New at http://www.club300.de/ Publications:
"Identification of vagrant Iberian Chiffchaffs"

This excellent British Birds paper http://www.britishbirds.co.uk/index.htm is
now online available as PDF file with additional sound files, new sonograms, a
new distribution map and updated references.

Enjoy this essential reading and listening.

Best wishes,
Andreas Noeske










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Hi all,



The Belted Kingfisher has been seen again today at 15:00h at the same place of
the last days in Murcia and two differents Pied-billed Grebe in Galicia. More
information at http://www.reservoirbirds.com



Greetings,



Ferran López

05.12.2009

Reservoir Birds



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Hi all,

Hereby November 2009 Danish Bird News,

Belated news from October was a Little Bunting at Skagen, Nordjylland on 31st.
Scandinavia's first ever Glaucous-winged Gull, a 4th winter, was video filmed
at Århus Harbour, Østjylland on 27th and just seen by 21
birders for 80 minutes before flying high off towards west inland. The regular
juvenile Gyr Falcon was at Bygholm Vejle, Nordjylland during 1st-29th.
A late Pacific or American Golden Plover was at Skallingen,
Vestjylland on 5th. A female Siberian Stonechat was at Blåvand,
Vestjylland on 1st-2nd. .

Other November records include a record 10 migrating White-billed
Divers including 8 past Skagen, Nordjylland, a record 16 Great
Northern Divers, one 1st winter Shag, one Little Egret, a record 27
Great White Egrets
including up to five together, two adult Black Brants, one 1st-winter
Red-breasted Goose, one returning drake Green-winged Teal, up to 35
Red-crested Pochards at Røgbølle Sø, Lolland, one escaped drake Hooded
Merganser, eight Grey Phalaropes, two Mediterranian Gulls, two
juvenile Baltic Gulls, the only two Crested Larks remaining at
Hirtshals, Nordjylland on 5th-27th, six Richard's Pipits including
three late on 21st at three Jylland sites, one Pallas's Warbler, just
two Nutcrackers,
one Two-barred Crossbill and one Coues's Arctic Redpoll.

Source: dofbasen.dk, dofcall.dk

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tlf. (+45) 40 41 66 08

Sorry guys. Many thanks for the corrections - having serious problems with
databases at the moment with one external hard drive down

I have just checked Dutch Birding 30: 263 and they have the wrong dates too
  - also from 3 June 2008

Will try and correct on the database

Best wishes

Lee


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Real dates that for Finnish Swinhoe's Snipe are 13th of June to 6th of July
2008.

There are some pictures and also recordings on my site too:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/caligata/lintukuvat2/Galmeg.html
http://koti.mbnet.fi/caligata/aanitykset/Galmeg02.mp3

Janne Aalto

> Andrea
>
> I don't have any records of Pintail Snipe in the WP and only two accepted
> records of SWINHOE'S SNIPE (see below)
>
> 1) EUROPEAN RUSSIA, Ynzhnaya Mountains, Yengane-Pe Ridge, Polar Urals,
> displaying male, 23-24 June 2002 (Morozov 2004)
>
> 2) FINLAND, Vartsila, Tohmajarvi, displaying male, 3 June to at least 17
> July 2008 (photograph in Dutch Birding 30: 264)
>
> Best wishes
>
> Lee Evans
>
>
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>


Janne Aalto
Parikkala
Suomi-Finland
+358503491694
jaaalto1@...
http://koti.mbnet.fi/caligata

Andrea

I don't have any records of Pintail Snipe in the WP and only two accepted
records of SWINHOE'S SNIPE (see below)

1) EUROPEAN RUSSIA, Ynzhnaya Mountains, Yengane-Pe Ridge, Polar Urals,
displaying male, 23-24 June 2002 (Morozov 2004)

2) FINLAND, Vartsila, Tohmajarvi, displaying male, 3 June to at least 17
July 2008 (photograph in Dutch Birding 30: 264)

Best wishes

Lee Evans


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Hi birders,
 
I'm writing an account on the Pintail Snipe I found last October at Sharm area 
that should be 1st Pintail with a stenura/megala seen october 2008 by A. Harrop
in the same site.
 
I need your help in finding all WP records about stenura and megala....
 
could you help please...? any help will be reported in my paper in Birding
World.
 
Thanks so far
 
Andrea Corso
 
 




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Dear all,



A few minutes ago Conrado Requena relocated again the MEGA Belted Kingfisher in
same place at Manga del Mar Menor, Murcia, Spain! More information at Reservoir
Birds webpage http://www.reservoirbirds.com



Greetings,



Ferran López



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Hi Andrea,

If you have information about the occurence of Lamprotornis in the WP that you
feel might be interesting, I suggest you try to summarize it and publish it
somewhere. Note also that several of the places you mention have an active Rc
(Madeira = Portuguese RC, Tenerife = Spannish RC, Sicily = Italian RC, Cyprus
has a RC as far as I'm aware also, and Egypt should soon have one).
So ultimately it's up to these bodies to deal with these records and to
categorize them. Clearly, an opinion paper with hard data could be helpfull
since, as you rightly note, a interesting pattern could emerge from a wide scale
analysis of the pattern or occurence, which could not immediately be obvious at
a national scale.

Best regards

Pierre


Pierre-André Crochet
CNRS-UMR 5175 Centre d'Ecologie Fonctionnelle et Evolutive
1919, route de Mende
34293 Montpellier cedex 5
France
tel: + 33 6 07 32 60 75 (mobile)
      + 33 4 67 61 32 98 (office)
fax: + 33 4 67 41 21 38



________________________________

De : Andrea Corso [mailto:voloerrante@...]
Envoyé : 23 November 2009 10:41
À : Arnoud B van den Berg; Ferran Lopez Sanz; Eurotwich; Pierre-André CROCHET
Objet : // Disarmed // RE: // Disarmed // RE: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch]
Belted Kingfisher in Spain


A very interesting case, on this regard, to discuss (I can't come this time at
the meeting...) would be about Glossy Starling group...  as I'm sure that
studing better the occurrence of Lamprotornis species in Western Palearctic it
would came to light that at least some records are referred to genuine birds...
not ONLY to escapes (its the case with some early April occurrence in last years
in same day in Sicily, Madeira, Tenerife, Egypt, Cyprus and other migrant trap
HOT SPOTS sites)!
Cat. D should be kept, but the discussion would be better to deal as so: any
bird seen (even a duck) should be studied extensively and any possible ipothesis
considered before simpyl discarted as an escape because a too coloured or
commonly taken into captivity species... :-)
In Italy, anytime an odd bird turn somewhere (Pink-backed Pelican and even
White, Glossy Starling. Rd-billed Teal, Spur-winged Lapwing, Lesser Scaup,
Redhead, just to mention some) it is simply reported as an escape without any
other further consideration... :-(

Ciao

Andrea Corso


PS. in these days I photographed a Southern Great Grey Shrike algeriensis, at
Siracusa, Sicily, I think a 1st for Europe....my be its an escape :-)




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	 Da: Pierre-André CROCHET <pierre-andre.crochet@...>
	 Oggetto: RE: // Disarmed // RE: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted
Kingfisher in Spain
	 A: "Arnoud B van den Berg" <arnoud.b.vandenberg@...>, "Ferran Lopez Sanz"
<ferranlopez@...>, "Eurotwich" <birdline@yahoogroups.com>
	 Data: Lunedì 23 novembre 2009, 09:38



	 Hi Arnould,

	 An interesting subject to discuss at the next AERC meeting at the end of next
week...

	 However, I'm not a great fan of the Dutch policy (if it can't ve proven an
escape then it's wild) so I prefer to retain a cat D for dubious cases...

	 Best regards,

	 Pierre

	 Pierre-André Crochet
	 CNRS-UMR 5175 Centre d'Ecologie Fonctionnelle et Evolutive
	 1919, route de Mende
	 34293 Montpellier cedex 5
	 France
	 tel: + 33 6 07 32 60 75 (mobile)
	 + 33 4 67 61 32 98 (office)
	 fax: + 33 4 67 41 21 38

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	 Envoyé : 23 November 2009 01:35
	 À : 'Ferran Lopez Sanz'; Pierre-André CROCHET; 'Eurotwich'
	 Objet : RE: // Disarmed // RE: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted
Kingfisher in Spain

	 It would be better if 'Category D' were abolished altogether as, indeed, it can
be argued that virtually all rare migratory species can be placed in this
category.

	 All the best

	 Arnoud

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	 Verzonden: zondag 22 november 2009 20:14
	 Aan: Piere-Andre Crochet; Eurotwich
	 Onderwerp: RE: // Disarmed // RE: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted
Kingfisher in Spain

	 Hi Pierre,

	 Personally, I guess the most probable origin for this bird is wild. In support
of tis there are a few subjects I consider: it lacks any rings, the plumage is
in good conditions, and is not behaving as a cage bird, all the opposite, rather
shy, according to the observers which saw the bird during last days.

	 However, as I said in my previous mail, in Spain also had some odd records of
rarities, like Pied Crow, some kingfisher or rails, not to forget the very high
number of exotic species recorded (more than 300), which were of captive origin,
which is making me to consider the category D as a good option for this case.
	 Remember the D is not discarding natural arrival!

	 Anyway, this is a subject for the Spanish RC, for which I suggest you to
contact his secretary, Nacho Dies.


	 Greetings,

	 Ferran López

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	 Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:58:01 +0100
	 Subject: // Disarmed // RE: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher
in Spain

	 Hi Ferran!

	 How are you? all well I hope!

	 I'm actually very surprised by your comment that the bird should be treatd as
cat D, as I would expect the Spannish RC to place is quite straightforwardly in
cat A. The species has a series of records in autumn and winter in Europe, and
is obviously able to wander a lot after making landfall in Europe (see the last
Brit record). The distance from Murcia to the Atlantic coast of spain (500 km )
is not much longer than from Norfolk to the West Coast of UK (300 km), yet many
transatlantic vagrants have been seen in Norfolk and subsequently placed in cat
A.
	 The alternative (an escape) is harder to believe: the bird is a 1cy, so would
have to be born incaptivity or imported from America in the plumage it's wearing
now. I doubt many people/collections are breeding the species in captivity (not
even sure the species is actually kept in captivity somewhere in spain). I also
doubt a bird could have such a pristine plumage (tail and wing feathers are near
	 perfect) after being caught and transported.

	 I really see no reason to doubt this is wild bird (except that some Brits want
to keep all the good birds for themselves :)))))))))

	 Best ,

	 Pierre

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	 To: Lee Evans; Eurotwich
	 Subject: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in Spain

	 Dear Lee and all,

	 Thanks for pointing the possible captivity origin of the Belted Kingfisher, as
well as for the short set of examples of other species recorded in Spain as
such. Don't worry, we are having here a deep discussion regarding the possible
origin, and we are aware of this, since in Spain we have a group, the GAE,
devoted to the categorization of each species of putative exotic origin. We have
at present a list of 323 taxa (mostly species) categorized as E in the wild in
Spain, surely the biggest number of this kind of species recorded in any country
in Europe. So, thanks for the advice, but we know very well the problem of the
status of vagrants in Spain, and whether they could be considered as scapes from
captivity!

	 Moreover, the GAE in his webpage are updating the E cases recorded in each
country of Europe. You can check this at their webapge, where the European list
is available (updated to July 2007) at
	 http://www.seo. org/programa_ seccion_ficha. cfm?idPrograma= 17&idArticulo= 271
<http://www.seo.org/programa_seccion_ficha.cfm?idPrograma=17&idArticulo=271>
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271 <http://www.seo.org/programa_seccion_ficha.cfm?idPrograma=17&idArticulo=271>
>

	 That case of Belted Kingfisher is not so straightforward. Perhaps is a true
vagrant, which arrived here from N Europe now, after it reach the continent in
autumn, unnoticed somewhere. There is also, of course, the captivity origin as
an explanation. Probably the best category for it, at this stage, is a D.

	 Updated in true time of news of rarities in Spain, are available at Reservoir
Birds www.reservoirbids. com where you could follow each new sighting of the
bird.

	 Hoping this is of some help,

	 Greetings,

	 Ferran López
	 Reservoir Birds
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	 Ferran

	 I am told that there was an escaped Collared Kingfisher in the Malaga area last
year and following species like Egyptian Plover, Black-necked Stilt and Allen's
Gallinule, have you considered the possibility that this extreme vagrant is an
escape from captivity. I realise that this species is virtually unheard of in
collections but with Spain's track record of late, a question mark must really
hang over this bird and its geographical position within the Mediterranean basin

	 Best wishes

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I'm not an English lenguage birder Lee... so I can't know all those changing in
English name, every now and then...
So, I'm sorry for that....
I can reply as a joke why many still mostly do not know scientific name, and
when they know those, yet they pronunce in a very funny way totally different
from how they should sound like  :-)   :-) ;-)  
 
I was not asking opinion if its a surprise or not to find one in "Europe" or
that is not a surprise to be the only one (we do not need to be genius to
realise that a short distance migrant or a sedentary bird is less likely to
occur :-) but if actually there is any record...so, I was searching an help on
its status.... 
 
I'm not talking about Dutch Birding but several scientific magazines
check for ex.
 
http://www.springerlink.com/content/w10n22228830022g/
 
and some other ongoing researches I know about .... 
 
In any case, this does not means I agree or dis-agree, as I've not studied their
taxonomy but only their ID problem (visiting N Africa and Middle East 2-3 times
a year and Spain) and therefore I've not enough knowledges to split or to lump
them....many people like to split or lump just on personal biasis, I do not as
I'm not a genetist or I can't simply fellow my "nose" and my personal taste...
 
I've only reported what COULD BE and what it COULD  happen...  and I've written
this just because I know that twitchers like splittig, while for ex. I am happy
that any different taxon should deserve same attention, same protection level,
same importance.
 
for regarding of ID of meridionalis nominate, Iberian to call it as you like,
why did you guess its a 1st winter? may be because still many birders believe
that ONLY 1st y bird wander?  Many adult over-shoot too and wander too....not
necesserly "crazy teens"  ;-)
 
I'm still not sure about its ageing though its lacking any pale tipped GC or PC,
not even the older looking one showing any juvenile type pattern, and the bill
its fully solidly black...
 
Also, ID of Iberian and Desert (sorry but why Desert if most of "them" are found
along the coast ?? or should we open a monster wide discussion on elegans versus
algeriensis and their true taxonomy??) its rather difficult, you're right and
sometimes may prove to be impossible actually, but this is when we are not
facing with simply perfect looking bird as the status of the art want:
 
this bird does not has any even slightest hint of pale supercilium (even if
several algeriensis may show a supericilium over lores though usually shorter
than meridionalis, I've missed yet to find meridionalis lacking it
altogether!),  the bill its stronger than most Iberian and less "hooked" (on
this regard North African taxa being closer to Saxaul pallidirostris), the
underparts fully lead grey without any even slight pinkish hue (by November,
even 1st winter Iberian most of the time show pinkish hue or tinge on msotly
moulted underparts), very much contrasting with off white throat, the song and
the call are closer to algeriensis than to meridonalis and....  as you say they
are not long distance migrant...Sicily its 200 km from Tunisia and Siracusa its
more to the south of Tunis... while Spain is far more distant...however, we have
in Northern and Central Italy something like 20 records of Iberian so, anything
its possible indeed :-9)  birds like
  to wander and to surprise ornithologists with frim personal belivings (just
watch out what the Saker radio-satellited each year do!! :-)
 
Two final considerations:
 
1) I do not necesserly agree with any splitting authors suggested, but simply I
report what most recent and detailed reseraches have reported
 
2) would be great to open a discussion about the true appearance and validity of
all North African and Middle East taxa such as  elegans and algeriensis...but
this need an entire long paper! 
 
3) is not even my job to report this bird as a sure one, we will see waht the RC
will say about...
 
All in all a very interesting discussion and occasion to study more the matter,
stimulating a deeper look to this fascinating birds that I love  :-)
 
Andrea Corso
SR

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Da: LGREUK400@... <LGREUK400@...>
Oggetto: Re: [EuroTwitch] Algerian Southern Grey Shrike in Sicily
A: voloerrante@..., birdline@yahoogroups.com
Data: Martedì 24 novembre 2009, 17:34




In a message dated 24/11/2009 15:05:59 GMT Standard Time, voloerrante@...
writes:
Steppe Grey Shrike for Italy

Andrea
 
Why do you (and others) continue to describe pallidirostris as 'Steppe Grey
Shrike'? It is NOT a species of steppe habitat but rather restricted to Saxaul
bushes and associated habitat in its natural range. A far more accurate
description is 'Saxaul Grey Shrike' which Lars Svensson, I and others adopted
some time ago.
 
Fantastic find with your undoubted 'algeriensis' shrike however but with a
predominantly resident and short-distant wanderer, I am not surprised that there
are few 'extralimital' occurrences of this form. I believe you are referring to
work carried out and followed by Dutch Birding in January and treating 'Desert
Grey Shrike' as a separate species, embracing the four recognised types
occurring in North Africa. 'Iberian Grey Shrike' being a further species (and
even more sedentary in its movements).
 
Do you know any way of 'confidently' separating first-year Desert Grey Shrike
from first-year Iberian Grey Shrike?
 
Very best wishes
 
Lee Evans




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In a message dated 24/11/2009 15:05:59 GMT Standard Time,
voloerrante@... writes:

Steppe  Grey Shrike for Italy


Andrea

Why do you (and others) continue to describe pallidirostris as 'Steppe Grey
  Shrike'? It is NOT a species of steppe habitat but rather restricted to
Saxaul  bushes and associated habitat in its natural range. A far more
accurate  description is 'Saxaul Grey Shrike' which Lars Svensson, I and others
adopted  some time ago.

Fantastic find with your undoubted 'algeriensis' shrike however but with a
predominantly resident and short-distant wanderer, I am not surprised that
there  are few 'extralimital' occurrences of this form. I believe you are
referring to  work carried out and followed by Dutch Birding in January and
treating 'Desert  Grey Shrike' as a separate species, embracing the four
recognised types  occurring in North Africa. 'Iberian Grey Shrike' being a
further species (and  even more sedentary in its movements).

Do you know any way of 'confidently' separating first-year Desert Grey
Shrike from first-year Iberian Grey Shrike?

Very best wishes

Lee Evans


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Hi folk,
 
in these days a fantastic singing male Lanius (meridionalis) algeriensis is
showing very well in Siracusa, S Sicily and I think is gonna stay for the whole
winter...it is staing in exaclty the same site where in 2000-2001 I found the
1st Steppe Grey Shrike for Italy (that spent 5 months there)
 
first, who whish to come and twitch it I'll be happy to show this little grey
star....
 
then:  does anybody know of any other record of this taxon in Europe ?
 
 
I think its the 1st European record of typical and confirmed algeriensis... even
more interesting as the North African group of SG Shrike deserve probably to be
splitted from Spanish G S  according to some recent DNA analisis and papers...
and ongoing studies.
 
An account of the record will be published soon I think in Birding World
 
Ciao and thanks for the info
 
Andrea Corso
Siracusa




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Ricard (and others)

Please do not get the idea that I am 'rubbishing' this record - far from it
  - and I totally agree that it is most likely a natural vagrant and if
pushed, I  would vote for it being accepted as such. I have already made
enquiries as to  its origins in terms of captivity and as expected, there are NO
registered  keepers or trade in this fully protected CITES species.

But, on the other hand, a rigorous approach must be taken when dealing with
  records of such rare vagrants in Iberia. As you are fully aware, I have
serious  reservations about the Ruppell's Griffon Vultures and Lesser
Flamingoes, and do  not believe that the Egyptian Plover was a genuine vagrant,
nor
the Northern  Bald Ibis at Trujillo. As for the Allen's Gallinule, it was me
that raised  doubts over the El Rocio adult's credibility after realising
the circumstances  surrounding this record - I believe if I hadn't have
raised an issue about that  record then that too would now be languishing in
Category A

Best wishes

Lee



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

What's going on before in a region does not mean anything but history. If
not, start thinking in removing almost anything from places where some
'visionaries' have said they have seen x or y.
The character of 'confiding' you say is not right according to the observer
and the file he is submitting to the Rarities Committee. Or if any it will
be analyzed when the file will be processed. The superb photos he took were
really a matter of luck as they were taken from a car and only in one of the
ocasions. First-hand information and scientifical analysis is advisable in
cases such as this. But calm and caution is always a good companion.

The Rarities Committee will take its time to analyze the record. So far we
have not any doubt on it. It only stayed three days besides to the
dissapointment of those now saying it might be an escape. Some other people
even booked fights, but wild birds are that: wild, and they behave as such,
not according to our schedules (unfortunately at times, I have to admit).

What the RC has done to further clarify the bird origin is contacting the
network of bird importers along Europe to see if the species in in their
lists. These contacts are sensitive and very important to our list building
since they have a perfect knowledge of what's on the market and what's not.
According to our sources, the only Kingfisher species being sold nowadays is
Kookaburra and Dacelo leachi. Not the case of this species. Besides, the
bird trade contacts have made some comments on bird aspect, etc.. that give
us further evidence of the origin of the bird.

Allen's Gallinule at el Rocío was presumably an escape from a nearby
collection (Cañada de los Pájaros), so it has been credited in the
forthcoming Rarities Report in Spain for 2007, alredy in print (pdf proofs
being corrected this week).

The low density of observers in many parts of Spain still allows someone to
find by himself (or herself) a good bird. And this is an example such as
others in the past.

Best wishes

Ricard Gutiérrez
http://www.rarebirdspain.net



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De: birdline@yahoogroups.com [mailto:birdline@yahoogroups.com] En nombre de
LGREUK400@...
Enviado el: martes, 24 de noviembre de 2009 12:58
Para: arnoud.vandenberg@...; Ken.Tucker@...;
birdline@yahoogroups.com
Asunto: Re: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in Spain




Arnoud

I was drawn into this debate by several of Spain's 'leading' twitchers who
had grave doubts about the bird's provenance largely based on what has gone
on before in the region (and rightfully so). This bird is/was remarkably
confiding (see published images on the internet) which is not a normal trait

of this species from my own experience. I totally agree that the record is
not out of place in a vagrancy context and if it is a first-winter as
claimed, then yes it must have very good credentials.

The Allen's Gallinule I wasted money on in the Donana turned up exactly
when one would expect (and was not a species I expected to be kept in
captivity) but had escaped from a collection in strong winds.

As you know Arnoud, we all have different levels of acceptance and none of
us can agree on provenance. We have the same individuals in Britain as The
Netherlands on occasion and different decisions arise. For example,
European White Pelicans - they are accepted on to the Dutch List but
rejected in
Britain; Hooded Merganser - accepted in Britain but rejected in The
Netherlands. Wildfowl records are constantly treated differently. Yes, you
are
absolutely right, no consistency and I would like us all to come to sensible

decisions laterally as to the origins of vagrants.

There are no doubts whatsoever that species like Baikal Teal, Falcated
Duck, Marbled Duck and White-headed Duck are turning up as natural vagrants
in
my opinion.

All the very best

Lee Evans

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Arnoud

I was drawn into this debate by several of Spain's 'leading' twitchers who
had grave doubts about the bird's provenance largely based on what has gone
on  before in the region (and rightfully so). This bird is/was remarkably
confiding  (see published images on the internet) which is not a normal trait
of this  species from my own experience. I totally agree that the record is
not out of  place in a vagrancy context and if it is a first-winter as
claimed, then yes it  must have very good credentials.

The Allen's Gallinule I wasted money on in the Donana turned up exactly
when one would expect (and was not a species I expected to be kept in
captivity)  but had escaped from a collection in strong winds.

As you know Arnoud, we all have different levels of acceptance and none of
us can agree on provenance. We have the same individuals in Britain as The
Netherlands on occasion and different decisions arise. For example,
European  White Pelicans - they are accepted on to the Dutch List but rejected
in
Britain;  Hooded Merganser - accepted in Britain but rejected in The
Netherlands. Wildfowl  records are constantly treated differently. Yes, you are
absolutely right, no  consistency and I would like us all to come to sensible
decisions laterally as  to the origins of vagrants.

There are no doubts whatsoever that species like Baikal Teal, Falcated
Duck, Marbled Duck and White-headed Duck are turning up as natural vagrants in
my opinion.

All the very best

Lee Evans


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A very interesting case, on this regard, to discuss (I can't come this time at
the meeting...) would be about Glossy Starling group...  as I'm sure that
studing better the occurrence of Lamprotornis species in Western Palearctic it
would came to light that at least some records are referred to genuine birds...
not ONLY to escapes (its the case with some early April occurrence in last
years in same day in Sicily, Madeira, Tenerife, Egypt, Cyprus and other migrant
trap HOT SPOTS sites)!
Cat. D should be kept, but the discussion would be better to deal as so: any
bird seen (even a duck) should be studied extensively and any possible ipothesis
considered before simpyl discarted as an escape because a too coloured or
commonly taken into captivity species... :-)
In Italy, anytime an odd bird turn somewhere (Pink-backed Pelican and even
White, Glossy Starling. Rd-billed Teal, Spur-winged Lapwing, Lesser Scaup,
Redhead, just to mention some) it is simply reported as an escape without any
other further consideration... :-(
 
Ciao
 
Andrea Corso
 
 
PS. in these days I photographed a Southern Great Grey Shrike algeriensis, at
Siracusa, Sicily, I think a 1st for Europe....my be its an escape :-)
 
 
 

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scritto:


Da: Pierre-André CROCHET <pierre-andre.crochet@...>
Oggetto: RE: // Disarmed // RE: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted
Kingfisher in Spain
A: "Arnoud B van den Berg" <arnoud.b.vandenberg@...>, "Ferran Lopez Sanz"
<ferranlopez@...>, "Eurotwich" <birdline@yahoogroups.com>
Data: Lunedì 23 novembre 2009, 09:38


 



Hi Arnould,

An interesting subject to discuss at the next AERC meeting at the end of next
week...

However, I'm not a great fan of the Dutch policy (if it can't ve proven an
escape then it's wild) so I prefer to retain a cat D for dubious cases...

Best regards,

Pierre

Pierre-André Crochet
CNRS-UMR 5175 Centre d'Ecologie Fonctionnelle et Evolutive
1919, route de Mende
34293 Montpellier cedex 5
France
tel: + 33 6 07 32 60 75 (mobile)
+ 33 4 67 61 32 98 (office)
fax: + 33 4 67 41 21 38

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De : Arnoud B van den Berg [mailto:arnoud.b.vandenberg @gmail.com]
Envoyé : 23 November 2009 01:35
À : 'Ferran Lopez Sanz'; Pierre-André CROCHET; 'Eurotwich'
Objet : RE: // Disarmed // RE: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher
in Spain

It would be better if 'Category D' were abolished altogether as, indeed, it can
be argued that virtually all rare migratory species can be placed in this
category.

All the best

Arnoud

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: birdline@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:birdline@yahoogroup s.com] Namens Ferran
Lopez Sanz
Verzonden: zondag 22 november 2009 20:14
Aan: Piere-Andre Crochet; Eurotwich
Onderwerp: RE: // Disarmed // RE: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted
Kingfisher in Spain

Hi Pierre,

Personally, I guess the most probable origin for this bird is wild. In support
of tis there are a few subjects I consider: it lacks any rings, the plumage is
in good conditions, and is not behaving as a cage bird, all the opposite, rather
shy, according to the observers which saw the bird during last days.

However, as I said in my previous mail, in Spain also had some odd records of
rarities, like Pied Crow, some kingfisher or rails, not to forget the very high
number of exotic species recorded (more than 300), which were of captive origin,
which is making me to consider the category D as a good option for this case.
Remember the D is not discarding natural arrival!

Anyway, this is a subject for the Spanish RC, for which I suggest you to contact
his secretary, Nacho Dies.


Greetings,

Ferran López

To: ferranlopez@ hotmail.com; lgreuk400@aol. com; birdline@yahoogroup s.com
From: pierre-andre. crochet@cefe. cnrs.fr
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:58:01 +0100
Subject: // Disarmed // RE: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in
Spain

Hi Ferran!

How are you? all well I hope!

I'm actually very surprised by your comment that the bird should be treatd as
cat D, as I would expect the Spannish RC to place is quite straightforwardly in
cat A. The species has a series of records in autumn and winter in Europe, and
is obviously able to wander a lot after making landfall in Europe (see the last
Brit record). The distance from Murcia to the Atlantic coast of spain (500 km )
is not much longer than from Norfolk to the West Coast of UK (300 km), yet many
transatlantic vagrants have been seen in Norfolk and subsequently placed in cat
A.
The alternative (an escape) is harder to believe: the bird is a 1cy, so would
have to be born incaptivity or imported from America in the plumage it's wearing
now. I doubt many people/collections are breeding the species in captivity (not
even sure the species is actually kept in captivity somewhere in spain). I also
doubt a bird could have such a pristine plumage (tail and wing feathers are near
perfect) after being caught and transported.

I really see no reason to doubt this is wild bird (except that some Brits want
to keep all the good birds for themselves :)))))))))

Best ,

Pierre

____________ _________ _________ __

From: birdline@yahoogroup s.com on behalf of Ferran Lopez Sanz
Sent: Fri 20/11/2009 14:05
To: Lee Evans; Eurotwich
Subject: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in Spain

Dear Lee and all,

Thanks for pointing the possible captivity origin of the Belted Kingfisher, as
well as for the short set of examples of other species recorded in Spain as
such. Don't worry, we are having here a deep discussion regarding the possible
origin, and we are aware of this, since in Spain we have a group, the GAE,
devoted to the categorization of each species of putative exotic origin. We have
at present a list of 323 taxa (mostly species) categorized as E in the wild in
Spain, surely the biggest number of this kind of species recorded in any country
in Europe. So, thanks for the advice, but we know very well the problem of the
status of vagrants in Spain, and whether they could be considered as scapes from
captivity!

Moreover, the GAE in his webpage are updating the E cases recorded in each
country of Europe. You can check this at their webapge, where the European list
is available (updated to July 2007) at
http://www.seo. org/programa_ seccion_ficha. cfm?idPrograma= 17&idArticulo= 271
<http://www.seo. org/programa_ seccion_ficha. cfm?idPrograma= 17&idArticulo=
271>

That case of Belted Kingfisher is not so straightforward. Perhaps is a true
vagrant, which arrived here from N Europe now, after it reach the continent in
autumn, unnoticed somewhere. There is also, of course, the captivity origin as
an explanation. Probably the best category for it, at this stage, is a D.

Updated in true time of news of rarities in Spain, are available at Reservoir
Birds www.reservoirbids. com where you could follow each new sighting of the
bird.

Hoping this is of some help,

Greetings,

Ferran López
Reservoir Birds
http://www.reservoi rbirds.com <http://www.reservoi rbirds.com/>

From: LGREUK400@aol. com <mailto:LGREUK400% 40aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:32:59 -0500
Subject: Re: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in Spain
To: ferranlopez@ hotmail.com <mailto:ferranlopez %40hotmail. com> ;
birdline@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:birdline% 40yahoogroups. com>

Ferran

I am told that there was an escaped Collared Kingfisher in the Malaga area last
year and following species like Egyptian Plover, Black-necked Stilt and Allen's
Gallinule, have you considered the possibility that this extreme vagrant is an
escape from captivity. I realise that this species is virtually unheard of in
collections but with Spain's track record of late, a question mark must really
hang over this bird and its geographical position within the Mediterranean basin

Best wishes

Lee Evans
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Hi Arnould,

An interesting subject to discuss at the next AERC meeting at the end of next
week...

However, I'm not a great fan of the Dutch policy (if it can't ve proven an
escape then it's wild) so I prefer to retain a cat D for dubious cases...

Best regards,

Pierre



Pierre-André Crochet
CNRS-UMR 5175 Centre d'Ecologie Fonctionnelle et Evolutive
1919, route de Mende
34293 Montpellier cedex 5
France
tel: + 33 6 07 32 60 75 (mobile)
      + 33 4 67 61 32 98 (office)
fax: + 33 4 67 41 21 38


-----Message d'origine-----
De : Arnoud B van den Berg [mailto:arnoud.b.vandenberg@...]
Envoyé : 23 November 2009 01:35
À : 'Ferran Lopez Sanz'; Pierre-André CROCHET; 'Eurotwich'
Objet : RE: // Disarmed // RE: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher
in Spain

It would be better if 'Category D' were abolished altogether as, indeed, it can
be argued that virtually all rare migratory species can be placed in this
category.

All the best

Arnoud

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: birdline@yahoogroups.com [mailto:birdline@yahoogroups.com] Namens Ferran
Lopez Sanz
Verzonden: zondag 22 november 2009 20:14
Aan: Piere-Andre Crochet; Eurotwich
Onderwerp: RE: // Disarmed // RE: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted
Kingfisher in Spain


Hi Pierre,

Personally, I guess the most probable origin for this bird is wild. In support
of tis there are a few subjects I consider: it lacks any rings, the plumage is
in good conditions, and is not behaving as a cage bird, all the opposite, rather
shy, according to the observers which saw the bird during last days.

However, as I said in my previous mail, in Spain also had some odd records of
rarities, like Pied Crow, some kingfisher or rails, not to forget the very high
number of exotic species recorded (more than 300), which were of captive origin,
which is making me to consider the category D as a good option for this case.
Remember the D is not discarding natural arrival!

Anyway, this is a subject for the Spanish RC, for which I suggest you to contact
his secretary, Nacho Dies.


Greetings,



Ferran López





To: ferranlopez@...; lgreuk400@...; birdline@yahoogroups.com
From: pierre-andre.crochet@...
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:58:01 +0100
Subject: // Disarmed // RE: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in
Spain





Hi Ferran!

How are you? all well I hope!

I'm actually very surprised by your comment that the bird should be treatd as
cat D, as I would expect the Spannish RC to place is quite straightforwardly in
cat A. The species has a series of records in autumn and winter in Europe, and
is obviously able to wander a lot after making landfall in Europe (see the last
Brit record). The distance from Murcia to the Atlantic coast of spain (500 km )
is not much longer than from Norfolk to the West Coast of UK (300 km), yet many
transatlantic vagrants have been seen in Norfolk and subsequently placed in cat
A.
The alternative (an escape) is harder to believe: the bird is a 1cy, so would
have to be born incaptivity or imported from America in the plumage it's wearing
now. I doubt many people/collections are breeding the species in captivity (not
even sure the species is actually kept in captivity somewhere in spain). I also
doubt a bird could have such a pristine plumage (tail and wing feathers are near
perfect) after being caught and transported.

I really see no reason to doubt this is wild bird (except that some Brits want
to keep all the good birds for themselves :)))))))))

Best ,

Pierre

________________________________

From: birdline@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Ferran Lopez Sanz
Sent: Fri 20/11/2009 14:05
To: Lee Evans; Eurotwich
Subject: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in Spain

Dear Lee and all,

Thanks for pointing the possible captivity origin of the Belted Kingfisher, as
well as for the short set of examples of other species recorded in Spain as
such. Don't worry, we are having here a deep discussion regarding the possible
origin, and we are aware of this, since in Spain we have a group, the GAE,
devoted to the categorization of each species of putative exotic origin. We have
at present a list of 323 taxa (mostly species) categorized as E in the wild in
Spain, surely the biggest number of this kind of species recorded in any country
in Europe. So, thanks for the advice, but we know very well the problem of the
status of vagrants in Spain, and whether they could be considered as scapes from
captivity!

Moreover, the GAE in his webpage are updating the E cases recorded in each
country of Europe. You can check this at their webapge, where the European list
is available (updated to July 2007) at
http://www.seo.org/programa_seccion_ficha.cfm?idPrograma=17&idArticulo=271
<http://www.seo.org/programa_seccion_ficha.cfm?idPrograma=17&idArticulo=271>

That case of Belted Kingfisher is not so straightforward. Perhaps is a true
vagrant, which arrived here from N Europe now, after it reach the continent in
autumn, unnoticed somewhere. There is also, of course, the captivity origin as
an explanation. Probably the best category for it, at this stage, is a D.

Updated in true time of news of rarities in Spain, are available at Reservoir
Birds www.reservoirbids.com where you could follow each new sighting of the
bird.

Hoping this is of some help,

Greetings,

Ferran López
Reservoir Birds
http://www.reservoirbirds.com <http://www.reservoirbirds.com/>

From: LGREUK400@... <mailto:LGREUK400%40aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:32:59 -0500
Subject: Re: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in Spain
To: ferranlopez@... <mailto:ferranlopez%40hotmail.com> ;
birdline@yahoogroups.com <mailto:birdline%40yahoogroups.com>

Ferran

I am told that there was an escaped Collared Kingfisher in the Malaga area last
year and following species like Egyptian Plover, Black-necked Stilt and Allen's
Gallinule, have you considered the possibility that this extreme vagrant is an
escape from captivity. I realise that this species is virtually unheard of in
collections but with Spain's track record of late, a question mark must really
hang over this bird and its geographical position within the Mediterranean basin

Best wishes

Lee Evans
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It would be better if 'Category D' were abolished altogether as, indeed, it can
be argued that virtually all rare migratory species can be placed in this
category.

All the best

Arnoud

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: birdline@yahoogroups.com [mailto:birdline@yahoogroups.com] Namens Ferran
Lopez Sanz
Verzonden: zondag 22 november 2009 20:14
Aan: Piere-Andre Crochet; Eurotwich
Onderwerp: RE: // Disarmed // RE: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted
Kingfisher in Spain


Hi Pierre,

Personally, I guess the most probable origin for this bird is wild. In support
of tis there are a few subjects I consider: it lacks any rings, the plumage is
in good conditions, and is not behaving as a cage bird, all the opposite, rather
shy, according to the observers which saw the bird during last days.

However, as I said in my previous mail, in Spain also had some odd records of
rarities, like Pied Crow, some kingfisher or rails, not to forget the very high
number of exotic species recorded (more than 300), which were of captive origin,
which is making me to consider the category D as a good option for this case.
Remember the D is not discarding natural arrival!

Anyway, this is a subject for the Spanish RC, for which I suggest you to contact
his secretary, Nacho Dies.


Greetings,



Ferran López





To: ferranlopez@...; lgreuk400@...; birdline@yahoogroups.com
From: pierre-andre.crochet@...
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:58:01 +0100
Subject: // Disarmed // RE: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in
Spain





Hi Ferran!

How are you? all well I hope!

I'm actually very surprised by your comment that the bird should be treatd as
cat D, as I would expect the Spannish RC to place is quite straightforwardly in
cat A. The species has a series of records in autumn and winter in Europe, and
is obviously able to wander a lot after making landfall in Europe (see the last
Brit record). The distance from Murcia to the Atlantic coast of spain (500 km )
is not much longer than from Norfolk to the West Coast of UK (300 km), yet many
transatlantic vagrants have been seen in Norfolk and subsequently placed in cat
A.
The alternative (an escape) is harder to believe: the bird is a 1cy, so would
have to be born incaptivity or imported from America in the plumage it's wearing
now. I doubt many people/collections are breeding the species in captivity (not
even sure the species is actually kept in captivity somewhere in spain). I also
doubt a bird could have such a pristine plumage (tail and wing feathers are near
perfect) after being caught and transported.

I really see no reason to doubt this is wild bird (except that some Brits want
to keep all the good birds for themselves :)))))))))

Best ,

Pierre

________________________________

From: birdline@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Ferran Lopez Sanz
Sent: Fri 20/11/2009 14:05
To: Lee Evans; Eurotwich
Subject: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in Spain

Dear Lee and all,

Thanks for pointing the possible captivity origin of the Belted Kingfisher, as
well as for the short set of examples of other species recorded in Spain as
such. Don't worry, we are having here a deep discussion regarding the possible
origin, and we are aware of this, since in Spain we have a group, the GAE,
devoted to the categorization of each species of putative exotic origin. We have
at present a list of 323 taxa (mostly species) categorized as E in the wild in
Spain, surely the biggest number of this kind of species recorded in any country
in Europe. So, thanks for the advice, but we know very well the problem of the
status of vagrants in Spain, and whether they could be considered as scapes from
captivity!

Moreover, the GAE in his webpage are updating the E cases recorded in each
country of Europe. You can check this at their webapge, where the European list
is available (updated to July 2007) at
http://www.seo.org/programa_seccion_ficha.cfm?idPrograma=17&idArticulo=271
<http://www.seo.org/programa_seccion_ficha.cfm?idPrograma=17&idArticulo=271>

That case of Belted Kingfisher is not so straightforward. Perhaps is a true
vagrant, which arrived here from N Europe now, after it reach the continent in
autumn, unnoticed somewhere. There is also, of course, the captivity origin as
an explanation. Probably the best category for it, at this stage, is a D.

Updated in true time of news of rarities in Spain, are available at Reservoir
Birds www.reservoirbids.com where you could follow each new sighting of the
bird.

Hoping this is of some help,

Greetings,

Ferran López
Reservoir Birds
http://www.reservoirbirds.com <http://www.reservoirbirds.com/>

From: LGREUK400@... <mailto:LGREUK400%40aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:32:59 -0500
Subject: Re: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in Spain
To: ferranlopez@... <mailto:ferranlopez%40hotmail.com> ;
birdline@yahoogroups.com <mailto:birdline%40yahoogroups.com>

Ferran

I am told that there was an escaped Collared Kingfisher in the Malaga area last
year and following species like Egyptian Plover, Black-necked Stilt and Allen's
Gallinule, have you considered the possibility that this extreme vagrant is an
escape from captivity. I realise that this species is virtually unheard of in
collections but with Spain's track record of late, a question mark must really
hang over this bird and its geographical position within the Mediterranean basin

Best wishes

Lee Evans
__________________________________________________________
Sólo hay un loro experto en Windows 7 en todo el mundo. Y vive en Sietes
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Hi Pierre,

Personally, I guess the most probable origin for this bird is wild. In support
of tis there are a few subjects I consider: it lacks any rings, the plumage is
in good conditions, and is not behaving as a cage bird, all the opposite, rather
shy, according to the observers which saw the bird during last days.

However, as I said in my previous mail, in Spain also had some odd records of
rarities, like Pied Crow, some kingfisher or rails, not to forget the very high
number of exotic species recorded (more than 300), which were of captive origin,
which is making me to consider the category D as a good option for this case.
Remember the D is not discarding natural arrival!

Anyway, this is a subject for the Spanish RC, for which I suggest you to contact
his secretary, Nacho Dies.


Greetings,



Ferran López





To: ferranlopez@...; lgreuk400@...; birdline@yahoogroups.com
From: pierre-andre.crochet@...
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:58:01 +0100
Subject: // Disarmed // RE: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in
Spain





Hi Ferran!

How are you? all well I hope!

I'm actually very surprised by your comment that the bird should be treatd as
cat D, as I would expect the Spannish RC to place is quite straightforwardly in
cat A. The species has a series of records in autumn and winter in Europe, and
is obviously able to wander a lot after making landfall in Europe (see the last
Brit record). The distance from Murcia to the Atlantic coast of spain (500 km )
is not much longer than from Norfolk to the West Coast of UK (300 km), yet many
transatlantic vagrants have been seen in Norfolk and subsequently placed in cat
A.
The alternative (an escape) is harder to believe: the bird is a 1cy, so would
have to be born incaptivity or imported from America in the plumage it's wearing
now. I doubt many people/collections are breeding the species in captivity (not
even sure the species is actually kept in captivity somewhere in spain). I also
doubt a bird could have such a pristine plumage (tail and wing feathers are near
perfect) after being caught and transported.

I really see no reason to doubt this is wild bird (except that some Brits want
to keep all the good birds for themselves :)))))))))

Best ,

Pierre

________________________________

From: birdline@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Ferran Lopez Sanz
Sent: Fri 20/11/2009 14:05
To: Lee Evans; Eurotwich
Subject: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in Spain

Dear Lee and all,

Thanks for pointing the possible captivity origin of the Belted Kingfisher, as
well as for the short set of examples of other species recorded in Spain as
such. Don't worry, we are having here a deep discussion regarding the possible
origin, and we are aware of this, since in Spain we have a group, the GAE,
devoted to the categorization of each species of putative exotic origin. We have
at present a list of 323 taxa (mostly species) categorized as E in the wild in
Spain, surely the biggest number of this kind of species recorded in any country
in Europe. So, thanks for the advice, but we know very well the problem of the
status of vagrants in Spain, and whether they could be considered as scapes from
captivity!

Moreover, the GAE in his webpage are updating the E cases recorded in each
country of Europe. You can check this at their webapge, where the European list
is available (updated to July 2007) at
http://www.seo.org/programa_seccion_ficha.cfm?idPrograma=17&idArticulo=271
<http://www.seo.org/programa_seccion_ficha.cfm?idPrograma=17&idArticulo=271>

That case of Belted Kingfisher is not so straightforward. Perhaps is a true
vagrant, which arrived here from N Europe now, after it reach the continent in
autumn, unnoticed somewhere. There is also, of course, the captivity origin as
an explanation. Probably the best category for it, at this stage, is a D.

Updated in true time of news of rarities in Spain, are available at Reservoir
Birds www.reservoirbids.com where you could follow each new sighting of the
bird.

Hoping this is of some help,

Greetings,

Ferran López
Reservoir Birds
http://www.reservoirbirds.com <http://www.reservoirbirds.com/>

From: LGREUK400@... <mailto:LGREUK400%40aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:32:59 -0500
Subject: Re: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in Spain
To: ferranlopez@... <mailto:ferranlopez%40hotmail.com> ;
birdline@yahoogroups.com <mailto:birdline%40yahoogroups.com>

Ferran

I am told that there was an escaped Collared Kingfisher in the Malaga area last
year and following species like Egyptian Plover, Black-necked Stilt and Allen's
Gallinule, have you considered the possibility that this extreme vagrant is an
escape from captivity. I realise that this species is virtually unheard of in
collections but with Spain's track record of late, a question mark must really
hang over this bird and its geographical position within the Mediterranean basin

Best wishes

Lee Evans
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Fully agree with Pierre-Andrè and Arnoud...
 
where is the problem ?
 
I hope for one down here in Italy but it would be then much much difficult and
odd then there.... 
 
however, as WILLET last year has proven birds could arrive anywhere any time ;-)
 
just go searching for :-)
 
Ciao

Andrea Corso


--- Dom 22/11/09, Pierre-André CROCHET <pierre-andre.crochet@...> ha
scritto:


Da: Pierre-André CROCHET <pierre-andre.crochet@...>
Oggetto: // Disarmed // RE: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in
Spain
A: "Ferran Lopez Sanz" <ferranlopez@...>, "Lee Evans"
<lgreuk400@...>, "Eurotwich" <birdline@yahoogroups.com>
Data: Domenica 22 novembre 2009, 10:58


 



Hi Ferran!

How are you? all well I hope!

I'm actually very surprised by your comment that the bird should be treatd as
cat D, as I would expect the Spannish RC to place is quite straightforwardly in
cat A. The species has a series of records in autumn and winter in Europe, and
is obviously able to wander a lot after making landfall in Europe (see the last
Brit record). The distance from Murcia to the Atlantic coast of spain (500 km )
is not much longer than from Norfolk to the West Coast of UK (300 km), yet many
transatlantic vagrants have been seen in Norfolk and subsequently placed in cat
A.
The alternative (an escape) is harder to believe: the bird is a 1cy, so would
have to be born incaptivity or imported from America in the plumage it's wearing
now. I doubt many people/collections are breeding the species in captivity (not
even sure the species is actually kept in captivity somewhere in spain). I also
doubt a bird could have such a pristine plumage (tail and wing feathers are near
perfect) after being caught and transported.

I really see no reason to doubt this is wild bird (except that some Brits want
to keep all the good birds for themselves :)))))))))

Best ,

Pierre

____________ _________ _________ __

From: birdline@yahoogroup s.com on behalf of Ferran Lopez Sanz
Sent: Fri 20/11/2009 14:05
To: Lee Evans; Eurotwich
Subject: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in Spain

Dear Lee and all,

Thanks for pointing the possible captivity origin of the Belted Kingfisher, as
well as for the short set of examples of other species recorded in Spain as
such. Don't worry, we are having here a deep discussion regarding the possible
origin, and we are aware of this, since in Spain we have a group, the GAE,
devoted to the categorization of each species of putative exotic origin. We have
at present a list of 323 taxa (mostly species) categorized as E in the wild in
Spain, surely the biggest number of this kind of species recorded in any country
in Europe. So, thanks for the advice, but we know very well the problem of the
status of vagrants in Spain, and whether they could be considered as scapes from
captivity!

Moreover, the GAE in his webpage are updating the E cases recorded in each
country of Europe. You can check this at their webapge, where the European list
is available (updated to July 2007) at http://www.seo. org/programa_
seccion_ficha. cfm?idPrograma= 17&idArticulo= 271 <http://www.seo. org/programa_
seccion_ficha. cfm?idPrograma= 17&idArticulo= 271>

That case of Belted Kingfisher is not so straightforward. Perhaps is a true
vagrant, which arrived here from N Europe now, after it reach the continent in
autumn, unnoticed somewhere. There is also, of course, the captivity origin as
an explanation. Probably the best category for it, at this stage, is a D.

Updated in true time of news of rarities in Spain, are available at Reservoir
Birds www.reservoirbids. com where you could follow each new sighting of the
bird.

Hoping this is of some help,

Greetings,

Ferran López
Reservoir Birds
http://www.reservoi rbirds.com <http://www.reservoi rbirds.com/>

From: LGREUK400@aol. com <mailto:LGREUK400% 40aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:32:59 -0500
Subject: Re: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in Spain
To: ferranlopez@ hotmail.com <mailto:ferranlopez %40hotmail. com> ;
birdline@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:birdline% 40yahoogroups. com>

Ferran

I am told that there was an escaped Collared Kingfisher in the Malaga area last
year and following species like Egyptian Plover, Black-necked Stilt and Allen's
Gallinule, have you considered the possibility that this extreme vagrant is an
escape from captivity. I realise that this species is virtually unheard of in
collections but with Spain's track record of late, a question mark must really
hang over this bird and its geographical position within the Mediterranean basin

Best wishes

Lee Evans
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
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¡Cónocelo!
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Hi Ferran!

How are you? all well I hope!

I'm actually very surprised by your comment that the bird should be treatd as
cat D, as I would expect the Spannish RC to place is quite straightforwardly in
cat A. The species has a series of records in autumn and winter in Europe, and
is obviously able to wander a lot after making landfall in Europe (see the last
Brit record). The distance from Murcia to the Atlantic coast of spain (500 km )
is not much longer than from Norfolk to the West Coast of UK (300 km), yet many
transatlantic vagrants have been seen in Norfolk and subsequently placed in cat
A.
The alternative (an escape) is harder to believe: the bird is a 1cy, so would
have to be born incaptivity or imported from America in the plumage it's wearing
now. I doubt many people/collections are breeding the species in captivity (not
even sure the species is actually kept in captivity somewhere in spain). I also
doubt a bird could have such a pristine plumage (tail and wing feathers are near
perfect) after being caught and transported.

I really see no reason to doubt this is wild bird (except that some Brits want
to keep all the good birds for themselves :)))))))))

Best ,

Pierre

________________________________

From: birdline@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Ferran Lopez Sanz
Sent: Fri 20/11/2009 14:05
To: Lee Evans; Eurotwich
Subject: // Disarmed // RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in Spain





Dear Lee and all,

Thanks for pointing the possible captivity origin of the Belted Kingfisher, as
well as for the short set of examples of other species recorded in Spain as
such. Don't worry, we are having here a deep discussion regarding the possible
origin, and we are aware of this, since in Spain we have a group, the GAE,
devoted to the categorization of each species of putative exotic origin. We have
at present a list of 323 taxa (mostly species) categorized as E in the wild in
Spain, surely the biggest number of this kind of species recorded in any country
in Europe. So, thanks for the advice, but we know very well the problem of the
status of vagrants in Spain, and whether they could be considered as scapes from
captivity!

Moreover, the GAE in his webpage are updating the E cases recorded in each
country of Europe. You can check this at their webapge, where the European list
is available (updated to July 2007) at
http://www.seo.org/programa_seccion_ficha.cfm?idPrograma=17&idArticulo=271
<http://www.seo.org/programa_seccion_ficha.cfm?idPrograma=17&idArticulo=271>


That case of Belted Kingfisher is not so straightforward. Perhaps is a true
vagrant, which arrived here from N Europe now, after it reach the continent in
autumn, unnoticed somewhere. There is also, of course, the captivity origin as
an explanation. Probably the best category for it, at this stage, is a D.

Updated in true time of news of rarities in Spain, are available at Reservoir
Birds www.reservoirbids.com where you could follow each new sighting of the
bird.

Hoping this is of some help,

Greetings,

Ferran López
Reservoir Birds
http://www.reservoirbirds.com <http://www.reservoirbirds.com/>


From: LGREUK400@... <mailto:LGREUK400%40aol.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:32:59 -0500
Subject: Re: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in Spain
To: ferranlopez@... <mailto:ferranlopez%40hotmail.com> ;
birdline@yahoogroups.com <mailto:birdline%40yahoogroups.com>

Ferran

I am told that there was an escaped Collared Kingfisher in the Malaga area last
year and following species like Egyptian Plover, Black-necked Stilt and Allen's
Gallinule, have you considered the possibility that this extreme vagrant is an
escape from captivity. I realise that this species is virtually unheard of in
collections but with Spain's track record of late, a question mark must really
hang over this bird and its geographical position within the Mediterranean basin

Best wishes

Lee Evans
__________________________________________________________
Sólo hay un loro experto en Windows 7 en todo el mundo. Y vive en Sietes
¡Cónocelo!
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Dear Ken



Indeed, it is surprising why transatlantic vagrant species are treated in a
different way in different countries.

As you know, there are quite a few records of Belted Kingfisher in Europe and it
seems odd when, seemingly without obvious reason, one or two are treated with
suspicion. The date of the Spanish bird appears typical: seven out of the 17
previous European records known to me were also seen during November-December
(others occurred in late September, October (four), February, March (two), April
and May; many staying for many months). Obviously, a transatlantic vagrant like
a Belted will not stop after having arrived on Atlantic coasts but continue
further east or south.



All the best



Arnoud







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TUCKER
Verzonden: vrijdag 20 november 2009 18:48
Aan: Eurotwich
Onderwerp: RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in Spain





Why shouldn't this be a wild bird? I know there are many escapes in Spain... but
this species has a track record of infrequent trans-atlantic vagrancy. Don't see
a problem with it at all.

Surprised to see LGRE even suggesting this (belted and collared kingfishers are
rather different creatures) - the UK 400 Club are often keen to accept stuff
that others reject out of hand as escapes.

Ken

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From: Ferran Lopez Sanz <ferranlopez@ <mailto:ferranlopez%40hotmail.com>
hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in Spain
To: "Lee Evans" <lgreuk400@aol. <mailto:lgreuk400%40aol.com> com>, "Eurotwich"
<birdline@yahoogroup <mailto:birdline%40yahoogroups.com> s.com>
Date: Friday, 20 November, 2009, 13:05



Dear Lee and all,

Thanks for pointing the possible captivity origin of the Belted Kingfisher, as
well as for the short set of examples of other species recorded in Spain as
such. Don't worry, we are having here a deep discussion regarding the possible
origin, and we are aware of this, since in Spain we have a group, the GAE,
devoted to the categorization of each species of putative exotic origin. We have
at present a list of 323 taxa (mostly species) categorized as E in the wild in
Spain, surely the biggest number of this kind of species recorded in any country
in Europe. So, thanks for the advice, but we know very well the problem of the
status of vagrants in Spain, and whether they could be considered as scapes from
captivity!

Moreover, the GAE in his webpage are updating the E cases recorded in each
country of Europe. You can check this at their webapge, where the European list
is available (updated to July 2007) at http://www.seo. org/programa_
seccion_ficha. cfm?idPrograma= 17&idArticulo= 271

That case of Belted Kingfisher is not so straightforward. Perhaps is a true
vagrant, which arrived here from N Europe now, after it reach the continent in
autumn, unnoticed somewhere. There is also, of course, the captivity origin as
an explanation. Probably the best category for it, at this stage, is a D.

Updated in true time of news of rarities in Spain, are available at Reservoir
Birds www.reservoirbids. com where you could follow each new sighting of the
bird.

Hoping this is of some help,

Greetings,

Ferran López
Reservoir Birds
http://www.reservoi rbirds.com

From: LGREUK400@aol. com
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:32:59 -0500
Subject: Re: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in Spain
To: ferranlopez@ hotmail.com; birdline@yahoogroup s.com

Ferran

I am told that there was an escaped Collared Kingfisher in the Malaga area last
year and following species like Egyptian Plover, Black-necked Stilt and Allen's
Gallinule, have you considered the possibility that this extreme vagrant is an
escape from captivity. I realise that this species is virtually unheard of in
collections but with Spain's track record of late, a question mark must really
hang over this bird and its geographical position within the Mediterranean basin

Best wishes

Lee Evans
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
Sólo hay un loro experto en Windows 7 en todo el mundo. Y vive en Sietes
¡Cónocelo!
http://www.sietesun pueblodeexpertos .com/

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Why shouldn't this be a wild bird? I know there are many escapes in Spain... but
this species has a track record of infrequent trans-atlantic vagrancy. Don't see
a problem with it at all.
 
Surprised to see LGRE even suggesting this (belted and collared kingfishers are
rather different creatures) - the UK 400 Club are often keen to accept stuff
that others reject out of hand as escapes.
 
Ken


--- On Fri, 20/11/09, Ferran Lopez Sanz <ferranlopez@...> wrote:


From: Ferran Lopez Sanz <ferranlopez@...>
Subject: RE: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in Spain
To: "Lee Evans" <lgreuk400@...>, "Eurotwich" <birdline@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, 20 November, 2009, 13:05


 




Dear Lee and all,

Thanks for pointing the possible captivity origin of the Belted Kingfisher, as
well as for the short set of examples of other species recorded in Spain as
such. Don't worry, we are having here a deep discussion regarding the possible
origin, and we are aware of this, since in Spain we have a group, the GAE,
devoted to the categorization of each species of putative exotic origin. We have
at present a list of 323 taxa (mostly species) categorized as E in the wild in
Spain, surely the biggest number of this kind of species recorded in any country
in Europe. So, thanks for the advice, but we know very well the problem of the
status of vagrants in Spain, and whether they could be considered as scapes from
captivity!

Moreover, the GAE in his webpage are updating the E cases recorded in each
country of Europe. You can check this at their webapge, where the European list
is available (updated to July 2007) at http://www.seo. org/programa_
seccion_ficha. cfm?idPrograma= 17&idArticulo= 271


That case of Belted Kingfisher is not so straightforward. Perhaps is a true
vagrant, which arrived here from N Europe now, after it reach the continent in
autumn, unnoticed somewhere. There is also, of course, the captivity origin as
an explanation. Probably the best category for it, at this stage, is a D.

Updated in true time of news of rarities in Spain, are available at Reservoir
Birds www.reservoirbids. com where you could follow each new sighting of the
bird.

Hoping this is of some help,

Greetings,

Ferran López
Reservoir Birds
http://www.reservoi rbirds.com


From: LGREUK400@aol. com
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:32:59 -0500
Subject: Re: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in Spain
To: ferranlopez@ hotmail.com; birdline@yahoogroup s.com

Ferran

I am told that there was an escaped Collared Kingfisher in the Malaga area last
year and following species like Egyptian Plover, Black-necked Stilt and Allen's
Gallinule, have you considered the possibility that this extreme vagrant is an
escape from captivity. I realise that this species is virtually unheard of in
collections but with Spain's track record of late, a question mark must really
hang over this bird and its geographical position within the Mediterranean basin

Best wishes

Lee Evans
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
Sólo hay un loro experto en Windows 7 en todo el mundo. Y vive en Sietes
¡Cónocelo!
http://www.sietesun pueblodeexpertos .com/

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Dear Lee and all,

Thanks for pointing the possible captivity origin of the Belted Kingfisher, as
well as for the short set of examples of other species recorded in Spain as
such. Don't worry, we are having here a deep discussion regarding the possible
origin, and we are aware of this, since in Spain we have a group, the GAE,
devoted to the categorization of each species of putative exotic origin. We have
at present a list of 323 taxa (mostly species) categorized as E in the wild in
Spain, surely the biggest number of this kind of species recorded in any country
in Europe. So, thanks for the advice, but we know very well the problem of the
status of vagrants in Spain, and whether they  could be considered as scapes
from captivity!

Moreover, the GAE in his webpage are updating the E cases recorded in each
country of Europe. You can check this at their webapge, where the European list
is available (updated to July 2007) at
http://www.seo.org/programa_seccion_ficha.cfm?idPrograma=17&idArticulo=271


That case of Belted Kingfisher is not so straightforward. Perhaps is a true
vagrant, which arrived here from N Europe now, after it reach the continent in
autumn, unnoticed somewhere. There is also, of course, the captivity origin as
an explanation. Probably the best category for it, at this stage, is a D.

Updated in true time of news of rarities in Spain, are available at Reservoir
Birds www.reservoirbids.com where you could follow each new sighting of the
bird.

Hoping this is of some help,

Greetings,

Ferran López
Reservoir Birds
http://www.reservoirbirds.com





From: LGREUK400@...
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:32:59 -0500
Subject: Re: [EuroTwitch] Belted Kingfisher in Spain
To: ferranlopez@...; birdline@yahoogroups.com


Ferran

I am told that there was an escaped Collared Kingfisher in the Malaga area last
year and following species like Egyptian Plover, Black-necked Stilt and Allen's
Gallinule, have you considered the possibility that this extreme vagrant is an
escape from captivity. I realise that this species is virtually unheard of in
collections but with Spain's track record of late, a question mark must really
hang over this bird and its geographical position within the Mediterranean basin

Best wishes

Lee Evans
_________________________________________________________________
Sólo hay un loro experto en Windows 7 en todo el mundo. Y vive en Sietes
¡Cónocelo!
http://www.sietesunpueblodeexpertos.com/

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ferran

I am told that there was an escaped Collared Kingfisher in the Malaga area
last year and following species like Egyptian Plover, Black-necked Stilt
and  Allen's Gallinule, have you considered the possibility that this extreme
vagrant  is an escape from captivity. I realise that this species is
virtually unheard of  in collections but with Spain's track record of late, a
question mark must  really hang over this bird and its geographical position
within the  Mediterranean basin

Best wishes

Lee Evans


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Dear all,

The Belted Kingfisher was still present this afternoon (16.00h) at the Albujón
river mouth, close to Cartagena (AJ Hernández pers com).

Tomorrow more Spanish birders are going to twitch it, the news will be uploaded
straight from the field at Reservoir Birds website at www.reservoirbirds.com
where you can check updated information in true time of each rarity from Spain.

Cheers,

Ferran López
www.reservoirbirds.com


_________________________________________________________________
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¡Cónocelo!
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photos, sound gallery, sonograms, links at

http://www.aller-voegel.de/

Hello everybody,



Quite a lot of rarities in the North-east of France :



PYGARGUE Á QUEUE BLANCHE* (Haliaetus albicilla)*White-Tailed Eagle* : 1 at
the lake of Der, 1 at the lake of Bischwald and 1 at the lake of Lindre.

PÉLICAN BLANC* (Pelecanus onocrotalus)*Great White Pelican* : 1 at the lake
of Lindre.

HARELDE BORÉALE* (Clangula hyemalis)*Long-Tailed Duck* :  1 at the lake of
Bischwald.

FAUCON GERFAUT* (Falco rusticolus)*Gyr Falcon* : 1 near Champenoux
(Meurthe-et-Moselle)

ELANION BLANC* (Elanus caeruleus) Black-Shouldered Kite : 1 at the lake of
Der.



Best regards.

Gérard Joannès

Gerard.Joannes@...

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/gerard.joannes/

http://www.centre-ornithologique-lorrain.com/





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