--- In ba_diving@egroups.com, Glenn Davis <glenndavis@h...> wrote:
> btw, i haven't seen any ads as yet - is there a 30 day reprieve on
them to
> start?

There's an ad at the bottom for elerts.  Once they figure out that
we are dive-related, we'll probably get dive-focused ads at the
top.

Chuck

And there's a rule of thumb on what a foot means
to the diver at the bottom of
http://www.garlic.com/~triblet/swell/

Chuck Tribolet

chuck - i would be happy to be an alternate moderator and/or keep up the links.

>Egroups allows multiple moderators.  If the posters act like on
>   the old list, there shouldn't be much to moderate.  I can see the
>   following things that should be done by the moderators?
>
>- We need a linkmeister to keep the list of links updated.
>   Alternatively, we can throw it open for public updates.  I have
>   mixed feelings about both approaches.
>
>- I'm inclined to keep the calendar open for public updates.

good idea - try it for a while

>- Presently anyone can view the messages, but you have to subscribe
>   to post.  I'm inclined to keep it this way -- I've seen interesting
>   forums that required me subscribe to see what was inside, and didn't
>   subscribe.

i also second this idea.

btw, i haven't seen any ads as yet - is there a 30 day reprieve on them to
start?
--

Glenn Davis
glenndavis@...

The NOAA forecast you referenced is for Monterey Bay.
The stuff on the WamGlance page is offshore.  There's
always some part of Monterey Bay that's sheltered,
but they don't tell you what part.  Besides, we dive
outside Monterey Bay a lot.

The equivalent NOAA offshore forecast is at
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/wrhq/TotalForecast.csh?TotalForecast+M
onterey+PZ+555

I find the offshore forecasts more useful because you can
figure out what part of the pay will be sheltered.

There's information on how to read the forecasts at
http://www.garlic.com/~triblet/swell/Inet1XMP.html

chuck Tribolet

I agree with Susan, I like to see the club info but do not want to see
commercial messages.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Carter" <Susan.Carter@...>
To: <ba_diving@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 9:19 AM
Subject: RE: [ba_diving] Administrivia


>
>
> I disagree. Non commercial clubs should be differentiated from for-profit
> events. Some people might not subscribe to Ba divingevents because of its
> commercial nature.
>
> Susan
>
> At 09:11 AM 9/29/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >>   - No commercial adverts, but events of special interest are OK.
> >>     For example, a dive shop shouldn't post an announcement of a sale,
> >>     but it's OK for MBDC to post their DIR demo.
> >
> >
> >Chuck, since there is a separate Ba_divingevents, why not have ALL
> >announcements go there?
> >
> >John Lechmanik
> >http://members.home.net/johnhl
> >
> >
> >
> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >ba_diving-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> ba_diving-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>

I think my archives go back into 97, but I don't remember whether I have
anything before that.  It's all at home, and I've seen it recently.  I think
I zipped them by year.  I just saved them as text files.  I'll take a look
later.  I remember the 40 thieves story.

<< Also, we get archives for free.  I've got everything since
  sometime in 1998 we can prime it with.  Is there anybody
  who has any earlier stuff squirreled away? (and I know
  BabaSCUBA would love to have a copy of the story of
  BabaSCUBA and the 40 Thieves (he didn't keep a copy).
   >>

Mike Lanahan

I disagree. Non commercial clubs should be differentiated from for-profit
events. Some people might not subscribe to Ba divingevents because of its
commercial nature.

Susan

At 09:11 AM 9/29/00 -0700, you wrote:
>>   - No commercial adverts, but events of special interest are OK.
>>     For example, a dive shop shouldn't post an announcement of a sale,
>>     but it's OK for MBDC to post their DIR demo.
>
>
>Chuck, since there is a separate Ba_divingevents, why not have ALL
>announcements go there?
>
>John Lechmanik
>http://members.home.net/johnhl
>
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>ba_diving-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>

>   - No commercial adverts, but events of special interest are OK.
>     For example, a dive shop shouldn't post an announcement of a sale,
>     but it's OK for MBDC to post their DIR demo.


Chuck, since there is a separate Ba_divingevents, why not have ALL
announcements go there?

John Lechmanik
http://members.home.net/johnhl

Hello-

I'm new to bay area diving and I'm planning to start doing some shore
diving in Monterey, but I'm having trouble correlating the wave height
forecasts from this page:

http://www.garlic.com/%7Etriblet/swell/wamglance.html

and the weather forecasts from NOAA:

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/wrhq/TotalForecast.csh?TotalForecast+Monterey+PZ\
+535

to *actual* conditions at the dive sites.

For example, for saturday the wave height forecasts seem to suggest
something on the order of 6' or higher, while the NOAA forecasts
specifically say 2-4'.  For shore diving I would normally consider the
first one to be a bit high and the second to be manageable, but I don't
know how these two numbers even relate to the various dive sites, which
are often at least somewhat protected.

Has anyone worked out a rule of thumb for using these forecasts to
determine in advance whether it's safe to dive in Monterey?  I am
confident I will know if it's safe when I see it, but I'd like to
avoid the drive if it's not likely to be safe.

Also, along those lines, which sites (besides the Breakwater) are some of
the more protected shore dive sites in Monterey/Carmel?

Lanier

For those of you getting tired of all the individual "Hello" messages :-)
You can go to http://www.egroups.com/  join as a member, then you can
control things about how the messages come.  There is a daily digest
version.

John Lechmanik
http://members.home.net/johnhl

Chuck,
Just a reminder to those that want to advertise their classes, events, sales,
etc. that is why the other ba_divingevents list was created. It is used by
several instructors, boats, etc. to list their activities.

Gene B.

We now have pledges up to $70.

To those who volunteered, I'll be in touch tonight.

It will probably take a week or two for the adverts to actually
disappear.  I have to mail them a check.

Chuck

- We are up to 51 members.  I think there were about 600 on the old
   list, so we have a long way to go yet, but it's a start.  Because
   you can lurk this list via the web without actually joining, I
   suspect we won't get up to the old number.

- Adverts.  We are up to $50 in pledges to kill the adverts.  We just
   need one more $10 pledge.

- If you are posting via the web, note that you need to press "Send
   message" on two different pages.

- Egroups allows multiple moderators.  If the posters act like on
   the old list, there shouldn't be much to moderate.  I can see the
   following things that should be done by the moderators?

   - Making a backup of the subscriber list occasionally (once a month)
     (this is a few mouse clicks).

   - Unsubscribing folks whose mail is bouncing.

   - Removing anything that gets grossly off topic.  This is a rare
     occurrence, and should not be done lightly, though I'm a bit
     tempted by all the "Hello" posts.

   I think we should have about four people with moderator authority.
   Any volunteers (I have one already besides myself).

- We need a linkmeister to keep the list of links updated.
   Alternatively, we can throw it open for public updates.  I have
   mixed feelings about both approaches.

- I'm inclined to keep the calendar open for public updates.

- Presently anyone can view the messages, but you have to subscribe
   to post.  I'm inclined to keep it this way -- I've seen interesting
   forums that required me subscribe to see what was inside, and didn't
   subscribe.

- We need a charter - a basic set of rules.  My take:

   - Keep it broadly on topic: Northern California Diving.  There are
     two parts to that: "Northern California" and "Diving".

   - No commercial adverts, but events of special interest are OK.
     For example, a dive shop shouldn't post an announcement of a sale,
     but it's OK for MBDC to post their DIR demo.

   - It's OK for dive clubs to post trips and meetings.

   - No inline binaries.  If you want to post your cute fish pictures,
     put them on a website and post the URL.

   - HTML is OK in posts.  If you don't like it, you can turn it off
     in your egroups profile and egroups will send you plain text.

   - No flaming.  Keep it polite.  But if you think some is wrong,
     speak up, esp. if it's safety-related.  It's OK to disagree,
     but don't be disagreeable.  It's wrong to say some is full of
     crap, even if they are.  My rule of thumb is "would I say this
     to the stranger sitting on the barstool next to me?"

   - We are limited to 20M in the files section.  I want to use a
     fair piece of it to post the archives from the old site.  I have
     everything since sometime in 1998 and I suspect it will run
     10-15M.  So no cute fish pictures
     there either, though if you get really stuck and need something
     IDed, I guess it would be OK to put it there for a short time.

   - By and by, we need a FAQ.  The Database section has a skeleton
     that allows different people to own the different questions.
     This would be a good way to do it.  But this can keep a little
     while.

   - When you post a URL in a message, please include the http://
     on the front.  Some e-mailers won't recognize it as a URL
     unless you do.

All of the above is my own opinion.  If you disagree, speak up and
we can debate it.
--
Chuck Tribolet
triblet@...
http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/people/triblet

Silicon Valley: Best day job in the world.

Please pass this along to your dive clubs.  I've sent it
to NCUPS and Diving Singles.

The ba_diving list is an e-mail list for discussing
Northern California ("Bay Area") diving.  It was running on
a list server at best.com.  Best.com was bought by
verio.com.  The list server at best had a hard dive crash
and there was no backup (DUH).  That meant there was no
more list server, and even the list of subscribers was lost.

To fill the void, I created a new group,
ba_diving@egroups.com.  Egroups is a free listserver, run
by Yahoo, with a decent user interface.  For now, we have
to put up with a little advertising, but we can make that
go away for $60/year.  We are taking up a collection, and
have pledges for $40 the first night, so the advertising
will be gone shortly.

I was able to send e-mails about this directly to everyone
who had posted this year (I'm a pack rat and had saved all
the posts), but we have no way of contacting the lurkers
(those who read and don't post) directly.  So if you are a
lurker, you need to sign up again.  Just go to
http://www.egroups.com/group/ba_diving

Egroups says they won't sell your e-mail address, and they
have a nifty scheme that hides e-mail addresses so the spam
harvesters can't see them, but you can still send e-mail
direct to people.

You can sign up to get postings immediately as they occur,
as a daily digest, or by going to
http://www.egroups.com/group/ba_diving to look at them.
There are a number of other useful features at egroups:

In the first 12 hours, we have about 40 of the ba_diving
regulars already signed up.

- We have a place to put links to other websites.  I've
   populated this with a few links.

- We have a place to upload files of general interest.

- We have a place for a FAQ.

- We have a calendar where we can put both diving events
   and the events that fill Monterey with nondivers, which
   are usually a good weekend to go do something else.

- Archives

NCUPS has been running a general membership and a board of
directors list at egroups for some time, and it has worked
well.  I think this will work out to be a better list than
at best, which was running some really antiquated software.



--
Chuck Tribolet
Internet: triblet@...
http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/people/triblet

Silicon Valley: Best day job in the world.

Hello everyone,

Welcome.  Make yourself comfortable.  I brought a few items to
christen the board...

Bagels - that Monterey Express may never know hunger.
Salt - that the sea may always have flavor.
Wine - that joy and narcosis may reign forever.

Hope everyone finds the board OK, especially BABA!

Happy Diving,
Erika

Thank you for taking the initive Chuck.

Chris Grossman

Notice there is also a calendar function.  I've added the AT&T Pro-Am
golf tournament (January 29th to February 4th, 2001) as a test of
this function.  If people like this idea, I'll add other events such
as this that have a dramatic impact on traffic and lodging in the
Monterey/Carmel area.  Other ones that divers may want to be aware of
are the Historic Car races (usually in August), the CART cars at
Laguna Seca (September), and the Monterey Jazz Festival,
(September).  I'll add these once the 2001 dates are announced.

Steve Barnes

Also, I can flip a switch to disallow attachments.  I
haven't done that, and won't unless I need to, because some
of the freebie mail systems seem to generate the TEXT as an
attachment.

--
Chuck Tribolet
Internet: triblet@...
http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/people/triblet

Silicon Valley: Best day job in the world.

This is no problem anymore.  Just go to your member profile page
(myegroups) and select Text only.  Voilą!  No more html or any other
garbage, no matter what the author of the message has sent to the
list.  Another advantage to egroups.

Cheers!

cbenson@... wrote:

>maybe
>this way also it's a way to "get into the new century" with the MIME
>type issues we were having before with people on the digest version.
--
Paul Braunbehrens mailto:Bakalite@...
http://www.daw-mac.com Mailing list for digital audio on the mac

Say Chuck,

   I wanted to say thanks for the quick action to set this up.. maybe
this way also it's a way to "get into the new century" with the MIME
type issues we were having before with people on the digest version.

Thanks,

-Chris Benson
RTP, NC

Wow this is exciting a crash and everything.  Just thought I would
through out a post to say hello and hope to see ya'll in the water
sometime soon.

Thanks to chuck for setting all this up.


Kindest Regards,

Ted Norton
ICQ:8974772
805 528-5423
http://users.digitalputty.com/tnorton

>Can we
>get a link up on the Ba_diving site to direct everyone to this list?


We need to track down Kyle.
--
Paul Braunbehrens mailto:Bakalite@...
http://www.daw-mac.com Mailing list for digital audio on the mac

Test mail from Leonard

are we back in business?

Leonard

Well, now we begin the list again!!  Thanks for the effort Chuck!!

Darren Lovecchio, EMT-P, DMT-A, NAUI instr., owner
DiveMed: Your Medical/Technical Dive Pro's
225 Lighthouse Ave. Suite D
Monterey CA 93940
(831)596-2760
www.divemed-tech.com
darren@...

I'd like to get my hands on that hard drive for some data recovery. Can we
get a link up on the Ba_diving site to direct everyone to this list?
Good job Chuck for getting us back in action so fast, how much is egroups
paying you ( just joking ).

BTW I got my new Scubapro Mk20 with R380 last week DIN, to fit my HP 100's

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Tribolet [mailto:triblet@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 6:13 PM
To: ba_diving@egroups.com
Subject: [ba_diving] Re: FW: Hello

--- In ba_diving@egroups.com, Roy Dumlao <roy@b...> wrote:
> There is a no advertisement feature that I think we should use 
otherwise
> the egroups marketing people go bananas and attach all kinds of
ads.

The advertising isn't too bad.  NCUPS has two groups here that
I'm on, and I've learned to tune them out.  As I remember,
an ad-free group is about $35 a month.  This group has no
dues, no treasure, no headaches.  But do you know where the info
on ad-free groups is?

Chuck Tribolet


To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
ba_diving-unsubscribe@egroups.com

They say as you get older there are three things that
go.  The first is the memory, and, uh, I can't remember
the other two.  ;-)

Turns out it's about $60/year to be ad-free.  Let's put up with the
ads while we settle in, and the decide what we want to do.  We
can probably raise the $60.

--- In ba_diving@egroups.com, "Chuck Tribolet" <triblet@g...> wrote:
> --- In ba_diving@egroups.com, Roy Dumlao <roy@b...> wrote:
> > There is a no advertisement feature that I think we should use
> otherwise
> > the egroups marketing people go bananas and attach all kinds of
> ads.
>
> The advertising isn't too bad.  NCUPS has two groups here that
> I'm on, and I've learned to tune them out.  As I remember,
> an ad-free group is about $35 a month.  This group has no
> dues, no treasure, no headaches.  But do you know where the info
> on ad-free groups is?
>
> Chuck Tribolet

--- In ba_diving@egroups.com, Roy Dumlao <roy@b...> wrote:
> There is a no advertisement feature that I think we should use
otherwise
> the egroups marketing people go bananas and attach all kinds of
ads.

The advertising isn't too bad.  NCUPS has two groups here that
I'm on, and I've learned to tune them out.  As I remember,
an ad-free group is about $35 a month.  This group has no
dues, no treasure, no headaches.  But do you know where the info
on ad-free groups is?

Chuck Tribolet