Hi Dave (and everyone else) ... Great to see you support my seedling of
an idea. I think the salons would be a great event to use the "delegate"
word you mentioned on one of your Scripting News entries about one of
the conference you were at recently.  Looking forward to talking about
it more at Thursday night's meeting.

Sooz


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Winer [mailto:dwiner@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:53 PM
> To: berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: Susan Kaup; John Palfrey; blogrollers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [berkman-thursday] Mid-November salon trial balloon
>
>
> I just posted a trial balloon for a mid-November salon to
> discuss democracy and weblogs.
>
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/scriptingArchive/2003/10/29#When:3:30:12PM

The idea is to do these quickly, with very little investment in time and
money. We need to use campus facilities, and ask for contributions. We
have the basic software infrastructure we need to do a grid, and get
people registered. It's November, and the first primaries are in
January. It's time to really start the discussion about democracy and
the Web.

Dave

I just posted a trial balloon for a mid-November salon to discuss democracy
and weblogs.

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/scriptingArchive/2003/10/29#When:3:30:12PM

The idea is to do these quickly, with very little investment in time and
money. We need to use campus facilities, and ask for contributions. We have
the basic software infrastructure we need to do a grid, and get people
registered. It's November, and the first primaries are in January. It's time
to really start the discussion about democracy and the Web.

Dave

I'm about to head out the door, so...

I'm a tech writer at MRO Software in
Bedford, and I'm on a tear, rapidly deploying my department's
intranet using Frontier/Manila.(Actually, I think I can drive the
whole enterprise from here, but that's another story...)

More later... See you Thursday night.

http://www.mro.com

--- bob stepno  wrote:
> Ideas about time-management. How do people like Dave and Glenn
> Reynolds 
> do it? (Or is there a bloggers-with-ADHD support group around?)
> 

I'm not caught up on the messages yet...

Time drainage has become the bane of my bloxistence and am very much a blogger-with-ADD...so, I second Bob's suggestion.

--aslam

Thanks, Dave, for unlocking the list archives. Now that my reading is
up to date, this is for the original discussion of agendas and Agendas.

First, apologies for disappearing from the meetings for a variety of
reasons. I may not make it this week, either. This time it's because
MIT's Communication Forum http://web.mit.edu/comm-forum/ meets on
Thursdays at 5. Even though it's just two T stops away, I discovered
last month that it can be tricky to get to Berkman before the session
breaks for dinner. If someone posts the dinner location where I can
find it on the Web, I'll check it from MIT and try to meet you there...
and maybe even drag along a Comm Forum friend or two.

Here are my answers to some of the points from last Thursday (Thanks
for posting the list, J)

* What does each of us hope to get out of the meetings?

Ideas about new places to go for dinner. <grin>

Ideas for blogging on other campuses, including spreading the message
about blogs and democracy. I just came back from a visit to UT in
Knoxville and discovered a room full of journalism students who claimed
they hadn't heard of Glenn Reynolds! (Not only does he live there, he
gave a public presentation Sept. 11, which was covered in the school
paper.) If I get a job there, I'd like to bring Manila and the
Thursday-night culture with me, or be prepared to evaluate alternatives.

Ideas about using the tools. For example, I'm experimenting with having
short RSS-friendly versions of blog entries at Berkman, linked to
longer versions on my Radio weblog
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/stepno/2003/10/28    For verbose folks
like me, I suspect there's a more elegant way to provide a
quick-skimmable version of a log entry via RSS instead of sending the
whole item (or just a headline) to everyone. This may be built into
Radio or Manila and I just haven't stumbled on it.

Ideas about time-management. How do people like Dave and Glenn Reynolds
do it? (Or is there a bloggers-with-ADHD support group around?)

I like the monthly invited-speaker & potluck ideas, without being too
formal about it -- maybe just a 15-20 minute "what I do with, know, or
wonder about blogs" from the likes of Robert Putnam (of /Bowling Alone/
fame), other Berkman Fellows, Nieman Fellows (http://, Shorenstein
Center (http://www.vanishingvoter.org/) folks, Thursday night
irregulars etc.

Speaking of inside-Harvard things, I see a lot of interesting stuff on
the KSG/Shorenstein/IoP calendar that might be perfect for
politics-focused bloggers, including phrases "grassroots government"
and "Democratic Governance and Innovation." Is anyone blogging from
these events, including the one I've missed by spending so much time in
my e-mail and blog this morning?
http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/ksginfo/enews.nsf/ksgtoday

cheers,

Bob

Ed,

I really liked the local campaign blog you posted a link to -- David
Hoggard running for City Council --
http://radio.weblogs.com/0128341/2003/10/20.html#a162

I think campaign (and, heck, let's dream a little) elected official
weblogs can make a difference in how a candidate or elected official
makes decisions, and I think their greatest impact could be at the local
level.

Funny story about blogs and candidates in my hometown. This morning I
got an email from the list-moderator of Watertown-Pol, another Yahoo!
Group dedicated to politics in my town of Watertown, MA.  When I asked
to join, I sent her a link via email to my blog-post on who I was voting
for in the upcoming election and why
(http://www.cadence90.com/blogs/2003_10_01_nixon_archives.html#106704224
991318670).  I suspect that for now I'm not allowed on the list because
of what I said in that post and how I said it (the word "chaos" was used
in reference to a flap between a former school superintendent and the
school committee, which left the district without a superintendent)  Out
of the 23 people running for office in the Nov. 4 election, only 4 have
websites, and none have blogs -- they're all just static pages.  I
invited the list-mod to post her comments on my blog and even to post
her own slate of who she was voting for and why.  We'll see how it goes
-- I'm not sure the local political class is ready to crawl out of the
safety of their closed listserv bunker yet.

I hope they do, because we need blogs here in Watertown -- we need 'em
bad! Our local newspaper was taken over by Community News Corp and
turned into an advertising circular with one reporter for a city of
32,000, and that reporter also covers one other town.  Blogs would make
a real difference here because there is no functioning way to get
information about town government.

I think it would be a great thing if Berkman bloggers could befriend a
town council and get everyone on it blogging (on their dime and servers,
of course, bloggers should be Self Reliant in Chris's Emersonian sense)
-- it'd be such a great example and test case.  I can see it now:
Berkman Bloggers Befriend Town Council, first known group Town Council
Blog In Nation.  That would be really kickass.

Lisa W.

______________________________
lisa@...
Lisa's website:
http://www.cadence90.com
bikes, books, internet radio


-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Cone [mailto:efcone@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:19 AM
To: berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com
Subject: FW: [berkman-thursday] From today's Scripting..



Thanks, I'll join.

Here's one example of a candidate being influenced by blog readers

http://radio.weblogs.com/0107946/2003/10/26.html#a949

This conversation tells us something about a political campaign at work,
and the role of weblogs in it.

Elizabeth Edwards commented here that comments on her husband's campaign
blog serve to inform him about people's real concerns. I ask for an
example. She replies with a specific example about the Earned Income Tax
Credit that led to Edwards refocusing on the issue:

"Scott was on top of it and let us know through the blog, and the
criticism that John had expressed earlier but that had been dropped from
more recent speeches has been reinserted...

"John and I actually read the blog. When there is something there he
finds useful or intriguing, he picks it up. If more research is needed,
it goes to Robert Gordon's policy operation. If not, it can got straight
into his speech or his answers to questions."


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Winer [mailto:dwiner@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:51 AM
To: berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com
Cc: efcone@...
Subject: Re: [berkman-thursday] From today's Scripting..

I don't think it's a matter of whether you're experienced with weblogs
or
not. I haven't decided on who I'm supporting for President. So where do
I
turn if all there are are weblogs in advocacy of specific candidates? I
find
all the candidate blogs leave me wanting. I don't believe they really
are
blogs, and I doubt if what people post there have much influence on the
candidates. And why exactly would I want to influence the candidates? I
would think, since I vote, they would want to influence me.

Flip everything around 180 degrees. That's what the new technology makes
possible, and imho, inevitable.

Dave

PS: To Ed Cone, you might want to join this mail list. It's sort of the
ongoing betw-BloggerCon list.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Heller" <rickheller@...>
To: <berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [berkman-thursday] From today's Scripting..


> Dave
>
> I'll repeat the comment I made on Chris Lydon's blog, noting a comment
at
the
> Wesley Clark Weblog
>
> http://wesleyclarkweblog.com/archives/000529.html#008115
>
> "Not many posters here nowadays, for I know folks want to support and
become
> centralized at the main blog (although I imagine there are still a lot
of
> readers here), but what is here is almost alway "cherce."
>
> There's been a migration away from this early grassroots blog to the
official
> campaign blog because readers believe comments at the official blog go
right to
> the top. It seems as if readers have been "voting with their browsers"
for
> centralization.
>
> The hub-and-spoke model appears to be ingrained, particularly among
those
who
> are new to blogs.  For many of the readers of the official blog, this
may
be
> their introduction to the blog world.  The idea that they can interact
with
> campaign headquarters in real time is thrilling in itself.
>
> Unfortunately, few of them stray away from the official to grassroots
blogs
> like my own Independents For Clark.  And the official blog maintains
its
policy
> of not linking to other blogs (except for one instance which I believe
was
an
> error).
>
> Rick
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: "Dave Winer" <dwiner@...>
> To: <berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com>
> CC:
> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:49:18 -0500
> Subject: [berkman-thursday] From today's Scripting..
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Speaking of presidential politics. Dean is the leader, but with the
other
> > candidates focusing on specific primaries, and the Dean campaign
spread
> > thin, and his lead not really all that great, it seems that the
early
> > primary season is going to be split, and maybe Dean won't win any of
the
> > contests? Was it enough to use the Internet to raise market-leading
amounts
> > of money? It didn't turn out to be enough in technology, why should
it
in
> > politics? Imho, the Internet race will go to the candidate that
unlocks
the
> > eBay-like secret to Web politics and keeps them coming back for
more.
Get
> > out of the hub and spoke mode. No rock stars. Knock down barriers.
Let's
> > crack the blog hosting problem and figure out how to give everyone
who
wants
> > one, no matter what their party, persuasion or political
affiliation, a
> > modern weblog with all the bells and whistles. Take a chance that
all
those
> > voters may not choose your guy. What exactly do you have to lose?
Will
> > politics-as-usual get your guy elected?
> >
>
>
>
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Thanks, I'll join.

Here's one example of a candidate being influenced by blog readers

http://radio.weblogs.com/0107946/2003/10/26.html#a949

This conversation tells us something about a political campaign at work,
and the role of weblogs in it.

Elizabeth Edwards commented here that comments on her husband's campaign
blog serve to inform him about people's real concerns. I ask for an
example. She replies with a specific example about the Earned Income Tax
Credit that led to Edwards refocusing on the issue:

"Scott was on top of it and let us know through the blog, and the
criticism that John had expressed earlier but that had been dropped from
more recent speeches has been reinserted...

"John and I actually read the blog. When there is something there he
finds useful or intriguing, he picks it up. If more research is needed,
it goes to Robert Gordon's policy operation. If not, it can got straight
into his speech or his answers to questions."


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Winer [mailto:dwiner@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:51 AM
To: berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com
Cc: efcone@...
Subject: Re: [berkman-thursday] From today's Scripting..

I don't think it's a matter of whether you're experienced with weblogs
or
not. I haven't decided on who I'm supporting for President. So where do
I
turn if all there are are weblogs in advocacy of specific candidates? I
find
all the candidate blogs leave me wanting. I don't believe they really
are
blogs, and I doubt if what people post there have much influence on the
candidates. And why exactly would I want to influence the candidates? I
would think, since I vote, they would want to influence me.

Flip everything around 180 degrees. That's what the new technology makes
possible, and imho, inevitable.

Dave

PS: To Ed Cone, you might want to join this mail list. It's sort of the
ongoing betw-BloggerCon list.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Heller" <rickheller@...>
To: <berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [berkman-thursday] From today's Scripting..


> Dave
>
> I'll repeat the comment I made on Chris Lydon's blog, noting a comment
at
the
> Wesley Clark Weblog
>
> http://wesleyclarkweblog.com/archives/000529.html#008115
>
> "Not many posters here nowadays, for I know folks want to support and
become
> centralized at the main blog (although I imagine there are still a lot
of
> readers here), but what is here is almost alway "cherce."
>
> There's been a migration away from this early grassroots blog to the
official
> campaign blog because readers believe comments at the official blog go
right to
> the top. It seems as if readers have been "voting with their browsers"
for
> centralization.
>
> The hub-and-spoke model appears to be ingrained, particularly among
those
who
> are new to blogs.  For many of the readers of the official blog, this
may
be
> their introduction to the blog world.  The idea that they can interact
with
> campaign headquarters in real time is thrilling in itself.
>
> Unfortunately, few of them stray away from the official to grassroots
blogs
> like my own Independents For Clark.  And the official blog maintains
its
policy
> of not linking to other blogs (except for one instance which I believe
was
an
> error).
>
> Rick
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: "Dave Winer" <dwiner@...>
> To: <berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com>
> CC:
> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:49:18 -0500
> Subject: [berkman-thursday] From today's Scripting..
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Speaking of presidential politics. Dean is the leader, but with the
other
> > candidates focusing on specific primaries, and the Dean campaign
spread
> > thin, and his lead not really all that great, it seems that the
early
> > primary season is going to be split, and maybe Dean won't win any of
the
> > contests? Was it enough to use the Internet to raise market-leading
amounts
> > of money? It didn't turn out to be enough in technology, why should
it
in
> > politics? Imho, the Internet race will go to the candidate that
unlocks
the
> > eBay-like secret to Web politics and keeps them coming back for
more.
Get
> > out of the hub and spoke mode. No rock stars. Knock down barriers.
Let's
> > crack the blog hosting problem and figure out how to give everyone
who
wants
> > one, no matter what their party, persuasion or political
affiliation, a
> > modern weblog with all the bells and whistles. Take a chance that
all
those
> > voters may not choose your guy. What exactly do you have to lose?
Will
> > politics-as-usual get your guy elected?
> >
>
>
>
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>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> berkman-thursday-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>
>

I don't think it's a matter of whether you're experienced with weblogs or
not. I haven't decided on who I'm supporting for President. So where do I
turn if all there are are weblogs in advocacy of specific candidates? I find
all the candidate blogs leave me wanting. I don't believe they really are
blogs, and I doubt if what people post there have much influence on the
candidates. And why exactly would I want to influence the candidates? I
would think, since I vote, they would want to influence me.

Flip everything around 180 degrees. That's what the new technology makes
possible, and imho, inevitable.

Dave

PS: To Ed Cone, you might want to join this mail list. It's sort of the
ongoing betw-BloggerCon list.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Heller" <rickheller@...>
To: <berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [berkman-thursday] From today's Scripting..


> Dave
>
> I'll repeat the comment I made on Chris Lydon's blog, noting a comment at
the
> Wesley Clark Weblog
>
> http://wesleyclarkweblog.com/archives/000529.html#008115
>
> "Not many posters here nowadays, for I know folks want to support and
become
> centralized at the main blog (although I imagine there are still a lot of
> readers here), but what is here is almost alway "cherce."
>
> There's been a migration away from this early grassroots blog to the
official
> campaign blog because readers believe comments at the official blog go
right to
> the top. It seems as if readers have been "voting with their browsers" for
> centralization.
>
> The hub-and-spoke model appears to be ingrained, particularly among those
who
> are new to blogs.  For many of the readers of the official blog, this may
be
> their introduction to the blog world.  The idea that they can interact
with
> campaign headquarters in real time is thrilling in itself.
>
> Unfortunately, few of them stray away from the official to grassroots
blogs
> like my own Independents For Clark.  And the official blog maintains its
policy
> of not linking to other blogs (except for one instance which I believe was
an
> error).
>
> Rick
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: "Dave Winer" <dwiner@...>
> To: <berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com>
> CC:
> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:49:18 -0500
> Subject: [berkman-thursday] From today's Scripting..
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Speaking of presidential politics. Dean is the leader, but with the
other
> > candidates focusing on specific primaries, and the Dean campaign spread
> > thin, and his lead not really all that great, it seems that the early
> > primary season is going to be split, and maybe Dean won't win any of the
> > contests? Was it enough to use the Internet to raise market-leading
amounts
> > of money? It didn't turn out to be enough in technology, why should it
in
> > politics? Imho, the Internet race will go to the candidate that unlocks
the
> > eBay-like secret to Web politics and keeps them coming back for more.
Get
> > out of the hub and spoke mode. No rock stars. Knock down barriers. Let's
> > crack the blog hosting problem and figure out how to give everyone who
wants
> > one, no matter what their party, persuasion or political affiliation, a
> > modern weblog with all the bells and whistles. Take a chance that all
those
> > voters may not choose your guy. What exactly do you have to lose? Will
> > politics-as-usual get your guy elected?
> >
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> berkman-thursday-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Dave

I'll repeat the comment I made on Chris Lydon's blog, noting a comment at the
Wesley Clark Weblog

http://wesleyclarkweblog.com/archives/000529.html#008115

"Not many posters here nowadays, for I know folks want to support and become
centralized at the main blog (although I imagine there are still a lot of
readers here), but what is here is almost alway "cherce."

There's been a migration away from this early grassroots blog to the official
campaign blog because readers believe comments at the official blog go right to
the top. It seems as if readers have been "voting with their browsers" for
centralization.

The hub-and-spoke model appears to be ingrained, particularly among those who
are new to blogs.  For many of the readers of the official blog, this may be
their introduction to the blog world.  The idea that they can interact with
campaign headquarters in real time is thrilling in itself.

Unfortunately, few of them stray away from the official to grassroots blogs
like my own Independents For Clark.  And the official blog maintains its policy
of not linking to other blogs (except for one instance which I believe was an
error).

Rick


--- Original Message ---
From: "Dave Winer" <dwiner@...>
To: <berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com>
CC:
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:49:18 -0500
Subject: [berkman-thursday] From today's Scripting..

>
>
>
> Speaking of presidential politics. Dean is the leader, but with the other
> candidates focusing on specific primaries, and the Dean campaign spread
> thin, and his lead not really all that great, it seems that the early
> primary season is going to be split, and maybe Dean won't win any of the
> contests? Was it enough to use the Internet to raise market-leading amounts
> of money? It didn't turn out to be enough in technology, why should it in
> politics? Imho, the Internet race will go to the candidate that unlocks the
> eBay-like secret to Web politics and keeps them coming back for more. Get
> out of the hub and spoke mode. No rock stars. Knock down barriers. Let's
> crack the blog hosting problem and figure out how to give everyone who wants
> one, no matter what their party, persuasion or political affiliation, a
> modern weblog with all the bells and whistles. Take a chance that all those
> voters may not choose your guy. What exactly do you have to lose? Will
> politics-as-usual get your guy elected?
>

Speaking of presidential politics. Dean is the leader, but with the other
candidates focusing on specific primaries, and the Dean campaign spread
thin, and his lead not really all that great, it seems that the early
primary season is going to be split, and maybe Dean won't win any of the
contests? Was it enough to use the Internet to raise market-leading amounts
of money? It didn't turn out to be enough in technology, why should it in
politics? Imho, the Internet race will go to the candidate that unlocks the
eBay-like secret to Web politics and keeps them coming back for more. Get
out of the hub and spoke mode. No rock stars. Knock down barriers. Let's
crack the blog hosting problem and figure out how to give everyone who wants
one, no matter what their party, persuasion or political affiliation, a
modern weblog with all the bells and whistles. Take a chance that all those
voters may not choose your guy. What exactly do you have to lose? Will
politics-as-usual get your guy elected?

You bet. It's the way Yahoo creates the mail list website, by default.

Pretty brain-dead if you ask me.

Dave


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa Williams" <lisa@...>
To: <berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:27 AM
Subject: RE: [berkman-thursday] anybody home?


> Thanks Dave!
>
> ______________________________
> lisa@...
> Lisa's website:
> http://www.cadence90.com
> bikes, books, internet radio
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Winer [mailto:dwiner@...]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:51 PM
> To: berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [berkman-thursday] anybody home?
>
> I just changed the settings so that the archive is readable by all
> members.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lisa Williams" <lisa@...>
> To: <berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:03 PM
> Subject: RE: [berkman-thursday] anybody home?
>
>
> > Hi, Aslam,
> >
> > I wondered that too.  A close reading of the group's homepage
> indicates
> > that the mailing list is set so that the archives can only be read by
> > the moderator.
> >
> > In any case, as far as I know there will be a meeting on Thursday!
> >
> > Lisa W.
> >
> > ______________________________
> > lisa@...
> > Lisa's website:
> > http://www.cadence90.com
> > bikes, books, internet radio
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mythicflow [mailto:mythicflow@...]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:08 PM
> > To: berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [berkman-thursday] anybody home?
> >
> > Hi.
> >
> > I just subscribed but don't see any of the 15 messages that the
> > homepage tells me there are.
> >
> > Is there a meeting this Thursday evening? Who's going? What're folks
> > gonna talk about?
> >
> > --aslam
> > http://www.mythicflow.com/methinks
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Winer [mailto:dwiner@...]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:51 PM
To: berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:03 PM
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> Hi, Aslam,
>
> I wondered that too.  A close reading of the group's homepage
indicates
> that the mailing list is set so that the archives can only be read by
> the moderator.
>
> In any case, as far as I know there will be a meeting on Thursday!
>
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>
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com
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>
> Hi.
>
> I just subscribed but don't see any of the 15 messages that the
> homepage tells me there are.
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> Is there a meeting this Thursday evening? Who's going? What're folks
> gonna talk about?
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Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:03 PM
Subject: RE: [berkman-thursday] anybody home?


> Hi, Aslam,
>
> I wondered that too.  A close reading of the group's homepage indicates
> that the mailing list is set so that the archives can only be read by
> the moderator.
>
> In any case, as far as I know there will be a meeting on Thursday!
>
> Lisa W.
>
> ______________________________
> lisa@...
> Lisa's website:
> http://www.cadence90.com
> bikes, books, internet radio
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mythicflow [mailto:mythicflow@...]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:08 PM
> To: berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [berkman-thursday] anybody home?
>
> Hi.
>
> I just subscribed but don't see any of the 15 messages that the
> homepage tells me there are.
>
> Is there a meeting this Thursday evening? Who's going? What're folks
> gonna talk about?
>
> --aslam
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>
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Hi, Aslam,

I wondered that too.  A close reading of the group's homepage indicates
that the mailing list is set so that the archives can only be read by
the moderator.

In any case, as far as I know there will be a meeting on Thursday!

Lisa W.

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-----Original Message-----
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Hi.

I just subscribed but don't see any of the 15 messages that the
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Is there a meeting this Thursday evening? Who's going? What're folks
gonna talk about?

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Hi.

I just subscribed but don't see any of the 15 messages that the
homepage tells me there are.

Is there a meeting this Thursday evening? Who's going? What're folks
gonna talk about?

--aslam
http://www.mythicflow.com/methinks

Hello,

Notes from Thursday's blog meeting are on my blog in
my stories section:
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/jkbaumga/stories/storyReader$441.
  They're also temporarily on the front page of my blog
at:
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/jkbaumga/2003/10/23#a440.

If there's anything you would like me to flesh out a
little more or add to the notes, please let me know
and I'll see what I can do.

j

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I suppose I'm somewhat of a free spirit when it comes
to usergroup meetings like ours.  I like the idea that
anyone with a burning agenda item can submit it to the
moderator before the meeting, but I also feel strongly
that we should allow some time and space in our
meetings for new people to speak and for opportunities
to have freer conversations about issues related to
blogging.

I think one thing we should do regularly is go around
the room and introduce ourselves.  There seems to be a
core group of us who have been coming for a while and
know a lot of the other people, but when there's even
one person in the room someone doesn't know, I think
introductions would be a good idea.

I cringe when I think about us coming up with a
greater agenda or goal other than just meeting to talk
about blogging and related issues.  Maybe that's just
because I already feel like I'm burning out.

I also see the occasional need for us to take care of
some housekeeping business, like--as petty as this may
sound to some of you--having a frank discussion (on-
or offline) about people's dietary/monetary concerns
and what restaurants near the Berkman Center make
people happy and which don't.  Maybe I'm overreacting
and we don't need to talk about this, but it's come to
my attention over the last few months that some people
don't join us for dinner because the restaurant
choices we make don't meet their needs.  Some people
in the group are too shy (or whatever) to speak for
themselves.  I realize that dinner is not mandatory
and it's entirely a person's choice to join the group
or wander off alone.  The forum opens up and people
talk about all sorts of interesting things--whether
it's directly related to blogging or not, so there's a
lot of value in joining the group for dinner.  Some
people would really like to be there, but feel awkward
when they won't be able to partake of the food at
certain eating establishments.  Honestly, only a few
people have mentioned food issues to me in the past,
but with the size and growth of our group, I'm
wondering if more people share those concerns or
restrictions and just haven't said anything.

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I agree with the proposition that maybe by having a semi-moderated
discussion on Thursday we'll be able to be more experimental, and while
this may allow us to cover new ground and get interesting work done
there is always the worry that it will be counter productive. BUT, even
in that case we'll learn that it is useful to define a moderator and
goal for individual meetings and the group overall.

You wonder if we should try to be more specific, define the various
areas, and define how they should be organized. I think that to fully
support the ideology that I see in the group (naively mirroring my own)
it is essential to be defined, organized, and run in the open -
preferably on a blog or set of blogs. I imagine the code of the
Thursday galaxy being a nexus that interweaves overall projects and
individual deployments of the message (Berkman being the first.) This
grand vision of a cadre of cooperating parties would be the ideal for
me. But I think your question asks for something less vaporous.

The most concrete suggestion or idea I have is that any agenda would
have to set the tone and the tenor of the group(s) rather than the
course and marching order. The key strength of anything is it's ability
to accept and respond to change as a friend, rather than an enemy. The
largest impedance to this is trying to rigorously define How Things
Work. I like the idea of decentralization and sharing of experience
(deployment of ideas and processes) for this reason.

Hopefully this may spark a few bulbs,

je

On Sunday, October 19, 2003, at 02:51 PM, Michael Feldman wrote:

> Since Dave seems to be leaving the agenda and organization of the next
> few Thursday meeting up to us, it seems like a good idea to solicit
> suggested agenda topics from the mailing list. Are there any areas
> where we could make progress without Dave's direct guidance?  Perhaps
> even some topics on which the resulting discussion could be even more
> open and experimental without our fearless leader?
>
> Let me start by suggesting a consideration of the mission and role of
> our group, if it is to not only continue but to take on a life of its
> own.  I first came by attracted by the rather vague blurb on the
> Berkman web site, which says, "The purpose: to explore blogging,
> answer questions, note problems, give demos, talk about new stuff,
> etc."
>
> Can we, or should we, be more specific? Do we want to define a variety
> of roles or areas in which we will be working? How should we organize
> the various projects areas we have been discussing: evangalism,
> teaching, support, conference organization and exploring new ways of
> understanding blogging.
>
> Hopefully there will be a few additional suggestions and we can put
> together a provisional agenda which will allow us to continue the
> enjoyable and productive sessions we have all been a part of thus far.
>
> Michael "Dowbrigade" Feldman
>
---
Jay McCarthy <jay@...>

This is possibly an indication that there is an interest in creating a
process around making BloggerCons and Thursday Blogger meetings. Like
the idea that there would be parties interested in running Michael
Feldman's blogging education course, I could see that desire to
recreate in other areas of what has been done by Berkman (and its
associated persons.)

I'm not sure what someone would want or need but off the stop of my
head I would say the programs surrounding the BloggerCon website for
doing registration (for dinner and the conference) may be useful? (Yes,
I realize these are all using Manila (?) features, but what I mean is
something of the form, "How do I effectively use Manila to run events?")

Meh?

je

On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 04:53 PM, Dave Winer wrote:

> Hmmm. Maybe. Would you come??
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Sands" <kens@...>
> To: <dwiner@...>
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:39 PM
> Subject: BloggerCon on the road?
>
>
>> Dave:
>>
>> Any chance you can have a West Coast BloggerCon?
>>
>>
>> Ken Sands
>> Managing Editor of Online and New Media
>> The Spokesman-Review
>> www.SpokesmanReview.com
>> kens@...
>> (800) 789-0029 x5014
>> (509) 459-5014
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dwiner@...
>> [mailto:dwiner@...]
>> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 7:20 AM
>> Subject: Radical blogging, new Berkman Thursday roadmap
>>
>>
>> A Bulletin from the BloggerCon website sent 10/17/2003; 10:19:03 AM.
>> ------------------------------------------------
>>
>> NYU journalism prof Jay Rosen, and BloggerConner, and Lydon
>> interviewee,
>> posted a gem with ten things [1] that are Radical About the Weblog
>> Form in
>> Journalism. A must-read for all would-be radical bloggers, like you!
>> ;->
>>
>> Today's Friday that means that last night we had a Thursday night
>> meeting
>> that was very productive. We're mapping out new directions, how to
>> bring
>> more bloggers online, to work with more universities, perhaps
>> starting a
>> series of monthly or quarterly mini-BloggerCons in Cambridge, and
>> other
>> ideas that may interest you if you're local. I wrote up the meeting
>> here
>> [2], and there's a new mail list [3], which welcomes all BloggerCon
>> participants.
>>
>> [1]
>>
> http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2003/10/16/
> radical_ten.
>> html
>> [2] http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/stories/storyReader$630
>> [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/berkman-thursday/
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/bloggerCon/prefs/
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Happiness is a new Chris Lydon interview..

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/blogs/audio/lydon/heiferman.mp3

Read about it here..

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/lydon/2003/10/21#a390

Spread the word!

Dave

Hmmm. Maybe. Would you come??


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Sands" <kens@...>
To: <dwiner@...>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:39 PM
Subject: BloggerCon on the road?


> Dave:
>
> Any chance you can have a West Coast BloggerCon?
>
>
> Ken Sands
> Managing Editor of Online and New Media
> The Spokesman-Review
> www.SpokesmanReview.com
> kens@...
> (800) 789-0029 x5014
> (509) 459-5014
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dwiner@... [mailto:dwiner@...]
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 7:20 AM
> Subject: Radical blogging, new Berkman Thursday roadmap
>
>
> A Bulletin from the BloggerCon website sent 10/17/2003; 10:19:03 AM.
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> NYU journalism prof Jay Rosen, and BloggerConner, and Lydon interviewee,
> posted a gem with ten things [1] that are Radical About the Weblog Form in
> Journalism. A must-read for all would-be radical bloggers, like you! ;->
>
> Today's Friday that means that last night we had a Thursday night meeting
> that was very productive. We're mapping out new directions, how to bring
> more bloggers online, to work with more universities, perhaps starting a
> series of monthly or quarterly mini-BloggerCons in Cambridge, and other
> ideas that may interest you if you're local. I wrote up the meeting here
> [2], and there's a new mail list [3], which welcomes all BloggerCon
> participants.
>
> [1]
>
http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2003/10/16/radical_ten.
> html
> [2] http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/stories/storyReader$630
> [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/berkman-thursday/
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Feldman" <mfeldman@...>
To: <berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [berkman-thursday] Fw: Radical blogging, new Berkman
Thursdayroadmap


> Since Dave seems to be leaving the agenda and organization of the next few
> Thursday meeting up to us, it seems like a good idea to solicit suggested
> agenda topics from the mailing list. Are there any areas where we could
make
> progress without Dave's direct guidance?  Perhaps even some topics on
which
> the resulting discussion could be even more open and experimental without
> our fearless leader?
>
> Let me start by suggesting a consideration of the mission and role of our
> group, if it is to not only continue but to take on a life of its own.  I
> first came by attracted by the rather vague blurb on the Berkman web site,
> which says, "The purpose: to explore blogging, answer questions, note
> problems, give demos, talk about new stuff, etc."
>
> Can we, or should we, be more specific? Do we want to define a variety of
> roles or areas in which we will be working? How should we organize the
> various projects areas we have been discussing: evangalism, teaching,
> support, conference organization and exploring new ways of understanding
> blogging.
>
> Hopefully there will be a few additional suggestions and we can put
together
> a provisional agenda which will allow us to continue the enjoyable and
> productive sessions we have all been a part of thus far.
>
> Michael "Dowbrigade" Feldman
>
>

Since Dave seems to be leaving the agenda and organization of the next
few Thursday meeting up to us, it seems like a good idea to solicit
suggested agenda topics from the mailing list. Are there any areas
where we could make progress without Dave's direct guidance?  Perhaps
even some topics on which the resulting discussion could be even more
open and experimental without our fearless leader?

Let me start by suggesting a consideration of the mission and role of
our group, if it is to not only continue but to take on a life of its
own.  I first came by attracted by the rather vague blurb on the
Berkman web site, which says, "The purpose: to explore blogging, answer
questions, note problems, give demos, talk about new stuff, etc."

Can we, or should we, be more specific? Do we want to define a variety
of roles or areas in which we will be working? How should we organize
the various projects areas we have been discussing: evangalism,
teaching, support, conference organization and exploring new ways of
understanding blogging.

Hopefully there will be a few additional suggestions and we can put
together a provisional agenda which will allow us to continue the
enjoyable and productive sessions we have all been a part of thus far.

Michael "Dowbrigade" Feldman

Please go ahead and innovate.

And I totally agree about Kaye.

Dave


----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Scott Johnson" <scott@...>
To: <berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: [berkman-thursday] Fw: Radical blogging, new Berkman
Thursdayroadmap


> I'd be willing to put together a blogroll of all "Berkman Thursday"
> bloggers and a composite page of what's going on that's relevant to this
> like I did for bloggercon.  Might help us keep up to date on each others
> comments.
>
> I too think Kaye Trammell would be a big asset here.
>
> Scott
>
>
> On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 15:29, David F. Pinto wrote:
> > I would be interested in this as well.
> >         -----Original Message-----
> >         From: Dave Winer [mailto:dwiner@...]
> >         Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:17 PM
> >         To: berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com
> >         Subject: [berkman-thursday] Fw: Radical blogging, new Berkman
> >         Thursday roadmap
> >
> >
> >
> >         ----- Original Message -----
> >         From: Jennifer Neal
> >         To: dwiner@...
> >         Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 1:29 PM
> >         Subject: RE: Radical blogging, new Berkman Thursday roadmap
> >
> >         Hi Dave,
> >
> >         I want to remind you about www.vidiblog.com in your thinking
> >         about bringing the Thursday night meetings to more people and
> >         also in being able to train folks about blogging in general.
> >         I'm here and I'm available to help in whatever way that I
> >         can.  I know that it all may seem a bit "foreign" and even
> >         maybe a little scary, but I can honestly help get folks up and
> >         running and make it as painless as possible.  Plus it's free.
> >         I know that Kaye Trammell expressed an interest in
> >         participating from Florida.
> >         Imagine if you were able to link all the university programs
> >         and their students into your Thursday night sessions?  And
> >         have everyone able to hear, see, share and participate in
> >         real-time without having to actually be in Cambridge?
> >         Vidiblog can do that.  I must admit that my request is also a
> >         selfish one because I'd love to be able to participate in
> >         those Thursday night sessions myself.  Shall we give it a try?
> >
> >         Cheers,
> >
> >         Jennifer
> >
> >         P.S.  My blog is http://nakedjen.blogs.com/nakedjen/  And
> >         thanks, again, for Bloggercon.  I honestly learned so much!
> >                 -----Original Message-----
> >                 From: dwiner@...
> >                 [mailto:dwiner@...]
> >                 Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 7:20 AM
> >                 Subject: Radical blogging, new Berkman Thursday
> >                 roadmap
> >
> >
> >                         Radical blogging, new Berkman Thursday roadmap
> >                         NYU journalism prof Jay Rosen, and
> >                         BloggerConner, and Lydon interviewee, posted a
> >                         gem with ten things that are Radical About the
> >                         Weblog Form in Journalism. A must-read for all
> >                         would-be radical bloggers, like you! ;->
> >
> >                         Today's Friday that means that last night we
> >                         had a Thursday night meeting that was very
> >                         productive. We're mapping out new directions,
> >                         how to bring more bloggers online, to work
> >                         with more universities, perhaps starting a
> >                         series of monthly or quarterly
> >                         mini-BloggerCons in Cambridge, and other ideas
> >                         that may interest you if you're local. I wrote
> >                         up the meeting here, and there's a new mail
> >                         list, which welcomes all BloggerCon
> >                         participants.
> >
> >
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I'd be willing to put together a blogroll of all "Berkman Thursday"
bloggers and a composite page of what's going on that's relevant to this
like I did for bloggercon.  Might help us keep up to date on each others
comments.

I too think Kaye Trammell would be a big asset here.

Scott


On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 15:29, David F. Pinto wrote:
> I would be interested in this as well.
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: Dave Winer [mailto:dwiner@...]
>         Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:17 PM
>         To: berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com
>         Subject: [berkman-thursday] Fw: Radical blogging, new Berkman
>         Thursday roadmap
>
>
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         From: Jennifer Neal
>         To: dwiner@...
>         Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 1:29 PM
>         Subject: RE: Radical blogging, new Berkman Thursday roadmap
>
>         Hi Dave,
>
>         I want to remind you about www.vidiblog.com in your thinking
>         about bringing the Thursday night meetings to more people and
>         also in being able to train folks about blogging in general.
>         I'm here and I'm available to help in whatever way that I
>         can.  I know that it all may seem a bit "foreign" and even
>         maybe a little scary, but I can honestly help get folks up and
>         running and make it as painless as possible.  Plus it's free.
>         I know that Kaye Trammell expressed an interest in
>         participating from Florida.
>         Imagine if you were able to link all the university programs
>         and their students into your Thursday night sessions?  And
>         have everyone able to hear, see, share and participate in
>         real-time without having to actually be in Cambridge?
>         Vidiblog can do that.  I must admit that my request is also a
>         selfish one because I'd love to be able to participate in
>         those Thursday night sessions myself.  Shall we give it a try?
>
>         Cheers,
>
>         Jennifer
>
>         P.S.  My blog is http://nakedjen.blogs.com/nakedjen/  And
>         thanks, again, for Bloggercon.  I honestly learned so much!
>                 -----Original Message-----
>                 From: dwiner@...
>                 [mailto:dwiner@...]
>                 Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 7:20 AM
>                 Subject: Radical blogging, new Berkman Thursday
>                 roadmap
>
>
>                         Radical blogging, new Berkman Thursday roadmap
>                         NYU journalism prof Jay Rosen, and
>                         BloggerConner, and Lydon interviewee, posted a
>                         gem with ten things that are Radical About the
>                         Weblog Form in Journalism. A must-read for all
>                         would-be radical bloggers, like you! ;->
>
>                         Today's Friday that means that last night we
>                         had a Thursday night meeting that was very
>                         productive. We're mapping out new directions,
>                         how to bring more bloggers online, to work
>                         with more universities, perhaps starting a
>                         series of monthly or quarterly
>                         mini-BloggerCons in Cambridge, and other ideas
>                         that may interest you if you're local. I wrote
>                         up the meeting here, and there's a new mail
>                         list, which welcomes all BloggerCon
>                         participants.
>
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Winer [mailto:dwiner@...]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:17 PM
To: berkman-thursday@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [berkman-thursday] Fw: Radical blogging, new Berkman Thursday roadmap

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Jennifer Neal

To: dwiner@...

Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 1:29 PM

Subject: RE: Radical blogging, new Berkman Thursday roadmap

Hi Dave,

 

I want to remind you about www.vidiblog.com in your thinking about bringing the Thursday night meetings to more people and also in being able to train folks about blogging in general.  I'm here and I'm available to help in whatever way that I can.  I know that it all may seem a bit "foreign" and even maybe a little scary, but I can honestly help get folks up and running and make it as painless as possible.  Plus it's free.  I know that Kaye Trammell expressed an interest in participating from Florida. 

Imagine if you were able to link all the university programs and their students into your Thursday night sessions?  And have everyone able to hear, see, share and participate in real-time without having to actually be in Cambridge?  Vidiblog can do that.  I must admit that my request is also a selfish one because I'd love to be able to participate in those Thursday night sessions myself.  Shall we give it a try?

 

Cheers,

 

Jennifer

 

P.S.  My blog is http://nakedjen.blogs.com/nakedjen/  And thanks, again, for Bloggercon.  I honestly learned so much!

-----Original Message-----
From: dwiner@... [mailto:dwiner@...]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 7:20 AM
Subject: Radical blogging, new Berkman Thursday roadmap

Radical blogging, new Berkman Thursday roadmap

NYU journalism prof Jay Rosen, and BloggerConner, and Lydon interviewee, posted a gem with ten things that are Radical About the Weblog Form in Journalism. A must-read for all would-be radical bloggers, like you! ;->

Today's Friday that means that last night we had a Thursday night meeting that was very productive. We're mapping out new directions, how to bring more bloggers online, to work with more universities, perhaps starting a series of monthly or quarterly mini-BloggerCons in Cambridge, and other ideas that may interest you if you're local. I wrote up the meeting here, and there's a new mail list, which welcomes all BloggerCon participants.

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Here's a report on last night's meeting, with an outline of issues..

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/stories/storyReader$630

Dave

James, yes, we would be very very happy to work with you on this.

Right now the code that customizes the Harvard server is not ready for
distribution, but getting it ready is pretty high on my todo list.

Dave


----- Original Message -----
From: <jfarmer@...>
To: <dwiner@...>
Cc: <jfarmer@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:03 PM
Subject: Mail from James Farmer


> James Farmer [1] sent this email to you through Weblogs At Harvard Law [2]
regarding this page [3].
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> I'm a edublogger and lecturer in education design at Deakin University,
Melbourne, Australia and am setting-up a harvard-esque 'Weblogs at Deakin'
project.
>
> As you may have guessed this is very much inspired by W@H and once I've
waded through the bureaucracy we'll be using Manila. In relation to this I
have been wondering whether:
>
> -There might be some opportunity for collaboration / knowledge sharing
between our institutions?
>
> and more cheekily...
>
> -We could use some of the code you're using with Harvard (for example,
allowing only users with harvard.edu addys to create sites).
>
> As we develop our project I hope we too will put together scripts / ideas
that can add something to the fray. For the moment thanks for all your
inspirational work in the edublogging field (after all, you are one :o) and
thanks also for your time and consideration in this,
>
> Yours,
>
> James Farmer
>
> [1] http://radio.weblogs.com/0120501/
> [2] http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/
> [3] http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/

Hello and welcome.

I can't stand archives with no messages in them.

Say something.

Sing something.

You can get anything you want..

At Alice's Restaurant.

Hmmm hmmm hmmm.

Dave