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#1295

From: Joyce Melcar Tan <moremilke@...>
Date: Sat Mar 1, 2008 6:36 pm
Subject: Re: Thesis Topic

hi jeno,

i'm not sure pa if i'm going through with my current topic, but the one i submitted for last sem's (thesis 1) finals is similar to yours on aut dedere.. :-o what's your scope, just to be sure we don't overlap? :)

. J o y c e .

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Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2008 2:22:03 PM
Subject: [ateneolaw2009] Thesis Topic

Aut Dedere Aut Judicare: Retesting the Bounds of the Duty to Prosecute and Extradite for the Commission of International Core Crimes

"Have faith, that the God who placed this desire in your heart, will not disappoint."

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#1296

From: Rafael Calinisan <rafael_calinisan@...>
Date: Sat Mar 1, 2008 6:58 pm
Subject: Paumanhin at Salamat, Ateneo.

rafael_calin...

I would like to apologize to Ms. Ona Caritos, the Human Rights Family and to any Atenean that I may have offended yesterday during the Interfaith Rally..

The night prior to the rally, Ms. Caritos, 6 HR Interns and I were in a meeting to discuss logistical matters. In that meeting, I disclosed to them that the LSGCC, the newly formed coordinating body of the student councils of Ateneo, UP, UST, UE and FEU-La Salle, of which I am the sitting chair, was invited to speak during the rally for 3 minutes on stage. To my surprise, Ms. Caritos and the 6 HR Interns strongly requested me neither to speak nor be on stage with the other law school presidents when the LSGCC is called.

This is because �Busina�, the group mobilizing the Ateneo Community for the interfaith rally is not calling for resignation but only for truth, accountability and reform. Since I was already associated with the resign calls of GMA, even if I still am calling for truth, accountability and reform, they reasoned that my actions there might be construed to mean that the whole Ateneo Community is calling for resignation as well. Furthermore, the HR Interns who went room to room to invite people to the rally had already made it clear to the students and assured them that while there might be other groups calling for resignation in the rally, �Busina� and the Ateneo contingent, whom they will be joining, are not for resignation.

Ideas were exchanged, followed by a one on one talk between Ms. Caritos and me. After which, I gave them my word that I will not speak during the rally. Mabigat. Kasi ako ang pinagkatiwalaan ng 4 pang Student Councils to serve as their leader. Mabigat kasi that move would weaken or destroy the moral of that organization, and at the same time it might put Ateneo law in a bad light in the eyes of the other law schools. Mabigat since I was wearing two hats and had two opposing responsibilities. It was hard to explain where I was coming from. But for the Ateneo Community, I agreed.

Previously, the student councils in each of the schools above mentioned took the position that GMA should resign. The Ateneo Law SC also agreed to take the same position, alongside the call for truth, accountability and reform. The LSGCC as the coordinating body of the law schools took the same position which includes the call for truth, accountability and reform. That was made clear each time the SC presidents were asked to comment in the media.

The only time all the presidents were free for a meeting was moments before the rally itself, backstage. It was then that I informed them that I will not speak on stage. Understandably, they all got angry at me, since they cannot comprehend where I was coming from - that for the sake of the Ateneo Community, I chose to keep quiet for that day. They honestly did not expect that from me. I felt then that the good name of the Ateneo and the relationship that we have established with the other law schools was put in question. In their eyes, the chair of the LSGCC should be one with the other law school presidents. That malabo si Ateneo. That I chickened out, of all people.

I was called names in that meeting. Pero ok na lang. Ang dami nilang ipinakiusap, but I still did not agree, keeping in mind that I gave my word to Ms. Caritos and to the 6 others in the LSAC to keep silent. Ang huling pakiusap ng mga presidente was for me to just introduce the group, and then keep quiet and they will do the talking. Content neutral. Pangit kasi kung kulang. At yung chair pa yung wala. Still, I did not agree. It was then the LSGCC was called on stage. Our names were called one by one by the emcee. All the presidents went up the stairs to the stage. I stayed in the steps.. I DID NOT GO ON STAGE. I decided to just watch from the staircase.

Obviously, I did not introduce the group. UST did. Naiba yung flow. All four presidents talked on stage and already said everything that needs to be communicated. Ubos na ang mga dapat sabihin and the 3 minutes already lapsed. Tapos na dapat. It was then when UP mentioned my name again on stage and asked me to go up front and speak. I waved them off. UST and UE called my name again. And by that time everyone, those on stage and those around me, were already looking at me with questioning stares. The organizer beside me then asked me �bakit di ka pa umakyat�? Dead air. And yes, that was when I went up front. I said that the Ateneo is for truth, accountability and reform. And I chanted the group�s name. And said thank you.

I am issuing this email even if the regular Ateneo student probably does not know about this incident because I feel bad about this matter. I feel bad not because nanindigan ako, but because I felt that I might have inadvertently offended the sensibilities of some, especially Ona and the HR - People that matter. Ona, those who have worked with me, and those closest to me know that I operate on one word: TRUST. I expect that from the people I deal with, for they know my word can be trusted. Sorry to those whom I may have offended. I did not betray you. I am sorry Ona for unintentionally hurting you. I truly understand where you are coming from. Sana naiintindihan mo din ang sitwasyon ko. No excuses though. I take full responsibility. I sincerely apologize for that. Ako po ang nagkamali.

On another note, it was a dream of mine even years back for the Ateneo to take a position and an active role on matters of national significance. Not just to be confined to books or personal concerns. Not just to sit on the fence. But to be aware and to be responsive to the call of the times. To tread the straight, narrow and lonely path if need be. Na manindigan naman. To change the perspective of those around us: that we simply choose to be quiet or choose what�s convenient.

In my conscience I can say to each and every Atenean that I tried to be a good leader to all. To follow the right processes in each of my dealings. To do what is right, even if unpopular. Demokratiko kami sa SC. Sometimes even to a fault.

I know I have my misgivings too, both in my personal and SC life. But please do not shoot the messenger. I just wish that we go beyond ourselves, our interests, and see also the reality outside the walls of Rockwell. I have lent my voice, hoping to inspire the youth, to the point that I have already forgotten to some extent my duties as a student. That is how much I believe in this issue. Nanindigan na ako. Tayo ang mga ate at kuya ng kabataan ngayon. Sana magtulungan na lang tayo lahat. Magkakampi naman talaga tayong lahat kung iisipin ninyo.

Salamat sa pagkakataong maglingkod.

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#1297

From: "Alberto Pamintuan" <bertspamintuan@...>
Date: Sat Mar 1, 2008 7:14 pm
Subject: Re: Paumanhin at Salamat, Ateneo.

as one blogger put it:
"A prayer rally? "Dear Lord, oh God, Give me a true Opposition not these hypocrites, not these trapos, not these crooks. Not these schnooks who think they're patriots. Amen".

It was also said during the "room-to-room" that the rally wasn't supposed to be personality based. Why were there politicos on stage?? Why the hell was ERAP on stage???

On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 2:58 AM, Rafael Calinisan <rafael_calinisan@...> wrote:

I would like to apologize to Ms. Ona Caritos, the Human Rights Family and to any Atenean that I may have offended yesterday during the Interfaith Rally..

The night prior to the rally, Ms. Caritos, 6 HR Interns and I were in a meeting to discuss logistical matters. In that meeting, I disclosed to them that the LSGCC, the newly formed coordinating body of the student councils of Ateneo, UP, UST, UE and FEU-La Salle, of which I am the sitting chair, was invited to speak during the rally for 3 minutes on stage. To my surprise, Ms. Caritos and the 6 HR Interns strongly requested me neither to speak nor be on stage with the other law school presidents when the LSGCC is called.

This is because "Busina", the group mobilizing the Ateneo Community for the interfaith rally is not calling for resignation but only for truth, accountability and reform. Since I was already associated with the resign calls of GMA, even if I still am calling for truth, accountability and reform, they reasoned that my actions there might be construed to mean that the whole Ateneo Community is calling for resignation as well. Furthermore, the HR Interns who went room to room to invite people to the rally had already made it clear to the students and assured them that while there might be other groups calling for resignation in the rally, "Busina" and the Ateneo contingent, whom they will be joining, are not for resignation.

Ideas were exchanged, followed by a one on one talk between Ms. Caritos and me. After which, I gave them my word that I will not speak during the rally. Mabigat. Kasi ako ang pinagkatiwalaan ng 4 pang Student Councils to serve as their leader. Mabigat kasi that move would weaken or destroy the moral of that organization, and at the same time it might put Ateneo law in a bad light in the eyes of the other law schools. Mabigat since I was wearing two hats and had two opposing responsibilities. It was hard to explain where I was coming from. But for the Ateneo Community, I agreed.

Previously, the student councils in each of the schools above mentioned took the position that GMA should resign. The Ateneo Law SC also agreed to take the same position, alongside the call for truth, accountability and reform. The LSGCC as the coordinating body of the law schools took the same position which includes the call for truth, accountability and reform. That was made clear each time the SC presidents were asked to comment in the media.

The only time all the presidents were free for a meeting was moments before the rally itself, backstage. It was then that I informed them that I will not speak on stage. Understandably, they all got angry at me, since they cannot comprehend where I was coming from - that for the sake of the Ateneo Community, I chose to keep quiet for that day. They honestly did not expect that from me. I felt then that the good name of the Ateneo and the relationship that we have established with the other law schools was put in question. In their eyes, the chair of the LSGCC should be one with the other law school presidents. That malabo si Ateneo. That I chickened out, of all people.

I was called names in that meeting. Pero ok na lang. Ang dami nilang ipinakiusap, but I still did not agree, keeping in mind that I gave my word to Ms. Caritos and to the 6 others in the LSAC to keep silent. Ang huling pakiusap ng mga presidente was for me to just introduce the group, and then keep quiet and they will do the talking. Content neutral. Pangit kasi kung kulang. At yung chair pa yung wala. Still, I did not agree. It was then the LSGCC was called on stage. Our names were called one by one by the emcee. All the presidents went up the stairs to the stage. I stayed in the steps.. I DID NOT GO ON STAGE. I decided to just watch from the staircase.

Obviously, I did not introduce the group. UST did. Naiba yung flow. All four presidents talked on stage and already said everything that needs to be communicated. Ubos na ang mga dapat sabihin and the 3 minutes already lapsed. Tapos na dapat. It was then when UP mentioned my name again on stage and asked me to go up front and speak. I waved them off. UST and UE called my name again. And by that time everyone, those on stage and those around me, were already looking at me with questioning stares. The organizer beside me then asked me 'bakit di ka pa umakyat'? Dead air. And yes, that was when I went up front. I said that the Ateneo is for truth, accountability and reform. And I chanted the group's name. And said thank you.

I am issuing this email even if the regular Ateneo student probably does not know about this incident because I feel bad about this matter. I feel bad not because nanindigan ako, but because I felt that I might have inadvertently offended the sensibilities of some, especially Ona and the HR - People that matter. Ona, those who have worked with me, and those closest to me know that I operate on one word: TRUST. I expect that from the people I deal with, for they know my word can be trusted. Sorry to those whom I may have offended. I did not betray you. I am sorry Ona for unintentionally hurting you. I truly understand where you are coming from. Sana naiintindihan mo din ang sitwasyon ko. No excuses though. I take full responsibility. I sincerely apologize for that. Ako po ang nagkamali.

On another note, it was a dream of mine even years back for the Ateneo to take a position and an active role on matters of national significance. Not just to be confined to books or personal concerns. Not just to sit on the fence. But to be aware and to be responsive to the call of the times. To tread the straight, narrow and lonely path if need be. Na manindigan naman. To change the perspective of those around us: that we simply choose to be quiet or choose what's convenient.

In my conscience I can say to each and every Atenean that I tried to be a good leader to all. To follow the right processes in each of my dealings. To do what is right, even if unpopular. Demokratiko kami sa SC. Sometimes even to a fault.

I know I have my misgivings too, both in my personal and SC life. But please do not shoot the messenger. I just wish that we go beyond ourselves, our interests, and see also the reality outside the walls of Rockwell. I have lent my voice, hoping to inspire the youth, to the point that I have already forgotten to some extent my duties as a student. That is how much I believe in this issue. Nanindigan na ako. Tayo ang mga ate at kuya ng kabataan ngayon. Sana magtulungan na lang tayo lahat. Magkakampi naman talaga tayong lahat kung iisipin ninyo.

Salamat sa pagkakataong maglingkod.

-Ralph

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#1298

From: "Alberto Pamintuan" <bertspamintuan@...>
Date: Sat Mar 1, 2008 7:28 pm
Subject: Re: Paumanhin at Salamat, Ateneo.

see you in 2010, us trapos and all.

On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 3:14 AM, Alberto Pamintuan <bertspamintuan@...> wrote:

as one blogger put it:
"A prayer rally? "Dear Lord, oh God, Give me a true Opposition not these hypocrites, not these trapos, not these crooks. Not these schnooks who think they're patriots. Amen".

It was also said during the "room-to-room" that the rally wasn't supposed to be personality based. Why were there politicos on stage?? Why the hell was ERAP on stage???

On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 2:58 AM, Rafael Calinisan <rafael_calinisan@...> wrote:

I would like to apologize to Ms. Ona Caritos, the Human Rights Family and to any Atenean that I may have offended yesterday during the Interfaith Rally..

The night prior to the rally, Ms. Caritos, 6 HR Interns and I were in a meeting to discuss logistical matters. In that meeting, I disclosed to them that the LSGCC, the newly formed coordinating body of the student councils of Ateneo, UP, UST, UE and FEU-La Salle, of which I am the sitting chair, was invited to speak during the rally for 3 minutes on stage. To my surprise, Ms. Caritos and the 6 HR Interns strongly requested me neither to speak nor be on stage with the other law school presidents when the LSGCC is called.

This is because "Busina", the group mobilizing the Ateneo Community for the interfaith rally is not calling for resignation but only for truth, accountability and reform. Since I was already associated with the resign calls of GMA, even if I still am calling for truth, accountability and reform, they reasoned that my actions there might be construed to mean that the whole Ateneo Community is calling for resignation as well. Furthermore, the HR Interns who went room to room to invite people to the rally had already made it clear to the students and assured them that while there might be other groups calling for resignation in the rally, "Busina" and the Ateneo contingent, whom they will be joining, are not for resignation.

Ideas were exchanged, followed by a one on one talk between Ms. Caritos and me. After which, I gave them my word that I will not speak during the rally. Mabigat. Kasi ako ang pinagkatiwalaan ng 4 pang Student Councils to serve as their leader. Mabigat kasi that move would weaken or destroy the moral of that organization, and at the same time it might put Ateneo law in a bad light in the eyes of the other law schools. Mabigat since I was wearing two hats and had two opposing responsibilities. It was hard to explain where I was coming from. But for the Ateneo Community, I agreed.

Previously, the student councils in each of the schools above mentioned took the position that GMA should resign. The Ateneo Law SC also agreed to take the same position, alongside the call for truth, accountability and reform. The LSGCC as the coordinating body of the law schools took the same position which includes the call for truth, accountability and reform. That was made clear each time the SC presidents were asked to comment in the media.

The only time all the presidents were free for a meeting was moments before the rally itself, backstage. It was then that I informed them that I will not speak on stage. Understandably, they all got angry at me, since they cannot comprehend where I was coming from - that for the sake of the Ateneo Community, I chose to keep quiet for that day. They honestly did not expect that from me. I felt then that the good name of the Ateneo and the relationship that we have established with the other law schools was put in question. In their eyes, the chair of the LSGCC should be one with the other law school presidents. That malabo si Ateneo. That I chickened out, of all people.

I was called names in that meeting. Pero ok na lang. Ang dami nilang ipinakiusap, but I still did not agree, keeping in mind that I gave my word to Ms. Caritos and to the 6 others in the LSAC to keep silent. Ang huling pakiusap ng mga presidente was for me to just introduce the group, and then keep quiet and they will do the talking. Content neutral. Pangit kasi kung kulang. At yung chair pa yung wala. Still, I did not agree. It was then the LSGCC was called on stage. Our names were called one by one by the emcee. All the presidents went up the stairs to the stage. I stayed in the steps.. I DID NOT GO ON STAGE. I decided to just watch from the staircase.

Obviously, I did not introduce the group. UST did. Naiba yung flow. All four presidents talked on stage and already said everything that needs to be communicated. Ubos na ang mga dapat sabihin and the 3 minutes already lapsed. Tapos na dapat. It was then when UP mentioned my name again on stage and asked me to go up front and speak. I waved them off. UST and UE called my name again. And by that time everyone, those on stage and those around me, were already looking at me with questioning stares. The organizer beside me then asked me 'bakit di ka pa umakyat'? Dead air. And yes, that was when I went up front. I said that the Ateneo is for truth, accountability and reform. And I chanted the group's name. And said thank you.

I am issuing this email even if the regular Ateneo student probably does not know about this incident because I feel bad about this matter. I feel bad not because nanindigan ako, but because I felt that I might have inadvertently offended the sensibilities of some, especially Ona and the HR - People that matter. Ona, those who have worked with me, and those closest to me know that I operate on one word: TRUST. I expect that from the people I deal with, for they know my word can be trusted. Sorry to those whom I may have offended. I did not betray you. I am sorry Ona for unintentionally hurting you. I truly understand where you are coming from. Sana naiintindihan mo din ang sitwasyon ko. No excuses though. I take full responsibility. I sincerely apologize for that. Ako po ang nagkamali.

On another note, it was a dream of mine even years back for the Ateneo to take a position and an active role on matters of national significance. Not just to be confined to books or personal concerns. Not just to sit on the fence. But to be aware and to be responsive to the call of the times. To tread the straight, narrow and lonely path if need be. Na manindigan naman. To change the perspective of those around us: that we simply choose to be quiet or choose what's convenient.

In my conscience I can say to each and every Atenean that I tried to be a good leader to all. To follow the right processes in each of my dealings. To do what is right, even if unpopular. Demokratiko kami sa SC. Sometimes even to a fault.

I know I have my misgivings too, both in my personal and SC life. But please do not shoot the messenger. I just wish that we go beyond ourselves, our interests, and see also the reality outside the walls of Rockwell. I have lent my voice, hoping to inspire the youth, to the point that I have already forgotten to some extent my duties as a student. That is how much I believe in this issue. Nanindigan na ako. Tayo ang mga ate at kuya ng kabataan ngayon. Sana magtulungan na lang tayo lahat. Magkakampi naman talaga tayong lahat kung iisipin ninyo.

Salamat sa pagkakataong maglingkod.

-Ralph

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#1299

From: "m.e. zosa iii" <manuelzosaiii@...>
Date: Sun Mar 2, 2008 1:12 am
Subject: Re: [ateneolaw2008] Paumanhin at Salamat, Ateneo.

Dear Ralph,

With all due respect, you owe an apology to the whole
Ateneo community. We do not work for other law school
organizations, we should be loyal to our consituents,
the students of Ateneo Law School.
I am disappointed with your actions, you should have
listened.

You yourself said, to operate with TRUST! With
confidence, the student council gave you our word. But
what did you do?  You cheated on the members of the
Student Council and especially the students of the law
school. I have feared that the Ateneo would be
prostituted by this Lozada frenzy. Indeed, my fears
have materialized. I hope you send your apologies to
the whole law school community.

Manuel Zosa III
Internal Vice President
Ateneo Law School Student Council



      
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#1300

From: krizna gomez <flnd_krizzie@...>
Date: Sun Mar 2, 2008 2:59 am
Subject: why was erap in the rally?

I believe I have answered this question of Berts, but I will say it again now for the sake of all who may validly ask.

When news of Estrada going to the rally came out the night before the prayer rally, we were all shocked and disappointed. I have been attending the meetings in Loyola for the Ateneo community's preparation for this rally, and the representatives of the entire Ateneo community in turn have been very much active in the planning and finalization of the program of the whole rally. Both Sanggu representatives and the administration leaders of the Loyola have been active and careful in ensuring that Ateneo's stand and specific concerns are very well represented the same way that all the other civil society groups are.

During the first meeting at the IBP, with numerous representatives from all the participating churches and groups in attendance, it was agreed upon and announced that NO POLITICIANS WOULD BE ALLOWED ON STAGE- that should they attend the rally, as they or no other person can be validly prevented from joining, they will not be allowed to speak, precisely because this was supposed to be an action by the ordinary, private citizens. It was going to be an INTERFAITH PRAYER RALLY FOR TRUTH, ACCOUNTABILITY AND REFORM.

During the final meeting of the program committee the day before the rally, which was attended again by the Ateneo Loyola representatives, the issue of Erap's attendance was raised. The religious threatened to walk out should he attend. So to prevent any kind of divisiveness in the rally which main objective was precisely to unite all in the common call for truth, accountability and reform regardless of their own individual stand regarding the issue of resignation, certain leaders close to Erap were asked to personally ask him to just not attend at all. Nevertheless, this issue was DEFINITIVELY RESOLVED- HE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED ON STAGE. Mayor Binay himself, who was aware of the entire process of decision-making by all the groups, said in his interview on TV the morning of the rally that neither Cory nor Erap will speak.

We confirmed this information with the program committee itself the night before and right before the rally, in recognition and careful safeguarding of the concern of every Ateneo law student, including ourselves, that we will be going to the kind of rally that we envisioned to be taking part in. An encouraging number of students were expressing their desire to go, in eagerness to finally be able to represent the true call of the Ateneo Law School student body, and for once to unite our stand with the rest of the Ateneo community. And our Ateneo Loyola representatives, echoing exactly what was agreed upon in the meeting, assured us of it.

We are as disappointed and scandalized by this sudden and unexplained event. The Ateneo contingent, consisting of the Loyola community, the Jesuit priests and religious, alumni, partner NGOs, and the Ateneo Law School students and lawyers, were even shouting for him to get out of the stage. Some did even walk out. Leaders from the Loyola administration were just as scandalized.

We went room-to-room knowing what we all stood for and under the genuine belief of what was what we thought in honor was agreed upon by all the rally organizers, and the 60 or so Ateneo Law School contingent marched along with thousands of other students, priests, and nuns from Don Bosco to Ayala fired up and eager to take part in calling for genuine change- a march to resolve the issues, and not to center, not the least even mention, any personalities. The 15,000 or so who came from Don Bosco, who were inspired by the precise turn-out of the nature of the march (prior to the program in Ayala), could attest to this.

We are as tired of being misrepresented beginning here in school. We would never even think of doing the same to our friends and fellow students whose true voice we genuinely valued and to the best of our efforts sought to protect. Ganito na nga siguro talaga ang pulitika sa Pilipinas. Nawala na ang konsepto ng isang salita.

----- Original Message ----
From: Alberto Pamintuan <bertspamintuan@...>
To: ateneolaw2009@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2008 3:14:58 AM
Subject: Re: [ateneolaw2009] Paumanhin at Salamat, Ateneo.

as one blogger put it:
"A prayer rally? "Dear Lord, oh God, Give me a true Opposition not these hypocrites, not these trapos, not these crooks. Not these schnooks who think they're patriots. Amen".

It was also said during the "room-to-room" that the rally wasn't supposed to be personality based. Why were there politicos on stage?? Why the hell was ERAP on stage???

On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 2:58 AM, Rafael Calinisan <rafael_calinisan@ yahoo.com> wrote:

I would like to apologize to Ms. Ona Caritos, the Human Rights Family and to any Atenean that I may have offended yesterday during the Interfaith Rally..

The night prior to the rally, Ms. Caritos, 6 HR Interns and I were in a meeting to discuss logistical matters. In that meeting, I disclosed to them that the LSGCC, the newly formed coordinating body of the student councils of Ateneo, UP, UST, UE and FEU-La Salle, of which I am the sitting chair, was invited to speak during the rally for 3 minutes on stage. To my surprise, Ms. Caritos and the 6 HR Interns strongly requested me neither to speak nor be on stage with the other law school presidents when the LSGCC is called.

This is because "Busina", the group mobilizing the Ateneo Community for the interfaith rally is not calling for resignation but only for truth, accountability and reform. Since I was already associated with the resign calls of GMA, even if I still am calling for truth, accountability and reform, they reasoned that my actions there might be construed to mean that the whole Ateneo Community is calling for resignation as well. Furthermore, the HR Interns who went room to room to invite people to the rally had already made it clear to the students and assured them that while there might be other groups calling for resignation in the rally, "Busina" and the Ateneo contingent, whom they will be joining, are not for resignation.

Ideas were exchanged, followed by a one on one talk between Ms. Caritos and me. After which, I gave them my word that I will not speak during the rally. Mabigat. Kasi ako ang pinagkatiwalaan ng 4 pang Student Councils to serve as their leader. Mabigat kasi that move would weaken or destroy the moral of that organization, and at the same time it might put Ateneo law in a bad light in the eyes of the other law schools. Mabigat since I was wearing two hats and had two opposing responsibilities. It was hard to explain where I was coming from. But for the Ateneo Community, I agreed.

Previously, the student councils in each of the schools above mentioned took the position that GMA should resign. The Ateneo Law SC also agreed to take the same position, alongside the call for truth, accountability and reform. The LSGCC as the coordinating body of the law schools took the same position which includes the call for truth, accountability and reform. That was made clear each time the SC presidents were asked to comment in the media.

The only time all the presidents were free for a meeting was moments before the rally itself, backstage. It was then that I informed them that I will not speak on stage. Understandably, they all got angry at me, since they cannot comprehend where I was coming from - that for the sake of the Ateneo Community, I chose to keep quiet for that day. They honestly did not expect that from me. I felt then that the good name of the Ateneo and the relationship that we have established with the other law schools was put in question. In their eyes, the chair of the LSGCC should be one with the other law school presidents. That malabo si Ateneo. That I chickened out, of all people.

I was called names in that meeting. Pero ok na lang. Ang dami nilang ipinakiusap, but I still did not agree, keeping in mind that I gave my word to Ms. Caritos and to the 6 others in the LSAC to keep silent. Ang huling pakiusap ng mga presidente was for me to just introduce the group, and then keep quiet and they will do the talking. Content neutral. Pangit kasi kung kulang. At yung chair pa yung wala. Still, I did not agree. It was then the LSGCC was called on stage. Our names were called one by one by the emcee. All the presidents went up the stairs to the stage. I stayed in the steps.. I DID NOT GO ON STAGE. I decided to just watch from the staircase.

Obviously, I did not introduce the group. UST did. Naiba yung flow. All four presidents talked on stage and already said everything that needs to be communicated. Ubos na ang mga dapat sabihin and the 3 minutes already lapsed. Tapos na dapat. It was then when UP mentioned my name again on stage and asked me to go up front and speak. I waved them off. UST and UE called my name again. And by that time everyone, those on stage and those around me, were already looking at me with questioning stares. The organizer beside me then asked me 'bakit di ka pa umakyat'? Dead air. And yes, that was when I went up front. I said that the Ateneo is for truth, accountability and reform. And I chanted the group's name. And said thank you.

I am issuing this email even if the regular Ateneo student probably does not know about this incident because I feel bad about this matter. I feel bad not because nanindigan ako, but because I felt that I might have inadvertently offended the sensibilities of some, especially Ona and the HR - People that matter. Ona, those who have worked with me, and those closest to me know that I operate on one word: TRUST. I expect that from the people I deal with, for they know my word can be trusted. Sorry to those whom I may have offended. I did not betray you. I am sorry Ona for unintentionally hurting you. I truly understand where you are coming from. Sana naiintindihan mo din ang sitwasyon ko. No excuses though. I take full responsibility. I sincerely apologize for that. Ako po ang nagkamali.

On another note, it was a dream of mine even years back for the Ateneo to take a position and an active role on matters of national significance. Not just to be confined to books or personal concerns. Not just to sit on the fence. But to be aware and to be responsive to the call of the times. To tread the straight, narrow and lonely path if need be. Na manindigan naman. To change the perspective of those around us: that we simply choose to be quiet or choose what's convenient.

In my conscience I can say to each and every Atenean that I tried to be a good leader to all. To follow the right processes in each of my dealings. To do what is right, even if unpopular. Demokratiko kami sa SC. Sometimes even to a fault.

I know I have my misgivings too, both in my personal and SC life. But please do not shoot the messenger. I just wish that we go beyond ourselves, our interests, and see also the reality outside the walls of Rockwell. I have lent my voice, hoping to inspire the youth, to the point that I have already forgotten to some extent my duties as a student. That is how much I believe in this issue. Nanindigan na ako. Tayo ang mga ate at kuya ng kabataan ngayon. Sana magtulungan na lang tayo lahat. Magkakampi naman talaga tayong lahat kung iisipin ninyo.

Salamat sa pagkakataong maglingkod.

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#1301

From: "Alberto Pamintuan" <bertspamintuan@...>
Date: Sun Mar 2, 2008 3:49 am
Subject: Re: Re: [ateneolaw2008] Paumanhin at Salamat, Ateneo.

I apologize if my reply seems to be attacking HR or Busina. I want to make it clear that I'm not faulting them for how the program turned out. I know that what happened was beyond HR/Busina's control. No one can really anticipate betrayal, be that by Binay (or simply, anyone who let Erap speak on stage), or by the President.
I fully support Busina's cause. Just expressing my frustration. Again, my apologies.

On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 9:12 AM, m.e. zosa iii <manuelzosaiii@...> wrote:

Dear Ralph,

With all due respect, you owe an apology to the whole
Ateneo community. We do not work for other law school
organizations, we should be loyal to our consituents,
the students of Ateneo Law School.
I am disappointed with your actions, you should have
listened.

You yourself said, to operate with TRUST! With
confidence, the student council gave you our word. But
what did you do? You cheated on the members of the
Student Council and especially the students of the law
school. I have feared that the Ateneo would be
prostituted by this Lozada frenzy. Indeed, my fears
have materialized. I hope you send your apologies to
the whole law school community.

Manuel Zosa III
Internal Vice President
Ateneo Law School Student Council

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#1302

From: carlo villarama <carlovillarama2003@...>
Date: Sun Mar 2, 2008 6:50 am
Subject: sa mga kamag-aral ko sa Ateneo Law

carlovillara...

is anyone paying any attention to OUR student council and more importantly to OURSELVES?

may nagagalit, may nagsosorry, may nabubuwisit, may nangbubuwisit, may walang paki-alam, may nagsisiraan, may "back-staban", may nagkakampihan, etc.. etc..

ano ba talaga ang stand ng Ateneo Law? gloria resign? truth and accountability lang? gloria remain? ANG LABO EH. kanya kanya tayo. ang HR may sariling stand. yung "busina" meron din, ang SC may sarili din. eh yung student body kaya?

wala akong alam sa mga nangyayari sa mga meeting meeting kaya paumanhin kung may hindi accurate na laman tong email ko.

si Ralph binigyan NATIN ng mandate by voting for him as president. Let him represent us the best way he can. siya presidente eh. yung mga ibang grupo, let Ralph do his job. rally for your own cause if you want, BUT dont drag the name of the Ateneo Law School into your own causes/rally-point/positions. as far as the student body is concerned, the student council IS the representative of the student body.

kung tayo tayo within the ateneo law school hindi magkasundo, pano pa kaya sa labas?

Carlo Villarama

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#1303

From: Jayvee Salud <rouge_aigle_1982@...>
Date: Sun Mar 2, 2008 8:08 am
Subject: ...

rouge_aigle_...

Just my two cents.

The inter-faith rally held last Friday was an affront to all that is good about religion and spirituality. I personally support the call for truth and accountability. I want the President to fess up, no more than any of us do. But that rally was not about prayer at all, it was about Trapos of old, and new seeking to regain/gain power.

The organizers of the event in the Ateneo are to be lauded for trying to galvanize the student body to take a stand. It's just sad that even the purest of intentions are easily tainted by the evilest of desires.

Taking a stand in these very trying times is a consequence of our political/constitutional processes. May mga naniniwala na dapat patalsikin ang pangulo, meron namang hindi. But our choices are personal. We should only speak for ourselves, not for others. Leadership is not about what we want, it's about what your constituents want. A strong leader cannot and should not be bullied, unless he is just using that as an excuse to get what he really wants.

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#1304

From: "Juancho Hernandez" <juanchobhernandez@...>
Date: Sun Mar 2, 2008 8:19 am
Subject: Re: ...

I know there have been a lot of comments on the fact that certain Politicians got on the stage. Personally i think its despicable how they used other people to further their own ends, but then again what is new about that, people all over our country and throughout the world get used everyday which is the sad but undeniable truth. I guess it just hurts a little more when it happens at home.

That aside however, lets try to look on the bright side of things. Despite the setbacks, or misinformation or betrayals as many have put it, i think the message is still loud and clear. It doesnt matter whether you want GMA out or not but it is clear that we all want an explanation and we are all demanding it since the people in power are there to SERVE US not US TO SERVE THEM. I mean these issues raise questions and invite thoughts like "why should i pay taxes? some politicain will just steal it anyway!" which we all know will bring us no where but lower into the grave that we seem to be digging for ourselves.

Whether you are PRO GMA / ANTI GMA / UNDECIDED we all want an explanation. After that we can decide what is the best thing to do. The sad part is while the administration stresses the use of the Rule of Law, they seem to close all the doors available to the people. A recall of the last impeachment process just puts that into stark focus

just my 2 cents worth as well.

On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Jayvee Salud <rouge_aigle_1982@...> wrote:

Just my two cents.

The inter-faith rally held last Friday was an affront to all that is good about religion and spirituality. I personally support the call for truth and accountability. I want the President to fess up, no more than any of us do. But that rally was not about prayer at all, it was about Trapos of old, and new seeking to regain/gain power.

The organizers of the event in the Ateneo are to be lauded for trying to galvanize the student body to take a stand. It's just sad that even the purest of intentions are easily tainted by the evilest of desires.

Taking a stand in these very trying times is a consequence of our political/constitutional processes. May mga naniniwala na dapat patalsikin ang pangulo, meron namang hindi. But our choices are personal. We should only speak for ourselves, not for others. Leadership is not about what we want, it's about what your constituents want. A strong leader cannot and should not be bullied, unless he is just using that as an excuse to get what he really wants.

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#1305

From: Marvin Guerra <emjaygee21@...>
Date: Sun Mar 2, 2008 12:22 pm
Subject: Re: sa mga kamag-aral ko sa Ateneo Law

Well said, Mr. Villarama.

While those adopting a technical point of view would insist Ralph broke his promise that he would NOT go up the stage, I believe his actions after showed restraint given his own personal stand. It is troubling that such a promise was secured in the first place. The ramifications of his non-appearance of stage should have been considered.

Anyway, Ralph, you don't owe me an apology. Any pollution of the Ateneo message of calling for "truth, accountability, and reform" was due to causes beyond your and the Ateneo contingent's control. Those who would use Erap's presence as an excuse to diminish in anyway the events of February 29 and to taint the intent of those who participated, well you are free to do so.

----- Original Message ----
From: carlo villarama <carlovillarama2003@...>
To: ateneolaw2008@yahoogroups.com; ateneolaw2009@yahoogroups.com; ateneolaw2010@yahoogroups.com; ateneolaw2011@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2008 2:50:00 PM
Subject: [ateneolaw2009] sa mga kamag-aral ko sa Ateneo Law

is anyone paying any attention to OUR student council and more importantly to OURSELVES?

may nagagalit, may nagsosorry, may nabubuwisit, may nangbubuwisit, may walang paki-alam, may nagsisiraan, may "back-staban" , may nagkakampihan, etc.. etc..

ano ba talaga ang stand ng Ateneo Law? gloria resign? truth and accountability lang? gloria remain? ANG LABO EH. kanya kanya tayo. ang HR may sariling stand. yung "busina" meron din, ang SC may sarili din. eh yung student body kaya?

wala akong alam sa mga nangyayari sa mga meeting meeting kaya paumanhin kung may hindi accurate na laman tong email ko.

si Ralph binigyan NATIN ng mandate by voting for him as president. Let him represent us the best way he can. siya presidente eh. yung mga ibang grupo, let Ralph do his job. rally for your own cause if you want, BUT dont drag the name of the Ateneo Law School into your own causes/rally- point/positions. as far as the student body is concerned, the student council IS the representative of the student body.

kung tayo tayo within the ateneo law school hindi magkasundo, pano pa kaya sa labas?

Carlo Villarama

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#1306

From: "lean abarquez" <lean.abarquez@...>
Date: Sun Mar 2, 2008 3:23 pm
Subject: Thesis Topic

Race to the first: im the first.. .hahaha sorry guys

TOPIC:

The Endless Strike: Setting a time limit on the right to Strike

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#1307

From: "lean abarquez" <lean.abarquez@...>
Date: Sun Mar 2, 2008 3:58 pm
Subject: Thesis topic change

sorry for being fickle minded: anyone who wants to use the topic about endless strike is free to do so.

up for grabs but this ones mine :)

Topic:

Justifiable Suffering: Is there a necessity to delineate between torture and cidt?

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#1308

From: "Alberto Pamintuan" <bertspamintuan@...>
Date: Sun Mar 2, 2008 4:05 pm
Subject: Re: Thesis topic change

Hahaha! Ayos!

On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 11:58 PM, lean abarquez <lean.abarquez@...> wrote:

sorry for being fickle minded: anyone who wants to use the topic about endless strike is free to do so.

up for grabs but this ones mine :)

Topic:

Justifiable Suffering: Is there a necessity to delineate between torture and cidt?

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#1309

From: "Alberto Pamintuan" <bertspamintuan@...>
Date: Sun Mar 2, 2008 4:30 pm
Subject: Re: ...

check this link out, spy cam featuring FG accepting bribe money.

Hehehe, just kidding. Enjoy the show

On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Juancho Hernandez <juanchobhernandez@...> wrote:

I know there have been a lot of comments on the fact that certain Politicians got on the stage. Personally i think its despicable how they used other people to further their own ends, but then again what is new about that, people all over our country and throughout the world get used everyday which is the sad but undeniable truth. I guess it just hurts a little more when it happens at home.

That aside however, lets try to look on the bright side of things. Despite the setbacks, or misinformation or betrayals as many have put it, i think the message is still loud and clear. It doesnt matter whether you want GMA out or not but it is clear that we all want an explanation and we are all demanding it since the people in power are there to SERVE US not US TO SERVE THEM. I mean these issues raise questions and invite thoughts like "why should i pay taxes? some politicain will just steal it anyway!" which we all know will bring us no where but lower into the grave that we seem to be digging for ourselves.

Whether you are PRO GMA / ANTI GMA / UNDECIDED we all want an explanation. After that we can decide what is the best thing to do. The sad part is while the administration stresses the use of the Rule of Law, they seem to close all the doors available to the people. A recall of the last impeachment process just puts that into stark focus

just my 2 cents worth as well.

On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Jayvee Salud <rouge_aigle_1982@...> wrote:

Just my two cents.

The inter-faith rally held last Friday was an affront to all that is good about religion and spirituality. I personally support the call for truth and accountability. I want the President to fess up, no more than any of us do. But that rally was not about prayer at all, it was about Trapos of old, and new seeking to regain/gain power.

The organizers of the event in the Ateneo are to be lauded for trying to galvanize the student body to take a stand. It's just sad that even the purest of intentions are easily tainted by the evilest of desires.

Taking a stand in these very trying times is a consequence of our political/constitutional processes. May mga naniniwala na dapat patalsikin ang pangulo, meron namang hindi. But our choices are personal. We should only speak for ourselves, not for others. Leadership is not about what we want, it's about what your constituents want. A strong leader cannot and should not be bullied, unless he is just using that as an excuse to get what he really wants.

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#1310

From: Tricia Cervantes <mprcervantes@...>
Date: Mon Mar 3, 2008 1:17 am
Subject: Announcements! :)

Hello Batchmates!

1. The Thesis Center is asking for a final list of
thesis topics (at least for this semester and for the
purposes of Thesis class), deadline is March 10. I
asked the beadles to collect changes and to submit
class lists by WEDNESDAY. Please finalize so I can
organize our files that I may present a comprehensive
list to the batch for comparing. Thanks!

2. Our batch funds have gone to our Blue Hope project,
which is a literacy project in cooperation with the
Freshman batch. We collected old textbooks and
storybooks, and purchased new ones as well (mostly
Adarna Publishing books) to donate to the school that
the Freshmen have partnered with. Part of our batch
funds also went to the video coverage of the Night of
Performing Arts.

3. Congratulations to our batchmates who performed at
the concert last Feb 23! Natatakot ako isa-isahin ang
mga pangalan ninyo because I might leave someone out,
but here goes: Joan L, Melodie, Ipe, Eunice, Tipin,
Meg, Sek, Pia...shucks, ba't ang konti, did I miss
someone? Sorry!!! Special thanks din kay Toi na
tumulong sa paggawa ng backdrop at kay Dema: the super
props wonderlady! Thanks! Salamat din sa lahat ng
batchmates na sumuporta sa project by buying tickets,
watching and cheering. Yey. :)

4. Lex Updates: Congratulations din sa members of the
Ateneo basketball team (undefeated!!! Co-captains are
our batchmates Paolo Abarquez and TJ Rocamora). Final
game on March 16.

Congratulations din to the Ateneo Football team,
champion of the Lex Comones meet, captain is also our
batchmate Gino Puno. Good job guys (and girl,
Sev...hehe)!

Congrats din sa Ateneo women's basketball team
(co-captain is batchmate Kate Sabado), won over UST,
going straight to finals with UP on the 16th as well.

Mighty congratulations din sa bowling team (champion
team: Benj Yan and Dane Umali, runner up team: Leika
San Juan and Kate Sabado) at sa volleyball team!

5. SC Election on March 7, Friday. Go out and vote.
Make yourself heard. :) Miting de Avance on WEDNESDAY
at the Atrium, time TBA. Will send out another email
about this.

Sincerely,
Tricia Cervantes


      
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#1311

From: josephine ann anover <tipin_anover@...>
Date: Mon Mar 3, 2008 1:32 am
Subject: Re: Paumanhin at Salamat, Ateneo.

You had the audacity to sell out your own constituents
and sorry is all that can come up with? You sound
EXACTLY like GMA when she apologized for the whole
Garci issue. And please stop wearing the ateneo jacket
when you speak to the media. You are incapable of
representing the sentiments of the ateneo community.

--- Rafael Calinisan <rafael_calinisan@...>
wrote:

> I would like to apologize to Ms. Ona Caritos, the
> Human Rights Family and to any Atenean that I may
> have offended yesterday during the Interfaith
> Rally..
>
>   The night prior to the rally, Ms. Caritos, 6 HR
> Interns and I were in a meeting to discuss
> logistical matters.   In that meeting, I disclosed
> to them that the LSGCC, the newly formed
> coordinating body of the student councils of Ateneo,
> UP, UST, UE and FEU-La Salle, of which I am the
> sitting chair, was invited to speak during the rally
> for 3 minutes on stage.  To my surprise, Ms. Caritos
> and the 6 HR Interns strongly requested me neither
> to speak nor be on stage with the other law school
> presidents when the LSGCC is called.
>
>   This is because �Busina�, the group mobilizing the
> Ateneo Community for the interfaith rally is not
> calling for resignation but only for truth,
> accountability and reform.  Since I was already
> associated with the resign calls of GMA, even if I
> still am calling for truth, accountability and
> reform, they reasoned that my actions there might be
> construed to mean that the whole Ateneo Community is
> calling for resignation as well.  Furthermore, the
> HR Interns who went room to room to invite people to
> the rally had already made it clear to the students
> and assured them that while there might be other
> groups calling for resignation in the rally,
> �Busina� and the Ateneo contingent, whom they will
> be joining, are not for resignation.
>
>   Ideas were exchanged, followed by a one on one
> talk between Ms. Caritos and me.  After which, I
> gave them my word that I will not speak during the
> rally.  Mabigat.  Kasi ako ang pinagkatiwalaan ng 4
> pang Student Councils to serve as their leader.
> Mabigat kasi that move would weaken or destroy the
> moral of that organization, and at the same time it
> might put Ateneo law in a bad light in the eyes of
> the other law schools.  Mabigat since I was wearing
> two hats and had two opposing responsibilities. It
> was hard to explain where I was coming from.  But
> for the Ateneo Community, I agreed.
>
>   Previously, the student councils in each of the
> schools above mentioned took the position that GMA
> should resign.  The Ateneo Law SC also agreed to
> take the same position, alongside the call for
> truth, accountability and reform.  The LSGCC as the
> coordinating body of the law schools took the same
> position which includes the call for truth,
> accountability and reform.  That was made clear each
> time the SC presidents were asked to comment in the
> media.
>
>   The only time all the presidents were free for a
> meeting was moments before the rally itself,
> backstage.  It was then that I informed them that I
> will not speak on stage.  Understandably, they all
> got angry at me, since they cannot comprehend where
> I was coming from - that for the sake of the Ateneo
> Community, I chose to keep quiet for that day.  They
> honestly did not expect that from me. I felt then
> that the good name of the Ateneo and the
> relationship that we have established with the other
> law schools was put in question.  In their eyes, the
> chair of the LSGCC should be one with the other law
> school presidents.  That malabo si Ateneo.  That I
> chickened out, of all people.
>
>   I was called names in that meeting.  Pero ok na
> lang.  Ang dami nilang ipinakiusap, but I still did
> not agree, keeping in mind that I gave my word to
> Ms. Caritos and to the 6 others in the LSAC to keep
> silent.  Ang huling pakiusap ng mga presidente was
> for me to just introduce the group, and then keep
> quiet and they will do the talking.  Content
> neutral.  Pangit kasi kung kulang.  At yung chair pa
> yung wala.  Still, I did not agree.  It was then the
> LSGCC was called on stage.  Our names were called
> one by one by the emcee.  All the presidents went up
> the stairs to the stage.  I stayed in the steps..  I
> DID NOT GO ON STAGE.  I decided to just watch from
> the staircase.
>
>   Obviously, I did not introduce the group.  UST
> did.  Naiba yung flow.  All four presidents talked
> on stage and already said everything that needs to
> be communicated.  Ubos na ang mga dapat sabihin and
> the 3 minutes already lapsed.  Tapos na dapat.  It
> was then when UP mentioned my name again on stage
> and asked me to go up front and speak.  I waved them
> off.  UST and UE called my name again.  And by that
> time everyone, those on stage and those around me,
> were already looking at me with questioning stares.
> The organizer beside me then asked me �bakit di ka
> pa umakyat�?  Dead air.  And yes, that was when I
> went up front.  I said that the Ateneo is for truth,
> accountability and reform.  And I chanted the
> group�s name.  And said thank you.
>
>   I am issuing this email even if the regular Ateneo
> student probably does not know about this incident
> because I feel bad about this matter.  I feel bad
> not because nanindigan ako, but because I felt that
> I might have inadvertently offended the
> sensibilities of some, especially Ona and the HR  -
> People that matter.  Ona, those who have worked with
> me, and those closest to me know that I operate on
> one word:  TRUST.  I expect that from the people I
> deal with, for they know my word can be trusted.
> Sorry to those whom I may have offended.  I did not
> betray you.  I am sorry Ona for unintentionally
> hurting you.  I truly understand where you are
> coming from.  Sana naiintindihan mo din ang
> sitwasyon ko.  No excuses though.  I take full
> responsibility.  I sincerely apologize for that.
> Ako po ang nagkamali.
>
>   On another note, it was a dream of mine even years
> back for the Ateneo to take a position and an active
> role on matters of national significance.  Not just
> to be confined to books or personal concerns.  Not
> just to sit on the fence.  But to be aware and to be
> responsive to the call of the times.  To tread the
> straight, narrow and lonely path if need be.  Na
> manindigan naman.  To change the perspective of
> those around us: that we simply choose to be quiet
> or choose what�s convenient.
>
>   In my conscience I can say to each and every
> Atenean that I tried to be a good leader to all.  To
> follow the right processes in each of my dealings.
> To do what is right, even if unpopular.  Demokratiko
> kami sa SC.  Sometimes even to a fault.
>
>   I know I have my misgivings too, both in my
> personal and SC life.  But please do not shoot the
> messenger.  I just wish that we go beyond ourselves,
> our interests, and see also the reality outside the
> walls of Rockwell.  I have lent my voice, hoping to
> inspire the youth, to the point that I have already
> forgotten to some extent my duties as a student.
> That is how much I believe in this issue.
> Nanindigan na ako. Tayo ang mga ate at kuya ng
> kabataan ngayon.  Sana magtulungan na lang tayo
> lahat.  Magkakampi naman talaga tayong lahat kung
> iisipin ninyo.
>
>   Salamat sa pagkakataong maglingkod.
>
>    -Ralph
>
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From: nicole batingana <niqol_b14@...>
Date: Mon Mar 3, 2008 2:21 am
Subject: theses topic

haha. thanks, lean! i actually thought of that topic na but then naunahan ko nimo. i won't make the same mistake again.

To give you an idea of my topic, it is this: Duration of strikes. Using the discretionary power of the DOLE Secretary to assume jurisdiction. (because the law does not provide for any limit to the duration)

nicole

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#1313

From: "Stephanie Michelle C. Tan" <tekko_mermaid@...>
Date: Mon Mar 3, 2008 10:41 am
Subject: Thesis topic

My thesis topic would involve making a standard on what is a minor disturbance
during a strike or lockout.

Stephanie Tan 3A


      
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#1314

From: "Raffy del Rosario" <raffy.delrosario@...>
Date: Mon Mar 3, 2008 2:21 pm
Subject: Re: Paumanhin at Salamat, Ateneo.

Ganyan talaga ang pulitika...

We deserve the leaders we elect. Sa ayaw at sa ayaw natin, sila pa rin ang masusunod. Tulad ni Erap at ni Gloria, nanaginip silang tunay na paghanga ang nadadama sa kanila ng taumbayan. At bakit hindi? Nagkamali man o sinadya, madami naman talaga ang bumoto sa kanila.

Kaya nga sana sa Biyernes (ika-7 ng Marso), para sa ating mga matitira sa Rockwell, mag-isipisip na po tayo. Dahil baka etong "unity in diversity" na nasabi ng iba, eh "unity" lang sa paraan at mata ng isa.

Haya mo Ralph, laya ka na, konti nalang. Kahit naririnig ko sa ilan-ilan, medyo paso nang magsampa ng impeachment laban sa'yo. Wala namang sigurong mangangahas pa.

At laya na din kami, kahit panandalian lamang bago maihalal na naman ang isang tulad mo na mag-iisip na siya ang dakilang mananakop.

Good luck sa'yo at sana matamasa mo nga ang inaasahang mong mangyari sa "paninindigan" mo.

(Di ako nagsasalita para sa mga kapatid ko sa Utopia. Ako lang 'to.)

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 9:32 AM, josephine ann anover <tipin_anover@...> wrote:

You had the audacity to sell out your own constituents
and sorry is all that can come up with? You sound
EXACTLY like GMA when she apologized for the whole
Garci issue. And please stop wearing the ateneo jacket
when you speak to the media. You are incapable of
representing the sentiments of the ateneo community.

--- Rafael Calinisan <rafael_calinisan@...>
wrote:

> I would like to apologize to Ms. Ona Caritos, the
> Human Rights Family and to any Atenean that I may
> have offended yesterday during the Interfaith
> Rally..
>
> The night prior to the rally, Ms. Caritos, 6 HR
> Interns and I were in a meeting to discuss
> logistical matters. In that meeting, I disclosed
> to them that the LSGCC, the newly formed
> coordinating body of the student councils of Ateneo,
> UP, UST, UE and FEU-La Salle, of which I am the
> sitting chair, was invited to speak during the rally
> for 3 minutes on stage. To my surprise, Ms. Caritos
> and the 6 HR Interns strongly requested me neither
> to speak nor be on stage with the other law school
> presidents when the LSGCC is called.
>
> This is because "Busina", the group mobilizing the
> Ateneo Community for the interfaith rally is not
> calling for resignation but only for truth,
> accountability and reform. Since I was already
> associated with the resign calls of GMA, even if I
> still am calling for truth, accountability and
> reform, they reasoned that my actions there might be
> construed to mean that the whole Ateneo Community is
> calling for resignation as well. Furthermore, the
> HR Interns who went room to room to invite people to
> the rally had already made it clear to the students
> and assured them that while there might be other
> groups calling for resignation in the rally,
> "Busina" and the Ateneo contingent, whom they will
> be joining, are not for resignation.
>
> Ideas were exchanged, followed by a one on one
> talk between Ms. Caritos and me. After which, I
> gave them my word that I will not speak during the
> rally. Mabigat. Kasi ako ang pinagkatiwalaan ng 4
> pang Student Councils to serve as their leader.
> Mabigat kasi that move would weaken or destroy the
> moral of that organization, and at the same time it
> might put Ateneo law in a bad light in the eyes of
> the other law schools. Mabigat since I was wearing
> two hats and had two opposing responsibilities. It
> was hard to explain where I was coming from. But
> for the Ateneo Community, I agreed.
>
> Previously, the student councils in each of the
> schools above mentioned took the position that GMA
> should resign. The Ateneo Law SC also agreed to
> take the same position, alongside the call for
> truth, accountability and reform. The LSGCC as the
> coordinating body of the law schools took the same
> position which includes the call for truth,
> accountability and reform. That was made clear each
> time the SC presidents were asked to comment in the
> media.
>
> The only time all the presidents were free for a
> meeting was moments before the rally itself,
> backstage. It was then that I informed them that I
> will not speak on stage. Understandably, they all
> got angry at me, since they cannot comprehend where
> I was coming from - that for the sake of the Ateneo
> Community, I chose to keep quiet for that day. They
> honestly did not expect that from me. I felt then
> that the good name of the Ateneo and the
> relationship that we have established with the other
> law schools was put in question. In their eyes, the
> chair of the LSGCC should be one with the other law
> school presidents. That malabo si Ateneo. That I
> chickened out, of all people.
>
> I was called names in that meeting. Pero ok na
> lang. Ang dami nilang ipinakiusap, but I still did
> not agree, keeping in mind that I gave my word to
> Ms. Caritos and to the 6 others in the LSAC to keep
> silent. Ang huling pakiusap ng mga presidente was
> for me to just introduce the group, and then keep
> quiet and they will do the talking. Content
> neutral. Pangit kasi kung kulang. At yung chair pa
> yung wala. Still, I did not agree. It was then the
> LSGCC was called on stage. Our names were called
> one by one by the emcee. All the presidents went up
> the stairs to the stage. I stayed in the steps.. I
> DID NOT GO ON STAGE. I decided to just watch from
> the staircase.
>
> Obviously, I did not introduce the group. UST
> did. Naiba yung flow. All four presidents talked
> on stage and already said everything that needs to
> be communicated. Ubos na ang mga dapat sabihin and
> the 3 minutes already lapsed. Tapos na dapat. It
> was then when UP mentioned my name again on stage
> and asked me to go up front and speak. I waved them
> off. UST and UE called my name again. And by that
> time everyone, those on stage and those around me,
> were already looking at me with questioning stares.
> The organizer beside me then asked me 'bakit di ka
> pa umakyat'? Dead air. And yes, that was when I
> went up front. I said that the Ateneo is for truth,
> accountability and reform. And I chanted the
> group's name. And said thank you.
>
> I am issuing this email even if the regular Ateneo
> student probably does not know about this incident
> because I feel bad about this matter. I feel bad
> not because nanindigan ako, but because I felt that
> I might have inadvertently offended the
> sensibilities of some, especially Ona and the HR -
> People that matter. Ona, those who have worked with
> me, and those closest to me know that I operate on
> one word: TRUST. I expect that from the people I
> deal with, for they know my word can be trusted.
> Sorry to those whom I may have offended. I did not
> betray you. I am sorry Ona for unintentionally
> hurting you. I truly understand where you are
> coming from. Sana naiintindihan mo din ang
> sitwasyon ko. No excuses though. I take full
> responsibility. I sincerely apologize for that.
> Ako po ang nagkamali.
>
> On another note, it was a dream of mine even years
> back for the Ateneo to take a position and an active
> role on matters of national significance. Not just
> to be confined to books or personal concerns. Not
> just to sit on the fence. But to be aware and to be
> responsive to the call of the times. To tread the
> straight, narrow and lonely path if need be. Na
> manindigan naman. To change the perspective of
> those around us: that we simply choose to be quiet
> or choose what's convenient.
>
> In my conscience I can say to each and every
> Atenean that I tried to be a good leader to all. To
> follow the right processes in each of my dealings.
> To do what is right, even if unpopular. Demokratiko
> kami sa SC. Sometimes even to a fault.
>
> I know I have my misgivings too, both in my
> personal and SC life. But please do not shoot the
> messenger. I just wish that we go beyond ourselves,
> our interests, and see also the reality outside the
> walls of Rockwell. I have lent my voice, hoping to
> inspire the youth, to the point that I have already
> forgotten to some extent my duties as a student.
> That is how much I believe in this issue.
> Nanindigan na ako. Tayo ang mga ate at kuya ng
> kabataan ngayon. Sana magtulungan na lang tayo
> lahat. Magkakampi naman talaga tayong lahat kung
> iisipin ninyo.
>
> Salamat sa pagkakataong maglingkod.
>
> -Ralph
>
>
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From: van <mswindsor@...>
Date: Mon Mar 3, 2008 6:09 pm
Subject: Papuz!!!

Hey Papz!

You running for real??? That's really great to hear! Have complete faith in you.

Ivanna :-)

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#1316

From: Diana Uy <dgl_uy@...>
Date: Tue Mar 4, 2008 4:02 am
Subject: Thesis Topic

dgl_uy

My thesis would be on the interplay of Writ of Habeas Corpus, Writ of Amparo, and Writ of Habeas Data for the protection of activists. The focus would be on how the writs would complement each other in different instances of violations of life, liberty, and security.

Diana Uy

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#1317

From: "jeromealejandro" <jeromealejandro@...>
Date: Tue Mar 4, 2008 9:16 am
Subject: Re: Paumanhin at Salamat, Ateneo.

jeromealejandro

kapag ako ay lumalabas upang pumunta sa ibat ibang lugar sa amin,
tinatanung ako kung sa ateneo law school ako nag-aaral. ang sagot ko
naman oo dahil proud ako sa ateneo dahil binigyan ako ng eduaksyon
nito simula noong high school hanggang ngayong nasa law school ako.

pero noong kainitan ng issue ng ZTE at GMA resignation, bigla nila
ako tinanung ano ang pananaw ko sa mga isyung ito. sagot ko, rule of
law ayaw ko tanggalin si GMA dapat maging transparent na lang siya.
e tanung sa akin ng tropa, bakit yang presidente niyo ng ateneo law
student council ganyan ang asta. e di ibig sabihin stand mo yan.
siyempre ang sagot ko HINDI. STAND NIYA LANG IYON. ang sagot nila sa
akin, para kayong di abugado yan pa naman ang inaaral niyo.
NAKAKAHIYA ITO, sa totoo lang. dahil lang sa isang tao, ako at mga
ibang atenista at lalu na ang mismong institusyon ng ateneo na
sandigan ng katwiran at karunungan ay nalagay sa alanganin dahil sa
nangyari.

ralph, sana kinonsulta mo kami sa issue na ito.hindi sa lahat ng
oras puwede kang mangatawan para sa amin. masyadong mabigat na issue
ito nalagay ang institusyong nirerespeto ko sa alanganin. isang
malaking tampal sa mukha namin at sa ateneo itong nagawa mo.

sa normal na buhay lagi nasa huli ang pagsisisi at ang paghingi ng
paumanhin. ANO PA ANG SILBI NG SORRY MO KUNG GRADUATING KA NA SA LAW
SCHOOL AT SA PANUNUNGKULAN MO. FAIT ACCOMPLI IN A LEGAL SENSE. kung
ano man ang larangan na tatahakin mo pagkatapos mo sa pag-aaral ng
batas, maging leksyon sana ito sa iyo. imbis na marami natuwa sa
NATIONALISM mo, maraming naasar, nabwisit, at nagalit dahil inisip
mo lamang ang SARILI MO.

YOU HAVE TO APOLOGIZE NOT ONLY TO THE ATENEO LAW SCHOOL COMMUNITY
BUT ALSO TO THE ATENEO LOYOLA SCHOOLS IN KATIPUNAN. YOU USED THE
INSTITUTION'S NAME FOR YOUR OWN GLORIFICATION. SORRY I AM JUST
THINKING ALOUD!

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#1318

From: Anthony Tan <mastanista@...>
Date: Wed Mar 5, 2008 10:30 am
Subject: new thesis topic... Banning elected officials from resigning to attain appointive positions

pls tell me kung may conflict kanino man... salamat

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#1319

From: "shayvera" <shayvera@...>
Date: Thu Mar 6, 2008 10:48 am
Subject: thesis topic

topic: defining the limits of the presidential power to award contracts
without public bidding

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#1320

From: tricia roque <tricia_v_roque@...>
Date: Thu Mar 6, 2008 1:33 pm
Subject: Re: thesis topic

my topic and the topic of joan to relate to the presidential power to guarantee loans and to the contracts covering the proceeds of the loan. it might cover the topic you're proposing.

shayvera <shayvera@...> wrote:

topic: defining the limits of the presidential power to award contracts
without public bidding

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#1321

From: Joseph Benedict Gesmundo <job_gesmundo@...>
Date: Fri Mar 7, 2008 3:43 am
Subject: Thesis Topic

General Anti-(Tax)Avoidance Rules: The Philippine Model

Joseph Benedict G. Gesmundo

School of Law

Ateneo de Manila University

Rockwell Drive, Rockwell Center, Makati City

Philippines

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#1322

From: vera salcedo <shayvera@...>
Date: Sat Mar 8, 2008 5:46 am
Subject: for tricia (3a) : thesis outline

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#1323

From: francisco verzosa <francisco_verzosa@...>
Date: Sat Mar 8, 2008 8:39 am
Subject: a piece of my mind re: the current political situation.

francisco_ve...

For further reference: go to www.chicoverzosa.blogspot.com

A political question!

With another allegation against GMA coming up now under the accusation of "selling out our territorial claim against the Spratly islands, we should just wonder if GMA is still the rightful President of the Philippines. One is not a genius to see that the north rail and south rail overpricing and the ZTE broadbnd scandal involve transactions with the Chinese government officials and/or GOCC's. The "Hello Garci" and the Jose Pidal scandals of earlier years are n0t even included.

Different sectors of society have had different reactions to current national events. Some want her out, some want her to lead the search for truth, others have supported her unconditionally. With no clear path of action coming from the civil society, the political opposition, and other groups, the government continues to take advantage of a perverse political culture that has thrived on personalities rather than institution-building.

As a concerned citizen, the Pres. Arroyo should be given a day in court and clear her name. But she will not get that as a sitting President which is immune from suit. Rather, she and her henchmen are trying to give a message that she is the only one capable of governing the country. This leaves VP De Castro into a pandora's box. If you recall, then VPGMA also adopted a wait and see attitude before formally calling on Former President Erap's resignation. Well, we all knew what the result was.

This time around, the country does not need another uprising. But I think what the country needs more are leaders and citizenry willing to strengthen our democratic institutions and putting the welfare of the common good above selfish interest.

With that in mind, I believe that more and more people will be agitated as long as more and more scandals continue to rock the administration.
The Presidency of the Philippines should be an institution that is the bedrock of the people's trust. If other leaders from more mature democracies are selfless enough to give up their posts even with a tinge of scandal, (Pres. Nixon resigned over a mere wiretapping charge.) Why can't our leaders do the same and spare the nation over a bloddy political battle. If our leaders can't do it, then we as citizens using the law as guide should push for the proper political action and not just be stuck with our rotten personalistic political culture.

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From: Philip Closa <ipe_closa@...>
Date: Sat Mar 8, 2008 3:03 pm
Subject: 3B thesis topics (as of Feb 26 2008)

Hello batchmates and Tricia,

sorry for the delay, this is the thesis topic of 3B peeps...dalwa na lang kulang...i sent it na agad para wala tayo problema sa conflicting/same topics...

any problems? Don't know the cell number of the batchmate concerned? text me lang para mainform ko yung blockmate concerned (to avoid email clogging)

see you in school na lang :)

" I would like to see my own ignorance wither into enlightenment "

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