A friend of mine built a tri on which he circumnavigated and it had fairly
large Wiley Windows in the cabin.  I asked him about security and he said
never a problem even in the worst conditions.  On his windows the wedges
were attached to the Lexan so they stayed in position.  Also since he had a
fairly long span on the top edge he had a wood stiffeners attached to the
Lexan on that edge as well on the same side as the wedges.  The bottom of
the frame supported the bottom edge well enough but the stiffener helped
hold the top edge firmly against the cabin side.  A stiffener on the bottom
edge might be a good idea depending on the fit of the frame and if the
window was fairly wide or the plastic thin and flexible.
Mark
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From: "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@...>
Reply-To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:22:45 -0000
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Wiley Window


> > If you made them so they so that the sides were
> > closer to each other at the bottom than at the the top and the glass
> > trapezoidal in shape to fit, wouldn't this allow the glass to be
> > removed by lifting it only part-way up the frame, rather than all the
> > way up?


I have a little trouble envisioning the usability of the WW, so this
is a naive question: Would making the frame trapeziodal make it harder
to fit the wedges? Or harder to keep the wedges from falling out of
position?

Peter





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After completing the custom design for YONDER, Phil and Suzanne wrote:
"She ought to be comfortable, handy, reliable, compact to keep in a
marina, and is conservatively distinctive."  She won't be cheap but
she should be worth it."  Yonder (Design # 665) LOD 30'00"  Beam
10'4"
Draft 25"/6'6" Sail area 865 Length over bowsprit and boomkin 46'5"
Please investigate this design if you desire a Two-some Long-Range
Yawl. I am building a reserve of  money to invest in construction in
the future.  Rollin dalPiaz

On
> his windows the wedges
> were attached to the Lexan so they stayed in
> position.

If the wedges are attached to the glass, is the glass
removed and reinserted wedge-out to go from closed to open?



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On 8/30/05, pvanderwaart wrote:
> > All that is missing to achieve a Bolger Wiki are volunteer(s) to
> make one,
> I looked at the existing one and, computer geek though I am, I found
> it prohibitively confusing.

Forget the term 'Wiki', it is unnecessary.   All 'Wiki' means,
(in my view), is: a collaborative collection of shared knowledge
by a community.

Wikipedia, though, is a astonishing example of a collaborative
community.  Posting and editing things there is a *little* hard,
but they have excellent tutorials and tools, and that 'Wiki'
is self healing so it can't really be harmed by beginner's mistakes.

The hard part to make happen is the 'community' and the 'shared
knowlege'.

We have most of that here already. A good direct thing that
could be done now would be for people to fill in the details
in the Bolger Yahoo group database.  Also, perhaps, for
people who are interested, to collect together links to Bolger
related websites, in the 'Links' section of this Yahoo Group,
and/or elsewhere(s).  [Not to mention, more people could be
creating Bolger related websites.]

I wish, for instance, that someone would volunteer to maintain
and update an index of the *recent* articles about Bolger boats
published in _Messing About in Boats_.  That collection could
be kept in a new Yahoo Bolger group 'bibliography' database,
perhaps?

>  Yonder (Design # 665)

In _Small Craft Advisor_ Phil Bolger
responded to the question:

"What do you consider your most
seaworthy small sailboat design and why?"

PCB:  "There are a number of my designs
that are thoroughly seaworthy,
but I think I'd pick Romp..."

Of course, Yonder is PB&F's 'improved'
Romp, so Yonder is really something!

Yes, they were lifted out of the top of the frame and reversed.  Not a
problem but kept the wedges secure as you don't want them working loose in
severe conditions.  His idea was that with the stiffener along the top and
the wedges attached the window could not easily buckle inward from wave
pressure and dislodge the wedges.  When revered or open the stiffener acted
as a spray rail for water hitting the glass and trying to run over the top
edge.  I can also hold a little curve in the Lexan if the cabin side is
curved.
Mark
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From: Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@...>
Reply-To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:41:42 -0700 (PDT)
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Wiley Window



On
> his windows the wedges
> were attached to the Lexan so they stayed in
> position.

If the wedges are attached to the glass, is the glass
removed and reinserted wedge-out to go from closed to open?






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We took _Shrike_ out for a sail on Sunday, and the weather was
perfect: sunny, with about fifteen knots of wind, and sailboats
everywhere, including two large three-masted schooners full of
sightseers and a gorgeous 50-foot canoe-sterned cutter that passed us
about fifty yards or so abeam. With the tiller comb engaged and the
sails trimmed for good helm balance, _Shrike_ essentially sails
herself upwind, and we schooned off on a long starboard tack to the
southwest, past downtown and off toward the middle of the lake. After
about ten miles or so, the tack fitting for the jib downhaul broke
free -- apparently, the batch of epoxy that I used to fasten it down
didn't cure completely. So we dropped the jib, turned around, and
headed home at a dead run.

Last night, I went back to the club to fix the broken tack fitting. I
think I've found something more fun than building boats: fussing over
them while lying to a mooring. Working out on the lake is so much more
pleasant than the workshop; it's almost like combining building with
sailing. The weather last night was just as beautiful as it had been
on Sunday, and while it's a shame that I couldn't be out sailing, it
was quite pleasant to sit on my foredeck with a chisel, scraping the
goop off the bow. Fortunately, I had thought to add a stern mooring
cleat (and _Shrike_ is a double-ender), as the tack fitting doubles as
a guide for the mooring or anchor line when mooring by the bow.

I finished the repair shortly after sunset. The wind outside the
breakwall had built to about 20 knots or so, and the red of the sunset
was still reflecting off the cloud bottoms toward Oakville. I stood on
the deck, amidships, and was suddenly transported back twenty years to
the evenings I spent sailing J/24s in Erie, remembering the feel of
the cool wind on my body, and the light of the fading twilight, and
the roll of the waves, and the smell of evening on the Great Lakes. I
had come home again.

--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>

Susan,  You painted a picture and a visceral feeling that I could feel
deep in my chest. Those words transported me to my warm time long ago on
my John B.
You write smooth, like a long time sailor talks.  Thanks.

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:44:55 -0000 "Susan Davis" <futabachan@...>
writes:
We took _Shrike_ out for a sail on Sunday, and the weather was
perfect: sunny, with about fifteen knots of wind, and sailboats
everywhere, including two large three-masted schooners full of
sightseers and a gorgeous 50-foot canoe-sterned cutter that passed us
about fifty yards or so abeam. With the tiller comb engaged and the
sails trimmed for good helm balance, _Shrike_ essentially sails
herself upwind, and we schooned off on a long starboard tack to the
southwest, past downtown and off toward the middle of the lake. After
about ten miles or so, the tack fitting for the jib downhaul broke
free -- apparently, the batch of epoxy that I used to fasten it down
didn't cure completely. So we dropped the jib, turned around, and
headed home at a dead run.

Last night, I went back to the club to fix the broken tack fitting. I
think I've found something more fun than building boats: fussing over
them while lying to a mooring. Working out on the lake is so much more
pleasant than the workshop; it's almost like combining building with
sailing. The weather last night was just as beautiful as it had been
on Sunday, and while it's a shame that I couldn't be out sailing, it
was quite pleasant to sit on my foredeck with a chisel, scraping the
goop off the bow. Fortunately, I had thought to add a stern mooring
cleat (and _Shrike_ is a double-ender), as the tack fitting doubles as
a guide for the mooring or anchor line when mooring by the bow.

I finished the repair shortly after sunset. The wind outside the
breakwall had built to about 20 knots or so, and the red of the sunset
was still reflecting off the cloud bottoms toward Oakville. I stood on
the deck, amidships, and was suddenly transported back twenty years to
the evenings I spent sailing J/24s in Erie, remembering the feel of
the cool wind on my body, and the light of the fading twilight, and
the roll of the waves, and the smell of evening on the Great Lakes. I
had come home again.

--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>





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> Susan,  You painted a picture and a visceral feeling that I could feel
> deep in my chest.

Ditto from me.  <smile> Though that doesn't let you of the hook to
show us some photos too.

A friend has two homemade Wiley Windows, each with a one piece acrylic
pane/wedges, and yes he removes and flips the entire assembly to go from open to
closed. Works fine, although the wedges have no kerf and everything depend soley
on a gravity fit. Be easy enough to fit some kind of keeper pin...

I've sailed on several other boats with Wiley Windows and all but one worked
wonderfully. On the one boat the problem was the frames protruded too far in the
very small cabin, real headbangers. On a big Atkins ketch I've sailed on the
owner made the panes out of heavy laminated glass, real heavy, like 1/2" thick
maybe,  and never even had wedges. But there are screws, long screws that span
the top of the frame preventing the panes from lifting unless the screws are
first backed out. When tacking the windward side windows flopped open allowing
air, while the leeward windows flopped closed and were heavy enough to keep any
spray taken over the rail out of the cabin... At rest all windows are open
unless held closed with whatever he can find to jam in as a wedge.

I've seen both bronze and fiberglass frames, plus homemade wood frames. The best
have a groove or slot for the wedge so they won't "twist" and pop out. Tethers
on the wedges are a good idea in rough going. Best wedges are hardwood, the kerf
makes a tight wedge.

I wonder about the trapizoid shape, having never seen one in action. Seems the
pane might accidently fall out (or I guess "in") at the wrong moment if it were
able to bounce up a bit? It really doesn't take that much clearance above the
frame to pull a standard type pane out of a standard frame...

Be simple to mock up a lifesize frame of scrap to test for clearance, fit and
security..

I feel a Wiley Window on a forward facing bulkhead should have an exterior
sprayshield.

Rick

Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@...> wrote:

On
> his windows the wedges
> were attached to the Lexan so they stayed in
> position.

If the wedges are attached to the glass, is the glass
removed and reinserted wedge-out to go from closed to open?



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Plexiglass bends nicely when heated, seems you could make one piece
windows with the right cut and then bending the ends.

HJ

Rick Bedard wrote:

>A friend has two homemade Wiley Windows, each with a one piece acrylic
pane/wedges, and yes he removes and flips the entire assembly to go from open to
closed. Works fine, although the wedges have no kerf and everything depend soley
on a gravity fit. Be easy enough to fit some kind of keeper pin...
>
>I've sailed on several other boats with Wiley Windows and all but one worked
wonderfully. On the one boat the problem was the frames protruded too far in the
very small cabin, real headbangers. On a big Atkins ketch I've sailed on the
owner made the panes out of heavy laminated glass, real heavy, like 1/2" thick
maybe,  and never even had wedges. But there are screws, long screws that span
the top of the frame preventing the panes from lifting unless the screws are
first backed out. When tacking the windward side windows flopped open allowing
air, while the leeward windows flopped closed and were heavy enough to keep any
spray taken over the rail out of the cabin... At rest all windows are open
unless held closed with whatever he can find to jam in as a wedge.
>
>I've seen both bronze and fiberglass frames, plus homemade wood frames. The
best have a groove or slot for the wedge so they won't "twist" and pop out.
Tethers on the wedges are a good idea in rough going. Best wedges are hardwood,
the kerf makes a tight wedge.
>
>I wonder about the trapizoid shape, having never seen one in action. Seems the
pane might accidently fall out (or I guess "in") at the wrong moment if it were
able to bounce up a bit? It really doesn't take that much clearance above the
frame to pull a standard type pane out of a standard frame...
>
>Be simple to mock up a lifesize frame of scrap to test for clearance, fit and
security..
>
>I feel a Wiley Window on a forward facing bulkhead should have an exterior
sprayshield.
>
>Rick
>
>Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@...> wrote:
>
>On
>
>
>>his windows the wedges
>>were attached to the Lexan so they stayed in
>>position.
>>
>>
>
>If the wedges are attached to the glass, is the glass
>removed and reinserted wedge-out to go from closed to open?
>
>
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Bruce Hallman:
> [T]hat doesn't let you of the hook to show us some photos too.

Every time she's been under way so far, I've been aboard at the helm,
so there aren't any action photos just yet.  Expect that to change
after Kingston, and possibly after this weekend if we make it to the
Gloucester Schooner Festival.

--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>

Probably would work, IF you can make a sharp bend, or else you'd need a bigger
frame to have the bearing surface to keep the thing in place. A bigger frame can
quickly go from elegant to obtrusive.

Couldn't hurt to mock one up.

  Rick

Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
Plexiglass bends nicely when heated, seems you could make one piece
windows with the right cut and then bending the ends.

HJ

Rick Bedard wrote:

>A friend has two homemade Wiley Windows, each with a one piece acrylic
pane/wedges, and yes he removes and flips the entire assembly to go from open to
closed. Works fine,

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Ya right. That would only make my list of boats I gotta build endless....

:)
Rick

Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:

I wish, for instance, that someone would volunteer to maintain
and update an index of the *recent* articles about Bolger boats
published in _Messing About in Boats_.

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She's a poet :)

Bill H.


> We took _Shrike_ out for a sail on Sunday, and the weather was
> perfect: sunny, with about fifteen knots of wind, and sailboats
> everywhere, including two large three-masted schooners full of
> sightseers and a gorgeous 50-foot canoe-sterned cutter that passed
us
> about fifty yards or so abeam. With the tiller comb engaged and the
> sails trimmed for good helm balance, _Shrike_ essentially sails
> herself upwind, and we schooned off on a long starboard tack to the
> southwest, past downtown and off toward the middle of the lake.
After
> about ten miles or so, the tack fitting for the jib downhaul broke
> free -- apparently, the batch of epoxy that I used to fasten it
down
> didn't cure completely. So we dropped the jib, turned around, and
> headed home at a dead run.
>
> Last night, I went back to the club to fix the broken tack
fitting. I
> think I've found something more fun than building boats: fussing
over
> them while lying to a mooring. Working out on the lake is so much
more
> pleasant than the workshop; it's almost like combining building
with
> sailing. The weather last night was just as beautiful as it had
been
> on Sunday, and while it's a shame that I couldn't be out sailing,
it
> was quite pleasant to sit on my foredeck with a chisel, scraping
the
> goop off the bow. Fortunately, I had thought to add a stern mooring
> cleat (and _Shrike_ is a double-ender), as the tack fitting
doubles as
> a guide for the mooring or anchor line when mooring by the bow.
>
> I finished the repair shortly after sunset. The wind outside the
> breakwall had built to about 20 knots or so, and the red of the
sunset
> was still reflecting off the cloud bottoms toward Oakville. I
stood on
> the deck, amidships, and was suddenly transported back twenty
years to
> the evenings I spent sailing J/24s in Erie, remembering the feel of
> the cool wind on my body, and the light of the fading twilight, and
> the roll of the waves, and the smell of evening on the Great
Lakes. I
> had come home again.
>
> --
> Susan Davis <futabachan@y...>

If you use Lexan (polycarbonate), you can bend it just like sheet metal.  I
took a 1/16" piece and put ninety degree bends in over a hardwood block with
a hammer.  One can also use a sheet metal break.

Bending acrylic requires heating.  One rig I've seen suspends a nichrome
wire near the surface and heats it for a while.  When the plastic is
softened, just grab it and bend.  If you bend and pull, the plastic gets
thinner.  If you bend and push, it gets thicker.  There are also $trip
heater$ available if you are doing it for a living.

My personal rig still has some kinks.  The nichrome expands dramatically as
it gets hot and one has to have a tensioning device to take up the slack.

Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Bedard" <sctree@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Wiley Window


> Probably would work, IF you can make a sharp bend, or else you'd need a
> bigger frame to have the bearing surface to keep the thing in place. A
> bigger frame can quickly go from elegant to obtrusive.
>
> Couldn't hurt to mock one up.
>
> Rick
>
> Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
> Plexiglass bends nicely when heated, seems you could make one piece
> windows with the right cut and then bending the ends.
>
> HJ
>
> Rick Bedard wrote:
>
>>A friend has two homemade Wiley Windows, each with a one piece acrylic
>>pane/wedges, and yes he removes and flips the entire assembly to go from
>>open to closed. Works fine,
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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My Wiley ports are done but the windows are not, so I'm enjoying the
discussion. I like this idea of incorporating the wedges into the window,
and making the wedge by bending the window material over is a clever twist
on that concept. I'll add one other thing that just came to mind along the
same lines - seems you could leave a little extra strip of material along
the top and perhaps bottom edge that can also be bent inward to provide
stiffening, thereby eliminating the need for any kind of frame...

Paul L.

-----Original Message-----
From: bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Roger Derby
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:01 AM
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Wiley Window


If you use Lexan (polycarbonate), you can bend it just like sheet metal.  I
took a 1/16" piece and put ninety degree bends in over a hardwood block with
a hammer.  One can also use a sheet metal break.

Bending acrylic requires heating.  One rig I've seen suspends a nichrome
wire near the surface and heats it for a while.  When the plastic is
softened, just grab it and bend.  If you bend and pull, the plastic gets
thinner.  If you bend and push, it gets thicker.  There are also $trip
heater$ available if you are doing it for a living.

My personal rig still has some kinks.  The nichrome expands dramatically as
it gets hot and one has to have a tensioning device to take up the slack.

Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Bedard" <sctree@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Wiley Window


> Probably would work, IF you can make a sharp bend, or else you'd need a
> bigger frame to have the bearing surface to keep the thing in place. A
> bigger frame can quickly go from elegant to obtrusive.
>
> Couldn't hurt to mock one up.
>
> Rick
>
> Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
> Plexiglass bends nicely when heated, seems you could make one piece
> windows with the right cut and then bending the ends.
>
> HJ
>
> Rick Bedard wrote:
>
>>A friend has two homemade Wiley Windows, each with a one piece acrylic
>>pane/wedges, and yes he removes and flips the entire assembly to go from
>>open to closed. Works fine,
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
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Maybe this has been mentioned, if so sorry. How about the window attached
to one side of the wedges and a framed screen on the other side so when you
flip it over you have insect protection?
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From: "Paul Lefebvre" <paul@...>
Reply-To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:11:29 -0400
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [bolger] Wiley Window


My Wiley ports are done but the windows are not, so I'm enjoying the
discussion. I like this idea of incorporating the wedges into the window,
and making the wedge by bending the window material over is a clever twist
on that concept. I'll add one other thing that just came to mind along the
same lines - seems you could leave a little extra strip of material along
the top and perhaps bottom edge that can also be bent inward to provide
stiffening, thereby eliminating the need for any kind of frame...




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Hah, I like that idea.  The unit will stay in place all the time.  It is
fully functional both ways! If it has been mentioned, it "sailed" right
by me.  Yes, that is a pun! sorry.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:22:22 -0400 Mark Balogh
<mark@...> writes:
Maybe this has been mentioned, if so sorry. How about the window attached
to one side of the wedges and a framed screen on the other side so when
you
flip it over you have insect protection?
Mark
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that's a real slick solution, and no wedges to lose or delicate things like
screens to have to store someplace!

Now I'm going to run home and see if the Wiley 'magazine rack' I already
epoxied into my Micro is low enough from overhead obstructions to get such a
contraption in and out over the top - if so then I know what I'm doing
tonight down in the shop!

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Mark Balogh
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:22 AM
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Wiley Window


Maybe this has been mentioned, if so sorry. How about the window attached
to one side of the wedges and a framed screen on the other side so when you
flip it over you have insect protection?
Mark

Nobody's mentioned insect screens yet. My guess is that quite often
you'd want maximum ventilation when insects are around and would
therefore want the "glass" removed i.e. the screen should probably be
a separate unit.

One way to do it might be to fit a (trapezoidal?) screen to the inside
of the frame, with another smaller one, or perhaps just a scrap of
plywood, sitting on top of the frame.

Howard

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Mark Balogh <mark@b...> wrote:
> Maybe this has been mentioned, if so sorry. How about the window
attached
> to one side of the wedges and a framed screen on the other side so
when you
> flip it over you have insect protection?

I rose at 4 in the morning here for the close of auction. Sadly, I
missed out. Anyway, my ebaying technique will have been improved by
the experience (beaten by the bell). There were a few bidding from
this group. Congratulations to a group member, from New York State
IIRC.

The closing price, with shipping costs added, was nearly
Australian$100. A tidy sum for a used paperback book from only a
couple of decades ago, (but years of pleasurable enjoyment). As I
managed to buy FS a while ago my interest (Otter) has increased in a
copy of Small Boats I've seen for about Aus$30 less.

I think it's all a bit crazy though, as not long ago I bought BWAOM
new for considerably less than used, and I'd wager good money that in
the not too distant future there will be new editions of all the
Master's works at regular prices.

Graeme

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
> Somebody mentioned a copy of BolgerBoats (Folding Schooner and Small
> Boats together) up for auction on ebay a while back so I put it on
watch
> out of curiosity. It went for $60 so I thought I would look on line
to
> see what a copy is going for these days.  Bookfinder the most
complete
> source shows $165 as the cheapest one with a couple more at $175.
Wow!!
>
> Somebody got a deal, hope they are on the group.
>
> HJ

Friends,
I purchased Yonder plans from Bolger as this is the
boat I want to build.  But in the mean time, I am
using the plans to help guide my reconstruction of a
mast and tabernacle on the "Meadowlark" (Herreschoff
design).  If there are any in the Stockton, CA area
who would like a closer look at the Yonder plans, let
me know.
Mark Hall



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Are there copyright reasons why PCB&F couldn't publish the books and
other works on, for example, disk? Should be easy. Should be an
earner. No risk printing and holding a large inventory  (not that I
would think there would be much risk anyway).

Graeme

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@y...>
wrote:
> I rose at 4 in the morning here for the close of auction. >
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
> > Somebody mentioned a copy of BolgerBoats (Folding Schooner and
Small
> > Boats together) up for auction on ebay a while back so I put it on
> watch
> > out of curiosity.

I'd guess most of Phil's works predate the digital age.  Scanning in the
artwork, correcting the text recognition version, ...  Besides, he may have
had second thoughts about some of his writings.

Copyright may also be part of it.  Once an author signs a contract with a
publisher, things can get very complicated.

Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm

----- Original Message -----
From: "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>


> Are there copyright reasons why PCB&F couldn't publish the books and
> other works on, for example, disk? Should be easy. Should be an
> earner. No risk printing and holding a large inventory  (not that I
> would think there would be much risk anyway).
>
> Graeme
>
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@y...>
> wrote:
>> I rose at 4 in the morning here for the close of auction. >
>> --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
>> > Somebody mentioned a copy of BolgerBoats (Folding Schooner and
> Small
>> > Boats together) up for auction on ebay a while back so I put it on
>> watch
>> > out of curiosity.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
> (978) 282-1349
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Who says a committee can't come up with good ideas, nice thought.

HJ

Paul Lefebvre wrote:

>My Wiley ports are done but the windows are not, so I'm enjoying the
>discussion. I like this idea of incorporating the wedges into the window,
>and making the wedge by bending the window material over is a clever twist
>on that concept. I'll add one other thing that just came to mind along the
>same lines - seems you could leave a little extra strip of material along
>the top and perhaps bottom edge that can also be bent inward to provide
>stiffening, thereby eliminating the need for any kind of frame...
>
>Paul L.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
>Roger Derby
>Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:01 AM
>To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Wiley Window
>
>
>If you use Lexan (polycarbonate), you can bend it just like sheet metal.  I
>took a 1/16" piece and put ninety degree bends in over a hardwood block with
>a hammer.  One can also use a sheet metal break.
>
>Bending acrylic requires heating.  One rig I've seen suspends a nichrome
>wire near the surface and heats it for a while.  When the plastic is
>softened, just grab it and bend.  If you bend and pull, the plastic gets
>thinner.  If you bend and push, it gets thicker.  There are also $trip
>heater$ available if you are doing it for a living.
>
>My personal rig still has some kinks.  The nichrome expands dramatically as
>it gets hot and one has to have a tensioning device to take up the slack.
>
>Roger
>derbyrm@...
>http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rick Bedard" <sctree@...>
>To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 1:20 AM
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Wiley Window
>
>
>
>
>>Probably would work, IF you can make a sharp bend, or else you'd need a
>>bigger frame to have the bearing surface to keep the thing in place. A
>>bigger frame can quickly go from elegant to obtrusive.
>>
>>Couldn't hurt to mock one up.
>>
>>Rick
>>
>>Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>>Plexiglass bends nicely when heated, seems you could make one piece
>>windows with the right cut and then bending the ends.
>>
>>HJ
>>
>>Rick Bedard wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>A friend has two homemade Wiley Windows, each with a one piece acrylic
>>>pane/wedges, and yes he removes and flips the entire assembly to go from
>>>open to closed. Works fine,
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>Bolger rules!!!
>>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
>>- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
>>- Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
>>- Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
>>(978) 282-1349
>>- Unsubscribe:  bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>>- Open discussion: bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
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>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
>- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
>- Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
>- Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
>(978) 282-1349
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>Yahoo! Groups Links
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>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
>- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
>- Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
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282-1349
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> Somebody got a deal, hope they are on the group.

Yep, I sure am.

Now if PCB's next book, the one with the Insolent 60 in it, would only
come out....

  -- Sue --
(and _Fiji_, _Yonder_, _Wandervogel_, _Le Cabotin_, _WDJ_, Revised
Micro Navigator, Longitudinal Folding Punt, et cetera)

--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>

> Anyway, my ebaying technique will have been improved by
> the experience (beaten by the bell).

I've been sniped enough times that I now do it out of habit as a
defensive move for auctions that I care about winning.  Setting the
maximum bid to a penny or two, or fifty cents, higher than the logical
increment is another cheap little trick that sometimes works.

--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>

I use ez sniper, then I don't have to stay up late.

HJ

Susan Davis wrote:

>>Anyway, my ebaying technique will have been improved by
>>the experience (beaten by the bell).
>>
>>
>
>I've been sniped enough times that I now do it out of habit as a
>defensive move for auctions that I care about winning.  Setting the
>maximum bid to a penny or two, or fifty cents, higher than the logical
>increment is another cheap little trick that sometimes works.
>
>
>

Thought that might be you, thanks for the nice piece of writing on
working on the boat. I know the feeling but couldn't express it half as
well.

HJ

Susan Davis wrote:

>>Somebody got a deal, hope they are on the group.
>>
>>
>
>Yep, I sure am.
>
>Now if PCB's next book, the one with the Insolent 60 in it, would only
>come out....
>
> -- Sue --
>(and _Fiji_, _Yonder_, _Wandervogel_, _Le Cabotin_, _WDJ_, Revised
>Micro Navigator, Longitudinal Folding Punt, et cetera)
>
>
>