Chuck,

I hear there's not going to be a film  category in this years Beach Dive
contest.  What's "The Man" going to do?

Are you going to be Linda's dive sherpa??? if not I have a opening for a
tank boy.


Roy






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--- In ba_diving@yahoogroups.com, "gra_94545" <guy_alcala@...> wrote:
>
> --- In ba_diving@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Tribolet <triblet@> wrote:
> >
> > Airplane?  What airplane?
>
> The one I've been told rests on the bottom off Del Monte, by the
guy
> who found it.

I know about an airplane crash site off Del Monte, but much further
out than swimming distance, and the plane is not there anymore.

October 2000, I was taking a newly certified diver and co-worker on
his first dives in Monterey Bay.  I was anxious to make his first
dives memorable.  He had been listening to my dive stories at lunch
for years and I didn't want him to be disappointed.  Turns out, we
had two spectacular dives, conditions like last Superbowl Sunday;
good viz and calm water.

Just back in the boat we hear a mayday call on the VHF radio.  A
plane had crashed in the Bay about a mile East of the Breakwater.  We
motored to the location described and were the first motor boat to
arrive.  The mayday call had come from sail boats in the area.

I expected to see people in the water clinging to the fuselage waving
for help, but there were no survivors.  We recovered two bodies.  We
also found some pieces of the plane that were still floating and some
personal items.  All that was left to mark the crash site was an oil
slick, and a strong smell of aviation fuel that caused our eyes to
water.  I saved the waypoint in my gps.

Two Coast Guard vessels arrived and took the dead bodies and the
recovered items from us.  They asked us to leave the area as they
were worried the fuel and oil might catch fire.

A few weeks later we returned and dove the site looking for the
plane.  We found a few large and many small pieces of debris, but the
plane was gone.  I made some inquiries by phone and was told that the
plane had been recovered.

Apparently, the small plane was a canvas covered vintage two-seater.
I think it dated from the 1930's or `40s.  The pilot and passenger
were both women; part of some fly-in or club meeting at Monterey
airport.  I believe both women were experience pilots, one of them
may have been a flight instructor.  The witnesses in the sail boats
said it looked like the pilot became disoriented in the fog and was
heading straight towards the water.  They tried to pull up at the
last second and applied full power to the engine, but the plane tip
stalled, rolled over and nosed in under full power.   It must have
been awful for them; may they rest in peace.

Remember this was my buddies first dive since certification. That is
my plane in the Monterey Bay story. I suppose there are a few more
plane in the bay stories out there.

Michael P. Murphy

Nathan Kane <nkane@...> writes:

> Thanks folks. Time to figure out how to pump that water into the drip
> system now...

I bet you can forgo the pumps and use gravity! Get a barrel and put it
on a stand and put a (filtered--thanks Chuck!) stopcock in it and feed
that into your drip system. Might even be a decorative part of your
garden!

Use a portable sump pump and hose to transfer the water if you don't
have a friend to help you make the transfer.

Peter <cobesweb@...> writes:

> I guess the lack of rain is waking people up to our future reality.
> This will also be the year we take out our two lawns.

I stopped watering our lawn after the dry winter last year. I'm hoping a
good drought might give us a good argument to convince our landlord to
tear up the lawn and plant California natives. Or let me do it :-).

--
Bill Wohler <wohler@...>  http://www.newt.com/wohler/  GnuPG ID:610BD9AD

Bill Wohler wrote:
> I bet you can forgo the pumps and use gravity!

Nope, this will need to be pumped. My back yard is sloped up, and the
top of the hill is about twice the height of my roof which is at the
bottom of the hill. Or, I need to drag all my gear up the hill and wash
it there.  :)

Nathan

Why did 2 divers perish in underwater cave?

By CHRISTINE ARMARIO Associated Press Writer

Posted: 01/30/2009 09:02:38 PM PST



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> Apparently, the small plane was a canvas covered vintage two-seater.
> I think it dated from the 1930's or `40s.  The pilot and passenger
> were both women; part of some fly-in or club meeting at Monterey
> airport.  I believe both women were experience pilots, one of them
> may have been a flight instructor.  The witnesses in the sail boats
> said it looked like the pilot became disoriented in the fog and was
> heading straight towards the water.  They tried to pull up at the
> last second and applied full power to the engine, but the plane tip
> stalled, rolled over and nosed in under full power.   It must have
> been awful for them; may they rest in peace.
>

1959 Beech Debonair

http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=LAX01FA014&rpt=fa

http://www.stinsonflyer.com/prop/be33-04.jpg


Gary Allman

I would much rather be Adm. Linda's dive sherpa than your tank boy.
She's WAAAAAY better looking than you.

Actually, I'm between a rock and a hard place on this.  That weekend
is also the Northern California Boston Whaler Rendezvous.  Linda and
I are the only ones that have been to all of them (about 8).


Chuck Tribolet
http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/people/triblet/

Silicon Valley: STILL the best day job in the world.


Roy Dumlao wrote:
> Chuck,
>
> I hear there's not going to be a film  category in this years Beach Dive
> contest.  What's "The Man" going to do?
>
> Are you going to be Linda's dive sherpa??? if not I have a opening for a
> tank boy.
>
>
> Roy
>
>
>
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Jesus, thanks for posting this.  I heard about it at the time...the details
are fairly accurate.  Please everyone, note the ***attitude***  of these
divers, as well as their training level.  At least one was only cavern
trained, I don't think that the other had cave training at all.  Note the
entitled diver trying to buy a trimix card.  Note how they gained access to
the locked site.  See the seven kids who've lost their fathers.

Larry Green's quote is one to heed....it's not untrained divers (no cave
training) who are getting killed now.  It is divers who are exceeding their
training limits and experience....and divers who don't use good judgment. A
full cave or full trimix card is like any other dive cert---it means that on
a certain day, you passed the standards.  A driver's license, not so
different from Open Water 1.

Please, folks---be careful out there....

[Barbara J. Dwyer]


  -----Original Message-----
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Of "Jesus C. Ruiz"
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:13 PM
To: ba_diving@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ba_diving] [Fwd: Why did 2 divers perish in underwater cave?]




   Why did 2 divers perish in underwater cave?

   By CHRISTINE ARMARIO Associated Press Writer

   Posted: 01/30/2009 09:02:38 PM PST

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At 04:44 PM 2/3/2009, seahound1 wrote:
>I was taking a newly certified diver and co-worker on
>his first dives in Monterey Bay.  I was anxious to make his first
>dives memorable. ...
>We recovered two bodies. ... Remember this was my buddies
>first dive since certification.

Man, that's a first-dive story! I can't even imagine going through
that. Does your friend still dive after that? It's a traumatic story
for anyone.

Mike Boom

One thing to keep in mind about salt water and soil is that salt can
be cumulative and eventually build up to poison soil for plant life.
That's happening with some irrigated land in the central valley. I
assume, though, that if your soil gets soaked through often enough
with fresh water that can flow elsewhere and not just evaporate you
should probably be okay.

Mike Boom

The press release talks about exploring nooks and crannies
underwater, but after trying it out I'd replace that with "mountain
ranges and plains." There's no bathymetric detail close to the shores
where we like to dive. Here's hoping that Google expands that detail
in later versions.

It would be even nicer if NASA did the same to the WorldWind program,
which goes Google one better in providing topo maps for viewed land,
at least in the U.S.

Can you imagine viewing complete detailed bathymetric maps with
contour lines of all of Monterey and Carmel Bays?

Mike Boom

P.S. I did discover after turning on the marine layer that Butterfly
House dive site is located in the middle of Monterey Bay right over a
large submarine canyon. Who knew it required a submarine?

There is GREAT 2M resolution bathymetry for just about every place
interesting in Monterey Bay and points south.  We are REALLY lucky.

See: http://seafloor.csumb.edu/arcims.htm



Chuck Tribolet
http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/people/triblet/

Silicon Valley: STILL the best day job in the world.


Mike Boom wrote:
> The press release talks about exploring nooks and crannies
> underwater, but after trying it out I'd replace that with "mountain
> ranges and plains." There's no bathymetric detail close to the shores
> where we like to dive. Here's hoping that Google expands that detail
> in later versions.
>
> It would be even nicer if NASA did the same to the WorldWind program,
> which goes Google one better in providing topo maps for viewed land,
> at least in the U.S.
>
> Can you imagine viewing complete detailed bathymetric maps with
> contour lines of all of Monterey and Carmel Bays?
>
> Mike Boom
>
> P.S. I did discover after turning on the marine layer that Butterfly
> House dive site is located in the middle of Monterey Bay right over a
> large submarine canyon. Who knew it required a submarine?
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

A C-card is a learner's permit, not a driver license.

NET: Seek training and experience.  Don't do what you
aren't trained to do.  Listen to the old and young silverbacks.
This sport can make you dead.

BTW, it's "Driver License", not "Driver's License".
Go take yours out of your wallet and look.
I'm sure there's a DMV lawyer with a multiple-page
brief on why this is so.  I suspect it has something
to do with the possessive form implying that it's a
right, not a privilege.  But that's what it says
on the plastic.


Chuck Tribolet
http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/people/triblet/

Silicon Valley: STILL the best day job in the world.


Barbara J. Dwyer wrote:
> A
> full cave or full trimix card is like any other dive cert---it means that on
> a certain day, you passed the standards.  A driver's license, not so
> different from Open Water 1.
>
> Please, folks---be careful out there....
>
> [Barbara J. Dwyer]
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: ba_diving@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ba_diving@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
> Of "Jesus C. Ruiz"
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:13 PM
> To: ba_diving@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ba_diving] [Fwd: Why did 2 divers perish in underwater cave?]
>
>
>
>
>   Why did 2 divers perish in underwater cave?
>
>   By CHRISTINE ARMARIO Associated Press Writer
>
>   Posted: 01/30/2009 09:02:38 PM PST
>
>   http://www.montereyherald.com/search/ci_11595513?IADID=Search-www.monterey
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And if you haven't seen it yet, BAUE has integrated that data into google
maps and also incorporated a lot of dive-site information, photos and
videos.  You can see the lobos version here:

http://www.baue.org/lobos_maps/index.php

We have versions for the rest of monterey and carmel, but they're not quite
done yet.

-Dave

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Chuck Tribolet <triblet@...> wrote:

> There is GREAT 2M resolution bathymetry for just about every place
> interesting in Monterey Bay and points south.  We are REALLY lucky.
>
> See: http://seafloor.csumb.edu/arcims.htm
>
>
>
> Chuck Tribolet
> http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/people/triblet/
>
> Silicon Valley: STILL the best day job in the world.
>
>
> Mike Boom wrote:
> > The press release talks about exploring nooks and crannies
> > underwater, but after trying it out I'd replace that with "mountain
> > ranges and plains." There's no bathymetric detail close to the shores
> > where we like to dive. Here's hoping that Google expands that detail
> > in later versions.
> >
> > It would be even nicer if NASA did the same to the WorldWind program,
> > which goes Google one better in providing topo maps for viewed land,
> > at least in the U.S.
> >
> > Can you imagine viewing complete detailed bathymetric maps with
> > contour lines of all of Monterey and Carmel Bays?
> >
> > Mike Boom
> >
> > P.S. I did discover after turning on the marine layer that Butterfly
> > House dive site is located in the middle of Monterey Bay right over a
> > large submarine canyon. Who knew it required a submarine?
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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You're right about that, Chuck.  "Learner's permit" is more accurate.
Thanks for the distinction!
Barbara




   -----Original Message-----
   From: ba_diving@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ba_diving@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Chuck Tribolet
   Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:51 PM
   To: Bay Area Diving List
   Subject: Re: [ba_diving] [Fwd: Why did 2 divers perish in underwater
cave?]


   A C-card is a learner's permit, not a driver license.

   NET: Seek training and experience. Don't do what you
   aren't trained to do. Listen to the old and young silverbacks.
   This sport can make you dead.

   BTW, it's "Driver License", not "Driver's License".
   Go take yours out of your wallet and look.
   I'm sure there's a DMV lawyer with a multiple-page
   brief on why this is so. I suspect it has something
   to do with the possessive form implying that it's a
   right, not a privilege. But that's what it says
   on the plastic.

   Chuck Tribolet
   http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/people/triblet/

   Silicon Valley: STILL the best day job in the world.

   Barbara J. Dwyer wrote:
   > A
   > full cave or full trimix card is like any other dive cert---it means
that on
   > a certain day, you passed the standards. A driver's license, not so
   > different from Open Water 1.
   >
   > Please, folks---be careful out there....
   >
   > [Barbara J. Dwyer]
   >
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: ba_diving@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ba_diving@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf
   > Of "Jesus C. Ruiz"
   > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:13 PM
   > To: ba_diving@yahoogroups.com
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   >
   >
   >
   >
   > Why did 2 divers perish in underwater cave?
   >
   > By CHRISTINE ARMARIO Associated Press Writer
   >
   > Posted: 01/30/2009 09:02:38 PM PST
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Mike Boom:
No doubt, our fascination with the macabre has on occasion limited our
perspective on on the greater world out there.
But, I can't believe you missed all that information about bathymetric mapping
and its value to us local divers.
Not only has BAUE organized a tourist and diver friendly guide available at the
Lobos website for the greater Lobos area, Guy (in his own compulsive way) has
been running around the Breakwater with a tape measure, a GPS, an astrolabe, a
compass, and a Lonely Planet guide trying to do the same for those that prefer
public beaches. Others have been relying on the data provided by NOAA, the CSUMB
Seafloor Mapping Lab, and the monumental efforts of scientists and others
worldwide for a number of years to plan their dives.
The Cypress Sea runs this data real time on a flat screen for pre-dive
briefings. Marcos used this data to find the Art Riedel. We use it to find
anomalies and areas for interstellar spacecraft landings.
Mikey, get a grip.
Google Mars.
Google underwater.
Google bathymeterics.
Only the very inshore areas are limited at the moment--areas of heavy kelp,
rocks, and breaking surf.
When you can move your arm above your head, go diving.

Ken Gwin
?













http://www.baue.org/lobos_maps/index.php

We have versions for the rest of monterey and carmel, but they're not quite
done yet.

-Dave

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Chuck Tribolet <triblet@...> wrote:

> There is GREAT 2M resolution bathymetry for just about every place
> interesting in Monterey Bay and points south.  We are REALLY lucky.
>
> See: http://seafloor.csumb.edu/arcims.htm
>
>
>
> Chuck Tribolet
> http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/people/triblet/
>
> Silicon Valley: STILL the best day job in the world.
>
>
> Mike Boom wrote:
> > The press release talks about exploring nooks and crannies
> > underwater, but after trying it out I'd replace that with "mountain
> > ranges and plains." There's no bathymetric detail close to the shores
> > where we like to dive. Here's hoping that Google expands that detail
> > in later versions.
> >
> > It would be even nicer if NASA did the same to the WorldWind program,
> > which goes Google one better in providing topo maps for viewed land,
> > at least in the U.S.
> >
> > Can you imagine viewing complete detailed bathymetric maps with
> > contour lines of all of Monterey and Carmel Bays?
> >
> > Mike Boom
> >
> > P.S. I did discover after turning on the marine layer that Butterfly
> > House dive site is located in the middle of Monterey Bay right over a
> > large submarine canyon. Who knew it required a submarine?
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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>
>
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At 08:32 PM 2/3/2009, Ken Gwin wrote:
>But, I can't believe you missed all that information about
>bathymetric mapping and its value to us local divers.

Ah, I've seen them, and they're quite admirable. But I'm lazy.

Yup, we've got a lot of great bathymetric resources that we can click
on and wrestle into submission to show up on our computer screens.
But I have an opium dream of that simple and inclusive Google Earth
interface -- zooming into our own little corner of the universe and
seeing all those glorious underwater contours streaming past our
virtual viewpoint as we move it across Monterey Bay.

A boy can dream, can't he? At least he can as long as he doesn't do
too much opium.

I suspect that as long as that bathymetric data is out there, Google
will sooner or later absorb it, digest it in its amoebic gut, and
spew it out in some future non-beta version of Google Earth.

The lazy divers of the world will rejoice, if we can get up out of our couches.

>When you can move your arm above your head, go diving.

My surgeon says I can put weight on my arm now, so I should be able
to dive in a couple of weeks once I get my strength built up again.
I'm sorry to say that it means the end of all the glorious dive
conditions you've all been enjoying.

Mr. Positive,

Mike Boom

--- In ba_diving@yahoogroups.com, "attofarad" <attofarad@...> wrote:
>>
> 1959 Beech Debonair
>
> http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=LAX01FA014&rpt=fa
>
> http://www.stinsonflyer.com/prop/be33-04.jpg
>
>
> Gary Allman
>

Thanks Gary, I did not know much about the plane.  I thought it was
older but this certainly fills in the details.  The NTSB report seems
very thorough.  Is the second link a picture of the actual aircraft?
The pieces of wreckage I saw bore little resemblance to an airplane,
apparently it looks more modern than I imagined.

Michael P. Murphy

The registration number in the picture is different
from the registration number in the accident report.
Registration numbers do change, but I suspect the
picture is not the same aircraft.

The bathymetry puts the crash site in about 55', which
is consistent with the 57' in the crash report on what
looks like typical shale beds topography.


Chuck Tribolet
http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/people/triblet/

Silicon Valley: STILL the best day job in the world.


seahound1 wrote:
> --- In ba_diving@yahoogroups.com, "attofarad" <attofarad@...> wrote:
>> 1959 Beech Debonair
>>
>> http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=LAX01FA014&rpt=fa
>>
>> http://www.stinsonflyer.com/prop/be33-04.jpg
>>
>>
>> Gary Allman
>>
>
> Thanks Gary, I did not know much about the plane.  I thought it was
> older but this certainly fills in the details.  The NTSB report seems
> very thorough.  Is the second link a picture of the actual aircraft?
> The pieces of wreckage I saw bore little resemblance to an airplane,
> apparently it looks more modern than I imagined.
>
> Michael P. Murphy
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

--- In ba_diving@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Tribolet <triblet@...> wrote:
>
> The registration number in the picture is different
> from the registration number in the accident report.
> Registration numbers do change, but I suspect the
> picture is not the same aircraft.
>
> The bathymetry puts the crash site in about 55', which
> is consistent with the 57' in the crash report on what
> looks like typical shale beds topography.
>
>
> Chuck Tribolet
> http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/people/triblet/


Can't be the same a/c, as it's too deep and the wreckage was
recovered.  This one was found more recently than 2000.

As an aside, I used to fly with a friend of mine in a '60 or '61
Debonair.  It too had the throw-over yoke; I remember because I could
almost never get him to give me the controls, which he'd do in any
other a/c we flew;-)  Really nice a/c, especially compared to the
usual Cessna 150 and 172 beaters he rented.  I can remember flying
over to Half Moon Bay from Oakland staying below the SFO TCA, landing
and walking around Princeton, then flying north off the coast
skimming the sea (well, 50-100'), with the occasional exhilarating
pull-up to 500' to clear a sailboat. Then over the Golden Gate, a
circle around the City to watch the fog creeping over the hills, and
back to Oakland.  Still, my all-time favorite a/c for sightseeing and
touring was the Cessna Cardinal RG.

Guy Alcala

Water your yard and save on gym fees. Give this a try.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/meckleychina/2373081615/

I've been syphoning rinse water all over yard for over 30 years. We have almost
entirely
Monterey natives. There has been enough heavy rain during that time to avoid
salt
buildup.

Wish I could send some of our water south.

Charlie

--- In ba_diving@yahoogroups.com, Nathan Kane <nkane@...> wrote:
>
> Bill Wohler wrote:
> > I bet you can forgo the pumps and use gravity!
>
> Nope, this will need to be pumped. My back yard is sloped up, and the
> top of the hill is about twice the height of my roof which is at the
> bottom of the hill. Or, I need to drag all my gear up the hill and wash
> it there.  :)
>
> Nathan
>

--- In ba_diving@yahoogroups.com, Mike Boom <boom@...> wrote:
>
> At 04:44 PM 2/3/2009, seahound1 wrote:
> >I was taking a newly certified diver and co-worker on
> >his first dives in Monterey Bay.  I was anxious to make his first
> >dives memorable. ...
> >We recovered two bodies. ... Remember this was my buddies
> >first dive since certification.
>
> Man, that's a first-dive story! I can't even imagine going through
> that. Does your friend still dive after that? It's a traumatic
story
> for anyone.
>
> Mike Boom
>

We dove together for many years without further incident or drama.
He has since stopped diving for other reasons.  We still work
together and remain friends.

Michael P. Murphy

Some random items I have for sale after cleaning out the closet:

PADI Tec Deep Instructor Manual - $40 (Great condition, like new)
IP and Magnahelic Combo Gauge - $150 (Great condition, like new)
ScubaPro PDS 2 - $125 (Great condition, like new. It has been in the
water twice. Includes a 9V battery and the instruction manual)
Wreck Diving Jersey Reel w/o line - $20 (used)
Wreck Diving Jersey Reel w/ sisal line - $35 (Brand new)
Dive Float - $50 (Brand new. Never been in the water. Includes an
inner tube and sand screw)
Orca Edge Computer -$100 (Great condition, like new condition even
though it is 20 years old!)
Avant HP Free Diving fins, size 9 ˝ to 10 ˝ - $30 (good condition,
have been used a few times in the pool while teaching)

Photos are here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7569763...7613289611497/

If photos do not come through, please email me and I can send them.

All gear is located in San Francisco.

Todd Baldi

Siphoning works great, as I learned when I bought a fixer upper in the
Oakland hills.  The house had a stream under it, which activated during the
rains.  I just filled up a hose with water, stuck it into the puddle, and
watered the garden.  For a while I'd hoped there was a diveable spring under
there....

I was glad to sell that place.....
Barbara

   -----Original Message-----
   From: ba_diving@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ba_diving@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Charlie Notthoff
   Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:05 PM
   To: ba_diving@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [ba_diving] Re: Yard irrigation with rinse water


   Water your yard and save on gym fees. Give this a try.

   http://www.flickr.com/photos/meckleychina/2373081615/

   I've been syphoning rinse water all over yard for over 30 years. We have
almost entirely
   Monterey natives. There has been enough heavy rain during that time to
avoid salt
   buildup.

   Wish I could send some of our water south.

   Charlie

   --- In ba_diving@yahoogroups.com, Nathan Kane <nkane@...> wrote:
   >
   > Bill Wohler wrote:
   > > I bet you can forgo the pumps and use gravity!
   >
   > Nope, this will need to be pumped. My back yard is sloped up, and the
   > top of the hill is about twice the height of my roof which is at the
   > bottom of the hill. Or, I need to drag all my gear up the hill and wash
   > it there. :)
   >
   > Nathan
   >





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

i rinse everything on my lawn after each dive since 2004, no grass has died
due to salt.

peter

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Barbara J. Dwyer <
montereydivingwoman@...> wrote:

>   Siphoning works great, as I learned when I bought a fixer upper in the
> Oakland hills. The house had a stream under it, which activated during the
> rains. I just filled up a hose with water, stuck it into the puddle, and
> watered the garden. For a while I'd hoped there was a diveable spring under
> there....
>
> I was glad to sell that place.....
> Barbara
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ba_diving@yahoogroups.com <ba_diving%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> ba_diving@yahoogroups.com <ba_diving%40yahoogroups.com>]On
> Behalf Of Charlie Notthoff
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:05 PM
> To: ba_diving@yahoogroups.com <ba_diving%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [ba_diving] Re: Yard irrigation with rinse water
>
> Water your yard and save on gym fees. Give this a try.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/meckleychina/2373081615/
>
> I've been syphoning rinse water all over yard for over 30 years. We have
> almost entirely
> Monterey natives. There has been enough heavy rain during that time to
> avoid salt
> buildup.
>
> Wish I could send some of our water south.
>
> Charlie
>
> --- In ba_diving@yahoogroups.com <ba_diving%40yahoogroups.com>, Nathan
> Kane <nkane@...> wrote:
> >
> > Bill Wohler wrote:
> > > I bet you can forgo the pumps and use gravity!
> >
> > Nope, this will need to be pumped. My back yard is sloped up, and the
> > top of the hill is about twice the height of my roof which is at the
> > bottom of the hill. Or, I need to drag all my gear up the hill and wash
> > it there. :)
> >
> > Nathan
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If anyone can figure a way to kill the Bermuda grass creeping in from the
neighbors, I will wash gear for them here, every Sunday eve!!

Barbara

   -----Original Message-----
   From: ba_diving@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ba_diving@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Peter Mu
   Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:34 PM
   To: hlthcom@...
   Cc: Charlie Notthoff; ba_diving@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [ba_diving] Re: Yard irrigation with rinse water


   i rinse everything on my lawn after each dive since 2004, no grass has
died
   due to salt.

   peter

   On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Barbara J. Dwyer <
   montereydivingwoman@...> wrote:

   > Siphoning works great, as I learned when I bought a fixer upper in the
   > Oakland hills. The house had a stream under it, which activated during
the
   > rains. I just filled up a hose with water, stuck it into the puddle, and
   > watered the garden. For a while I'd hoped there was a diveable spring
under
   > there....
   >
   > I was glad to sell that place.....
   > Barbara
   >
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: ba_diving@yahoogroups.com <ba_diving%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
   > ba_diving@yahoogroups.com <ba_diving%40yahoogroups.com>]On
   > Behalf Of Charlie Notthoff
   > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:05 PM
   > To: ba_diving@yahoogroups.com <ba_diving%40yahoogroups.com>
   > Subject: [ba_diving] Re: Yard irrigation with rinse water
   >
   > Water your yard and save on gym fees. Give this a try.
   >
   > http://www.flickr.com/photos/meckleychina/2373081615/
   >
   > I've been syphoning rinse water all over yard for over 30 years. We have
   > almost entirely
   > Monterey natives. There has been enough heavy rain during that time to
   > avoid salt
   > buildup.
   >
   > Wish I could send some of our water south.
   >
   > Charlie
   >
   > --- In ba_diving@yahoogroups.com <ba_diving%40yahoogroups.com>, Nathan
   > Kane <nkane@...> wrote:
   > >
   > > Bill Wohler wrote:
   > > > I bet you can forgo the pumps and use gravity!
   > >
   > > Nope, this will need to be pumped. My back yard is sloped up, and the
   > > top of the hill is about twice the height of my roof which is at the
   > > bottom of the hill. Or, I need to drag all my gear up the hill and
wash
   > > it there. :)
   > >
   > > Nathan
   > >
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >
   >
   >

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Turflon Ester selectively targets Bermuda Grass. Just be sure to dilute as
directed or you'll damage the rest of your lawn. A little bit goes a long way.
I've never seen it at Orchard Supply or Home Depot. You'll need to special order
it.
http://www.montereylawngarden.com/pdf/turflon_ester_03.pdf

Let me know where I can drop my gear off for rinsing next Sunday.

Now, to keep this post on topic I'll add that I scoop my rinse water out of the
tub and spread it around my garden and I've never witnessed any damage.. The
presence of suit shampoo and occasional Sink-the-Stink has not been a problem.
The only time I did damage the lawn with scuba rinse water was when I dumped the
full rinse tub over on the back patio and the tsunami of water struck the edge
of the lawn full force. Some grass was uprooted and washed inland.

-Brad



--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Barbara J. Dwyer <montereydivingwoman@...> wrote:
From: Barbara J. Dwyer <montereydivingwoman@...>
Subject: RE: [ba_diving] Re: Yard irrigation with rinse water
To: "Peter Mu" <peter.mu@...>
Cc: "Charlie Notthoff" <cnotthoff@...>, ba_diving@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 4:42 PM












             If anyone can figure a way to kill the Bermuda grass creeping in
from the

neighbors, I will wash gear for them here, every Sunday eve!!



Barbara



-----Original Message-----

   From: ba_diving@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:ba_diving@yahoogrou ps.com]On

Behalf Of Peter Mu

   Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:34 PM

   To: hlthcom@earthlink. net

   Cc: Charlie Notthoff; ba_diving@yahoogrou ps.com

   Subject: Re: [ba_diving] Re: Yard irrigation with rinse water



i rinse everything on my lawn after each dive since 2004, no grass has

died

   due to salt.



peter



On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Barbara J. Dwyer <

   montereydivingwoman @earthlink. net> wrote:



> Siphoning works great, as I learned when I bought a fixer upper in the

   > Oakland hills. The house had a stream under it, which activated during

the

   > rains. I just filled up a hose with water, stuck it into the puddle, and

   > watered the garden. For a while I'd hoped there was a diveable spring

under

   > there....

   >

   > I was glad to sell that place.....

   > Barbara

   >

   >

   > -----Original Message-----

   > From: ba_diving@yahoogrou ps.com <ba_diving%40yahoog roups.com> [mailto:

   > ba_diving@yahoogrou ps.com <ba_diving%40yahoog roups.com> ]On

   > Behalf Of Charlie Notthoff

   > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:05 PM

   > To: ba_diving@yahoogrou ps.com <ba_diving%40yahoog roups.com>

   > Subject: [ba_diving] Re: Yard irrigation with rinse water

   >

   > Water your yard and save on gym fees. Give this a try.

   >

   > http://www.flickr. com/photos/ meckleychina/ 2373081615/

   >

   > I've been syphoning rinse water all over yard for over 30 years. We have

   > almost entirely

   > Monterey natives. There has been enough heavy rain during that time to

   > avoid salt

   > buildup.

   >

   > Wish I could send some of our water south.

   >

   > Charlie

   >

   > --- In ba_diving@yahoogrou ps.com <ba_diving%40yahoog roups.com> , Nathan

   > Kane <nkane@...> wrote:

   > >

   > > Bill Wohler wrote:

   > > > I bet you can forgo the pumps and use gravity!

   > >

   > > Nope, this will need to be pumped. My back yard is sloped up, and the

   > > top of the hill is about twice the height of my roof which is at the

   > > bottom of the hill. Or, I need to drag all my gear up the hill and

wash

   > > it there. :)

   > >

   > > Nathan

   > >

   >

   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

   >

   >

   >



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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'd think a lot before I'd use something like this.  A preliminary
web search shows it's very toxic to fish, animals, children, etc.  I
couldn't find how many years it remains toxic (the makers don't tell
you that!), but the only herbicide I know of on the market that
degrades quickly is Round-Up.  Folks, remember that everything we put
on our yards will end up eventually in our oceans from run off.  Each
of us may contribute only a tiny bit, but it's adding up.  I would
think most divers would want to go organic for the love of our oceans.



Turflon Ester selectively targets Bermuda Grass. Just be sure to
dilute as directed or you'll damage the rest of your lawn. A little
bit goes a long way. I've never seen it at Orchard Supply or Home
Depot. You'll need to special order it.
<http://www.montereylawngarden.com/pdf/turflon_ester_03.pdf>http://www.montereyl\
awngarden.com/pdf/turflon_ester_03.pdf

Let me know where I can drop my gear off for rinsing next Sunday.

Now, to keep this post on topic I'll add that I scoop my rinse water
out of the tub and spread it around my garden and I've never
witnessed any damage.. The presence of suit shampoo and occasional
Sink-the-Stink has not been a problem. The only time I did damage the
lawn with scuba rinse water was when I dumped the full rinse tub over
on the back patio and the tsunami of water struck the edge of the
lawn full force. Some grass was uprooted and washed inland.

-Brad

--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Barbara J. Dwyer
<<mailto:montereydivingwoman%40earthlink.net>montereydivingwoman@...>
wrote:
From: Barbara J. Dwyer
<<mailto:montereydivingwoman%40earthlink.net>montereydivingwoman@...>
Subject: RE: [ba_diving] Re: Yard irrigation with rinse water
To: "Peter Mu" <<mailto:peter.mu%40gmail.com>peter.mu@...>
Cc: "Charlie Notthoff"
<<mailto:cnotthoff%40yahoo.com>cnotthoff@...>,
<mailto:ba_diving%40yahoogroups.com>ba_diving@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 4:42 PM

If anyone can figure a way to kill the Bermuda grass creeping in from the

neighbors, I will wash gear for them here, every Sunday eve!!

Barbara



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

No, no, the solution needs to be in the rinse water!!  But thanks for the
tip.

  I will look up the turflon ester but I'm very wary of any herbicide.  My
neighborhood is full of birds, neighborhood animals, worms, bees,
buggies....also the water table is high here.  I grow veggies too, so I
don't want any of that crap near them
   -----Original Message-----
   From: ba_diving@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ba_diving@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Brad Brown
   Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:32 PM
   To: hlthcom@...
   Cc: ba_diving@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: RE: [ba_diving] Re: Yard irrigation with rinse water


   Turflon Ester selectively targets Bermuda Grass. Just be sure to dilute as
directed or you'll damage the rest of your lawn. A little bit goes a long
way. I've never seen it at Orchard Supply or Home Depot. You'll need to
special order it.
   http://www.montereylawngarden.com/pdf/turflon_ester_03.pdf

   Let me know where I can drop my gear off for rinsing next Sunday.

   Now, to keep this post on topic I'll add that I scoop my rinse water out
of the tub and spread it around my garden and I've never witnessed any
damage.. The presence of suit shampoo and occasional Sink-the-Stink has not
been a problem. The only time I did damage the lawn with scuba rinse water
was when I dumped the full rinse tub over on the back patio and the tsunami
of water struck the edge of the lawn full force. Some grass was uprooted and
washed inland.

   -Brad

   --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Barbara J. Dwyer <montereydivingwoman@...>
wrote:
   From: Barbara J. Dwyer <montereydivingwoman@...>
   Subject: RE: [ba_diving] Re: Yard irrigation with rinse water
   To: "Peter Mu" <peter.mu@...>
   Cc: "Charlie Notthoff" <cnotthoff@...>, ba_diving@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 4:42 PM

   If anyone can figure a way to kill the Bermuda grass creeping in from the

   neighbors, I will wash gear for them here, every Sunday eve!!

   Barbara

   -----Original Message-----

   From: ba_diving@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:ba_diving@yahoogrou ps.com]On

   Behalf Of Peter Mu

   Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:34 PM

   To: hlthcom@earthlink. net

   Cc: Charlie Notthoff; ba_diving@yahoogrou ps.com

   Subject: Re: [ba_diving] Re: Yard irrigation with rinse water

   i rinse everything on my lawn after each dive since 2004, no grass has

   died

   due to salt.

   peter

   On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Barbara J. Dwyer <

   montereydivingwoman @earthlink. net> wrote:

   > Siphoning works great, as I learned when I bought a fixer upper in the

   > Oakland hills. The house had a stream under it, which activated during

   the

   > rains. I just filled up a hose with water, stuck it into the puddle, and

   > watered the garden. For a while I'd hoped there was a diveable spring

   under

   > there....

   >

   > I was glad to sell that place.....

   > Barbara

   >

   >

   > -----Original Message-----

   > From: ba_diving@yahoogrou ps.com <ba_diving%40yahoog roups.com> [mailto:

   > ba_diving@yahoogrou ps.com <ba_diving%40yahoog roups.com> ]On

   > Behalf Of Charlie Notthoff

   > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:05 PM

   > To: ba_diving@yahoogrou ps.com <ba_diving%40yahoog roups.com>

   > Subject: [ba_diving] Re: Yard irrigation with rinse water

   >

   > Water your yard and save on gym fees. Give this a try.

   >

   > http://www.flickr. com/photos/ meckleychina/ 2373081615/

   >

   > I've been syphoning rinse water all over yard for over 30 years. We have

   > almost entirely

   > Monterey natives. There has been enough heavy rain during that time to

   > avoid salt

   > buildup.

   >

   > Wish I could send some of our water south.

   >

   > Charlie

   >

   > --- In ba_diving@yahoogrou ps.com <ba_diving%40yahoog roups.com> ,
Nathan

   > Kane <nkane@...> wrote:

   > >

   > > Bill Wohler wrote:

   > > > I bet you can forgo the pumps and use gravity!

   > >

   > > Nope, this will need to be pumped. My back yard is sloped up, and the

   > > top of the hill is about twice the height of my roof which is at the

   > > bottom of the hill. Or, I need to drag all my gear up the hill and

   wash

   > > it there. :)

   > >

   > > Nathan

   > >

   >

   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

   >

   >

   >

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Warning to readers - this post contains no info directly related to diving - 
just yard maintinace and trivia.

The LD50(dose required to kill 50% of rats tested) of concentrated Turflon Ester
ingestion 1.5 gm/Kg. The LD50 of concentrated Round-Up is 5 gm/Kg. 3/4 oz
concentrated Turflon covers 1000 ft2 of lawn after dilution. It takes 20 oz of
concentrated Round-Up to cover the same area. This makes Round-Up 8 times more
toxic per ft2 by my calculations. Round-Up is described as "practically
non-toxic" on it's MSDS (material safety data sheet).

For contrast, table salt LD50 is 3 gm/Kg - in between these two herbicide
concentrates. In terms of acute toxicity, spraying a 1000 ft2 lawn with Turflon
is equivelent to sprinkling the same lawn with 2.5 tablespoons of table salt.
Probably roughly what I deposit after rinsing my dive gear (I dive a neoprene
drysuit so I carry a lot of water home with me).

I love my dog and would certainly keep him inside after spraying. That being
said - my 10 kg dog would need to lick the dilute Turflon off every blade of
grass of my entire freshly sprayed lawn before reaching a 50% chance of death
(assuming my dog's toxiocodynamic profile matches a rat). I only spray where I
see Bermuda encroachment anyway. So far this does not include the back yard -
where my dog roams.

Ounce for concentrated ounce Turflon is probably more toxic to fish and more
persistent than Round-up but given the reduced usage requirement of Turflon
(higher stock concentration) I suspect its a wash. The Turflon MSDS lists
environmental effects on a scale of 1-5 as 1 = slight.
http://www.montereylawngarden.com/pdf/turflon_ester_0904m.pdf

-Brad
(biochemist)




--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Lynn Morton <lynn@...> wrote:

> From: Lynn Morton <lynn@...>
> Subject: RE: [ba_diving] Re: Yard irrigation with rinse water
> To: ba_diving@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 10:07 PM
> I'd think a lot before I'd use something like this.
> A preliminary
> web search shows it's very toxic to fish, animals,
> children, etc.  I
> couldn't find how many years it remains toxic (the
> makers don't tell
> you that!), but the only herbicide I know of on the market
> that
> degrades quickly is Round-Up.  Folks, remember that
> everything we put
> on our yards will end up eventually in our oceans from run
> off.  Each
> of us may contribute only a tiny bit, but it's adding
> up.  I would
> think most divers would want to go organic for the love of
> our oceans.
>
>
>
> Turflon Ester selectively targets Bermuda Grass. Just be
> sure to
> dilute as directed or you'll damage the rest of your
> lawn. A little
> bit goes a long way. I've never seen it at Orchard
> Supply or Home
> Depot. You'll need to special order it.
>
<http://www.montereylawngarden.com/pdf/turflon_ester_03.pdf>http://www.montereyl\
awngarden.com/pdf/turflon_ester_03.pdf
>
> Let me know where I can drop my gear off for rinsing next
> Sunday.
>
> Now, to keep this post on topic I'll add that I scoop
> my rinse water
> out of the tub and spread it around my garden and I've
> never
> witnessed any damage.. The presence of suit shampoo and
> occasional
> Sink-the-Stink has not been a problem. The only time I did
> damage the
> lawn with scuba rinse water was when I dumped the full
> rinse tub over
> on the back patio and the tsunami of water struck the edge
> of the
> lawn full force. Some grass was uprooted and washed inland.
>
> -Brad
>
> --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Barbara J. Dwyer
>
<<mailto:montereydivingwoman%40earthlink.net>montereydivingwoman@...>
>
> wrote:
> From: Barbara J. Dwyer
>
<<mailto:montereydivingwoman%40earthlink.net>montereydivingwoman@...>
> Subject: RE: [ba_diving] Re: Yard irrigation with rinse
> water
> To: "Peter Mu"
> <<mailto:peter.mu%40gmail.com>peter.mu@...>
> Cc: "Charlie Notthoff"
> <<mailto:cnotthoff%40yahoo.com>cnotthoff@...>,
>
> <mailto:ba_diving%40yahoogroups.com>ba_diving@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 4:42 PM
>
> If anyone can figure a way to kill the Bermuda grass
> creeping in from the
>
> neighbors, I will wash gear for them here, every Sunday
> eve!!
>
> Barbara
>
>