Thank you Bill.  I will fix these and upload ASAP.

jamie d

--- In backpackgeartesters@yahoogroups.com, " AsABat" <wjj2001@...>
wrote:
>
> EDIT: INITIAL REPORT - Black Diamond Cosmo - jamie d
>
> Jaime-
>
> Great report. Just a few tiny edits. Upload when ready. Thanks,
>
> Bill Jeffrey
> Monitor
>
>
> > Arrival Condition and Informational Material
> >
> > The Cosmo arrived safe and sound in perfect condition with all
> parts
> > accounted for and working as they should.  It was encased in its
> > marketing package, which contained a four page instructional
sheet
> > giving instructions for use in several languages � English,
French,
> > German, Italian, Spanish, and Japanese.  The sheet also listed
> Black
> > Diamond's contact information, the products warranty
>
> EDIT: product's
>
> > Durability � <snip> Black Diamond states it's good
> > for "go-anywhere use"
>
> EDIT: Add period at end of that sentence.
>
> > I will also look for other creative ways to
> > integrate the light into my non-backpacking life to get a feel
for
> > it's "go-anywhere" abilities.
>
> EDIT: its [not possessive]
>

Hey Fuzzy, just a gentle reminder. (Since you mentioned the memory and
whatever was before it have went, and we've had a long holiday weekend
which always makes me forgetful!) Just wondering if you will be able
to get to adding the extra information Andrew asked for on the Duofold
Multisport jacket soon.

Thanks - Pam

>  The pot (1.5 L) is always referenced thusly on the website,
I know Jerry has spoken, but if it worries you then try 1.5 L (qt) - they are
close enough for a pot

>  2mm Neoprene is always referenced thusly
Agree with Jerry and Ted. That's how it is made.

Cheers
Roger Caffin

> Backpackgeartest.org and Injinji are happy to offer the Tetratsok for
> your testing. These innovative socks should keep you on your toes;

Interesting web site, in a manner of speaking. Needs Flash 7, and seems to sit
there forever with a black screen trying
to download something without success. Not very clever.

More interesting is that I gained what seemed to be root access to their web
site ..... I refrained from doing anything
naughty.

Cheers
Roger Caffin

bigdawgryan wrote:

>--- In backpackgeartesters@yahoogroups.com, Alex Tweedly <alex@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>>AFAIK, it's in process - the Gods (sorry, Mods)  are ruminating (or
>>whatever they do)
>>
>>Dare I ask why you want to know ?  (or, to put it another way, I didn't
>>see an application from you for this test (and just re-searched the
>>Yahoo group to check).
>>
>>
>
>
>Alex,
>
>Check number post #18572 -- that would be my application to test this
>product.
>
>
>

Thanks Ryan - that slipped past me (both initially, and when I
re-checked yesterday, due to the oddities in spelling of the product
name - I filtered and searched on "seal line" so I missed it)- but I see
it now. With luck, decisions should be made soon.

--
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--- In backpackgeartesters@yahoogroups.com, WoodlandSprite
<cl_woodlandsprite@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your kind attention, Amanda!
>

Since Jerry got to this before me, I'm just going to defer to
his 'ruling' and make it easier for everybody.

-Amanda

OK, I've made the following changes based on your suggestions, please
let me know if it works.


Appearance, Features, and Usage
  From GoLite's website, and the product hangtag:
DESCRIPTION - The Whim Pants are a 4 oz ultra-lite wonder that offers
wind and water protection plus great durability for the weight!
Constructed of WispUltra, a 98% polyester/2% carbon fabric with a
Super-DWR coating, these wind pants are highly breathable and pack
small into the back pocket so there's never a reason to leave them
behind.

Based on GoLite's description, both on their website and hangtag, I
was under the impression that the Whim pants were being sold as
emergency rain wear. As I have discovered since, the GoLite Whim
pants are categorized as "Ultra-lite Wind Shells," for "insurance"
against light rain, wind, and quick temperature drops. I will attempt
to test the Whims under these conditions.

KEY FEATURES - WispUltra� 98% polyester/2% carbon fabric with Super-
DWR finish   Ultra-lite, wind resistant, water repellent, breathable,
packs small   Self-stowing   Flat braided drawcord at the waist.

COLORS - Night

AVAILABLE SIZES - (Unisex sizing) X-Small, Small, Medium, Large, X-
Large, XX-Large



Personal Observations
The first thing I noticed about the GoLite Whim pants is the weight,
even though the specs state 4 oz (113 g) I wasn't prepared for the
light weight - I have stuff sacks that feel heavier! The second thing
that became apparent was a small pocket located inside the pants on
the right rear. The pocket measures 5-1/2 in (14 cm) square, and is
just large enough for my wallet - a nice feature that doubles as a
built-in stuff sack.

What my hiking partner noticed first was the large, white, GoLite
logo on the front right. While I didn't mind it, his feeling was that
it was like a billboard against the black material of the pants.

The outside appearance is a satin-black appearance, while the inside
reminds me of shiny black-plastic bags.


First Use:
The arrival of the GoLite Whim pants was indeed fortunate, coming the
day before a planned outing. This was one of those trips that makes
me wonder why there is a weather forecasting department, predictions
were for light drizzle with the possibility of thundershowers. The
morning started off with temps at 48� F (8� C), but quickly warmed up
to 62� F (17� C) where it remained for the day. The rain started
around 8 A.M. and lasted for the entire day, coming down hard and
fast, turning the trails into small streams.

As soon as the rain started I pulled my GoLite Whim pants out of my
back pocket (they really do fit easily). Putting them on wasn't as
easy as I had hoped, the opening in the pants leg wasn't large enough
to fit over my hiking boots, requiring the removal of my boots. I
must say, though, that they fit well over my hiking pants, not
causing the legs to ride up, or making it feel as if I had two pairs
of pants on.

Once I had the Whims on I was ready for the testing to begin. Sure
enough, I had plenty of opportunity to see how well they would work
as it rained the entire day. I was impressed at how dry I felt, with
two layers of pants on I wasn't feeling a heat or moisture build up.
By the end of the day my GORE-TEX rain jacket was letting a little
moisture through, but my hiking pants were nicely dry.

Taking the Whim pants off was similar to getting them on: untying the
drawcord was easy, but I had to remove my shoes in order to take the
pants off. This is the most annoying feature, with the heavy rain my
socks and shoes became wet during the changeover.


Test Plan:
While I might not wear them at every hiking trip, I would always
carry the GoLite Whims with me as they are intended to be used - in
case a quick storm rears its ugly thunder-clouded head. The weather
in the Allegheny's is difficult to predict, or so the meteorologists
are always saying, a freak storm catching you off guard is not an
uncommon occurrence here, and having a good pair of water repellant
pants at hand is a necessity. Breath-ability is also a must, when the
storms crop up on a hot June or July day I can get just as wet from
sweating as I would have from the rain. My current emergency pair are
anything but light-weight, easy to pack, and breathable; replacing
them would be more than a Whim, it would be a dream-come-true!

Additionally, having a pair of these in my pocket at a ballgame would
be a fantastic way to be prepared for when a shower interrupts the
viewing (but not the game). I have been caught in more than my fair
share of baseball games when a storm comes along, and our stadium
doesn't have many places where you can get out of the rain.


EVALUTIONS
What I would be most concerned with, and would pay the most attention
to, is:

QUALITY: Tightness of the seams, without bunching. Water repellency
at the seams -- do the seams need sealed? I even have an interesting
plan for testing this: seal off the waist and legs, inflate them with
air, then force them into a tub of water. Check afterwards to see if
any water seeped in through the seams.

FIT: In addition to just plain fitting, how will they fit as an outer
layer? I certainly don't want to get undressed just to change pants
when a shower strikes. Also, will the legs go on over a pair of
hiking boots, or will I need to remove the boots before I put on the
GoLite Whims? Again, this is in the event of an emergency storm where
every moment counts.

COMFORT: When worn as regular hiking pants, on days when it is
raining before I even start out, how does the nylon feel against the
skin -- does it stick? When worn on the outside, over another pair of
pants in an emergency situation, will they wind up being to hot? Too
tight? Another thing that concerns me, with regards to comfort, is
that they are only available in black -- will they be too hot in the
summer, especially with the sun beating down?

ENDURANCE: I know the GoLite Whims are made to be packed (even in a
back pocket), but how well will they hold up to being crumpled and
removed? Will it affect the water-resistance? Are they capable of
holding up to jagger bushes, and still retain their water-shedding
abilities? Will the drawcord at the waist begin to fray before the
end of the test period? I've found that drawcords have the tendency
to break, or to not hold their place during heavy exercise (such as
climbing a steep trail).



On May 26, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Stephanie Martin wrote:

> Mike:
> Thank you for the adjustment to your IR.
> I have a few items for you to consider.
>
> Based on the back-and-forth we've had on the list, I think it would be
> useful to incude more detail regarding whether or not these pants
> met your
> expectations based on your visit to the GoLite website.
>
> In addition, I'd like to see more information regarding your
> anticipated
> field conditions - similar to the type of information that should
> be found
> in your application.
>
> While I understand the purpose of your "first use" section, I would
> prefer
> that you not utilize your single use to draw conclusions on the
> performance of the pants, as that is more appropriate to your field
> and
> long term reports.  Your conclusions with regards to the fit and
> ease of
> putting the pants on and taking them off are appropriate.  I remain
> torn
> on your use of these pants on a day that was forecast to have light
> steady
> drizzle with a chance of thunderstorms - but I also understand that
> you
> can't test the dwr treatment of the pants without taking them into the
> field on a day that is indeed raining.
>
> My final concerns are with regards to your test plan - many of your
> concerns border on the dreaded "projection." While your concerns are
> valid, it may help to not hypothesize on what may occur during the
> test
> period - but to simply state your concern and how you plan to
> evaluate it.
>  I also recommend revisiting your actual application to pull items for
> your test plan.
>
> I appreciate all the work you're doing on this,
> Stephanie

This is a great name for a stove, sounding very powerful. Unfortunately
for me, it brings back memories of the Southern California firestorms
of 2003 where thousands lost their homes and dozens died. The town I
work in is still remembering its dead and still rebuilding its homes.

Bill

Attn:  Andrew Priest & Fuzzy - Duofold Multisport Test

Andrew,
Chuck has uploaded his revised report.  Apparently the upload notice
came to me between the time I checked my e-mail and the time I posted
the reminder notice.

Chuck,
Sorry about missing the upload notice yesterday before I posted, and
thanks for taking care of adding the information.

Looks like this test series is now complete.

Pam

Application: Injinji Tetratsok

------

Please review and consider accepting my application to
test the Injinji Tetrasok. If I meet all the criteria
for testing and if I am selected I would test the
socks thoroughly during the four month testing period.
According to the specifications of the manufacturer I
would require a size Medium. I would prefer the
Quarter Sock Length and the color of slate is perfect
for the dirt that I encounter.
I have read and understood the current requirements in
the Survival Guide Version 1202, and I agree to comply
with all of these requirements as a tester stated in
Chapter 5 as of June 1, 2006. I also have a signed
tester agreement on file.

Name: Gail Staisil
Age: 53
Gender: Female
Height: 5'9" (1.75 m)
Weight: 140lbs (64 kg)
Boot Size: 10.5 US Women's
Sock Size: Medium ( Women's 9-11.5)
Email: woodswoman2001@...
Location: Marquette, Michigan USA
Date: June 1, 2006

Background Information:
For the last 16 years backpacking has become a
passion. I am a four-season backpacker and an
off-trail navigator. Although I do take yearly trips
to the American West or Southwest, the majority of my
trips are in Michigan and Canada. My pack weight
varies considerably, but my base weight is under 18
lb (8.16 kg). I am primarily a tarp camper who
averages over 50 nights a year backpacking in a huge
variety of weather conditions including relentless
rain, wet snow and sub-zero temps.

------

Why I would like to test the Injinji Tetratsok:

Wow! - I really want these socks! When I saw the
promotional material for the Injinji Tetratsok I
immediately thought that it was very innovative to
combine new technology with an old idea. A few decades
back I possessed socks that were configured in the
same design arrangement but had little attributes
otherwise. They were made out of an ordinary cotton
blend, had bulky seams and looked funky (I suppose
that is why I bought them at the time). The most I
could do with them is wear them without shoes around
my house as they were too bulky to wear inside of
footwear. Anyway I like the concept and I am really
excited about possibly testing the Injinji Tetratsok
with the cool features.

If I get a chance to test a pair of the Injinji
Tetratsok I would test them not only during my
numerous backpacking excursions but also while running
on rugged trails not far from my home. I would try
them in a variety of footwear including but not
limited to my leather boots, trail runners, trail
shoes and sandals.

------

Field Information:

My scheduled backpacking trips in Michigan include a
four to five day solo trip in June, several
overnighters or three day trips in July to Grand
Island, a six day trip to Porcupine Mountains in
August and a long solo trip of eight to ten days in
late August or September to Isle Royale National Park.
In addition to backpacking I will be doing a long
wilderness canoe trip during August in the province of
Ontario in Canada. I also will most certainly be doing
some extra overnighters when the mood strikes, I like
to escape to the wilderness often. The amount of time
in the field will far surpass the minimum requirements
for this test. When I am not backpacking I also trail
run and dayhike most days of the week.

------

Field Conditions:

Average conditions for June would expect an average
high of 70 F ( 21 C) and an average low of 48 F (9 C).
July being the hottest month of the test period
historically has an average high of 75 F (29 C) and an
average low of 53 F (11 C). No hot tropical clime
here. The Great Lakes create their own unique weather
system, so I would expect rapid sudden drops in
temperatures and much precipitation during this time
period. Precipitation averages for this time period
add up to almost 14 in (36 cm). All of these trips
will be taken to hilly boreal or deciduous forest.

All testing conditions will be at low elevation or low
altitude 600 ft (183 m) to 2000 ft (610 m), with
mostly semi-warm conditions and mid-to-high range
humidity (70-95 percent).

------

Testing Strategy:

--Fit:
Will the socks fit snugly against my feet? Will they
stay in place while hiking and running? Will the
individual "toes" be hard to put on each of my toes
without creasing? Will there be too much fabric bulk
between my toes? Will the socks stretch so that I can
easily put them on my feet? Will they contour nicely
to my weird feet?

--Construction:
Will the seamless socks be neatly constructed and not
have any loose threads or yarn? Will the seamless heel
pockets be finished off properly? Will the top edge be
finished off neatly and not be irritating to the skin?
Will the combination of materials used in the
Tetratsok be an ideal blend and integrate nicely into
the socks?

--Durability:
Will the Tetratsok hold up to repeated wear? Will they
pill or become fuzzy with use? Will the heel area of
the sock become thin due to possible rubbing
interaction with boots? Will the Spande-flex in the
socks retain its stretchiness? Will the appearance of
the socks change significantly over the course of four
months of extended use?

--Comfort:
Does the heel pocket area stay comfortably in
place? Will the individual toes lie flat and
comfortable and not rub the top and sides of my toes?
Will the AIS Technology prevent my feet from getting
blisters because there is no skin-to-skin contact
between the toes? Is there enough wool in the socks to
keep my feet warm? Is the merino wool itchy? Do the
socks feel soft to my feet? Are the socks comfortable
when they are wet? Can the socks be worn un-washed
several days in a row without retaining too much odor?
If they are worn in that manner will they be
comfortable and not flattened out from extended use?
Will the Tetratsok with their AIS Technology that
incorporates "natural wicking" keep my feet relatively
cool during hot weather? Will I really feel like I am
hiking or running "barefoot"? Will I notice that I
have better gripping power now that my feet aren't
encased in traditional type socks?

--Versatility:
Will I be able to use these socks with a variety of
footwear including Gortex-lined boots, trail runners,
trail shoes and sandals? During wet conditions will I
be able to use these socks with a vapor barrier
over them? Will I be able to use gaiters with them?
Will I be able to use these socks for not only
backpacking, but also for other activities such as
trail running? Will the socks look good enough to wear
with more casual attire?

--Wick-ability:
Will the combination of Nuwool,Lycra and Spande-flex
be adequate to prevent moisture retention? Do the
socks feel mostly dry when wearing them or do they
feel wet and clammy? If the socks are worn several
days in a row without washing, will they retain their
breath-ability?

--Care:
Are the Tetratsok easy to care for out in the field as
well as at home? Are there any special
wool soap products that must be used for their care?
Will the socks dry quickly when they get wet? Will the
mostly wool socks shrink if hot water is used to wash
them?

In addition, I will address any extra issues that may
come up during the test period, if I am privileged to
test the Injinji Tetratsok.

------

I have completed many winter test series recently.
Currently I am testing three products that are all in
the Field Report stage. None of the items would
conflict with the Injinji Tetratsok as they could all
be used at the same time. I have proven that I can
handle multiple tests with ease as I am out in the
wilderness often and find no lack of opportunity to
test multiple items thoroughly. I promise to give any
product that I test an exemplary host of field use
wear and tear. I also dedicate much of my time at home
to write thorough and timely reports between trips. I
am also currently working on another Owner Review that
should be finished shortly.

------

Completed Tests:

Smith Theory Sunglasses
Gregory G Pack
Darn Tough Vermont Boot Socks
Sierra Designs Hercules Assault AST Tent
Ibex Shak Hoody
La Sportiva Rajas Trail Shoes
Sierra Designs Electra Sleeping Bag
MSR XGK EX Stove

------

Current Tests:

Sierra Designs Baku 2 Tent - FR stage
Simplissity UnSlack Pack - FR stage
GoLite Whim Pants - FR stage

------

Owner Reviews:

RailRiders Eco-Mesh Shirt
Granite Gear Air Space Bag
Adventure Foods Cold Prep Salads/Spreads
Steger Mukluks (Arctic with Ribbon Trim)

------

Applications on file:

Wallcreeper Sleeping Bag
Orikaso Solo Set
Coolibar Hoody and Hat

------

All of my Tests and Owner Reviews can be linked at:

http://www.backpackgeartest.org/tester_reviews/isleroyalegirl

------

Thank You to Injinji and BackpackGearTest for
evaluating my application for this test.
































































Test Plan:

--Fit:
Will the socks fit snugly against my feet? Will they
stay in place while hiking and running? Will the
individual "toes" be hard to put on each of my toes
without creasing? Will there be too much fabric bulk
between my toes? Will the socks stretch so that I can
easily put them on my feet? Will they contour nicely
to my weird feet?

--Construction:
Will the socks be neatly constructed and not have any
loose threads or yarn? Will the heel pockets be
finished off properly?  Will the top edge be finished
off neatly and not be irritating to the skin? Will the
combination of  materials used in the socks be an
ideal blend and integrate nicely in to the socks? Will
the toe box seam be finished off smoothly?

--Durability:
These socks are supposed to be darn tough - will they
hold up to repeated wear? Will they pill or become
fuzzy with use? Will the heel area of the sock become
thin due to possible rubbing interaction with boots?
Will the Spandex in the socks retain its stretchiness?
Will the appearance of the socks change significantly
over the course of four months of extended use? Will
the high-density terry loop padding in the foot and
shin area flatten out under pressure?

--Comfort:
Would the use of a vapor barrier restrict their
comfort? Does the heel pocket area stay comfortably in
place? Does the ribbing above the ankle irritate or
restrict movement? Will the toe box seam be flat and
comfortable and not rub the top and sides of my toes?
Is there enough wool in the socks to keep my feet
warm? Is the merino wool itchy? Do the socks feel soft
to my feet? Are the socks comfortable when they are
wet? Can the socks be worn un-washed several days in a
row without retaining too much odor? If they are worn
in that manner, would they be comfortable and not
flattened out from extended use? Is there too much
cushion in the socks? Are the cushioned sections of
the socks in the right areas?

--Versatility:
Will I be able to use these socks with a variety of
footwear including Gortex-lined boots, mukluks with
felt liners and rubber boots with a wicking liner.
Will I be able to use these socks with a vapor barrier
over them? Will I be able to use gaiters with them?
Will I be able to use these socks for not only
backpacking, but also for other activities such as
snowshoeing and xc sking? Will the socks look good
enough to wear with more casual attire?

--Wick-ability:
Will the Wickit Dry Technology using Cool Max be
adequate for moisture retention? Do the socks feel
mostly dry when wearing them or do they feel wet and
clammy? If the socks are worn several days in a row
without washing, will they retain their
breath-ability?

--Care:
Are the Darn Tough Vermont Socks easy to care for out
in the field as well as at home? Are there any special
wool soap products that must be used for their care?
Will the socks dry quickly when they get wet?  Are
dirt stains easy to wash out? Will the mostly wool
socks shrink if hot water is used to wash them?

In addition, I will address any extra issues that may
come up during the test period, if I am privileged to
test the Darn Tough Vermont Full Cushion Socks.

------

Field Locations:
















***Gail***

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I'm willing to bet they ruled out "the Dresden" early on.

(Ducking and covering)

For UK export, I'm suggesting "the Arthur Brown"
(those of a "certain age" will understand)

http://www.godofhellfire.co.uk/60s.htm

--Rick

--- In backpackgeartesters@yahoogroups.com, "tcoug7" <tcoug7@...>
wrote:
>
> I'm dying to hear your alternate suggestions.  Remember, they need
to
> be something catchy from a marketing perspective.  Ol Reliable
isn't
> going to cut it.  ;)
>
> This could be fun...
>
> Tim
>
> --- In backpackgeartesters@yahoogroups.com, Edward Ripley-Duggan
> <erd@> wrote:
> >
> > The Fyrestorm's a really intriguing stove. Kudos to Coleman for
> > implementing it. However, am I alone in finding the name somehow
> > slightly alarming? Not only does it sound like a heavy metal
band
> > (though I suppose it would then need have an umlaut over the y,
just
> > because) but the last thing I want to have when I light my stove
> > is... well, a firestorm. Probably too late to suggest an
alternate
> to
> > Coleman, and maybe it's just me.
> >
>

LOL...I had a heck of a time finding a copy of that one a few months ago. I
lived in England in the late '60s.....

Jerry

  <http://www.backpackgeartest.org/> http://www.BackpackGearTest.org : the
most comprehensive interactive gear reviews and tests on the planet.



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From: backpackgeartesters@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:backpackgeartesters@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick D.
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:03 AM
To: backpackgeartesters@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [backpackgeartesters] Re: Fyrestorm name


I'm willing to bet they ruled out "the Dresden" early on.

(Ducking and covering)

For UK export, I'm suggesting "the Arthur Brown"
(those of a "certain age" will understand)

http://www.godofhellfire.co.uk/60s.htm

--Rick

--- In backpackgeartesters@yahoogroups.com, "tcoug7" <tcoug7@...>
wrote:
>
> I'm dying to hear your alternate suggestions.  Remember, they need
to
> be something catchy from a marketing perspective.  Ol Reliable
isn't
> going to cut it.  ;)
>
> This could be fun...
>
> Tim
>
> --- In backpackgeartesters@yahoogroups.com, Edward Ripley-Duggan
> <erd@> wrote:
> >
> > The Fyrestorm's a really intriguing stove. Kudos to Coleman for
> > implementing it. However, am I alone in finding the name somehow
> > slightly alarming? Not only does it sound like a heavy metal
band
> > (though I suppose it would then need have an umlaut over the y,
just
> > because) but the last thing I want to have when I light my stove
> > is... well, a firestorm. Probably too late to suggest an
alternate
> to
> > Coleman, and maybe it's just me.
> >
>








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I try!

Sonjia

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> Good to see that you have your priorities straight.......
>
> Jerry
>

We all scream for Ice Cream :D

Now you too can have ice cream at your basecamp...if you're willing to
bring in the ice cubes and rock salt that is :D

http://icecreamrevolution.com/index.html

I'm looking forward to reading about your proposed ice cream adventures in
your applications.  Plesae include your non-guaranteed color preference.
One item newbie rule is not in effect, international testers presumed
okay.  This test call will close on Thursday June 8 at 11:59pm MST/PDT.
Include "Play and Freeze Ice Cream Maker" in the subject line.

Summer is here ;)
-Steph


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Alex,
Here is my slightly revised application. The only
change regards my toes :)

APPLICATION: Injinji Tetratsok

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Please review and consider accepting my application to
test the Injinji Tetrasok. If I meet all the criteria
for testing and if I am selected I would test the
socks thoroughly during the four month testing period.
According to the specifications of the manufacturer I
would require a size Medium. I would prefer the
Quarter Sock Length and the color of slate is perfect
for the dirt that I encounter.
I have read and understood the current requirements in
the Survival Guide Version 1202, and I agree to comply
with all of these requirements as a tester stated in
Chapter 5 as of June 1, 2006. I also have a signed
tester agreement on file.

Name: Gail Staisil
Age: 53
Gender: Female
Height: 5'9" (1.75 m)
Weight: 140lbs (64 kg)
Boot Size: 10.5 US Women's
Sock Size: Medium ( Women's 9-11.5)
Email: woodswoman2001@...
Location: Marquette, Michigan USA
Date: June 1, 2006

Background Information:
For the last 16 years backpacking has become a
passion. I am a four-season backpacker and an
off-trail navigator. Although I do take yearly trips
to the American West or Southwest, the majority of my
trips are in Michigan and Canada. My pack weight
varies considerably, but my base weight is under 18
lb (8.16 kg). I am primarily a tarp camper who
averages over 50 nights a year backpacking in a huge
variety of weather conditions including relentless
rain, wet snow and sub-zero temps.

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Why I would like to test the Injinji Tetratsok:

Wow! - I really want these socks! When I saw the
promotional material for the Injinji Tetratsok I
immediately thought that it was very innovative to
combine new technology with an old idea. A few decades
back I possessed socks that were configured in the
same design arrangement but had little attributes
otherwise. They were made out of an ordinary cotton
blend, had bulky seams and looked funky (I suppose
that is why I bought them at the time). The most I
could do with them is wear them without shoes around
my house as they were too bulky to wear inside of
footwear. Anyway I like the concept and I am really
excited about possibly testing the Injinji Tetratsok
with the cool features.

If I get a chance to test a pair of the Injinji
Tetratsok I would test them not only during my
numerous backpacking excursions but also while running
on rugged trails not far from my home. I would try
them in a variety of footwear including but not
limited to my leather boots, trail runners, trail
shoes and sandals. All ten of my toes of various
lengths(longest being 2 in/5 cm)would appreciate it.

------

Field Information:

My scheduled backpacking trips in Michigan include a
four to five day solo trip in June, several
overnighters or three day trips in July to Grand
Island, a six day trip to Porcupine Mountains in
August and a long solo trip of eight to ten days in
late August or September to Isle Royale National Park.
In addition to backpacking I will be doing a long
wilderness canoe trip during August in the province of
Ontario in Canada. I also will most certainly be doing
some extra overnighters when the mood strikes, I like
to escape to the wilderness often. The amount of time
in the field will far surpass the minimum requirements
for this test. When I am not backpacking I also trail
run and dayhike most days of the week.

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Field Conditions:

Average conditions for June would expect an average
high of 70 F ( 21 C) and an average low of 48 F (9 C).
July being the hottest month of the test period
historically has an average high of 75 F (29 C) and an
average low of 53 F (11 C). No hot tropical clime
here. The Great Lakes create their own unique weather
system, so I would expect rapid sudden drops in
temperatures and much precipitation during this time
period. Precipitation averages for this time period
add up to almost 14 in (36 cm). All of these trips
will be taken to hilly boreal or deciduous forest.

All testing conditions will be at low elevation or low
altitude 600 ft (183 m) to 2000 ft (610 m), with
mostly semi-warm conditions and mid-to-high range
humidity (70-95 percent).

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Testing Strategy:

--Fit:
Will the socks fit snugly against my feet? Will they
stay in place while hiking and running? Will the
individual "toes" be hard to put on each of my toes
without creasing? Will there be too much fabric bulk
between my toes? Will the socks stretch so that I can
easily put them on my feet? Will they contour nicely
to my weird feet?

--Construction:
Will the seamless socks be neatly constructed and not
have any loose threads or yarn? Will the seamless heel
pockets be finished off properly? Will the top edge be
finished off neatly and not be irritating to the skin?
Will the combination of materials used in the
Tetratsok be an ideal blend and integrate nicely into
the socks?

--Durability:
Will the Tetratsok hold up to repeated wear? Will they
pill or become fuzzy with use? Will the heel area of
the sock become thin due to possible rubbing
interaction with boots? Will the Spande-flex in the
socks retain its stretchiness? Will the appearance of
the socks change significantly over the course of four
months of extended use?

--Comfort:
Does the heel pocket area stay comfortably in
place? Will the individual toes lie flat and
comfortable and not rub the top and sides of my toes?
Will the AIS Technology prevent my feet from getting
blisters because there is no skin-to-skin contact
between the toes? Is there enough wool in the socks to
keep my feet warm? Is the merino wool itchy? Do the
socks feel soft to my feet? Are the socks comfortable
when they are wet? Can the socks be worn un-washed
several days in a row without retaining too much odor?
If they are worn in that manner will they be
comfortable and not flattened out from extended use?
Will the Tetratsok with their AIS Technology that
incorporates "natural wicking" keep my feet relatively
cool during hot weather? Will I really feel like I am
hiking or running "barefoot"? Will I notice that I
have better gripping power now that my feet aren't
encased in traditional type socks?

--Versatility:
Will I be able to use these socks with a variety of
footwear including Gortex-lined boots, trail runners,
trail shoes and sandals? During wet conditions will I
be able to use these socks with a vapor barrier
over them? Will I be able to use gaiters with them?
Will I be able to use these socks for not only
backpacking, but also for other activities such as
trail running? Will the socks look good enough to wear
with more casual attire?

--Wick-ability:
Will the combination of Nuwool,Lycra and Spande-flex
be adequate to prevent moisture retention? Do the
socks feel mostly dry when wearing them or do they
feel wet and clammy? If the socks are worn several
days in a row without washing, will they retain their
breath-ability?

--Care:
Are the Tetratsok easy to care for out in the field as
well as at home? Are there any special
wool soap products that must be used for their care?
Will the socks dry quickly when they get wet? Will the
mostly wool socks shrink if hot water is used to wash
them?

In addition, I will address any extra issues that may
come up during the test period, if I am privileged to
test the Injinji Tetratsok.

------

I have completed many winter test series recently.
Currently I am testing three products that are all in
the Field Report stage. None of the items would
conflict with the Injinji Tetratsok as they could all
be used at the same time. I have proven that I can
handle multiple tests with ease as I am out in the
wilderness often and find no lack of opportunity to
test multiple items thoroughly. I promise to give any
product that I test an exemplary host of field use
wear and tear. I also dedicate much of my time at home
to write thorough and timely reports between trips. I
am also currently working on another Owner Review that
should be finished shortly.

------

Completed Tests:

Smith Theory Sunglasses
Gregory G Pack
Darn Tough Vermont Boot Socks
Sierra Designs Hercules Assault AST Tent
Ibex Shak Hoody
La Sportiva Rajas Trail Shoes
Sierra Designs Electra Sleeping Bag
MSR XGK EX Stove

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Current Tests:

Sierra Designs Baku 2 Tent - FR stage
Simplissity UnSlack Pack - FR stage
GoLite Whim Pants - FR stage

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Owner Reviews:

RailRiders Eco-Mesh Shirt
Granite Gear Air Space Bag
Adventure Foods Cold Prep Salads/Spreads
Steger Mukluks (Arctic with Ribbon Trim)

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Applications on file:

Wallcreeper Sleeping Bag
Orikaso Solo Set
Coolibar Hoody and Hat

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All of my Tests and Owner Reviews can be linked at:

http://www.backpackgeartest.org/tester_reviews/isleroyalegirl

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Thank You to Injinji and BackpackGearTest for
evaluating my application for this test.
































































Test Plan:

--Fit:
Will the socks fit snugly against my feet? Will they
stay in place while hiking and running? Will the
individual "toes" be hard to put on each of my toes
without creasing? Will there be too much fabric bulk
between my toes? Will the socks stretch so that I can
easily put them on my feet? Will they contour nicely
to my weird feet?

--Construction:
Will the socks be neatly constructed and not have any
loose threads or yarn? Will the heel pockets be
finished off properly?  Will the top edge be finished
off neatly and not be irritating to the skin? Will the
combination of  materials used in the socks be an
ideal blend and integrate nicely in to the socks? Will
the toe box seam be finished off smoothly?

--Durability:
These socks are supposed to be darn tough - will they
hold up to repeated wear? Will they pill or become
fuzzy with use? Will the heel area of the sock become
thin due to possible rubbing interaction with boots?
Will the Spandex in the socks retain its stretchiness?
Will the appearance of the socks change significantly
over the course of four months of extended use? Will
the high-density terry loop padding in the foot and
shin area flatten out under pressure?

--Comfort:
Would the use of a vapor barrier restrict their
comfort? Does the heel pocket area stay comfortably in
place? Does the ribbing above the ankle irritate or
restrict movement? Will the toe box seam be flat and
comfortable and not rub the top and sides of my toes?
Is there enough wool in the socks to keep my feet
warm? Is the merino wool itchy? Do the socks feel soft
to my feet? Are the socks comfortable when they are
wet? Can the socks be worn un-washed several days in a
row without retaining too much odor? If they are worn
in that manner, would they be comfortable and not
flattened out from extended use? Is there too much
cushion in the socks? Are the cushioned sections of
the socks in the right areas?

--Versatility:
Will I be able to use these socks with a variety of
footwear including Gortex-lined boots, mukluks with
felt liners and rubber boots with a wicking liner.
Will I be able to use these socks with a vapor barrier
over them? Will I be able to use gaiters with them?
Will I be able to use these socks for not only
backpacking, but also for other activities such as
snowshoeing and xc sking? Will the socks look good
enough to wear with more casual attire?

--Wick-ability:
Will the Wickit Dry Technology using Cool Max be
adequate for moisture retention? Do the socks feel
mostly dry when wearing them or do they feel wet and
clammy? If the socks are worn several days in a row
without washing, will they retain their
breath-ability?

--Care:
Are the Darn Tough Vermont Socks easy to care for out
in the field as well as at home? Are there any special
wool soap products that must be used for their care?
Will the socks dry quickly when they get wet?  Are
dirt stains easy to wash out? Will the mostly wool
socks shrink if hot water is used to wash them?

In addition, I will address any extra issues that may
come up during the test period, if I am privileged to
test the Darn Tough Vermont Full Cushion Socks.

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***Gail***

**There is a pleasure in the pathless woods** - Lord Byron

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I'm guessing by the nature of this item Car Camping 'nights' would be
accepted for potential testers?


...although there was that time when I was a volunteer in the Grand
Canyon and I filled up almost all our water jugs with ice so we would
have cold water all the way down 8)

Becki

Mike - thanks for the re-vamp!
   A quick edit below and you can upload.  Thanks again, I really appreciate all
the work you put into this.

   -Stephanie

Mike Lipay <hiking@...> wrote:
     Test Plan:

   EDIT--> Can you include a brief summary of your expectd field conditions
during the test period?

   EVALUTIONS

   QUALITY: Tightness of the seams, without bunching. Water repellency
at the seams -- do the seams need sealed?

   EDIT--> do the seams need TO BE sealed?

   I even have an interesting
plan for testing this: seal off the waist and legs, inflate them with
air, then force them into a tub of water. Check afterwards to see if
any water seeped in through the seams.

   COMMENT: This may be an unfair evaluation as the pants are not designed to be
submerged.  I recommend removing this proposed test.

   COMFORT: When worn as regular hiking pants, on days when it is
raining before I even start out, how does the nylon feel against the
skin -- does it stick?

   COMMENT: If it is raining before you start out, you may be treading on unfair
use of the pants....

ENDURANCE:
   Are they capable of
holding up to jagger bushes, and still retain their water-shedding
abilities?

   EDIT: I think you ment jagged bushes...

   Thanks again Mike, I appreciate your work - once this is tweaked, go ahead and
upload.
   -Stephanie

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Lol - yes, bonus points for someone who intends to actually go hiking with it...

   ;)
   -Steph

becki_s19 <becki_s19@...> wrote:
   Steph-

I'm guessing by the nature of this item Car Camping 'nights' would be
accepted for potential testers?


...although there was that time when I was a volunteer in the Grand
Canyon and I filled up almost all our water jugs with ice so we would
have cold water all the way down 8)

Becki








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> We all scream for Ice Cream :D

I currently have 3 kinds of ice cream in my freezer in addition to a
few other kinds of frozen desserts on sticks.  I will definitely be
applying for this one!

Jennifer P.

Got this one in on time...

Nice sandals.  Yahooisms blah blah blah� HTML in test folder at
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/test/TESTS/Keen%20Venice%20-%
20Fuzzy/
  - or -
http://tinyurl.com/f4o34

Fuzzy (Chuck Kime)
*************************
KEEN Venice Sandals
Initial Report � June 1, 2006

Contents
� Reviewer Information
� Backpacking Background
� Product Information
� Features and Benefits
� Arrival
� Description
� First Impressions
� Field Information
� Things I Like
� Things I Don't Like

Reviewer Information

Name: Chuck Kime
Nickname: Fuzzy
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Height: 5' 8" (172 cm)
Weight: 240 lb (109 kg)
Email address: chuck_kime AT yahoo DOT com
City, State, Country: Upper Darby (Philadelphia suburb), PA, U.S.A.
Date: June 1, 2006

Additional Information applicable to this test

Foot size: 9EEEE (US)
Shoe size: 8�EEE-10D (US), depending on cut of shoe

Backpacking Background
My family started car/trailer camping when I was about 5.  After 17
years in the Army Reserve fine-tuning my packing methodology I was
down to a fairly respectable 75-80 lb (34-36 kg) load in my ALICE
pack.  Advancing age, arthritic knees and injuries have led me to
seriously rethink my gear choices, experiment with tarps and
hammocks, make some of my own gear, and look closer at my `toys' with
an eye for multi-use and light weight.  I now have a sub-30 lb (14
kg) 3-season load, and should be able to reduce it well under 20 lb
(9 kg) � before food, fuel and water � without much more effort.

Additional Background applicable to this test

I spend the better part of 5 or 6 months each year wearing sandals
whenever possible.

Product Information

Manufacturer: KEEN
Model: Venice
Year of Manufacture: 2006
URL: http://www.keenfootwear.com
Listed weight: 13.8 oz (391 g)
Measured weight (size 9�): 12.8 oz (363 g) each, scale accurate to
0.1 oz
Color: Bison (brown)
Other colors available (men): Olive, Black
Other colors available (women): Mint (green), Spectra (pink), Powder
(blue)
MSRP: None given

Features (from web site)
� Metatomical Low Durometer EVA Footbed
� Compression Molded EVA Midsole
� Non-Marking Siped Rubber Outsole
� Patented Toe Protection
� AEGIS Microbe Shield (T) Treated SBR Lining
� Washable Waterproof Leather Upper
� V Strap Forefoot Capture Design


Arrival
The sandals arrived on May 25, 2006, in a standard retail shoe box.
The box was received undamaged.  Inside the box I found the sandals
wrapped in KEEN-printed paper.  Inserted in each sandal was a
cardboard-like form to keep the shape during shipping.  Attached to
one of the footbeds was a small label with graphical care and/or
material information.  There was also a small folded card with KEEN
Sandal Product Care instructions.  There were no other contents, and
all contents appeared undamaged.

Description
The Venice is the newest KEEN sandal, and appears to be a lighter,
more open variation of the Newport, previously tested here at
BackpackGearTest.org.  It has a V-strap design that allows the tongue
to float, giving the sandal � and the foot � increased flexibility.

The upper is a perforated waterproof leather, brown (Bison) in this
case, backed by black neoprene throughout.  The sandals are pre-laced
with a non-removable elastic cord and cordlock that allows for
variations in tightness, as well as ease of getting the sandals on
and off.  At the top of the tongue and the heel strap are pull loops
of webbing � with reflective stitching � to assist in putting the
sandals on.

The midsole, which is marked "ANTI-ODOR" and "ANATOMIC FOOTBED", has
a sueded surface and sturdy arch support.  It has enough friction to
keep my foot from sliding around, but not so much to feel rough or
uncomfortable.  On a side note, I seem to be able to defeat
most `anti-odor' technology and these sandals are � unfortunately �
no exception.

The sole of the Venice is made of a non-marking rubber, and has
siping (grooves) cut into it, as opposed to a blocky tread.  This
should allow for water to get out from under the sole as well as
increase the contact area, which could be important on surfaces like
wet rock.  In the front, the sole material continues up and back over
the toes to provide toe protection.  This protection extends over my
first 4 toenails.

First Impressions
The sandals are exactly what I expected based on the web site.  They
are supportive, comfortable, stable and secure.  I'm going to enjoy
this test.

Field Information
Our Boy Scout troop camps monthly, generally in the wooded areas of
southeastern Pennsylvania and the Pocono Mountains.  Almost all of
these outings include a minimum of 2 nights of camping, with
temperatures expected to be from lows around 45 �F (7 �C) to highs
around 95 �F (35 �C) during the 4-month test period.  Elevations will
range from sea level to approximately 1,500' (457 m).  Our new
Scoutmaster has added monthly hikes to our schedule as well.  My wife
and I, who between us have 3 First Class boy scouts (ages 14, 15 and
16), are also looking into additional camping without the scouts, and
there are possibilities of some AT section hikes (two down � many to
go!) in Pennsylvania and New Jersey with my son as he works towards
the Hiking Merit Badge.

My son has begun working on the Hiking Merit Badge, which requires
the completion of five 10-mile (16 km) hikes and one 20-mile (32 km)
hike, and needs a buddy to accompany him on these hikes (i.e. me).
These hikes, only two of which have been done so far, will likely be
done at relatively low elevations in southeastern Pennsylvania, with
a possibility of doing a short section of the Appalachian Trail (in
Pennsylvania) for the 20-miler.

I started wearing sandals in 2003, when I picked up a cheap pair at a
department store.  I grew to really enjoy the airyness (is that a
word?) and comfort as something to change into when I got home from
work, or to just slip on and go on the weekends.  I spent the
majority of the last two summers, starting in mid-spring, in some
other store-brand and brand-name sandals � including wearing them to
the office � and really appreciated the comfort, as well as the
buckle that let me put them on and off without having to re-Velcro or
re-adjust them every time.  I have been considering sandals as a
hiking/trail shoe alternative to my lightweight boots or sneakers,
due to their ability to keep my feet cool and to dry quickly, and
have worn them on a few trips so far, and am now looking forward to
the opportunity to try out a pair made for the purpose.

Things I am/will be looking for:
� Fit.  Do they fit me?  Is the sizing accurate?  Are they wide
enough?
� Materials.  Is the upper durable?  Is it waterproof?
� Comfort.  Can I wear the sandals with socks?  Do they provide
good arch support (and, if not, can other insoles be used)?  Do they
hold my feet securely while walking/running/hiking?
� Traction.  Do they slip at all on wet rocks?  How about wet
pavement?  Do they shed mud well?
� Smell.  Do the footbeds develop an odor?  If so, can it be
washed out?
� Appearance.  Can I wear them to work?  Out to dinner?  Do
they `work' with pants?  With or without socks?
� Washability.  Are there special instructions?  Are they easy
to follow?  Do they dry well?  Do they hold much dirt in the first
place?

My findings so far:
� Fit.  I am quite happy so far.
� Comfort.  Good arch support.  Secure.
� Smell.  The footbeds managed to acquire an odor after 3
continuous days of wearing (no socks).  The odor washed out.
� Appearance.  I have been wearing them everywhere (except 2
short Memorial Day Scout functions) for the past week, all without
socks.
� Washability.  Machine wash, Gentle cycle.  Air dry.  After
washing, I set them on my dresser overnight.  Temp in my bedroom was
in the mid-80s �F (28-29 �C), without much breeze, and they were dry
in less than 3 hours.

Things I like

1. Light.
2. Comfortable.
3. Supportive.

Things I don't like

1. They start to have an odor fairly quickly, but it does wash
out.

Thank you for your time.

Chuck Kime
a.k.a. Fuzzy

Hello,

I have finished the text version of my IR for the Coleman Fyrestorm.
I will try to get the HTML version updated with pictures and uploaded
tonight.

My IR follows:

Coleman Exponent Fyrestorm Stove � Initial Report

Personal biographical information:
� Name:  Josh Cormier
� Age: 26
� Gender: Male
� Height: 5' 11" (1.80 m)
� Weight: 175 lb (79 kg)
� Email address:  swifteagle1 at hotmail dot com
� City: Los Gatos, California
� Date: 2-Jun-06

Backpacking background:
I started backpacking with the Boy Scouts when was 11 and have been
camping and backpacking ever since. I'm now geared toward more
challenging trips ranging from week-long to weekend in mountainous
areas covering from 7-14 miles (11.27 - 22.54 km) a day. I would
classify my gear as mid weight although now I am trying to move more
toward lightweight. I go backpacking at least once a year in the
Sierra Nevada Mountains as well as monthly car camping trips with the
Scouts.


Product Information: (information taken from Coleman website)

- Item Description: Coleman Fyrestorm Stove
- Listed Stove weight: 7.7 oz (218 g)
- Measured Stove weight:  XX oz (XX g)
- Listed Stove & pump unit weight: 7.7 oz (303 g)
- Measured Stove & pump unit weight:  XX oz (XX g)
- Listed Stove & canister adapter weight: 11.0 oz (312 g)
- Measured Stove & canister adapter weight:  XX oz (XX g)
- BTUs Canister: 14,000
- Boil Time Canister: 3.2 min
- Burn Time Canister: 45 min
- BTUs Liquid: 10,000
- Boil Time Liquid: 3.5 min
- Burn Time Liquid: 75 min
- Dimensions�3 1/4" h x 6 3/4" w x 6 1/4" d
- Pack Size�3 1/4" h x 5 3/4" w x 3 3/4" d
- Fuel used: Runs on Coleman� fuel, unleaded gasoline, or
butane/propane
- Manufactures web site: http://www.coleman.com
- Year of Manufacture: 2006
- MSRP: $189.99
- Item Received: 24-May-06
- Initial Condition: The product arrived in new condition
- Item Completeness: The item was well packaged and included all
required pieces.
- Package Includes: 22 oz. fuel bottle, liquid fuel pump, canister
fuel stand, stove, spare parts, liquid fuel bottle lid, storage sack,
and instructions in three languages.

Packaging:
	 The stove arrived in brown cardboard box that was 2-3 times
lager that the stove box inside. After removing the ample padding I
saw a stylish Coleman exponent box that gives stats on the size, burn
time and weight of the stove. The box also has pictures of the stove
completely set up with the liquid fuel bottle setup and well as the
canister fuel setup. Inside the box the stove components are
separated by cardboard loops and chambers. The instructions for
setting up the stove were located on the top of everything and came
in booklet form, written in English, French, and Spanish.

Initial Impressions:
The stove is lightweight but still has a sturdy feel to it thanks to
the titanium parts including the serrated pot stand and the burner
head. The stove legs and those on the canister stand look somewhat
like plastic but are in fact a powder coated magnesium alloy
material. The legs on both the stove and the canister stand fold
together to make packing into the included sack easier. All
connections are made of brass and are easy to connect since the
outside of all screw-in pieces were knurled for non slip use. The
included repair kit seems to include all the pieces that might be
needed to complete any minor repair on the stove. All of the
connectors came to me covered with plastic caps to keep dirt and
grime from clogging the fuel pathways. The included fuel bottle and
pump look sturdy and seem to be well designed.

Spare parts pics

First Time Setup (Reflector and Windscreen):
The reflector and windscreen are made of a sturdy aluminum that looks
like it can take a lot of use. Initially the factory folds were a bit
tough to get out of the reflector and windscreen to make them open
all the way. Over time with careful folding I think that I can keep
from putting such deep creases in the material. Other than that
initial observation, the reflector and windscreen unfolded easily and
were simple to setup. The reflector unfolds into a circle shape and
lays flat under the stove with the stove's legs sitting on top of it.
The windscreen should be shaped into a circle with the ends folded
over each other to keep the circle closed. There is an opening on a
small portion of the bottom section of the windscreen for the fuel
line to fit through. This allows the user to make adjustments using
the flame adjustor located on the stove through the windscreen.

First Time Setup (Canister fuel):
The fist time setup of the stove using the canister fuel source was
straight forward. First I unfolded the legs of the stove and the
canister stand. Then making sure that the fuel valve was closed, I
screwed the fuel canister into the top of the fuel canister stand.
Next I connected the fuel line which is covered with a stainless
steel mesh from the stove into the canister stand, connecting the two
together.


First Time Cooking (Canister fuel):
Seeing as this was a new stove to me and wanting to test it as the
manufacture intended its use, I decided to read the instructions
before my first use. Following the directions I turned the flame
adjustor to the Open/Light position and then opened the fuel valve
while holding my lighter over the burner holes. The stove immediately
ignited with a whoosh and started sending some sparks out of the
burner area. I let the stove burn for a while with the fuel adjustor
in the full open position to let the stove warm up. I noticed during
this time that the Titanium pot stands were getting red hot at the
tips and the generator was also glowing bright orange. Now turning
the fuel adjustor to low I noticed a slight decrease in the output of
the stove. Notice I said slight as it does not seem that the fuel
adjustor will turn the burner down to anything close to a simmer. I
will try cooking something that requires a lower heat to see if
simmering is possible when cooking with the with canister fuel source.

The fist test I ran for this stove was to boil a quart (0.95 L) of
water in my titanium pot, utilizing both the reflector as well as the
wind screen. I used a candy thermometer to measure the temperature of
the water to determine when it was truly boiling. The water used was
distilled water, room temperature, I measured the amount of water
using the graduated marks on my Nalgene. I found that with the flame
adjustor on high, the stove was able to boil a quart (0.95 L) of
water in about 5 minutes. For the boiling water test I used my
titanium pot that holds a little over a quart (0.95 L), I found that
on level ground the stove was stable and had no problem supporting
the weight of that much water.



First Time Setup (Liquid fuel):
The fist time setup of the stove using the liquid fuel source was
simple enough. First I filled the fuel bottle with Coleman fuel to
the 2/3rds mark. The directions state that this is important,
otherwise the stove will not light correctly. Next I gave the bottle
40 pumps after making sure the valve was closed all the way. The hose
connected the stove to the bottle easily completing the setup. The
instructions for setup and lighting the stove are conveniently
printed on the fuel bottle where they can't be lost and for quick
reference. For the boiling water test I again used my titanium pot
that holds a little over a quart (0.95 L). The entire setup took only
a few minutes and was very easy to figure out even without directions.

First Time Cooking (Liquid fuel):
I've had some experience with white gas stoves, mostly with the
fireball startup so common to them. With these experiences and
Coleman's claim of a new white gas startup technology, I decided to
it would be in my best interest to read and follow Coleman's
instructions on how to light the stove. The instructions say to turn
the fuel adjustor to Open/Light and to open the fuel valve while
holding a match over the stove burner. I was doubtful that this was
really the correct way to light the stove and envisioned fuel
spurting all over the place. Putting all that aside I proceeded to
light the stove just as the instructions on the bottle dictated and
was pleasantly surprised at the results. As soon as I turned the fuel
valve on and the burner lit there was some yellow flame followed
closely by a blue flame. This pattern repeated several seconds before
the yellow flame disappeared and the blue flame took over. I gave the
fuel bottle another 20 pumps to keep pressure up till the generator
took over and opened the fuel valve all the way. Overall it took less
than a minute for the stove to reach a steady blue cooking flame.
With the flame adjustor on high the output is somewhat less than that
of the canister but still hot enough to turn the pot supports a
glowing orange. With the flame adjustor on low it looks as if the
stove will be able to simmer.

The fist test I ran for this stove using Coleman fuel was to boil a
quart (0.95 L) of water in my titanium pot, utilizing both the
reflector as well as the wind screen. I used a candy thermometer to
measure the temperature of the water to determine when it was truly
boiling. The water used was distilled water, room temperature, I
measured the amount of water using the graduated marks on my Nalgene.
I found that with the flame adjustor on high, the stove was able to
boil a quart (0.95 L) of water in just under 4 minutes.


My test plan:
I plan on testing the gear based on several different objectives.
First and most importantly is dependability, does the gear work when
it counts. Secondly is efficiency, does the gear do its job well.
Lastly would be ease of use, is the gear easy to put together and
easy to use. Throughout the test I will seek to answer the following
questions.

I'd like to try cooking some of those more delicate foods on this
stove that I can't seem to keep from burning on my "Afterburner"
stove. This would include pancakes, bacon, and maybe an omelet or
two. For proper testing this cooking will be done changing between
the different fuel sources.


Dependability:

Does the stove consistently fire up without any repair or adjustments?
Does the stove hold up well under use?
Will the stove be able to hold a 1 Quart pot with stability?
Does the stove keep from getting carbon clogged when using white gas?
Is the stove easy to take apart and repair?
Does the stove work with the butane fuel in cold weather?

Efficiency:

Is the stoves flame fully adjustable to conserve fuel?
Is the weight to dependability/usefulness ratio favorable?
Does the stove cool down quickly so it can be packed away?
Do I constantly have to pump the white gas when I am cooking?

Ease of Use:

Is the stove well thought out?
Is the stove easy to setup and takedown?
Is the stove easy to light?
Is the process of connecting the stove to the fuel source straight
forward?
Is the instant start for the white gas easy to use and prevents
overfilling primers?


Thank you to Coleman and BackpackGearTest for allowing me to test
this fine item,
Josh Cormier

Well I agree,

It obviously can't be named: "Colemans pretty good many fuels stove"

How about: Tifyre for the titanium version.

Just havin fun!

Josh C

--- In backpackgeartesters@yahoogroups.com, "tcoug7" <tcoug7@...>
wrote:
>
> I'm dying to hear your alternate suggestions.  Remember, they need
to
> be something catchy from a marketing perspective.  Ol Reliable
isn't
> going to cut it.  ;)
>
> This could be fun...
>
> Tim
>
> --- In backpackgeartesters@yahoogroups.com, Edward Ripley-Duggan
> <erd@> wrote:
> >
> > The Fyrestorm's a really intriguing stove. Kudos to Coleman for
> > implementing it. However, am I alone in finding the name somehow
> > slightly alarming? Not only does it sound like a heavy metal band
> > (though I suppose it would then need have an umlaut over the y,
just
> > because) but the last thing I want to have when I light my stove
> > is... well, a firestorm. Probably too late to suggest an
alternate
> to
> > Coleman, and maybe it's just me.
> >
>

Stephanie,

Thanks for the time and patience with this. I have made the changes
you suggested, and will upload soon. I do have a comment on one point...

On Jun 1, 2006, at 3:20 PM, WoodlandSprite wrote:

> COMMENT: If it is raining before you start out, you may be treading
> on unfair use of the pants....

If we don't go out when we expect to need emergency gear then we may
never have the opportunity to test them. I don't plan on going out
when it is raining, but I don't cancel a trip just because it's
raining either. Surprise showers can occur just as easily at the
start of a trip as in the middle.

>
> ENDURANCE:
>   Are they capable of
> holding up to jagger bushes, and still retain their water-shedding
> abilities?
>
>   EDIT: I think you ment jagged bushes...

Local colloquialism, I guess. Jaggers here cover everything from
thorn-bushes (berries) to weeds which have small, needle-like thorns.
Hard to tell if something is local until you use it.

thanks,

mike

Kathryn
From one tester to another I was wondering where you found the MSRP
for the Keen Venice.  I could not find it on the website and I emailed
Keen and they never got back to me in regards to the price. I would
like to include that in my report if possible.
Jennifer
--- In backpackgeartesters@yahoogroups.com, "Dark Lazarus"
<darklazarus@...> wrote:
>
> HTML can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/gv6u3
>
> kathryn
>
> ------
>
> Keen Venice Sandals - Initial Report
>
> May 26 2006
>
>
> <PIC>Keen Venice Sandals</PIC>
>
> Personal Information:
> Name: Kathryn Doiron
> Age: 30
> Gender: Female
> Height: 1.7 m (5' 8")
> Weight: 68 kg (150 lb)
> Email: kdoiron 'at' gmail 'dot' com
> Location: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
>
> Brief Background: I started backpacking and hiking seriously almost
> four years ago. Most of my miles have been logged in New Hampshire and
> Massachusetts. I have recently finished 1200+ miles (2000+ km) of the
> Appalachian trail. My style is to be as light as possible while not
> spending a fortune. My pack weight tends to hover around 25lbs (11 kg)
> with two days of food and half a liter of water. I have recently
> starting getting into winter hiking, snowshoeing and kayaking.
>
> Product Information:
>
> Manufacturer: Keen
> Material: Waterproof leather, and carbon non-marking rubber
> Website: http://www.keenfootwear.com/
> MSRP: US$95.00
> Colours/Sizes: in Men's - Black, Bison, and Olive, sizes 7-14 (1/2
> sizes up thru 12)
> Weight (as stated): 13.8 oz. (391 g)
> Weight (measured): 26 oz (736 g)
> Colour/Size Received: Bison, size 9 1/2
>
> Initial Report:
>
> The Keen Venice sandal is billed as a trail sandal. It has a sturdy
> rubberized sole with a leather covering for the insole. The straps
> have leather facing and a soft, black, stretchy material on the
> underside. The rubber of the sole comes up over the toe to provide a
> toe cap. The sandals are laced with shockcord with a toggle at the
> top. There are two finger loops to make pulling the sandals on easier,
> on located at the back of the heel and the other located at the top of
> the tongue. Both finger loops are made of webbing and are double sewed
> into the leather of the sandal.
>
> I have wide and large feet as such, I chose the men's sizing as I have
> found that men's footwear is in general, a little wider. I found that
> the 9 1/2 gave me the balance of wide enough with enough toe and
> sliding space. The leather straps are not firmly sewn to each other
> but rather are held in place by a strechy material. This allows me to
> tighten the sandal to a comfortable fit but still have some give to
> the straps. I can also pull the sandals on and off without having to
> loosen the shockcord too much. After wearing the sandals to and from
> work, I have noticed that my winter soft feet are a little tender
> where the ankle straps rub. I have also noticed that the ankle straps
> may be a little high or I have low ankles as the straps sometimes hit
> my ankle causing a little tenderness. I have not noticed any highly
> abrasive points, and I find the insole to be comfortable. The insole
> has little in the way of form fitting, there is a suggestion of arch
> support but there is no toe ridge.
>
> I plan on wearing these on my Sunday morning hikes and all extended,
> overnight trips. I will also be wearing them as often as possible,
> either going to work or on kayaking trips. I will look into how
> comfortable they are and if the open design helps prevent sweaty feet.
> I am especially interested in how well the soles will grip rocks
> either under dry, dusty conditions or under wet conditions. I will
> look into how well the straps keep the sandal held to my foot without
> losing any toes, and while allowing some movement. I will look into
> how well the sandals protect my feet from trail debris and twigs. I am
> interested to see if the fit will feel different once I have extra
> weight on my back. I will look to see if a load makes a difference,
> dayhiking versus weekend backpacking. I will look into how easily
> washable the sandals are and how well they hold up to washing. I do
> not know if the sandals will require a machine washing at any point
> over the test period but if so, I will look into how well they held up
> through the process. In general, I will look into how well the sandals
> fit, how well they perform on the trail and comfortable I find them.
>
> Field Conditions:
>
> Most of my overnight camping will take place in the White Mountains in
> New Hampshire. I have a few trips planned that will include an
> extended trip to the top of Mt. Washington, at 6000ft. Expected
> temperatures can be anywhere from below freezing to 20 C (70 F)
> depending on season and elevation. Weather on Mount Washington is very
> unpredictable. Expected weather conditions in the White Mountains in
> the spring can be from wintery to springlike, rainy or snowy, with
> driving winds depending on elevation.
>
> I have a trek planned into the 100-mile wilderness in Maine for
> mid-summer. I expect the weather to be cool and wet with lots of bugs.
> This would be a 10 day trip and any equipment I bring would see lots
> of hard use.
>
> I also have a weekend car camping trip planned for Mount Greylock in
> Massachusetts in July. I expect the weather to be warm and mild with
> some chance of rain.
>

Hi Jamie,

Just one edit for you -

Long Term Findings
On my trip to Araviapa, I slept right on the ProLite frabic with just a
t-shirt

EDIT:  fabric


Thanks!

Christine

You weren't late at all.

Just two little edits for you and you're good.  I like the pictures.
It is big!

Dislikes
� Stuff sack not included Bottom Line

EDIT:  "Bottom Line" isn't supposed to be there

The Therm-a-Rest Women's Prolite 3 is a great choice for backpackers
who want to reduce pack weight without sacrificing comfort. I would
like to thank BackpackGearTest and Therm-A-Rest for the opportunity to
test the Therm-A-Rest Women's Prolite 3

EDIT:  "ProLite" in two places in this paragraph.

Christine

Just a couple of edits for you Jennifer.

Thanks!

Christine
_______________________________
FIELD INFORMATION
Central California Coast:
EDIT:  Extra blank line after the "Central Coast" header

LONG TERM TESTING pardpardeftab720qlqnatural
EDIT:  extra characters

Durability/Function:
Throughout the test the Women's Prolite 3 has performed very well.
EDIT:  ProLite

Although I need have to shift over one night because I ended up on
top of a root that I could feel through the mattress.
EDIT:  "Although I needed to�"

Thanks to Therm-a-Rest and BackpackGearTest.org for the opportunity
to test the Women's Prolite 3.
EDIT:  ProLite

Hello All,

I made it home safe and sound about 2 hours ago and have now had a
nice hot bath...the trip was fantastic but the mountains were taller
than I remembered. I almost bailed on the third day when we hit the
last road crossing but after spending the night decided my knees could
stand 6 more miles of hiking.  Hammocks can be very therapedic.

I will be slowly catchig back up on BGT stuff (seeing if there are
reports to edit etc)

Coy Boy

Stephanie-

Since you mention a base camp, I assume no one will expect us to actually take
this backpacking, right?

I wonder if an alternative use might be as a clothes washer?  Add a shirt,
shorts, and socks, to some soapy water in the ball, kick it around.  Dump the
dirty water, rinse a few times by kicking the ball around with fresh changes of
water, wring out the clothes, hang to dry.  Wash out the ball, toss in some
clean water and some foraged greens, and kick the ball around to wash that "poke
salad."  Hmm!

Rosaleen

   From: "Stephanie Martin" stephanie@...<about:blank>
Subject: Test Call: I scream, you scream...


We all scream for Ice Cream :D

Now you too can have ice cream at your basecamp...if you're willing to
bring in the ice cubes and rock salt that is :D

http://icecreamrevolution.com/index.html<about:blank>

I'm looking forward to reading about your proposed ice cream adventures in
your applications.  Plesae include your non-guaranteed color preference.
One item newbie rule is not in effect, international testers presumed
okay.  This test call will close on Thursday June 8 at 11:59pm MST/PDT.
Include "Play and Freeze Ice Cream Maker" in the subject line.

Summer is here ;)
-Steph


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Here's my IR for the Probars.  It's also in the test
folder. The pictures and table look better there.
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/test/TESTS/IR%20-%20Probar%20Nutty%20Ban\
ana%20Boom/
I did not put in conversions for the nutritional facts
as the US measures them in g.  Let me know if I'm
wrong.

Cheers
Kenny B

Probar - Nutty Banana Boom
Initial Report
June 1, 2006

Personal Biographical Information:

Name: Ken Bigelow
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Height: 5 ft 9 in (1.8 m)
Weight: 205 lbs (93 kg)
Email address: krb84108 (at) yahoo (dot) com
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah, USA

Backpacking Background:

I was first dragged on a backpacking trip eight years
ago and have been addicted to it ever since.  My
adventures vary in length from a weekend to over two
weeks.  I am slowly shifting my backpacking style to a
lightweight approach.  I recently upgraded to a
hammock to reduce weight.  From spring through fall I
typically backpack in the mountains or desert, while
in winter I often go snowshoeing.  I typically see a
wide variety of climates ranging from 10 F (-12 C)
with snow to 90 F (32 C) and sunny with just about
everything in between.

Product Information:

Manufacturer: Probar, LLC
Website: theprobar.com/
Listed Weight (on package exterior): 3 oz (85 g)
Average Measured Weight: 3.2 oz (91 g)
Year Produced: 2006
Flavored Tested: Nutty Banana Boom
Packaged Dimensions: 6 in x 3.5 in (15 cm x 9 cm)
Energy Bar Dimensions: 3 in x 3in (8 cm x 8 cm)
MSRP: None listed (approximately $3 US/bar based on
numerous retailers)

Product Description & Initial Impressions:

I received two boxes of Probars (each box contains 12
individually wrapped energy bars) for testing.  Each
bar is packaged in a sealed wrapper with an expiration
date, the manufacturer�s name & logo, the flavor and
some small illustrations relating to the flavor
(bananas and peanuts).  The back contains the energy
bar�s nutritional facts, the ingredients, allergy
information and some contact information (website
included) for Probar.  At the time of this report, the
Banana Nutty Boom flavor is not noted on the website
(that I could see).  It does look similar to the two
flavors listed which is what I expected after browsing
Probar�s easy to navigate website.

Opening up a Nutty Banana Boom reveals a square bar
with numerous ingredients blended together, but still
discernable.  After exposing the bar to the air I
immediately could smell a strong scent of banana, nuts
and something (probably a mix of multiple ingredients)
that I was unable to place.   The combined odor was
not unpleasant in any way.

For the Health Nuts:

Nutritional Facts

Calories
  400

Calories from Fat
  190


  Amount Per Serving
  % Daily Value
Based on 2,000 Calorie Diet

Total Fat
  21 g
  32

Saturated Fat
  6 g
  28

Trans Fat
  0 g
  -

Cholesterol
  0 mg
  0

Sodium
  40 mg
  -

Potassium
  150 mg
  4

Total Carbohydrate
  47 g
  16

Dietary Fiber
  7 g
  27

Sugars
  19 g
  -

Protein
  19 g
  -

Omega 3
  670 mg

Omega 6
  590 mg


Ingredients:

Natural unsalted peanut butter (peanuts), organic
brown rice syrup, organic barley malt syrup, fruit &
nut mix (organic raisins, organic sunflower seeds,
juice sweetened papaya, juiced sweetened pineapple,
dates, cashews, unsweetened coconut, pumpkin seeds,
brazil nuts), granola mix (oats, grape concentrate,
expeller pressed canola oil, almonds, oat brand,
natural orange oil, natural vitamin E), granola mix
(organic oats, organic evaporated cane juice, organic
expeller pressed canola oil, crisp rice (organic brown
rice flour, organic evaporated cane juice, organic
molasses, sea salt), organic flax seeds, organic oats
solids, hemp seed), granola (rolled oats, raisins,
corn flakes (milled corn, evaporated cane juice,
barley malt syrup), rolled rye, organic brown crisp
rice (organic brown rice, organic malted barley
syrup), almonds, apples, epasote, organic cardamom
seed, organic fennel seed, organic fenugreek seed,
organic nutmeg), organic sunflower seeds,  chopped
dates (dates, oat flour), organic banana chips,
organic unsweetened coconut, organic flax seeds, raw
cashews, organic brown sesame seeds, carob chips
(whole grain malted barley and corn, fractionated palm
kernel oil, carob powder, soy lecithin), raw almonds,
natural banana flavor.

Testing Location:

I go hiking/camping or backpacking in Utah almost
every weekend from the spring through the fall and
will eat the Probars on every trip until the supply
runs out.  I plan on venturing into Bryce Canyon
National Park or Cedar Mesa before the end of June. In
the summer months I�ll be backpacking in the Wasatch
and Uinta Mountains almost every weekend.  The terrain
will vary greatly and will include wet and muddy
corridors, slickrock, steep and rocky terrain as well
as plain old dirt paths. Temperatures should range
from 30 F (-1 C) to 90 F (32 C). I will likely see all
types of weather ranging from heavy rain to sunny. The
elevations experienced should be between 4,000 ft
(1,200 m) and 11,000 ft (3,300 m).

Testing Plan:

Probars are claimed to be an all natural, 100% vegan
energy bar with 15 whole blended foods.  They are
supposed to provide sports nutrition and act as a meal
replacement.  My waistline will testify that I am by
no means a health nut, but I do run out of gas while
hiking/backpacking if I do not digest enough nutrients
to keep going.  On the trail I typically skip both
breakfast and lunch electing to just snack throughout
the day.  The Nutty Banana Boom flavored Probar will
probably serve as two meals for me.  If they do not
supply me with an energy boost I am going to hit the
wall in the afternoon.  Will the Probars provide me
with enough energy to hike all day long?  Can I handle
eating only Probars until dinnertime?  Will eating
them create an urgent need for water?

Does the new flavor taste good?  While I�m no
connoisseur of food, my waistline alone should stand
as a testament that I know good food (and indulge in
it) when I eat it.  Does eating it evoke my gag
reaction?  Will I find myself craving a Probar when
I�m no longer on the trail?  Does eating one bar fill
me up or will it leave my stomach needing additional
sustenance?  Will I require more than one bar to halt
my hunger?

Will this new flavor disagree with my intestinal
track?  Will it sit well in my stomach or will it need
immediate expulsion?  Will eating a Probar leave an
aftertaste that stays with me all day long?  Can I
pick out or remove any ingredients I don�t want to eat
(i.e. specific nuts, seeds, etc.)?  Will the Probars
melt in their package on warm days?  Will freezing the
Probars kill any flavors?  Can the package be quickly
and easily opened?  Will the bar crumble or fall apart
when stored in my pack with my other free to squish
it?
Thanks to Probar and BackpackGearTest for allowing me
to participate in testing the Nutty Banana Boom
Flavored energy bar.



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