking, talking, and playing in boats.
>> >
>> > Being from South Georgia, and having a larger boat
>> to trailer,
>> > I'd favor SC over NC.
>> >
>> > I love cruising tidal creeks and rivers,
>> > and believe lakes can be pretty bland,
>> > but for a messabout, you can't beat a
>> > campground on protected wide water.
>> > That way sailors, rowers, paddlers, and
>> > motorboaters, all get to play. Most of the
>> > good stuff at a messabout happens on the
>> > shore anyway.
>> >
>> > Let's not drop this thread. Let's pick location
>> central to
>> > those who have expressed interest that has the
>> features
>> > for a boat gathering. When is memorial day?
>> > I, for one, am excited about the possibilities so
>> far.
>> > Rav
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "dave seeton" <daveseeton@...>
>> > To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:36 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: HOW ABOUT A SOUTHEASTERN
>> MESSAGBOUT?
>> >
>> >> Hello
>> >> Never been to a messabout. Is it limited to only
>> Bolger designed? Only
>> >> Sail?
>> >> Memorial W/E is ok for by me, Motel for us.
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >> Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@...> wrote:
>> >> It seems that Beaufort NC has resonated most with
>> potential
>> >> SouthEast
>> >> messabouters. There are a lot of motels in
>> Morehead City, Beaufort,
>> >> Atlantic Beach, and thereabouts, as well as
>> private campgrounds. Also
>> >> primitive camping in the Cape Lookout National
>> Seashore (Shackleford
>> >> Banks a couple or four miles sail from Beaufort,
>> or South Core Banks, a
>> >> two to five mile sail from points within 30
>> minutes of Beaufort). Are
>> >> folks more interested in motels or camping? And,
>> more interested in
>> >> primitive or commercial camping?
>> >>
>> >> Also, more interested in sailing along the
>> Beaufort waterfront, within
>> >> the narrow channels in the sound inside the
>> banks, on the Neuse River (a
>> >> bit north of Beaufort)?
>> >>
>> >> I was in Beaufort last July 4th for the tall
>> ships -- it was scary --
>> >> too many motor boats moving too fast. I got
>> swamped by big weird waves
>> >> around the turning mark between Beaufort and
>> Morehead City. I imagine
>> >> most July 4th weekends are not so crazy, but
>> still I'd prefer to avoid
>> >> that particular weekend. Memorial day weekend
>> would give people the
>> >> opportunity to take advantage of a 3-day weekend,
>> the water is
>> >> comfortable, there is still a chance of wind (not
>> quite into the summer
>> >> doldrums). Would that be a good weekend for
>> everyone?
>> >>
>> >> Patrick
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
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>> Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
>> >> (978) 282-1349
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>> Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
>> > (978) 282-1349
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I'm in for something around the Pamlico.  I'll have the Chebacco down
there all summer anyway if I can find a spot for it.  I'd think maybe the
Wooden Boat group in Beaufort might be a help with locating a suitable
spot, but there's also a launch area on Dawson creek just up from Oriental
inside the bridge.  If we could find a suitable area near there that's
great protected water.

Count me in anyway.  Boudicea will be present.  Sounds to me like there'll
probably be a couple different meetings going on anyway since the SE is
such a large area.


> Any where is ok with me, but time to get it set up is now or all the parks
> will be taken. Sofar it looks like you & I are the only ones interested.
>   Dave
>
> Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@...> wrote:
>           How about one of the rivers off Pamlico Sound? Lots
> of water to explore for the big/fast boat guys, plenty
> of nearby open water for shoal-draft sailing, but
> protected for the little boat guys. I don't know
> about shore access, etc. around New Bern or
> Washington, N.C., but sombody on this group might.
> --- dave seeton <daveseeton@...> wrote:
>
>> I will check out Tugaloo in the next week or so also
>> SC state parp, right across the lake in SC, But if
>> sailing is desired both of these parks are above (up
>> river) from a bridge.
>> Dave
>>
>> Rhett Davis <ravenous@...> wrote:
>> Tugaloo State Park on Lake Hartwell SC/GA?
>> I could do that.
>> What about
>> Santee State Park in East SC?
>>
>> Do either of these have shorline campsites with
>> "beach" like areas for all
>> the people and boats to mill around
>> on?
>>
>> Rav
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "dave seeton" <daveseeton@...>
>> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: HOW ABOUT A SOUTHEASTERN
>> MESSAGBOUT?
>>
>> > So we're talking about memorial day week-end? in
>> Beauford NC? Or somewhere
>> > in SC. I live on Lake Hartwell in western SC. It
>> has 986 miles of
>> > shoreline, not sure of wind conditions as I don't
>> sail. Big water around
>> > the Dam. Should I look into aroud here or does
>> some one have another idea?
>> > We need some input from list members if this is
>> going to happen.
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > Rhett Davis <ravenous@...> wrote:
>> > Having been to the MIDWEST messabout several
>> times, I think do it
>> > perfectly.
>> > Anyone can come with any boat or no boat at all.
>> > No particular schedule except for maybe a group
>> meal.
>> > Lots of looking, talking, and playing in boats.
>> >
>> > Being from South Georgia, and having a larger boat
>> to trailer,
>> > I'd favor SC over NC.
>> >
>> > I love cruising tidal creeks and rivers,
>> > and believe lakes can be pretty bland,
>> > but for a messabout, you can't beat a
>> > campground on protected wide water.
>> > That way sailors, rowers, paddlers, and
>> > motorboaters, all get to play. Most of the
>> > good stuff at a messabout happens on the
>> > shore anyway.
>> >
>> > Let's not drop this thread. Let's pick location
>> central to
>> > those who have expressed interest that has the
>> features
>> > for a boat gathering. When is memorial day?
>> > I, for one, am excited about the possibilities so
>> far.
>> > Rav
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "dave seeton" <daveseeton@...>
>> > To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:36 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: HOW ABOUT A SOUTHEASTERN
>> MESSAGBOUT?
>> >
>> >> Hello
>> >> Never been to a messabout. Is it limited to only
>> Bolger designed? Only
>> >> Sail?
>> >> Memorial W/E is ok for by me, Motel for us.
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >> Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@...> wrote:
>> >> It seems that Beaufort NC has resonated most with
>> potential
>> >> SouthEast
>> >> messabouters. There are a lot of motels in
>> Morehead City, Beaufort,
>> >> Atlantic Beach, and thereabouts, as well as
>> private campgrounds. Also
>> >> primitive camping in the Cape Lookout National
>> Seashore (Shackleford
>> >> Banks a couple or four miles sail from Beaufort,
>> or South Core Banks, a
>> >> two to five mile sail from points within 30
>> minutes of Beaufort). Are
>> >> folks more interested in motels or camping? And,
>> more interested in
>> >> primitive or commercial camping?
>> >>
>> >> Also, more interested in sailing along the
>> Beaufort waterfront, within
>> >> the narrow channels in the sound inside the
>> banks, on the Neuse River (a
>> >> bit north of Beaufort)?
>> >>
>> >> I was in Beaufort last July 4th for the tall
>> ships -- it was scary --
>> >> too many motor boats moving too fast. I got
>> swamped by big weird waves
>> >> around the turning mark between Beaufort and
>> Morehead City. I imagine
>> >> most July 4th weekends are not so crazy, but
>> still I'd prefer to avoid
>> >> that particular weekend. Memorial day weekend
>> would give people the
>> >> opportunity to take advantage of a 3-day weekend,
>> the water is
>> >> comfortable, there is still a chance of wind (not
>> quite into the summer
>> >> doldrums). Would that be a good weekend for
>> everyone?
>> >>
>> >> Patrick
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming,
>> respamming, or flogging dead
>> >> horses
>> >> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no
>> 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
>> >> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your
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>> Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
>> >> (978) 282-1349
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Yup...

I say go with the hoops, but it is a more expensive system. you will
need shackles, lacings, and hoops.  Sail tension is a lot easier with
the hoops.  But, if you can get your hands on some good 6" schedule 40
pvc pipe, you can make your own with a hacksaw and some sandpaper.

Size of the spar would matter too.  on a short spar, I would probably
go with the lashings.  Birdwatcher II's rig looks as if it is the best
of both worlds with the sail being lashed to the upper spar and then
the spar is hoisted in place. The sail is not fixed to the mast except
at the tack. Can't remember the actual term Bolger used for the rig,
but will check the plans this weekend.  Spars are underway...

David Jost

It seems like the ideal solution might be that there are more than one
messabout so people won't have to travel so far.   As far as eastern NC
the waters are great but the combination of waters and a good site are
rare and are diminishing as development grows.  I have hosted an annual
gathering for kayak  and canoe sailors at Cedar Island NC every October
for 16 years.  Others in my industry have looked for a similar place in
the mid Atlantic without much success.   A lot of this depends on
personal preferences.  If the participants want a variety of
restaurants and motels and bed and breakfast type options. Beaufort is
good.  For shore side socializing or shop hopping for non boating
spouses it is a good place.   On the other hand parking is not great
and there is limited shore. If the expectation of the participants is
mostly social and heavily weighted toward tourist amenities and shops
it argues for Beaufort NC.  If on the other hand boating is the primary
focus, I can highly recommend Cedar Island.  We hold our gathering at
the Driftwood Motel and Campground.  The campground is on the water and
does not really have a beach but has docks and a boat ramp  There are
two or three other public ramps on the island. The end of Cedar Island
Bay where the campground is situated is narrow and protected surrounded
by beautiful salt marsh.  Ideal for paddlers and rowers and small
sailboats.  The bay gets wider to the east and opens into the Core
Sound which is relatively shallow open water.  Cedar Island Bay is
great for sailing and also human powered craft in calmer conditions.
In many ways it is the perfect site for the boating aspect.  I lived
there for 9 years and I can not think of a better place to sail on the
middle east coast.   The motel and campground are reasonably priced and
on either side of the road leading to the Cedar Island Ferry which goes
to Ocracoke.
There are however downsides.   It is 30  miles beyond Beaufort and not
really close to anywhere.  The motel though clean is very basic with
not even phones in the rooms.   The natural beauty there is tempered by
irritants like mosquitos, particularly in the summer. It is best in
Spring and Autumn but even then you can have weather and strong winds.
On average though over 16 years we have mostly good boating conditions.
   The boat ramp at the campground is a bit shallow but useable.  The
restaurant is decent but only offers a basic continental breakfast for
morning eating.     There is no place quite like it.  Near perfect for
boating and acceptable accommodations for motel or camp types.  Whether
for messabout or not if you are in the area check it out with your
boat.

Mark


On Feb 2, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Breton Losch wrote:

> How about Cape Lookout National Seashore (NC):
>
> http://www.nps.gov/calo


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The first boat My dad bought was a TerraMarine.  It was a 30 foot
flat-bottom houseboat that could convert to a trailer.  It consisted of a
steel barge with an aluminum house.  It drew about 6 inches.  I would be
guessing at the thickness of the plate, but I do know a corrosion allowance
is necessary.

The previous owner left it tied to a dock and used it for a guest house.
Unfortunately, he left the shoreside power hooked up with the wrong polarity
for several years and electrolytically corroded the hull.  Dad had to glass
it inside and out to stop the leaks

Another point of reference is Huckleberry Finn, a 50 foot Atkins houseboat
done for Motorboating sometime before 1953.  This boat has 11/64 bottom
plate and 9/64 topside plate on 2x2x1/8 angle framing at 15 inch intervals
with 3 longitudinal 4x7.55 I stringers, 1/4x12 keel plates on top and bottom
of the framing, 3/16 bow and stern and 4 watertight bulkheads of 1/8 plate
with 1.25x1.25x1/8 angle stiffeners on about 18 inch spacing.
Unfortunately, displacement is not given. Gross dimensions are 50' LOA, 44'
LWL, 18' B, 1'-4" D.

The point is that, with competent design, a boat can be built of steel in
any size.  Since framing and stiffeners are easy to attach, weight is not as
difficult a problem as one might think.  Cost may be a different problem.

V/R
Chris

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Subject: [bolger] Re: Steel ASharpie: speculation on plate thicknesses?


--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "goadarama" <goadarama@...> wrote:
>
> So I take it the sharpie must be larger than a AS29 to really be
> practical in steel. Not necessarily AS39 big but maybe a AS34 or so.


I wouldn't assume that it is only for bigger boats.  PCB did that
single hand world cruiser, Colonel something that is steel.  Not much
bigger than a Micro.

PBolgers 20' Colonel Hasler, in steel, works. Tom Colvin has a 26 foot
sharpie in 1/8th steel. George Buehler has a 26 foot keel boat in
3/16ths steel. Bruce Roberts has a 24 foot keelboat in 1/8th inch steel.
My initial estimation was maybe 3/16ths for the AS29 bottom plate (good
enough for grounding out on about anything and coming away with just
scratches) and 1/8th inch for the sides. The Lions Paw was built with
3/8ths bottom and the builder said it came out about 3000 pounds
lighter than specked out so I think it could have gone as high as 1/2"
for the bottom plating and been OK. In this light the very buoyant
square box shape of AS29 might well support 1/4" on the bottom. I've
not bought the PLYBOATS software design program but I understand boats
have been built in steel from it. It would be interesting to run the
different plate thickneses through it to see how the boat would stack
up.XXXXXX We had the fortuitous luck to see a AS29 as it came through
Apalachicola about 2 weeks ago (the one with the tent built onto the
steering station) and my wife and I found it a bit small inside for our
6-3 and 5-8 frames. I'd think a general blowing up, all around, of the
AS29 dimensions would yield a nice 34 footer with maybe a 9 foot beam
overall. Such a craft might well support a junk rigs weight. Better
wrap this up.... I'm getting antsy to burn some rod just speculating.

lets just see what the extra weight of making the bottom and hull
sides of steel. Bottom has plate of 1/2 10'x 24'= 2000lbs  will make
1/4" bottom
for 2000 lbs minus the weight of the original bottom so a net gain in
reducing weight. hull sides of 1/8" steel{2000lbs?} minus the weight
of the original sides and the weight saved on the bottom all else done
to the original plans in wood and fastened to the hull with bolts,
onto tabs welded to the hull. I think weight gain would be minimal.
can someone run numbers on the weight of the plywood hull and the
steel hull skin only. No need for steel internals, if the wood
structure was good enough for a weaker ply hull it will be fine for a
stronger steel one.
This kind of wood deck and house with steel hull has been used for
over 100 years with success <starof india>
can someone run the numbers?
  thanks
mike

On 2/2/07, goadarama <goadarama@...> wrote:
>
>
> PBolgers 20' Colonel Hasler, in steel, works.

I have corresponded with PCB about this, and got the impression that
balancing the issue of weight versus buoyancy in Col. Hasler was not
trivial.  (Notice Hasler's large buoyant box keel.)

Certainly a steel 'advanced sharpie' boat is possible, as we see one
with Weston Martyr.

As always, one cannot not design, nor redesign, a boat without
factoring in the weight/buoyancy issues.  Certainly could be done, but
not without some figuring.

>... I'm getting antsy to burn some rod just speculating.

Go for it!

I am curious what minimum thickness of plate you think is feasible.
Can you weld 12 gauge steel watertight?













Tom Colvin has a 26 foot
>  sharpie in 1/8th steel. George Buehler has a 26 foot keel boat in
>  3/16ths steel. Bruce Roberts has a 24 foot keelboat in 1/8th inch steel.
>  My initial estimation was maybe 3/16ths for the AS29 bottom plate (good
>  enough for grounding out on about anything and coming away with just
>  scratches) and 1/8th inch for the sides. The Lions Paw was built with
>  3/8ths bottom and the builder said it came out about 3000 pounds
>  lighter than specked out so I think it could have gone as high as 1/2"
>  for the bottom plating and been OK. In this light the very buoyant
>  square box shape of AS29 might well support 1/4" on the bottom. I've
>  not bought the PLYBOATS software design program but I understand boats
>  have been built in steel from it. It would be interesting to run the
>  different plate thickneses through it to see how the boat would stack
>  up.XXXXXX We had the fortuitous luck to see a AS29 as it came through
>  Apalachicola about 2 weeks ago (the one with the tent built onto the
>  steering station) and my wife and I found it a bit small inside for our
>  6-3 and 5-8 frames. I'd think a general blowing up, all around, of the
>  AS29 dimensions would yield a nice 34 footer with maybe a 9 foot beam
>  overall. Such a craft might well support a junk rigs weight. Better
>  wrap this up.... I'm getting antsy to burn some rod just speculating.
>
>

The moderator of this list has a free design program (Hulls) that is a
lot better than Plyboats. It is very easy to learn

http://www.carlsondesign.com/#Fun_Shareware

Another program that takes a little more time to learn but which is pro
level is Freeship

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Science-CAD/Freeship.shtml

You have probably seen some of Bruce Hallman's many models from his use
of the program.

HJ


goadarama wrote:
> PBolgers 20' Colonel Hasler, in steel, works. Tom Colvin has a 26 foot
> sharpie in 1/8th steel. George Buehler has a 26 foot keel boat in
> 3/16ths steel. Bruce Roberts has a 24 foot keelboat in 1/8th inch steel.
> My initial estimation was maybe 3/16ths for the AS29 bottom plate (good
> enough for grounding out on about anything and coming away with just
> scratches) and 1/8th inch for the sides. The Lions Paw was built with
> 3/8ths bottom and the builder said it came out about 3000 pounds
> lighter than specked out so I think it could have gone as high as 1/2"
> for the bottom plating and been OK. In this light the very buoyant
> square box shape of AS29 might well support 1/4" on the bottom. I've
> not bought the PLYBOATS software design program but I understand boats
> have been built in steel from it. It would be interesting to run the
> different plate thickneses through it to see how the boat would stack
> up.XXXXXX We had the fortuitous luck to see a AS29 as it came through
> Apalachicola about 2 weeks ago (the one with the tent built onto the
> steering station) and my wife and I found it a bit small inside for our
> 6-3 and 5-8 frames. I'd think a general blowing up, all around, of the
> AS29 dimensions would yield a nice 34 footer with maybe a 9 foot beam
> overall. Such a craft might well support a junk rigs weight. Better
> wrap this up.... I'm getting antsy to burn some rod just speculating.
>
>
>
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Just because I am curious, I was looking inside of Superbrick.

http://hallman.org/bolger/Superbrick/superbrick.png

Isn't that cute as a bug!

Hello, I'm lookink to buy a 4 stroke, 15/20hp, 15" shaft engine with remote,
tilt and trim to
mount on a "Tennessee" I'm finishing for launch this summer. Yea I know but I
thought I'd
take a shot. Thanx,Ed

Can someone please help me remember the name and author of a book I
first heard about on this list, probably during the summer of 2004?
Here is what I recall:
It's a book full of black-line illustrations (drawings) with captions
and bubbles of text.  Each page details a different improvement or
modification for a small sail boat (such as different ways to hang a
table in  a small boat, ways to mount a compass).  The book is not
about building a boat, only improving boats.  Most of the pictures
have a drawing of a cat in them (the author's cat); chasing a mouse,
playing with a sheet, etc.  The book is out of print and published
around 1981.
I thought the title was something like "practical sailor, or
self-reliant sailor" but searches on these titles show other books.

Can someone throw me a bone, please?  I'm going crazy here...

Bill, in Ohio

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@...> wrote:
>Book is by Bruce Bingham. TiTle "The Sailor's sketchbook." Still available.


> Can someone please help me remember the name and author of a book I
> first heard about on this list, probably during the summer of 2004?
> Here is what I recall:
> It's a book full of black-line illustrations (drawings) with captions
> and bubbles of text.  Each page details a different improvement or
> modification for a small sail boat (such as different ways to hang a
> table in  a small boat, ways to mount a compass).  The book is not
> about building a boat, only improving boats.  Most of the pictures
> have a drawing of a cat in them (the author's cat); chasing a mouse,
> playing with a sheet, etc.  The book is out of print and published
> around 1981.
> I thought the title was something like "practical sailor, or
> self-reliant sailor" but searches on these titles show other books.
>
> Can someone throw me a bone, please?  I'm going crazy here...
>
> Bill, in Ohio
>

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@...> wrote:
>Book is by Bruce Bingham. TiTle "The Sailor's sketchbook." Still available.


> Can someone please help me remember the name and author of a book I
> first heard about on this list, probably during the summer of 2004?
> Here is what I recall:
> It's a book full of black-line illustrations (drawings) with captions
> and bubbles of text.  Each page details a different improvement or
> modification for a small sail boat (such as different ways to hang a
> table in  a small boat, ways to mount a compass).  The book is not
> about building a boat, only improving boats.  Most of the pictures
> have a drawing of a cat in them (the author's cat); chasing a mouse,
> playing with a sheet, etc.  The book is out of print and published
> around 1981.
> I thought the title was something like "practical sailor, or
> self-reliant sailor" but searches on these titles show other books.
>
> Can someone throw me a bone, please?  I'm going crazy here...
>
> Bill, in Ohio
>

Ed,
Thanks!!!  That was quick!  Now I can sleep tonight.
Bill

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ed" <edeinhorn@...> wrote:
>
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@> wrote:
> >Book is by Bruce Bingham. TiTle "The Sailor's sketchbook." Still
available.
>
>
> > Can someone please help me remember the name and author of a book I
> > first heard about on this list, probably during the summer of 2004?
> > Here is what I recall:
> > It's a book full of black-line illustrations (drawings) with captions
> > and bubbles of text.  Each page details a different improvement or
> > modification for a small sail boat (such as different ways to hang a
> > table in  a small boat, ways to mount a compass).  The book is not
> > about building a boat, only improving boats.  Most of the pictures
> > have a drawing of a cat in them (the author's cat); chasing a mouse,
> > playing with a sheet, etc.  The book is out of print and published
> > around 1981.
> > I thought the title was something like "practical sailor, or
> > self-reliant sailor" but searches on these titles show other books.
> >
> > Can someone throw me a bone, please?  I'm going crazy here...
> >
> > Bill, in Ohio
> >
>

Don't take me wrong, I just love my Tortoise, especially how it sails.
  Yet, with the tiller centered on the aft transom, a sailer needs to
slide their butt from side to side for each tack.

When you lean back, the square edge of the aft deck then 'cuts' into
your shoulder blades, making the sailing experience less than perfect.
  If only the afterdeck had some curved combing which supported your
back allowing a sailer to lean back in bliss on each tack.

http://hallman.org/bolger/Tortoise/ImprovedTortoise.png

Still fits on two sheets of plywood.
Slightly harder to build, but worth it in comfort while sailing.

HI all -
           I wonder if someone out in our group can help.  We're looking for a
Bolger boat to build and here's the criterior - A simple build or at least not
overly expensive.  We thought we wanted "Champlain" but when you really get into
the details it would come out on the expensive side.   The size is right,
but.......
           The 20'  " Super Brick"  has a perfect interior but just isn't 'boaty"
enough for the female side of the team.  "Where's the pointy end ?"
           I have all of PCB's books but just don't see any of his "Box" boats
that would fit -- Need an enclosed head, galley space, dinette and a double
berth.   Our boating (now under power) will be local,  on the Intracoastal
waterway with a possibe move up to the North Carolina or Tennessee lakes so we
don't need blue water capabilities.
           I'm wondering if perhaps a slightly lenthened (if necessary) "Hawkeye"
would do if one could lengthen the after section of the cabin somewhat similiar
to "Microtrawler"
           We're sure there are some of you out there that have seen other Bolger
designs, unpublished in his books,  that just might fit the bill.  Any
suggustions would be appreciated.

                                                                                            
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale, Fl


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Jack, how about Topaz?  Easy build, "boaty",
everything on your wishlist except dinette and double
berth, which are easy to add-I put both in mine.  Sam
--- barbaraspoering <barbaraspoering@...>
wrote:

>
>   HI all -
>           I wonder if someone out in our group can
> help.  We're looking for a Bolger boat to build and
> here's the criterior - A simple build or at least
> not overly expensive.  We thought we wanted
> "Champlain" but when you really get into the details
> it would come out on the expensive side.   The size
> is right, but.......
>           The 20'  " Super Brick"  has a perfect
> interior but just isn't 'boaty" enough for the
> female side of the team.  "Where's the pointy end ?"
>           I have all of PCB's books but just don't
> see any of his "Box" boats that would fit -- Need an
> enclosed head, galley space, dinette and a double
> berth.   Our boating (now under power) will be
> local,  on the Intracoastal waterway with a possibe
> move up to the North Carolina or Tennessee lakes so
> we don't need blue water capabilities.
>           I'm wondering if perhaps a slightly
> lenthened (if necessary) "Hawkeye" would do if one
> could lengthen the after section of the cabin
> somewhat similiar to "Microtrawler"
>           We're sure there are some of you out there
> that have seen other Bolger designs, unpublished in
> his books,  that just might fit the bill.  Any
> suggustions would be appreciated.
>
>
>                                        Aloha - Jack
> Spoering - Ft Lauderdale, Fl
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>




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--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@...> wrote:
>
> How about one of the rivers off Pamlico Sound?  Lots
> of water to explore for the big/fast boat guys, plenty
> of nearby open water for shoal-draft sailing, but
> protected for the little boat guys.  I don't know
> about shore access, etc. around New Bern or
> Washington, N.C., but sombody on this group might.

Goose Creek SP is the only one I'm aware of in this area. Haven't been
there in years so I don't recall how suitable it is for a group
messabout (beach?):

http://www.ils.unc.edu/parkproject/visit/gocr/home.html

12 primitive tent sites, but First Come First Serve, which would mean
very tough to secure on a holiday weekend...

Neil S.

With it's flat deck, Hawkeye  acomodates just about any
superstructure, from tent to full length hard shell. Superbrick, with
all the built-ins may not to be all that cheap in time or money
anyway. The box boat sharpies are the most for the least if economy
is your concern, and can look rather well. Anyway, they do have
pointed bows.

You could build an Idaho for half the cost of Champlain.
( Not recommended to buy here but have a look. )
http://www.common-sense-boats.com/idaho.htm

IMHO,
Mark



On Nov 2, 2002, at 3:49 PM, barbaraspoering wrote:

>
>   HI all -
>           I wonder if someone out in our group can help.  We're
> looking for a Bolger boat to build and here's the criterior - A
> simple build or at least not overly expensive.  We thought we
> wanted "Champlain" but when you really get into the details it
> would come out on the expensive side.   The size is right, but.......
>           The 20'  " Super Brick"  has a perfect interior but just
> isn't 'boaty" enough for the female side of the team.  "Where's the
> pointy end ?"
>           I have all of PCB's books but just don't see any of his
> "Box" boats that would fit -- Need an enclosed head, galley space,
> dinette and a double berth.   Our boating (now under power) will be
> local,  on the Intracoastal waterway with a possibe move up to the
> North Carolina or Tennessee lakes so we don't need blue water
> capabilities.
>           I'm wondering if perhaps a slightly lenthened (if
> necessary) "Hawkeye" would do if one could lengthen the after
> section of the cabin somewhat similiar to "Microtrawler"
>           We're sure there are some of you out there that have seen
> other Bolger designs, unpublished in his books,  that just might
> fit the bill.  Any suggustions would be appreciated.
>
>

Great starting point for true investigations into a steel AS
feasibility. Thanks.

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> The moderator of this list has a free design program (Hulls) that
is a
> lot better than Plyboats. It is very easy to learn
>
> http://www.carlsondesign.com/#Fun_Shareware
>
> Another program that takes a little more time to learn but which
is pro
> level is Freeship
>
> http://www.softpedia.com/get/Science-CAD/Freeship.shtml
>
> You have probably seen some of Bruce Hallman's many models from
his use
> of the program.
>
> HJ
>
>
> goadarama wrote:
> > PBolgers 20' Colonel Hasler, in steel, works. Tom Colvin has a
26 foot
> > sharpie in 1/8th steel. George Buehler has a 26 foot keel boat
in
> > 3/16ths steel. Bruce Roberts has a 24 foot keelboat in 1/8th
inch steel.
> > My initial estimation was maybe 3/16ths for the AS29 bottom
plate (good
> > enough for grounding out on about anything and coming away with
just
> > scratches) and 1/8th inch for the sides. The Lions Paw was built
with
> > 3/8ths bottom and the builder said it came out about 3000 pounds
> > lighter than specked out so I think it could have gone as high
as 1/2"
> > for the bottom plating and been OK. In this light the very
buoyant
> > square box shape of AS29 might well support 1/4" on the bottom.
I've
> > not bought the PLYBOATS software design program but I understand
boats
> > have been built in steel from it. It would be interesting to run
the
> > different plate thickneses through it to see how the boat would
stack
> > up.XXXXXX We had the fortuitous luck to see a AS29 as it came
through
> > Apalachicola about 2 weeks ago (the one with the tent built onto
the
> > steering station) and my wife and I found it a bit small inside
for our
> > 6-3 and 5-8 frames. I'd think a general blowing up, all around,
of the
> > AS29 dimensions would yield a nice 34 footer with maybe a 9 foot
beam
> > overall. Such a craft might well support a junk rigs weight.
Better
> > wrap this up.... I'm getting antsy to burn some rod just
speculating.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!!  Please!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or
flogging dead horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks,
Fred' posts
> > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip
away
> > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > - Unsubscribe:  bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > - Open discussion: bolger_coffee_lounge-
subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Lately I've been thinking of building the 8' Tortoise instead of my 4'2" beam
Nymph.  Seems
like the carrying capacity would be about the same maybe a little less, but it
would take up
alot less deck space.  Wondering if anyone has build both the Nymph and the long
tortoise
and how they compared?

Jeff

Jeff, I have built the 8' Tortoise and am building the
Reubens Nymphy now.  I had decided on the June Bug for
a tender, but I want to tow the boat as a dinghy, too,
and that is tough with the JB.
The long Tortoise was a great little boat--rowed well
(though not fast), extremely manuverable, light, and
stable enough to stand up in without fear.  Fun to
sail if you were not in a hurry.  I sold my Tortoise
several years ago, and thought about another for my
tender, but I don't really want to build the same boat
twice, and I need a little more capacity.  The regular
Nymph is prettier than the Tortoise.  The T'toise is
easier to build and more stable, and uses less space
on deck.
--- nonews35 <nonews35@...> wrote:

> Lately I've been thinking of building the 8'
> Tortoise instead of my 4'2" beam Nymph.  Seems
> like the carrying capacity would be about the same
> maybe a little less, but it would take up
> alot less deck space.  Wondering if anyone has build
> both the Nymph and the long tortoise
> and how they compared?
>
> Jeff
>
>




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--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "barbaraspoering"
<barbaraspoering@...> wrote:
>
>
>   HI all -
>           I wonder if someone out in our group can help.  We're
>looking for a Bolger boat to build and here's the criterior - A
>simple build or at least not overly expensive.
>

The Super Brick is a sail boat and really not suitable for power
cruising.

Hawkeye plans include an extended cabin ala MicroTrawler, but a
better integrated power cruiser design is Bolger's Retriever.

IMO Hawkeye might build up a little cheaper, would be lighter to
trailer, and get around with less power than Retriever.

I don't think you said where you would be operating, but I think
Bolger designs are quite seaworthy.  If you are going to be in
protected waters, IE Midwestern lakes, smaller rivers, etc., you may
wish to look at Jim Michalak's AF-4G.  Big boat at 22', and easy to
add/change to get what you want.  Build it per plans, then add more
cabin, enclosed head, etc.

I remember one written by Bingham, at least I think that was his last name. Or
at least it is very close. Very good book but it was lost when hurricane Ivan
trashed my boat.
   Cheers
   JJ


     Regards
JJ & Irene
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It is most certainly The Sailor Sketchbook by Bruce Bingham.  I think I have
mine forsale on
Amazon. ARCS  Did you once have a boat in Waukegan?

You may be thinking of "Upgrading the Cruising Sailboat" by Daniel Spurr,
Illustrated by Bruce Bingham, 1983, Seven Seas Press, Newport, RI  ISBN
0-915160-57-9

Yes, the cat is there, too.

Allan
In the hills.



> 3a. Arg! Unknown book help.
>     Posted by: "Bill" kingw@... trimaran
>     Date: Fri Feb 2, 2007 2:29 pm ((PST))
>
> Can someone please help me remember the name and author of a book I
> first heard about on this list, probably during the summer of 2004?
> Here is what I recall:
> It's a book full of black-line illustrations (drawings) with captions
> and bubbles of text.  Each page details a different improvement or
> modification for a small sail boat (such as different ways to hang a
> table in  a small boat, ways to mount a compass).  The book is not
> about building a boat, only improving boats.  Most of the pictures
> have a drawing of a cat in them (the author's cat); chasing a mouse,
> playing with a sheet, etc.  The book is out of print and published
> around 1981.
> I thought the title was something like "practical sailor, or
> self-reliant sailor" but searches on these titles show other books.
>
> Can someone throw me a bone, please?  I'm going crazy here...
>
> Bill, in Ohio
>

Hi Ed there are a number of High Thrust outboards out
there in that range. Look for the one with the largest
prop on the lowerunit so you will get the best bit in
the water.

Blessings Kristine

--- Ed <edeinhorn@...> wrote:

>
> Hello, I'm lookink to buy a 4 stroke, 15/20hp, 15"
> shaft engine with remote, tilt and trim to
> mount on a "Tennessee" I'm finishing for launch this
> summer. Yea I know but I thought I'd
> take a shot. Thanx,Ed
>
>




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