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Re: Dealing with Police

Well, there's always the blog or a Facebook page.


--- In attackthesystem@yahoogroups.com, Peter BJørn Perlsø <peter@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Flavio, thank you for posting this. I've thought of posting things
> like this earlier, but mostly been held back over concerns of how it may
> be interpreted, and I don't want to give the list a bad rep or
> something. Yet, information lik this is getting more and more important
> to know, since the state and its police forces intrude more in our
> everyday lives for reasons of progressively smaller purported
> infractions that are essentially normal human conduct of the past, or
> even today, that we are approaching the state of things where you cant
> live without being an outlaw in the eyes of the government and its agents.
>
> Speaking of which, Keith and Jeremy, is there a plan B in case Yahoo
> decides to shut down this mailing list?
>
> - p
>
>
> Flávio Gonçalves wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~ *THE TALKING DRUM COLLECTIVE (TTDC) NEWSLETTER*~
> > Donate to the TTDC <http://www.thedrum.org/donate.html>
> > _____________________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > */Dealing with Police/*
> >
> > In General
> > When dealing with the police, keep your hands in view and don't make
> > sudden movements. Avoid passing behind them. Nervous cops are
> > dangerous cops. Also, never touch the police or their equipment
> > (vehicles, flashlights, animals, etc.) - you can get beat up and
> > charged with assault.
> >
> > The police do not decide your charges; they can only make
> > recommendations. The prosecutor is the only person who can actually
> > charge you. Remember this the next time the cops start rattling off
> > all the charges they're supposedly "going to give you."
> >
> > Questioning
> > Interrogation isn't always bright lights and rubber hoses - usually
> > it's just a conversation. Whenever the cops ask you anything besides
> > your name and address, it's legally safest to say these Magic Words:
> >
> > /*"I am going to remain silent. I want to see a lawyer."*/
> >
> > This invokes the rights which protect you from interrogation. When you
> > say this, the cops (and all other law enforcement officials) are
> > legally required to stop asking you questions. They probably won't
> > stop, so just repeat the Magic Words or remain silent until they catch on.
> >
> > Remember, anything you say to the authorities can and will be used
> > against you and your friends in court. There's no way to predict what
> > information the police might try to use or how they'd use it. Plus,
> > the police often misquote or lie altogether about what was said. So
> > say only the Magic Words and let all the cops and witnesses know that
> > this is your policy. Make sure that when you're arrested with other
> > people, the rest of the group knows the Magic Words and promises to
> > use them.
> >
> > One of the jobs of cops is to get information out of people, and they
> > usually don't have any scruples about how they do it. Cops are legally
> > allowed to lie when they're investigating, and they are trained to be
> > manipulative. The only thing you should say to cops, other than
> > identifying yourself, is the Magic Words: "I am going to remain
> > silent. I want to see a lawyer."
> >
> > Here are some lies they will tell you:
> >
> > * "You're not a suspect - just help us understand what happened
> > here and then you can go."
> > * "If you don't answer my questions, I'll have no choice but to
> > arrest you. Do you want to go to jail?"
> > * "If you don't answer my questions, I'm going to charge you with
> > resisting arrest."
> > * "All of your friends have cooperated and we let them go home.
> > You're the only one left."
> >
> > Cops are sneaky buggers and there are lots of ways they can trick you
> > into talking. Here are some scams they'll pull:
> >
> > * Good Cop/ Bad Cop: Bad cop is aggressive and menacing, while
> > good cop is nice, friendly, and familiar (usually good cop is
> > the same race and gender as you). The idea is bad cop scares you
> > so bad you are desperately looking for a friend. Good cop is
> > that friend.
> > * The cops will tell you that your friends ratted on you so that
> > you will snitch on them. Meanwhile, they tell your friends the
> > same thing. If anyone breaks and talks, you all go down.
> > * The cops will tell you that they have all the evidence they need
> > to convict you and that if you "take responsibility" and confess
> > the judge will be impressed by your honesty and go easy on you.
> > What they really mean is: "we don't have enough evidence yet,
> > please confess."
> >
> >
> > Jail is a very isolating and intimidating place. It is really easy to
> > believe what the cops tell you. Insist upon speaking with a lawyer
> > before you answer any questions or sign anything.
> >
> > /*The Golden Rule: Never trust a cop.*/
> >
> > The Miranda Warnings
> > The police do not have to read you your rights (also known as the
> > Miranda warnings). Miranda applies when there is (a) an interrogation
> > (b) by a police officer of other agent of law enforcement (c) while
> > the suspect is in police custody (you do not have to be formally
> > arrested to be "in custody"). Even when all these conditions are met,
> > the police intentionally violate Miranda. And though your rights have
> > been violated, what you say can be used against you. For this reason,
> > it is better not to wait for the cops â€" you know what your rights
> > are, so you can invoke them by saying the Magic Words, "I am going to
> > remain silent. I want to see a lawyer."
> >
> > If you've been arrested and realize that you have started answering
> > questions, don't panic. Just re-invoke your rights by saying the Magic
> > Words again. Don't let them trick you into thinking that because you
> > answered some of their questions, you have to answer all of them.
> >
> > Police Encounters
> > There are three basic types of encounters with the police:
> > Conversation, Detention, and Arrest.
> >
> > Conversation:
> > When the cops are trying to get information, but don't have enough
> > evidence to detain or arrest you, they'll try to weasel some
> > information out of you. They may call this a "casual encounter" or a
> > "friendly conversation". If you talk to them, you may give them the
> > information they need to arrest you or your friends. In most
> > situations, it's better and safer not to talk to cops.
> >
> > Detention:
> > Police can detain you only if they have reasonable suspicion (see
> > below) that you are involved in a crime. Detention means that, though
> > you aren't arrested, you can't leave. Detention is supposed to last a
> > short time and they aren't supposed to move you. During detention, the
> > police can pat you down and go into your bag to make sure you don't
> > have any weapons. They aren't supposed to go into your pockets unless
> > they feel a weapon.
> >
> > If the police are asking questions, ask if you are being detained. If
> > not, leave and say nothing else to them. If you are being detained,
> > you may want to ask why. Then you should say the Magic Words: "I am
> > going to remain silent. I want a lawyer" and nothing else.
> >
> > A detention can easily turn into arrest. If the police are detaining
> > you and they get information that you are involved in a crime, they
> > will arrest you, even if it has nothing to do with your detention. For
> > example, if someone gets pulled over for speeding (detained) and the
> > cop sees drugs in the car, the cops will arrest her for possession of
> > the drugs even though it has nothing to do with her getting pulled
> > over. Cops have two reasons to detain you: 1) they are writing you a
> > citation (a traffic ticket, for example), or 2) they want to arrest
> > you but they don't have enough information yet to do so.
> >
> > Arrest:
> > Police can arrest you only if they have probable cause (see below)
> > that you are involved in a crime. When you are arrested, the cops can
> > search you to the skin and go through you car and any belongings. By
> > law, an officer strip searching you must be the same gender as you.
> >
> > If the police come to your door with an arrest warrant, go outside and
> > lock the door behind you. Cops are allowed to search any room you go
> > into, so don't go back into the house for any reason. If they have an
> > arrest warrant, hiding won't help because they are allowed to force
> > their way in if they know you are there. It's usually better to just
> > go with them without giving them an opportunity to search.
> >
> > Reasonable Suspicion vs. Probable Cause
> > Reasonable suspicion must be based on more than a hunch - cops must be
> > able to put their suspicion into words. For example, cops can't just
> > stop someone and say, "She looked like she was up to something." They
> > need to be more specific, like, "She was standing under the overpass
> > staring up at some graffiti that hadn't been there 2 hours ago. She
> > had the same graffiti pattern written on her backpack. I suspected
> > that she had put up the graffiti."
> >
> > Cops need more proof to say they have a probable cause than to say
> > they have a reasonable suspicion. For example, "A store owner called
> > to report someone matching her description tagging a wall across the
> > street. As I drove up to the store, I saw her running away spattered
> > with paint and carrying a spray can in her hand."
> >
> > Searches
> > Never consent to a search! If the police try to search your house,
> > car, backpack, pockets, etc. say the Magic Words 2: "I do not consent
> > to this search." This may not stop them from forcing their way in and
> > searching anyway, but if they search you illegally, they probably
> > won't be able to use the evidence against you in court. You have
> > nothing to lose from refusing to consent to a search and lots to gain.
> > Do not physically resist cops when they are trying to search because
> > you could get hurt and charged with resisting arrest or assault. Just
> > keep repeating the Magic Words 2 so that the cops and all witnesses
> > know that this is your policy.
> >
> > Be careful about casual consent. That is, if you are stopped by the
> > cops and you get out of the car but don't close the door, they can
> > search the car and claim that they though you were indicating consent
> > by leaving the door ajar. Also, if you say, "I'd rather you didn't
> > search," they can claim that you were reluctantly giving them
> > permission to search. Always just say the Magic Words 2: "I do not
> > consent to this search."
> >
> > If the cops have a search warrant, nothing changes - it's legally
> > safest to just say the Magic Words 2. Again, you have nothing to lose
> > from refusing to consent to a search, and lots to gain if the search
> > warrant is incorrect or invalid in some way. If they do have a search
> > warrant, ask to read it. A valid warrant must have a recent date
> > (usually not more than a couple of weeks), the correct address, and a
> > judge's or magistrate's signature; some warrants indicate the time of
> > day the cops can search. You should say the Magic Words 2 whether or
> > not the search warrant appears correct. The same goes for any
> > government official who tries to search you, your belongings, or your
> > house.
> >
> > Infiltrators and Informants
> > Undercover cops sometimes infiltrate political organizations. They can
> > lie about being cops even if asked directly. Undercover cops can even
> > break the law (narcs get hazard pay for doing drugs as part of their
> > cover) and encourage others to do so as well. This is not legally
> > entrapment.
> >
> > FBI and other government agents
> > The essence of the Magic Words "I'm keeping my mouth shut until I talk
> > to a lawyer" not only applies to police but also to the FBI, INS, CIA,
> > even IRS. If you want to be nice and polite, tell them that you don't
> > wish to speak with them until you've spoken with your lawyer, or that
> > you won't answer questions without a lawyer present. If you are being
> > investigated as a result of your political activity, you can call the
> > National Lawyers Guild at (415) 582-1055; they will help you find a
> > lawyer you can talk to.
> >
> > Taking Notes
> > Whenever you interact with or observe the police, always write down
> > what is said and who said it. Write down the cops' names and badge
> > numbers and the names and contact information of any witnesses. Record
> > everything that happens. If you are expecting a lot of police contact,
> > get in the habit of carrying a small tape recorder and a camera with
> > you. Be careful - cops don't like people taking notes, especially if
> > the cops are planning on doing something illegal. Observing them and
> > documenting their actions may have very different results; for
> > example, it may cause them to respond aggressively, or it may prevent
> > them from abusing you or your friends.
> >
> > Conclusion
> > People deal with police in all kinds of circumstances. You must make
> > an individual decision about how you will interact with law
> > enforcement. It is important to know your legal rights, but it is also
> > important for you to decide when and how to use them in order to best
> > protect yourself.
> >
> > Taken From:
> >
> > http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/showthread.php?t=13774
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> regards, Peter Bjørn Perlsø
> +45 2685 5909
> http://titancity.com
>





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Hello Flavio, thank you for posting this. I've thought of posting things like this earlier, but mostly been held back over concerns of how it may be...
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Well, there's always the blog or a Facebook page....
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