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#298 From: viziondanz@...
Date: Tue Oct 22, 2002 1:42 am
Subject: Fwd:'"Dry Drunk" -- Is Bush Making a Cry for Help?' viziondanz
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Addiction, Brain Damage and the President

Dear butterflies

Please check out my long article on Bush, the Dry Drunk which is at
Counterpunch.com and see if you can share it with readers. I'm getting
dozens and dozens of emails.

Thanks, Katherine van Wormer

Katherine van Wormer is a Friend (Quaker), is Professor of Social Work at the
University of Northern Iowa, and is co-author of the recent 'Addiction
Treatment: A Strengths Perspective (2002)'. A longtime member of the CERJ
colloquium, Katherine can be reached at: Katherine.VanWormer@...

"Dry Drunk" Syndrome and George W. Bush
by Katherine van Wormer October 11, 2002
www.counterpunch.com/wormer1011.html

Ordinarily I would not use this term. But when I came across the article
'"Dry Drunk" -- Is Bush Making a Cry for Help?' in 'American Politics
Journal' by Alan Bisbort, I was ready to concede ... in the case of George W.
Bush, the phrase may be quite apt.

Dry drunk is a slang term used by members and supporters of Alcoholics
Anonymous and substance abuse counselors to describe the recovering alcoholic
who is no longer drinking -- one who is dry, but whose thinking is clouded.
Such an individual is said to be 'dry' but not truly sober. Such an
individual tends to go to extremes.

It was when I started noticing the extreme language that colored President
Bush's speeches that I began to wonder. First there were the terms --
"crusade" and "infinite justice" that were later withdrawn. Next came
"evil-doers," "axis of evil," and "regime change," terms that have almost
become cliches in the mass media.

Something about the polarized thinking and the obsessive repetition reminded
me of many of the recovering alcoholics/addicts I had treated (a point worth
noting is that because of the connection between addiction and "stinking
thinking," relapse prevention usually consists of work in the cognitive area).

Having worked with recovering alcoholics for years, I flinched at the
single-mindedness and ego and ethnocentricity in the President's speeches (my
husband likened his phraseology to the gardener character played by Peter
Sellers in the movie, Being There). Since words are the tools -- the
representations -- of thought, I wondered what Bush's choice of words said
about where he was coming from. Or where we would be going.

First, in this essay, we will look at the characteristics of the so-called
"dry drunk" -- then we will see if they apply to this individual, our
president -- and then we will review his drinking history for the record.

What is the dry drunk syndrome?

"Dry drunk" traits consist of:

Exaggerated self-importance and pomposity
Grandiose behavior
A rigid, judgmental outlook
Impatience
Childish behavior
Irresponsible behavior
Irrational rationalization
Projection
Overreaction

Clearly, George W. Bush has all these traits except exaggerated
self-importance. He may be pompous, especially with regard to international
dealings, but his actual importance hardly can be exaggerated. His power, in
fact, is such that if he collapses into paranoia, a large part of the world
will collapse with him. Unfortunately, there are some indications of paranoia
in statements such as the following:

"We must be prepared to stop rogue states and their terrorist clients before
they are able to threaten or use weapons of mass destruction against the
United States and our allies and friends." The trait of projection is
evidenced here as well, projection of the fact that we are ready to attack
onto another nation which may not be so inclined.

Bush's rigid, judgmental outlook comes across in virtually all his speeches.
To fight evil, Bush is ready to take on the world, in almost a Biblical
sense. Consider his statement with reference to Israel: "Look my job isn't to
try to nuance. I think moral clarity is important ... this is evil versus
good."

Bush's tendency to dichotomize reality is not on the Internet list above, but
it should be, as this tendency to polarize is symptomatic of the classic
addictive thinking pattern. I describe this thinking distortion in 'Addiction
Treatment: A Strengths Perspective' as either/or reasoning -- "either you are
with us or against us." Oddly, Bush used those very words in his dealings
with other nations. All-or-nothing thinking is a related mode of thinking
commonly found in newly recovering alcoholics/addicts. Such a worldview traps
people in a pattern of destructive behavior.

Obsessive thought patterns are also pronounced in persons prone to addiction.
There are organic reasons for this due to brain chemistry irregularities;
messages in one part of the brain become stuck there. This leads to maddening
repetition of thoughts. President Bush seems unduly focused upon getting
revenge on Saddam Hussein ("he tried to kill my Dad"), leading the country
and the world into war, accordingly.

Grandiosity enters the picture as well. What Bush is proposing to Congress is
not the right to attack on one country but a total shift in military policy:
America would now have the right to take military action before the adversary
even has the capacity to attack. This is in violation, of course, of
international law as well as national precedent. How to explain this
grandiose request? Jane Bryant Quinn provides the most commonly offered
explanation in a recent Newsweek editorial, "Iraq: It's the Oil, Stupid."
Many other opponents of the Bush doctrine similarly seek a rational motive
behind the obsession over first, the war on terror and now, Iraq. I believe
the explanation goes deeper than oil, that Bush's logic is being given too
much credit; I believe his obsession is far more visceral.

On this very day, a peace protester in Portland held up the sign, "Drunk on
Power." This, I believe, is closer to the truth. The drive for power can be
an unquenchable thirst, addictive in itself. Senator William Fulbright, in
his popular bestseller of the 1960s, 'The Arrogance of Power,' masterfully
described the essence of power-hungry politics as the pursuit of power; this
he conceived as an end in itself. "The causes and consequences of war may
have more to do with pathology than with politics," he wrote, "more to do
with irrational pressures of pride and pain than with rational calculation of
advantage and profit."

Another "dry drunk" trait is impatience. Bush is far from a patient man: "If
we wait for threats to fully materialize", he said in a speech he gave at
West Point, "we will have waited too long." Significantly, Bush only waited
for the United Nations and for Congress to take up the matter of Iraq's
disarmament with extreme reluctance.

Alan Bisbort argues that Bush possesses the characteristics of the "dry
drunk" in terms of: his incoherence while speaking away from the script; his
irritability with anyone (for example, Germany's Schroeder) who dares
disagree with him; and his dangerous obsessing about only one thing (Iraq) to
the exclusion of all other things.

In short, George W. Bush seems to possess the traits characteristic of
addictive persons who still have the thought patterns that accompany
substance abuse. If we consult the latest scientific findings, we will
discover that scientists can now observe changes that occur in the brain as a
result of heavy alcohol and other drug abuse. Some of these changes may be
permanent. Except in extreme cases, however, these cognitive impairments
would not be obvious to most observers.

To reach any conclusions we need of course to know Bush's personal history
relevant to drinking/drug use. To this end I consulted several biographies.
Yes, there was much drunkenness -- years of binge drinking starting in
college, at least one conviction for DUI in 1976 in Maine, and one arrest
before that for a drunken episode involving theft of a Christmas wreath.
According to J.D. Hatfield's book, 'Fortunate Son,' Bush later explained:

"[A]lcohol began to compete with my energies ... I'd lose focus." Although he
once said he couldn't remember a day he hadn't had a drink, he added that he
didn't believe he was "clinically alcoholic." Even his father, who had known
for years that his son had a serious drinking problem, publicly proclaimed:
"He was never an alcoholic. It's just he knows he can't hold his liquor."

Bush drank heavily for over 20 years until he made the decision to abstain at
age 40. About this time he became a "born again Christian", going as usual
from one extreme to the other. During an Oprah interview, Bush acknowledged
that his wife had told him he needed to think about what he was doing. When
asked in another interview about his reported drug use, he answered honestly,
"I'm not going to talk about what I did 20 to 30 years ago".

That there might be a tendency toward addiction in Bush's family is indicated
in the recent arrests or criticism of his daughters for underage drinking and
his niece for cocaine possession. Bush, of course, deserves credit for his
realization that he can't drink moderately, and his decision today to
abstain. The fact that he doesn't drink moderately may be suggestive of an
inability to handle alcohol. In any case, Bush has clearly gotten his life in
order and is in good physical condition, careful to exercise and rest when he
needs to do so. The fact that some residual effects from his earlier
substance abuse -- however slight -- might cloud the U.S. President's
thinking and judgment is frightening, however, in the context of the current
global crisis.

One final consideration that might come into play in the foreign policy realm
relates to Bush's history relevant to his father. The Bush biography reveals
the story of a boy named for his father, sent to the exclusive private school
in the East where his father's reputation as star athlete and later war hero
were still remembered. The younger George's achievements were dwarfed in the
school's memory of his father. Athletically he could not achieve his father's
laurels, being smaller and perhaps less strong. His drinking bouts and lack
of intellectual gifts held him back as well. He was popular and well liked,
however. His military record was mediocre as compared to his father's as
well. Bush entered the Texas National Guard. What he did there remains
largely a mystery. There are reports of a lot of barhopping during this
period. It would be only natural that Bush would want to prove himself today,
that he would feel somewhat uncomfortable following, as before, in his
father's footsteps. I mention these things because when you follow his
speeches, Bush seems bent on a personal crusade. One motive is to avenge his
father. Another seems to be to prove himself to his father. In fact, Bush
seems to be trying somehow to achieve what his father failed to do -- to
finish the job of the Gulf War, to get the "evildoer" Saddam.

To summarize, George W. Bush manifests all the classic patterns of what
alcoholics in recovery call "the dry drunk". His behavior is consistent
with barely noticeable but meaningful brain damage brought on by years of
heavy drinking and possible cocaine use. All the classic patterns of
addictive thinking that are spelled out in my book are here: the tendency
to go to extremes (leading America into a massive 100 billion dollar
strike-first war); a "kill or be killed mentality;" the tunnel vision; "I" as
opposed to "we" thinking; the black and white polarized thought processes
(good versus evil, all or nothing thinking). His drive to finish his father's
battles is of no small significance, psychologically.

If the public (and politicians) could only see what Fulbright noted as 'the
pathology in the politics'. One day, sadly, they will.

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#296 From: "Virato" <virato@...>
Date: Mon Oct 21, 2002 10:50 pm
Subject: Protests Gather Steam Online virato
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Locals Support National Peace Rally, October 26

Asheville, NC--In support of the rallies nationwide this Saturday, Oct, 26, local anti-war activists, supporting a "make love, not war" attitude with placards, and flyers will be gathering in Pack Place, Asheville, NC at 10 AM, rain or shine. At least one TV network is coming, as well as the Asheville daily Citizen-Times. Participants in this rally have been asked to bring posters and flyers as large, and has many as possible with the simple words, "Make love, Not war," in any color and any size. Word has it that a local printer is donating a 100 ft. piece of newsprint for a sign!

Those with bull horns and local bands are also invited. Over 1,000 people are expected to gather. This will be a peaceful protest, and every concerned and caring human, regardless of age, is invited. The gathering is expected to last until 3 PM. Again, rain or shine. Let us, "make love, not war"

Sponsored by Asheville Magazine.

October 26 Anti-war, Peace Rallies Gaining Force

by Andy Furillo, October 19, 2002
Knoxville News-Sentinel, Knoxville, Tennessee

If it was a mass movement that protested the war in Vietnam, it is a massive movement that is taking shape to oppose a possible war on Iraq. [It worked then, and it will work now.]

Beyond the tens of thousands who marched in the streets of yesteryear, it is hundreds of thousands who already are signing petitions, writing letters and e-mails and meeting in person with decision makers of the modern day.

Huge demonstrations such as the ones scheduled for Oct. 26 in Washington and San Francisco are still a staple of protest in the 21st century. But this also is a day of mass mobilization made easier, with organization as simple as pushing the "send" button on the home computer. Leaders are everywhere and nowhere. "I was in demonstrations during the Vietnam War, and in a way, the only thing we had
was to get out there in numbers," said Mary Lord, director of the "peace building unit" for the American Friends (Quakers) Service Committee in Philadelphia, PA. "Some of that is still needed --the sense of people being together is important. But with the Internet, you can see what people are doing locally. You can have a million people doing events. Before, all that went on under the radar screen."

With the war drums sounding in the background, activists are contacting neighbors on local list-servers and turning out hundreds for peace marches. Organized efforts are resulting in hundreds of thousands of people petitioning elected representatives in Washington for peace, supporters say. In one recent fund-raising phenomenon, anti-war activists raised $1 million in 48 hours for four candidates who voted
against the resolution granting President Bush the power to attack Iraq unilaterally.

Polls show the public backing the president by nearly a 2-1 margin, although the support drops to less than 50 percent in some surveys when details such as the possibility of mass U.S. casualties are factored in. And the Senate and House supported the war powers resolution in even greater numbers than they did prior to the Persian Gulf War, after Iraq had already overrun Kuwait.

But activists still believe they are having some impact on the president's policies, pointing to the administration's agreement to seek the congressional resolution at all after arguing earlier that it wasn't necessary.

Kevin Sheridan, spokesman for the Republican National Committee in Washington, said "it is their prerogative" for anti-war activists to think they are influencing the president, and he conceded that "maybe they turned a vote or two in the House on the Democratic side" last week in the war powers debate.

But the lopsided votes in Congress for the president--77 to 23 in the Senate, and 296 to 133 in the House--and the similar margins reflected in public opinion polls show that war protesters aren't convincing America that Bush is on the wrong path, according to Sheridan. "Clearly, the people of the United States are behind us on this issue--taking a strong stand against Iraq and seeing that Saddam Hussein does not use weapons of mass destruction, and that he does not obtain nuclear weapons," Sheridan said. "Obviously, there is going to be with any chance of war, a segment of the American population that is going to oppose it. Certainly we are respectful of that. But the president believes the security of the American people and the world is at issue here."

Today's anti-war activism flows from what has become a semi-permanent infrastructure of protest--a "culture of protest," as Sheridan called it. The Quaker-based "Friends" date back to World War I. Peace Action, with 80,000 members and a chapter in Sacramento, has been active since the Gulf War. Then there are the thousands of Vietnam War-era protesters who have remained active on local issues and who are turning out to assist the new movement, organizers say. There is an element of facelessness to today's opposition, thanks to the Internet.

The Rev. Jesse Jackson, former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and other recognized protest leaders have lent their names to the Oct. 26 marches in San Francisco and Washington, which organizers hope will attract 150,000. "We're getting barraged," said Richard Becker, the western regional coordinator for
International ANSWER, which is organizing the protests. "We can't handle the volumes of calls, e-mails, people coming in to volunteer to help."

See:

http://www.internationalanswer.org/

http://www.unitedforpeace.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=438
http://www.iacenter.org/o26_intl.htm
http://www.iacenter.org/o26-buildup.htm
http://newfrontier.com/aha/Asheville-News.htm

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#293 From: viziondanz@...
Date: Mon Oct 21, 2002 12:31 pm
Subject: Fwd:Be afraid, Mr. Bush - we will resist and topple your kind viziondanz
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http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/10.21D.morse.add.me.htm#

Add Me to Your Lists

by Alan Morse

CommonDreams.org

Saturday, 19 October, 2002

Add me to your lists Mr. Bush.

Send my name to Mr. Ashcroft. Forward it to the FBI, the local police, the INS and the IRS.

Make sure your Secret Service takes note.

Copy my name to every blacklist, enemies list, security list, and watch list your scribes scribble.

While you detain activists at airports, I am ashamed to travel unchallenged.

While you abduct untold, unnamed foreign-born Americans, I am ashamed to sleep in my own bed.

While you steal food, not just rights, from millions of families, I am ashamed to eat.

I am ashamed to wear new clothes; ashamed to drive; ashamed to share ill-gotten wealth with your kind; even ashamed I can provide better for my little daughter than almost any father on earth.

I am not a threat to you, but I stand with billions. God is not on my side–or yours–but the best traditions of freedom, right, and non-violent resistance are with me. I stand alongside the Senator your intern calls senile. I stand with the Congresswoman your operatives unseated in the primaries. I stand with the loud but lonely voices of those in print and broadcast media who are not afraid to challenge you. I stand with the growing number of principled government clerks who quietly undermine you. I stand with countless noble people across the world who are no longer cowed by bully-America.

I am but one speck you can blow aside, but even your family and friends can’t ignore legions of us. In your ignorance, you have wakened forces that will bring you down.

You remind me of forgotten traditions: ancestors who fought non-violently for peace in eighteenth century Virginia; antecedents who broke nineteenth century laws to help slaves to freedom; parents’ siblings who aided conscientious objectors during World War II; my own non-violent resistance to Vietnam, and more recently, to Reagan’s adventures in Nicaragua.

Your adept predecessors persuaded with honey and intelligence, but your ignorance now shakes us. For that, and for that alone, I thank you. Now we will resist and topple your kind.

You have guns, bombs, but we have the power of non-violent resistance. Those who read know that firepower is laughable in the face of such force. Be afraid, Mr. Bush, and all who serve yourselves in backing this fragile regime, for you have germinated the seeds of your downfall.

We do not threaten your person or your pathetic toys, but we will cast you on the trash-heap of history. You can lead only by our consent...that, you have squandered.

Add me to your lists, Mr. Bush. I may be insignificant, but wait. I have time, history, and numbers on my side, and I am not the tiniest bit afraid of you.

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Alan Morse lives in Phillips, Maine. Email: amorse@...

(In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.)
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/10.21D.morse.add.me.htm#

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#292 From: "Virato" <virato@...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 6:15 am
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#291 From: "Virato" <virato@...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 4:24 am
Subject: Global warming boosts crops, cuts nutrients virato
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From: Rosemarie Nadelen

Subject: Fw: Global Warming Boosts Crops, Cuts Nutrients

Greetings,
I thought you would be interested in this.

WASHINGTON, DC - Global warming could increase rice, soybean and wheat production in some areas, but the greater plant growth could also hurt the nutritional value of the crops, Ohio researchers said.

The nutritional quality declines because while the plants produce more seeds with higher levels of carbon dioxide, the seeds themselves contain less nitrogen, said Peter Curtis, professor of evolution, ecology and organic biology, Ohio State University.

Carbon dioxide is a heat-trapping greenhouse gas linked to automobile exhaust and other fossil fuels. Some scientists expect the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere to significantly rise over the next few decades.

A gradual increase in the earth's temperature is feared to have many harmful effects, including melting glaciers, raising sea levels and destroying some wildlife habitats.

"If you're looking for a positive spin on rising carbon dioxide levels, it's that agricultural production in some areas is bound to increase," Curtis said. "Crops have higher yields when more carbon dioxide is available, even if growing conditions aren't perfect."

But while there may be more food, it may not be as nutritious, Curtis said.

"The quality of the food produced by the plant decreases, so you've got to eat more of it to get the same benefits," Curtis said. "Under the rising carbon dioxide scenario, livestock - and humans - would have to increase their intake of plants to compensate for the loss."

Curtis and other researchers pulled together data from 159 similar studies from the past two decades to determine the effects of climate change on plant reproduction. They analyzed the ways plants respond to carbon dioxide through flowers, fruits, fruit weight, number of seeds, and the plant's capacity to reproduce.

Individual crops varied in their response to higher carbon dioxide levels.

Rice was the most responsive with its seed production increasing an average of 42 percent. Soybeans showed a 20 percent increase in seed, followed by wheat with 15 percent, and corn with 5 percent, Curtis said.

Even though seed size increased, the amount of nitrogen in the seeds didn't. Nitrogen levels fell by an average of 14 percent across all plants except cultivated legumes, such as peas and soybeans, the research showed.

For example, the total number of seeds in wheat and barley plants increased by 15 percent, but the amount of nitrogen in the seeds declined by 20 percent.

"That's bad news," Curtis said. "Nitrogen is important for building protein in humans and animals. If anything, plant biologists want to boost the levels of nitrogen in crops."

Story Date: 9/10/2002

"Let food be your medicine, and your medicine be your food"

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#290 From: "Virato" <virato@...>
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#289 From: tatsjazz@...
Date: Tue Oct 15, 2002 11:46 am
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www.davidicke.com

I have read some of his work. He believes that the Illuminata are controlled by a reptilian race that lives in the hollow center of the earth.
He may be right. Who can tell?
Very heady stuff....not for everybody. He is a crusader.

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#288 From: "Virato" <virato@...>
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I am just finishing I Am Me, I Am Free by Icke....

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Hello Virato, it's nice to see that their are others interested in David Icke. He has a new interview out, talking about his new book,Alice In Woderland and the 9/11 Disaster. Interesting to read. the other book he has out is The Greatest Secret, which is reveiling. Interesting stufff to take in. Cathy

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#287 From: "Virato" <virato@...>
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Hi,

Would you like to be on Network TV? This is for real.

On Friday, October 25, FOX-TV is coming to do a small feature on me in Black Mountain. The subject is Tantra. To find out more about the subject see http://newfrontier.com/nepal

I am seeking a few attractive men and women who would like to be in the video shoot. If you are interested e-mail me. See my other media apperances at http://www.newfrontier.com/nepal/media2.htm

The Nepal Institute is located between Black Mtn and Lake Lure off Rt. 9, 4 miles from the Light Center and 5 miles form EarthHaven. The hot tub will be fired up! Party afterward!

Blessings & Love,

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#286 From: UnTamedPony@...
Date: Tue Oct 15, 2002 10:35 pm
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Hello Virato,
         it's nice to see that their are others interested in David Icke.
He has a new interview out, talking about his new book,Alice In
Woderland and the 9/11 Disaster. Interesting to read. the other book he
has out is The Greatest Secret, which is reveiling. Interesting stufff
to take in.

   Cathy

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#285 From: "Virato" <virato@...>
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Have you ever heard of the Brit, David Icke? It's all about the Illuminati. I would love some dialogue on this guy. One of his books is called, "I Am Me, I Am Free."

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#284 From: viziondanz@...
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Subject: Re: Fwd: REGIME CHANGE IN THE United States of America -a proposal to the UN viziondanz
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Date: 15/10/2002 00:40:55 GMT Daylight Time
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"why do we allow it?" seems the question Kevin Annet
saw as missing. the
article said why US regime change is needed but the
title intimated promise of
how we could change it. "why we allow it" should at
least point to what we
need to change if not reveal exactly how. and yeah,
them elites in all
countries, but particularly in NY & London or thru
London, use their financial
to influence with either the promise to invest or the
threat to withdraw
capital.

So demanding a Tobin Tax-like control on international
capital flows could
give us democratic controls providing we move to
assert democracy at the
same time. And we are the engine enabling their little
game they play with our
lives and play real hard on the lives of 3rd worlders
(of course, they're
insatiable and so creating the disparities of one big
third world). Isn't this
tho
where they have us all by the proverbial balls? Their
hoarding and wasteful
commercial practices create scarcity, they comandeer
nature for its bounty
and herd us all onto their cement making us so
desparate we'll work for
McPeanuts. They got the middle class in a consumer &
pharmaceutical trance
and the poor numbed and neutralized AND marginalized
on illegal drugs,
and've pickled the whole mix of us in alcohol.

But I think it should be coming obvious to all (except
the US libertarians and
their ilk) that their industry and their
infrastructure (the fossil
fuel-driven
transpartation system) is destabilizing our climate to
the point throwing off
fertility completely and accelerating desertification
towards a mass famine we
and our Earth may not have the energy to recover from.
Of course, that is if
those lying bastards (US rightwingnuts) don't blow us
all up first.

Unfortunately, it's usually not until pots are empty
that people start banging
them and making themselves heard en masse. The problem
is the rest of the
world starves before we in the developed countries get
hit. But a comparative
look at this last growing season to previous can tell
us we're all going to get
hit and bit in the ass faster than most anyone would
like to think. The lying
American bastards will pacify the 3rd world with bombs
and clamp down on
the rest of us for "our" own collective security.

Why i keep saying "lying" American bastards is, like
all of us here, growing
real tired of the media accepting their calling
anything the want to attack "Al
Qaida". The western-imposed desparation on
particularly the Muslim world
whose defensiveness naturally turning violent.
Globalization and its
concommitant War of Terror is turning the screws on
the world's peoples. If
you back any being with its survival instinct intact
into a corner, it will
come out
fighting no matter what odds it's facing. huh, maybe
that's what's wrong with
us. TV and this baby's busybox of pap adult culture
has burned out our
adrenals that kept our responses hooked up to our
senses. sitting zombified
in front of TV violence is unnatural without that
disconnection made. A friend
of mine went to a movie in Haiti and said people
responded viscerally to
everything, yelling standing up and even throwing
stuff at the screen.

Myself, i've been to Bali and around Indonesia, love
the island and its
people. My sense is bombing Kuta Beach reflects more
of a local and
longstanding grievance with the Aussies, who generally
just go to Kuta to
party and surf. I was almost a month on the island
before seeing any Aussies
or Americans. I found that very odd. Then my
traveler's checks were stolen
when i got to my first real touristy place, Ubud, so
off i went to the Amex
office
in the Hilton at Sanur. Sanur is where most of the big
resort hotels are. It's
like
a big oasis of American culture, so the cult-programed
yanks don't get
disoriented and dizzy. Of course, it was full of
Americans. After replenishing
my checks i went to Kuta as it had been years since i
surfed. Kuta has a year-
round "spring-break" feel to it--wild, in the drunk
and testosterated sense.
And
there were all the Aussies. Whenever the US kills
people in Afghanistan, they
instantly become "Al Qaida". "Al Qaida" makes killing
and attacking OK. The
whole world knows Saddam is not a threat and has no
links and even strong
ideological differences with Al Qaida, yet the US
media steadily mainlines into
the publics arm the lies of the Bush admin, with its
conversion of oiligarch
and
zionist and electoral interests. So "how" do we change
this when the ever so
lucky misadministration even has a sniper protecting
Washington from
demonstrations? Any Ideas? Nick

--- In All_Freedom@y..., anotherfellowtr@w... wrote:
> All perfectly reasonable, and logical to me. Where
do I sign?
>
> Little or nothing was said of the near-total, in
practical terms, of
> the control of world finances and all
effect-and-pressures used to
> manipulate. One enables and feeds the other. From
partial or complete
> destabilizing of weaker country-after-country, and
it's crushing of
> social spirit as well as substance...and the
intimidation-bullying
> threats to do the same to literally EVERY other
country on earth.
> Armed and financial bullying, threat,
intimidation/reward is the full
> and only existing extent and practice of US
Corporate-Governmental
> diplomacy and neighborliness.
> Is THIS the peoples' government, the country, the
world we want, is
> this the kind of society we would design, we work
for, we would build?
> If not, why do we allow it?

From: "insteadofwar" <insteadofwar@y...>
Date: Sun Oct 13, 2002 6:40 pm
Subject: [All_Freedom] Re: {{â€}} Fwd: REGIME CHANGE
IN THE United States of America -a proposal to the UN
To: all_freedom@yahoogroups.com

Here's a local guy, ex-united church minister, ex'ed
for helping the
natives, who then wrote, Hidden From History, about
the Canadian
Holocaust. i like how he asks this. want to reply
here, but not so
much with answers.

http://www.grassrootsnews.mb.ca/rice.html

--- In awarcomp@y..., "Kevin Annett"
<kevin_annett@h...> wrote:
This reminds me of the line in Monty Python's Life of
Brian when the
head of
the Judean Peoples' Front releases the "demands" of
their tiny
grouplet:

"Right, we are calling for the dismantling of the
entire Roman
Imperialist
Apparatus within a week."

Reality check? Who is going to mount such actions
against the USA?

Caiomhin

>From: viziondanz@t...
>Reply-To: awarcomp@y...
>To: studentsnowar@y...
>Subject: {{â€}} Fwd: REGIME CHANGE IN THE United
States of America -
a
>proposal to the UN
>Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 03:31:39 EDT
>
>
>FROM:
>fraser@p... (Fraser Clark - The Parallel
YOUniversity)
>
>A PROPOSAL TO THE UNITED NATIONS
> From A Concerned Planetary Citizenry
>for
>
>WHAT THE UNITED NATIONS MUST DO
>Rather than adopting the suggested regime change in
Iraq, the United
>Nations must instead consider an entirely different
course of
action, one
>that is based upon the facts alone, rather than
political pressure.
The
>primary regime which needs to be changed is the one
found in
Washington DC.
>The greatest tyrant and true threat to world peace
who needs to be
ousted,
>is George W. Bush and the gang around him.
>The facts which clearly show the need for such a
resolution are self
>evident... they demonstrate a "clear and present
danger" to the
world
>community. The clique which has seized control in
America clearly
aspires
>to global domination through the use of the most
expensive and high
tech
>weapons of mass destruction the world has ever known.
>
>In demonstration of the above assertions, let us be
very clear about
>Americaâ€™s $300 billion+ annual military budget
which includes:
>
>1) Atomic and hydrogen bombs.
>
>2) The "Star Wars" weaponry of space satellites, and
laser devices.
>
>3) A host of biological weapons including anthrax,
which it has used
on its
>own citizenry and manufactured in its own
laboratories.
>
>4) Guided missile cruisers, Stealth bombers and
aircraft carriers
conveying
>the most advanced air-based offensives ever to be
used in the
history of
>mankind.
>
>5) Depleted uranium munitions, used repeatedly upon
countries such as
>Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq, causing birth
defects and lingering
>mutilation of civilian populations.
>
>6) The use of spies, covert CIA operatives and other
agents, as well
as a
>barrage of propaganda which seeks to weaken,
overthrow and exploit
the
>sovereign nations of the world, primarily for the
sake of installing
>pro-U.S.-corporate puppets who will do Washington's
bidding.
Americaâ€™s
>staging of countless internal rebellions and coups
within dozens of
>countries in the last five decades and always in the
name
of "democracy" is
>well documented and known. The real motive is, of
course, unfair
economic
>advantage and bottomless greed.
>
>7) Nerve gas, tear gas, blistering agents,
neurotoxins and poisonous
>compounds of all kinds.
>
>8) "Smart" bombs", "Bunker Buster" bombs, "Daisy
Cutter" bombs,
mines and
>laser or satellite guided munitions.
>
>9) Teams of special forces troops whose missions are
designed for
>assassination, covert mass-murder and maximised
destruction.
>
>The United States possesses, and has openly discussed
using, such
weapons
>of mass destruction upon those nations listed in
George Bushâ€™s so-
called
>"axis of evil" list, as well as many others which it
says, "harbour
>terrorists". The so-called "War on Terror" targets
Libya, Yemen,
Saudi
>Arabia, North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan,
Pakistan, Indonesia,
>Columbia, Nicaragua and many others. Upon these
nations the U.S. has
>repeatedly issued a series of very aggressive and
threatening
statements to
>the effect of; "You are either with us or against
us", implying dire
>consequences of economic, diplomatic and military
measures in the
event of
>non-compliance.
>
>The United States has openly discussed the
possibility of a "first
strike"
>use of conventional nuclear warheads, and "tactical
nukes" on the
>battlefield. Its' military policy of, "win no matter
what the cost
of
>truth or human lives", as a surrogate for sane
foreign relations, has
>earned the wrath of the world. U.S. belligerency has
been a major
>contributor to international hostilities,
instability, war and the
creation
>of reactionary terrorist groups, as well as the
oppression of peoples
>worldwide. Its irrational posture threatens to
catapult the world
into
>another, and probably final, world war.
>
>The United States has repeatedly shown its
willingness to target
civilian
>populations with weapons of mass destruction,
especially via the
>carpet-bombing of cities and infrastructures. It is
the only nation
to
>have ever used nuclear devices in war, and upon
civilian targets.
Among
>the structures bombed have been desalinisation
plants, water
treatment
>facilities, police stations, electrical substations
and generators,
radar
>and communications stations, hospitals, highway,
railway and other
>transportation facilities, factories for the
manufacture of metal,
plastic
>and wood products, and numerous other civilian
centres. Countless
examples
>of this behaviour have been witnessed in both Iraq
and Afghanistan.
The
>result has been millions of Iraqi and Afghan children
dying of
unnecessary
>diseases and malnutrition, due to a severe lack of
food and safe
drinking
>water. U.S. allies such as Israel, (whose military
might it makes
>possible) have also exhibited such behaviour, as has
Great Britain,
through
>constant urging toward mindless, mutually
accomplished war frenzies.
>
>The United States has, as its primary export,
weaponry of mass
destruction,
>including so-called "conventional" weapons such as
guided missile
cruisers,
>bombers, small arms, mortars, rockets, tactical
advisors, self guided
>missiles, attack helicopters, high tech surveillance
and imaging
systems,
>tanks, explosives and various other tools design
primarily for the
sake of
>destroying human life.
>
>The United States also has a list of other exports
such as multi-
lingual
>propaganda, biological agents, tear and nerve gas,
atomic weapons
and their
>constituents, as well as technical advice regarding
their
construction,
>maintenance and use. The U.S. has frequently urged
countries to use
these
>weapons against each other so long as it benefited
its political
interests,
>while simultaneously criticising those who use them
without American
>sanction.
>
>
>PERMANENT STATE OF WAR
>The United States has repeatedly told its own
citizenry to expect
>involvement in what amounts to a Permanent State of
War, due to
the "War on
>Terror". A large and increasing number of foreign
nationals are
being held
>in American prisons unlawfully, often without
charges, legal due
process or
>access to legal counsel. These persons are often
subjected to
>psychological and physical torture. Its' Afghan
prisoners of war in
Cuba
>are treated without dignity, in violation of the
Geneva Convention.
At the
>same time, the U.S. has insisted that its military
personnel must be
held
>exempt from war crimes charges by the international
community,
regardless
>of their actions.
>
>The United States repeatedly defies the resolutions
and authority of
the
>United Nations, making it clear that it views this
body as merely a
tool it
>can occasionally use to achieve its special
interests. America has
also
>made underlined, with or without the international
community/United
>Nations, it will act on its own in whatever manner it
sees fit,
including
>pre-emptive military invasion of any country which
opposes it.
>
>The international community must seriously ask
itself, "Who's next?".
>
>For these and other reasons, it is proposed that:
>
>A United Nations resolution be created for the
purpose of disarming
and
>otherwise rendering harmless the major threat to
world peace which
The
>United States has become. Toward this end the
necessity of ousting
its
>current dictator, George W. Bush, and the
>legislative bodies of that government which currently
parrot him
without
>serious debate, is self evident.
>
>The functional means necessary to achieve this goal
are hereby
>suggested. They include;
>
>1) Economic sanctions and trade tariffs to undermine
the U.S.
economy,
>thereby depriving its monstrous military apparatus of
the necessary
life
>blood to function.
>
>2) The insistence of a complete withdrawal of all
U.S. military
forces from
>wherever they may be stationed around the world,
including in
conquered
>countries (such as Afghanistan).
>
>3) The elimination of world petroleum exports to the
United States,
as well
>as the necessary raw materials which make it's
industrial-military
>apparatus possible.
>
>4) The withdrawal of foreign investment in U.S.
companies, and their
>various enterprises. This includes the cancelling of
existing
contracts
>with U.S. companies, especially those involved with
the extraction of
>petroleum, the mining of precious metals,
deforestation, sweat shop
>industries of clothing, plastics, electronics and
other manufacture,
as
>well as other vital resources from lands not within
their
territorial
>domain.
>
>5) That U.S. military and civil leaders, especially
George W. Bush
and his
>entire cabinet, be brought to justice for their
heinous
participations in
>war crimes and crimes against humanity, by the
international
courts. World
>leaders must understand that no one country can both
make the rules
and
>break them, when it comes to international justice.
ASSASSINATION
OF BUSH
>OR ANY OF HIS CRONIES IS SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED.
>
>6) The use of joint military force, if necessary, to
curb, restrict
and
>otherwise prevent the American advance toward world
domination.
America
>must be deprived of what it most desires, which are
the resources of
others
>to fuel an extravagant lifestyle, and the support of
bribed or
bullied
>foreign leaders to accomplish a singularly selfish,
unilateral
agenda.
>
>The international community, and the peoples of the
world, finding
current
>American attitude and behaviour unacceptable, will no
longer be
coerced or
>made to feel insecure in their own places of
residence and worship,
at the
>behest of American whims and schemes.
>http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CON210A.html
>
>
>â€œThe Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of
any significance
in the
>major media.â€? William Colby, former CIA Director.
>UP!
>
>

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#282 From: "Virato" <virato@...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 2:04 pm
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Livea Cherish" <LiveaCherish@...>
To: <virato@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 6:30 PM
Subject: Reverberations


> Beloved friends,
> My last email, Peace and Peas, has caused a bit of a stir with some of the
first few people who responded! This, in turn, has stirred ME up enough that
I want to use some of my time off today to respond. I'll make it brief.
>
> 1) I am not the enemy.
>
> 2) Neither is Michael Moore or his movie.
>
> 3) If you want to have an enemy at all you're barking up the wrong bush.
(Ha ha! I didn't mean that pun, honest!)
>
> 4) We're all in this together, and there are some challenges we need
solutions for.
>
> 5) The reason I shared my enthusiasm about Bowling for Columbine is
because:
>
> a: It brings stuff to the surface. It sort of pulls out all the ostrich
heads that are buried in the sand, and it does this gently enough so that it
just may not turn off middle America before they GET it. Get what? Get that
our country has strayed from its high ideals and is, in fact, in pretty
serious trouble.
>
> b: It asks a needed question: Why do we have so much violence in our
country? And why do we have so much MORE violence than so many other
countries?
>
> c: It starts to answer those questions. It does a lot to expose what could
be causing some of our major problems. You may have to listen to it pretty
carefully though, without judgments until the very end of the movie (maybe
even watch it twice, like I did). Otherwise you most surely will NOT get the
message.
>
> d: I don't know how to gain peace except by first looking at what's IN THE
WAY of peace. Michael definitely shows some of what's in the way. He doesn't
show it all, and may not even know it all, but he does a good job of showing
some issues that we may want to explore further.
>
> If we don't know (or admit) what's happening in the world, how can we know
what's needed to solve some of those problems? I'm not really in favor of
the ostrich philosophy.
>
> Someone said that it's a violent movie, but that's not true (I actually
went back to see it a second time to make sure). It has some memory scenes
of Columbine and quick shots of scenes from our violent society, but only
real life scenes like what see on television every day... The movie is about
asking the question: WHY are we so violent in our country? Why do things
like school shootings, mass murders and sniper rampages happen in our
country and not in others? This is a question that should be of concern to
every single one of us--ostriches included.
>
> Someone indicated that Michael was anti-gun. That is not true, though he
is not at all fond of Charlton Heston (is that his name?), the main pusher
of the NRA (National Rifle Association). Michael did say that it's pretty
crazy to have guns lying around in the reach of children and with people as
crazed with fear as they are today, but he is definitely not anti-gun. He
even reported on several other countries that have many more guns per capita
than we do, but their gun-violence quotient is way lower than ours. If you
were to watch just the first half hour of the movie, you would probably
think he is anti-gun. But not so. Not even close!
>
> It may be difficult for first-impression judgers to hit on what Michael is
really trying to say. He sort of pulls your leg like he's trying to get you
to agree with one thing, then later he turns right around and disproves what
you THOUGHT he was trying to convince you of earlier. I'm not sure if he
does this on purpose or through weak or clever scripting. He looks like this
big clumsy klutzy guy, but actually, I THINK he's way more clever than that.
So don't get caught in the judgment trap too early! If you continue to look
deeper and listen right through to the end of this movie, you'll discover
that he leaves most questions asked but not answered... he leaves that to
the viewer. Good call, Michael!
>
> Michael asks this prime question: WHY does our country have 11,127 gun
murders in one year when in the same year other countries had 39 (Japan), 65
(Australia), 68 (UK), or 165 (Canada)? He keeps asking that same question
and shows real-life American situations that might help us to come up with
answers for ourselves.
>
> Actually, it was only two people (so far) who said mean things to me about
Michael, and it was only one person who said mean things about me because I
like Michael; but somehow it felt like ten! It didn't feel helpful toward
the cause of peace! I just now checked last-minute emails to make sure no
one else is fussing at me before I send this--and everyone else has said
only nice things. WHEW! I'm so relieved! It is certainly not my intention to
instigate arguments over the internet!
>
> I think I'll include part of the latest nice letter at the bottom...
>
> I'm sure this movie will be ABOUT different things to different people.
For me, it helped me to gain a deeper understanding of what's happening in
our society. If we want to change our world for the better, the first item
on our agenda could be to make an effort to understand what's happening.
That's what I feel this movie helps us to do.
>
> (And, yes, I am well aware of the layer of control beyond the government.
But when you're trying to wake up middle America, you don't talk about that
yet. Not until they've gotten the stuff that has to come before that.)
>
> Have those who objected to this man and his movie, SEEN it yet? I'm sure
you haven't, because opening night in LA and NY was just a few hours before
I received those criticisms from Utah and Hawaii. I think the two people who
responded so angrily 1) hadn't seen it yet, 2) have taken some first
impression and made instant judgments on it/him, 3) have some unresolved
misdirected anger. Michael IS a controversial kind of guy--that's part of
why I like him. I don't require that someone be RIGHT all the time or be
thin or dress correctly for me to enjoy them.
>
> One guy accused me of being part of a "left wing lunacy". I don't even
know the diff between a left wing and a right wing! Why are they called
wings anyway? Don't ya need two of them to fly?  Sorry, I'm just not very
political.
>
> Which leads me to my second issue of the evening. One friend has said (and
I'm sure that many of us think) that it's useless to vote anyway. As my
friend says "Communication hasn't helped in the past, so why try it now!"
because we can't do anything about the overloarding control system anyway. I
have just one short paragraph to say about that.
>
> I think it's time that we can all look at this issue again. Times ARE
changing. Things are better (and worse, yes) than ever. Our frequency is
higher. We manifest more quickly. We have the internet; we can communicate
almost instantly. When we petition or contact our elected reps, we can do it
in HUGE numbers. There are no secrets any more. (Well, there are still a few
more to come out, but we know what they're going to be.) Remember that the
zit has to come to the surface before it can be released. I feel that this
is the time--the last fling hey-day for society's Zits.
>
> My job is to spread information. I am of the opinion that knowledge is
power, although sometimes it may cause an emotional reaction first...
>
> My good friend in Hawaii, in total faith in me and what I said, forwarded
my previous letter to her friends. In return she got one pretty hostile
note, which did not feel good to her (or to me), so she sent another note of
her own to apologize to her friends for sending my letter in the first
place. The following is part of one of the letters my friend received in
reply.
>
> "No offense taken here.... I like radical, provocative and dramatically
dissenting points of view. I like movie artists who risk making us
uncomfortable by reminding us that we are walking naked thru life pretending
a royal robe..
>
> "I tend to be a bit irritated by those sweet peace nicks who only want to
see love and light and who refuse to look the pain, death and lies of the
earth straight in the eyes.
>
> "I notice that when I am not willing to see the lies in the world, then I
am not able to see the lies in me. If I don't see the lies in me how can I
BE a true agent of peace...
>
> "Thanks for taking the risk. No apologies necessary. I am responsible for
my own response. You may have unknowingly supported others in their
expanding awareness in ways that may not be fully apparent yet."
>
> Thank you, D & A!
>
> Now I'm going to get out of this political thing and get back to simple
things. Tomorrow I want to mail you something I've been trying to get out
for weeks and weeks! See you then...
>
> Love and lightening bolts... Livea
>
>
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#281 From: viziondanz@...
Date: Mon Oct 14, 2002 3:27 am
Subject: 'The hijacking of America' viziondanz
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Eric Margolis: 'The hijacking of America'
Posted on Sunday, October 13 @ 09:02:13 EDT
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But now many conservatives are speaking up against U.S. foreign policy

By Eric Margolis, Toronto Sun

LOS ANGELES -- The United States Congress has spoken. Not with a roar, but with a whimper, handing President George W. Bush a blank cheque to go to war against Iraq because of the "imminent threat" it supposedly poses to America. One is reminded of the revolting spectacle of Roman senators groveling at the feet of emperor Tiberius.

The notion of Iraq, a demolished nation of 22.3 million posing an "imminent threat" to the United States, a nation of 281 million, is ludicrous. In fact, anti-Saddam Kurds and southern Shia Muslims comprise 17.7 million, or 79%, of Iraq's population, leaving only 4.6 million Sunnis who more or less support the regime. That's about the population of Hong Kong.

But a steady drumbeat of bellicose propaganda, pressure from powerful special interests thirsting to destroy Iraq, and election year politics have combined to stampede Congress and many Americans into believing this grotesque, Orwellian fiction.

Illustrating war fever in Washington and the growing irrationality of the White House, President Bush last week compared his impending jihad against Iraq to the 1962 Cuban missile crisis, and himself to John F. Kennedy. I was in Washington during the Cuban crisis and vividly recall its drama and dangers. The Soviets had nuclear-tipped missiles ready to strike the U.S. What the U.S. faces with Iraq - which has no long-range missiles or other delivery systems for bulky chemical munitions or highly complex systems for dispensing germs - is nothing comparable. And George W. Bush is no John F. Kennedy.

Not content with this silly comparison, Bush went on to actually claim Iraq was poised to attack the United States using remotely piloted aircraft guided from Baghdad, a mere 13,000 km away. Bush must have cribbed this preposterous fantasy from Dr. Fu Manchu and His Drones of Death. In the mighty U.S., long-range drones are still in the testing stage. The claim that Iraq has perfected such sophisticated technology - which extensively uses satellite guidance - and can remotely pilot an ancient crop duster from Baghdad to New York is laughable.

Last week, CIA Director George Tenet took the courageous step of publicly refuting Bush's claim that Iraq was an imminent threat. Tenet's unprecedented rebuke was a warning to America, but it also signalled the deep resentment felt in the U.S. intelligence community over the way Israel's intelligence service, Mossad, and its American helpers, have become the White House's primary source of decision-making information on Iraq, Palestine, Iran and Afghanistan.

Attacked and denounced

Tenet was immediately attacked and denounced by pro-Israel commentators, though a number of senior Israeli officers have echoed Tenet's assertions that there was no immediate risk from Iraq unless it is invaded.

Meanwhile, another revolt has erupted, this time in conservative ranks. A new magazine, The American Conservative, was launched in Washington this month. Created by veteran politician Patrick Buchanan, columnist Taki, and former New York Post editor Scott McConnell, the magazine features hard-hitting attacks by noted Republican theorist Kevin Phillips; Justin Raimondo, editor of the excellent Web site, antiwar.com; and pieces by Buchanan, Peter Brimelow and this writer on Bush's promotion of war psychosis and the corruption of the conservative movement.

Phillips sums up the reasons for the rebellion, accusing the Bush administration of representing "the economics of privilege, the foreign policy of war, and the culture of guns and Sun Belt fundamentalism."

Phillips rightly blames the meltdown of the U.S. stock markets on an "Enron-Armageddon fusion." The Bush administration, writes Phillips, "mixes greed, inept economic management, business corruption, crony capitalism, triumphalist Pentagon sabre-rattling and Axis of Evil foreign policy theology on a scale that already boggles foreign commentators."

Many traditional conservatives are now accusing neo-conservatives and Christian fundamentalists of having hijacked not only the conservative movement, but U.S. foreign policy as well. Neo-conservatives are militant ideologists representing the views of Ariel Sharon's far-right Likud Party in Israel (though by no means the views of all Israelis).

These neo-cons view the world through the lens of what they deem is good for Israel and bad for its enemies and, accordingly, are pressing the U.S. into a war against much of the Muslim world. In many ways, these war-lusting neo-cons are the mirror image of Osama bin Laden and his anti-western al-Qaida movement. Both want an all-out clash of civilizations and religions.

Varying views

It's harder to say what America's conservative rebels represent: their views vary greatly from Buchanan-like neo-isolationists to European-style conservatives like myself who are strict with public finances but liberal on social issues. But the conservative rebels are united on one point: the burn-Baghdad neo-cons and religious Sun Belt Armageddonites like Jerry Falwell do not speak for America's mainstream conservatives.

True conservatives hark back to two leaders of great moral stature, honesty, and true patriotism, men who bore the American flag inside their hearts, not on their lapels: President Dwight Eisenhower and Sen. Barry Goldwater.

Sadly, the conservative revolt is probably too late. Rather than face a collapsing stock market and enraged voters, President Bush has chosen to distract them with a jolly little war against a nation that cannot effectively fight back.

Eric can be reached by e-mail at margolis@....

Copyright � 2002, CANOE, a division of Netgraphe Inc.

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#280 From: "Rollings, Ryan" <Ryan.Rollings@...>
Date: Mon Oct 14, 2002 12:39 pm
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Very, very, very well written.

Ryan  E. Rollings

"Success is not the result of spontaneous combustion; you must set yourself
on fire." -- Neil Peart


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From: Kiann ! [mailto:kiann@...]
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 9:54 AM
To: asheville@yahoogroups.com
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I tend to trust people -- but I am not a fool.
My experience tells me that people will sometimes surprise me by doing
things I didn't expect and probably would have never done myself...
...so as not to sound too pessimistic I should also say that I am also
occasionally surprised by just how wonderfully spectacular people are
capable of being.

While some people will go that extra mile to help out a stranger or a
friend -- others are just as likely to be capable of committing
underhanded, heartless acts.

I am not a fool, I know this.
I do not live in fear, nor to I suspect most people -- but I do protect that
which is most important to me because I know (from experience) that some
people may have a hidden agenda.

I do believe that money and power can push people into (what most of us may
consider) immoral acts -- so I don't generally believe TV commercials,
politicians, preachers, or salespeople.

I do not live in fear that my government may unleash smallpox on us -- but I
am not a fool -- I have experience with the Military, I know they have an
agenda the rest of us probably don't agree with...
...I would not be surprised.

We are seen as dumb masses of sheep -- and our politicians believe they are
our shepherds.  They feel that they know what is best for the masses -- but
they also believe we are too dumb (or ignorant)  to be capable of
understanding the larger picture as they see it.  They therefore tell us
things they think we *can* understand in order to appease us -- and have the
ad council persuade us into how we should view the world -- I'm not
paranoid, but I'm not a fool.

I'm not going to speculate as to what the hidden agenda is -- I don't know,
and I don't think it is my life's mission to uncover it.  I am reasonable
sure there is a hidden agenda though...
...but I will just live my life the best I can, taking on those causes that
are closest to my heart, speaking my mind and my heart to my local leaders
(even when I'm the only one doing so), and voting my instincts in every
election -- Libertarian whenever possible.

Well that's me speaking my mind.
Thanks for hanging in this long and hearing me.

Kiann !



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To: <asheville@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 6:48 PM
Subject: RE: ((Asheville Magazine)) Pass it on


I am quite sure that the author of this trash, and anyone who supports his
/her ideals, should immediately contact a physician.

Paranoia is an unfounded or exaggerated distrust of others, sometimes
reaching delusional proportions. Paranoid individuals constantly suspect the
motives of those around them, and believe that certain individuals, or
people in general, are "out to get them."

In regard to Joe's claims that the US Government is ready to unleash
smallpox on it's own population I say - If you cannot identify the
difference between insane rambling and rational thought I hope find the help
you need. You are the type of person I am trying to protect my children
from.

Ryan

"VISION IS THE ART OF SEEING THINGS INVISIBLE"  - JONATHAN SWIFT





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#279 From: "Kiann !" <kiann@...>
Date: Sun Oct 13, 2002 1:53 pm
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I tend to trust people -- but I am not a fool.
My experience tells me that people will sometimes surprise me by doing
things I didn't expect and probably would have never done myself...
...so as not to sound too pessimistic I should also say that I am also
occasionally surprised by just how wonderfully spectacular people are
capable of being.

While some people will go that extra mile to help out a stranger or a
friend -- others are just as likely to be capable of committing
underhanded, heartless acts.

I am not a fool, I know this.
I do not live in fear, nor to I suspect most people -- but I do protect that
which is most important to me because I know (from experience) that some
people may have a hidden agenda.

I do believe that money and power can push people into (what most of us may
consider) immoral acts -- so I don't generally believe TV commercials,
politicians, preachers, or salespeople.

I do not live in fear that my government may unleash smallpox on us -- but I
am not a fool -- I have experience with the Military, I know they have an
agenda the rest of us probably don't agree with...
...I would not be surprised.

We are seen as dumb masses of sheep -- and our politicians believe they are
our shepherds.  They feel that they know what is best for the masses -- but
they also believe we are too dumb (or ignorant)  to be capable of
understanding the larger picture as they see it.  They therefore tell us
things they think we *can* understand in order to appease us -- and have the
ad council persuade us into how we should view the world -- I'm not
paranoid, but I'm not a fool.

I'm not going to speculate as to what the hidden agenda is -- I don't know,
and I don't think it is my life's mission to uncover it.  I am reasonable
sure there is a hidden agenda though...
...but I will just live my life the best I can, taking on those causes that
are closest to my heart, speaking my mind and my heart to my local leaders
(even when I'm the only one doing so), and voting my instincts in every
election -- Libertarian whenever possible.

Well that's me speaking my mind.
Thanks for hanging in this long and hearing me.

Kiann !



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Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 6:48 PM
Subject: RE: ((Asheville Magazine)) Pass it on


I am quite sure that the author of this trash, and anyone who supports his
/her ideals, should immediately contact a physician.

Paranoia is an unfounded or exaggerated distrust of others, sometimes
reaching delusional proportions. Paranoid individuals constantly suspect the
motives of those around them, and believe that certain individuals, or
people in general, are "out to get them."

In regard to Joe's claims that the US Government is ready to unleash
smallpox on it's own population I say - If you cannot identify the
difference between insane rambling and rational thought I hope find the help
you need. You are the type of person I am trying to protect my children
from.

Ryan

�VISION IS THE ART OF SEEING THINGS INVISIBLE�  - JONATHAN SWIFT

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#278 From: UnTamedPony@...
Date: Sun Oct 13, 2002 1:18 pm
Subject: RE: ((Asheville Magazine)) Pass it on wildhorse001
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Hi everyone!

          Alot of people my think that is off the wall, but to think back
in our passed and how our government lied and treated the Native
Americans, sending them small pox in the blankets they gave to them,
This government is being to pushy now when it comes to the small Pox
vacc, it's like they know when it's going to happen. Now they are trying
to get the states to pass this Law....M.S.E.H.P.A...........
   This was drafted by the C.D.C. and promoted to the states by the Dept.
of H.H.S.
     This Model State Emergency Health Powers Act is going to take our
freedom of choice away!!!!! BIG TIME!!!!!!!
         When Federal and state public health officials convince your
Governor to dclare a "public health" emergency, they want to be able o
use the "state militia" to......
       Take control of all the roads leading into and out of your cities
and state;
        seize your
house,car,telephones,computers,food,fuel,clothig,firearms and alcoholic
beverages for their own use (and not be held liable if these actions
result in te destruction of your personal property);
        arrest,imprison and forcibly examine, vaccinate and medicate you
and your children without your consent (and not be held liable if these
actions result in your death or injury).

       This law has been passed here in S.C. under the gize of the
homeland security, and in 11 different states. N.C. has not passe it
YET, but they are looking into it.

     here are 2 good sites to find out more information on this
M.S.E.H.P.A.

       http://www.aapsonline.org
       http://www.909shot.com

       We as a free nation and people have the right to choose, with this
MSEHPA, we have NO RIGHTS!

     Thank You for your time.
        Cathy Green

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#277 From: UnTamedPony@...
Date: Sun Oct 13, 2002 2:05 pm
Subject: Re: ((Asheville Magazine)) NESARA- Important Information wildhorse001
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Hi Kiann!

   There are many sites you can find just by going to search and writing
in NESARA.
    I will give you one that many would concider "off the wall" but has
some interesting insites and alot of info on NESARA.
   www.fourwinds10.com

NESARA is real and we the people deserve it! heres some back ground
info..

       In early 1993, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled on charges by the
Farmers' Union that banks in the U.S. were fraudulently foreclosing on
farm mortgages and that the U.S. government was in collusion with these
banks. The testimony and proof brought into court by a retired CIA agent
led to further evidence and proof that the Farmers' Union claims were
legitimate. It also led to evidence the income tax amendment was never
properly ratified by the required number of states and therefore, income
taxes were unlawful.
Almost unanimously the U.S. Supreme Court Justices ruled in favor of the
Farmers' Union. The Justices recognized that overwhelming evidence
proved the U.S. government and the Federal Reserve Banking system were
perpetrating fraud in many ways upon Americans. The Justices recognized
that to remedy this situation, massive reformations would be required.
When rulings are made by the U.S. Supreme Court, one or more Justices
are assigned to monitor a process by which the rulings are carried out.
In this case, five Justices were assigned to a committee to develop
steps to implement required government and banking reformations. As the
Justices went about developing the required reformations they enlisted
the help of experts in economics, monetary systems, banking,
Constitutional government and law, and many other related areas. The
Justices built coalitions of support and assistance with thousands of
people worldwide; these thousands of people working to bring us NESARA
have been named "White Knights". The term "White Knights" was borrowed
from the world of big business when a vulnerable company is "rescued
from a hostile takeover" by a White Knight corporation or wealthy
person. Certainly, these people fighting to bring Americans and the
world the benefits of NESARA and to rescue our people from government
and banking fraud deserved to be called "White Knights".

    I hope this will help.
   Have a great day Kiann!!!!

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#276 From: "Virato" <virato@...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 12:16 am
Subject: Asheville Magazine NEWS virato
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We are updating our news section in Asheville Magazine and we would like your input...

See http://www.newfrontier.com/aha/Asheville-News.htm and please send, or direct us news stories that would be of interest to our readers. We require sources, and we prefer those news items that are not time dated, or those of events unless something about them is really news worthy... Also we prefer not to make news of something that has not yet occurred unless it, in itself, is newsworthy.

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#274 From: "Kiann !" <kiann@...>
Date: Sat Oct 12, 2002 7:11 pm
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Sounds great -- but I would like to close on my house first :-)

Seriously -- do you have any links?

Kiann

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Subject: ((Asheville Magazine)) NESARA- Important Information

To all who may be concerned, THE National Economic Stabilization And Recovery Act People this is so important! This is a Bill that can change so much for all the people! I will give you the basic's but you need to do your own research and pass this information on to as many people you can! This Bill will....... Cancel all Morgage Debts Cancel all Credt Card Debts Abolish The IRS, in it's place a national 14% Sales Tax, but Clothing, food and medications are exempted! Abolish The Federal Reserve and become The Tresaury Banking Reserve Controlled by the PEOPLE! (The Federal Reserve is not owned by the Government, It is privately owned!) Please look into this, ask why this BILL has not been brought to the PEOPLES ATTENTION! Thank you for your Time

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#248 From: "Virato" <virato@...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 7:00 pm
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THE MAN WHO IS TAKING THE WORLD INTO ANOTHER WAR ...
"I first of all, there's a lot of brains in this room. And you get to decide whether there's a brain drain in Russia. I tell Vladimir all the time -- I mean, Mr. President all the time -- that Russia's most precious resource is the brain power of this country. And you've got a lot of it. It's going to take a lot of brains in Russia to create a drain." ~George W. Bush, St. Petersburg University, St. Petersburg, Russia, May 25, 2002	My administration has been calling upon all the leaders in the -- in the Middle East to do everything they can to stop the violence, to tell the different parties involved that peace will never happen." ~George W. Bush, Crawford, Texas, Aug, 13, 2001 "One of the great things about books is sometimes there are some fantastic pictures." ~George W. Bush	"This administration is doing everything we can to end the stalemate in an efficient way. We're making the right decisions to bring the solution to an end." ~George W. Bush, April 10, 2001 "A low voter turn-out is an indication of fewer people going to the polls." ~George W. Bush,
"I am here to make an announcement that this Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly out of Ronald Reagan Airport." ~~~ George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Oct. 3, 2001		"I do think we need for a troop to be able to house his family. That's an important part of building morale in the military." ~George W. Bush, speaking at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida, March 12, 2001
"I am mindful of the difference between the executive branch and the legislative branch. I assured all four of these leaders that I know the difference, and that difference is they pass the laws and I execute them." ~George W. Bush, Dec. 20, 2000	"Mars is essentially in the same orbit ... Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe." ~George W. Bush, August 11, 1994	"The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century." ~George W. Bush, September 15,1995

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#245 From: terrinm@...
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Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:35 PM

To: 'asheville@yahoogroups.com'

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If you can properly reference and prove half of the "Isn't that strange" comments I'll retract my statement.

"Success is not the result of spontaneous combustion; you must set yourself on fire." -- Neil Peart

-----Original Message-----
From: Virato [mailto:virato@...]
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 3:20 PM
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I agree it is sickening. It makes me sick to see Americans hoodwinked!

Only someone brainwashed by American capitalist politicians, and propaganda mongers would see it the way Ryan sees it.

I now hope I have stirred more debate and discourse. Are you lemmings?

J. Charles Banks,

Editor and Publisher,

Asheville Magazine

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Subject: RE: ((Asheville Magazine)) Asheville Magazine

This is a sickening article. The author is obviously retarded.

"Success is not the result of spontaneous combustion; you must set yourself on fire." -- Neil Peart

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FROM: ASHEVILLE MAGAZINE

See http://newfrontier.com/asheville

We don't get political...too often...but....

Did you know that... we supported Bin Laden and the Taliban for years, and
viewed them as freedom fighters against the Russians?

Isn't that strange?

As late as 1998, the US was paying the salary of every single Taliban
official in Afghanistan?

Isn't that strange?

There is more oil and gas in the Caspian Sea area than in Saudi Arabia,
but you need a pipeline through Afghanistan to get the oil out.

Isn't that strange?

UNOCAL, a giant American Oil conglomerate, wanted to build a 1000 mile
long pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan to the Arabian Sea.

Isn't that strange?

UNOCAL spent $10,000,000,000 on geological surveys for pipeline
construction, and very nicely courted the Taliban for their support in
allowing the construction to begin.

Isn't that strange?

All of the leading Taliban officials were in Texas negotiating with UNOCAL
in 1998.

Isn't that strange?

1998-1999 the Taliban changed its mind and threw UNOCAL out of the country
and awarded the pipeline project to a company from Argentina.

Isn't that strange?

John Maresca VP of UNOCAL testified before Congress and said no pipeline
until the Taliban was gone and a more friendly government was established.

Isn't that strange?

1999-2000 The Taliban became the most evil people in the world.

Isn't that strange?

Senior American officials in mid-July told Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani
Foreign Secretary, that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead
by the middle of October.

Isn't that strange?

9/11 WTC disaster...

Bush goes to war against Afghanistan even though none of the hijackers
came from Afghanistan.

Isn't that strange?

Bush blamed Bin Laden but has never offered any proof saying it's a "secret".

Isn't that strange?

Taliban offered to negotiate to turn over Bin Laden if we showed them some
proof. We refused; we bombed.

Isn't that strange?

Bush said: "This is not about nation building. It's about getting the terrorists."

Isn't that strange?

We have a new government in Afghanistan.

Isn't that strange?

The leader of that government formerly worked for UNOCAL.

Isn't that strange?

Bush appoints a special envoy to represent the US to deal with that new
government, who formerly was the "chief consultant to UNOCAL".

Isn't that strange?

The Bush family acquired their wealth through oil?

Isn't that strange?

Bush's Secretary of Interior was the President of an oil company before
going to Washington.

Isn't that strange?

George Bush Sr. now works with the "Carlysle Group" specializing in huge
oil investments around the world.

Isn't that strange?

Condoleezza Rice worked for Chevron before going to Washington.

Isn't that strange?

Chevron named one of its newest "supertankers" after Condoleezza.

Isn't that strange?

Dick Cheney worked for the giant oil conglomerate Haliburton before becoming VP.

Isn't that strange?

Haliburton gave Cheney $34,000,000, as a farewell gift when he left
Haliburton.

Isn't that strange?

Haliburton is in the pipeline construction business.

Isn't that strange?

There is $6 Trillion dollars worth of oil in the Caspian Sea area.

Isn't that strange?

The US government quietly announces Jan 31, 2002 we will support the
construction of the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline.

Isn't that strange?

President Musharref (Pakistan), and Karrzai, (Afghanistan...ex-Unocal)
announce agreement to build the proposed gas pipeline from Central Asia to
Pakistan via Afghanistan.

Isn't that strange?

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#244 From: "Virato" <virato@...>
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The NY Times story about Asheville is now in Asheville Magazine.

See http://www.newfrontier.com/asheville/NY_Times_story_9802.htm

Tell your friends....

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#243 From: "Virato" <virato@...>
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NEWS ITEM

ASHEVILLE MAGAZINE

Virato, Editor

Asheville has been in the major media 7 times this past year. Today (Sunday, September 8, 2002) , Asheville, NC made the Travel feature section NY TIMES:

In Asheville
By Rick Mashburn

Asheville, N.C., is experiencing a boom not seen since the 1920's, when Thomas Edison and Henry Ford enjoyed good hotels set in some of the highest mountains on the East Coast. Part of this city of 68,000 people looks much as it did in that early heyday: downtown boasts more than 170 vintage buildings, including a stock of distinctive Art Deco and Gothic Revival structures.

This fall brings the long-delayed reopening of the 1929 Grove Arcade Public Market, which will house 42 apartments, 60,000 square feet of office space and, eventually, 52 businesses with an emphasis on local foods and handicrafts. Businesses are moving in gradually, and there should be 30 in place by the grand opening Nov. 2. When three new restaurants open nearby, diners will have some 50 downtown spots to choose from. Antiques shops and art galleries dominate several streets. Hip notes are provided by offbeat coffee houses, two microbreweries, popular nightclubs, an art-film house and a thriving bookstore.

Asheville seems increasingly to appeal to the young and energetic, people who go hiking, rock climbing or mountain biking in a nearby national forest, then come back for a smoked-trout burrito and a night of music. On the other hand, the Spa at Grove Park Inn and the Inn on Biltmore Estate have made the city more accommodating to those with an interest in being pampered.

Asheville's population has risen more than 25 percent in the past two decades. Longtime residents complain about traffic and rising prices, but the buzz about the city may continue to create attractions for visitors. City leaders have turned their attention to the riverfront, where artists and craftsmen are moving into old warehouses and an abandoned racetrack has been turned into the 33-acre French Broad River Park.

Events

No event draws more of a crowd than the annual turning of the leaves, which begins late this month at higher elevations and continues in the valleys through early November. The city's visitors bureau keeps tabs on the best places for leaf spotting and posts weekly reports with suggestions for drives at www.exploreasheville.com and (800) 921-9698.

Forest Festival Day takes place Oct. 5 at the Cradle of Forestry in America, site of the nation's first forestry school, open from 1898 to 1913. Present-day forestry students from four schools will compete at ax throwing, speed chopping, log rolling and tree climbing. Also scheduled are local string bands and demonstrations of homesteading skills. About 30 miles southwest of Asheville on Highway 276. Admission is $5; information: (828) 877-3130.

The Lake Eden Arts Festival, Oct. 18 to 20, brings world music and dancing to a boys' summer camp at Black Mountain, about 12 miles east of Asheville. The lineup includes groups from Senegal, Ireland and Australia. All-night drumming sessions are held around a bonfire. Tickets for the weekend, including camping, are $85 in advance, $100 after Sept. 18; one-day passes are $23 to $35, depending on time of purchase and day of attendance; discounts for youths from 10 to 17, free for children under 10. Information: (828) 686-8742 or www.theleaf.com.

Lake Eden was once the home of the experimental Black Mountain College, a gathering of such innovators as Buckminster Fuller and Merce Cunningham. There, in 1952, John Cage presented his Theater Piece No. 1, now considered the first multimedia happening. Its anniversary is celebrated Sept. 19 to 22 with Under the Influence, a series of performances, installations and workshops in Asheville and nearby. Tony Conrad, a pioneer of minimalist music, appears Sept. 20; Pauline Oliveros combines electronic music, improvisation and ritual on Sept. 21. Both concerts at 8 p.m., Lipinsky Auditorium, University of North Carolina at Asheville. Tickets are $12. Information: (828) 299-9306 or www.blackmountaincollege.org.

Sightseeing

A boy on stilts and two bronze pigs are among the 27 sculptures on the Asheville Urban Trail, a recently completed 1.7-mile meander through the architecture, history and culture of downtown. Audio cassettes for visitors who want to take a walking tour are available for $5 at the Asheville Art Museum, 2 South Pack Square; guided tours, Saturdays at 3 p.m. through November, are also $5. Call (828) 258-0710 for tour reservations or a brochure with map.

The beautifully restored Grove Arcade Public Market, 1 Page Avenue, (828) 252-7799, is worth a visit even apart from the 33 shops, stalls and restaurants that will be opening this fall. A grand opening will be held Nov. 2 with a circus, fireworks and local bluegrass music. Returned to its original use, this Gothic Revival fantasy is elaborately decorated with gargoyles, rams' heads and entwined hearts, both inside and out. Two six-foot-tall griffins stand guard over the north entrance.

Biltmore House, the 250-room estate of George Vanderbilt completed in 1895, was modeled after Loire Valley chateaus and is filled with European furnishings and art, including eight 16th-century Flemish tapestries. It is surrounded by 250 acres of gardens and grounds designed by Frederick Law Olmsted, plus 8,000 acres of woodland, farmland and vineyards. Open daily 8:30 a.m. to 5 p.m. Admission to house, gardens and winery is $34. Information: (800) 543-2961; www.biltmore.com.

The new Explore Biltmore Estate program allows visitors to see its scenery and wildlife by bicycle, kayak, raft, horse, carriage or on foot. Two-hour guided trips on the gentle French Broad River are $25 (plus the regular admission fee of $34); horseback riding is $45 an hour. A regular ticket can be extended to a second day for $8. Call (888) 428-8260.

Asheville is easy to get out of. The billboard-free Blue Ridge Parkway skirts the eastern and southern edges of the city on its way from the Shenandoah National Park in Virginia to the Great Smoky Mountains National Park, about 85 miles west of Asheville. Along the 469-mile scenic highway are trails, picnic areas, campgrounds and dozens of places to stop and gaze at the layers of blue ridges. Information: (828) 298-0398; www.blueridge parkway.org.

Another way to tour the countryside is to visit craftsmen who open their studios to the public. A good place to start is the Penland School of Crafts, about an hour north of town. Open Tuesday to Saturday, 10 a.m. to 5 p.m., and from noon on Sunday; (828) 765-6211.

Where to Stay

Rates are based on double occupancy and do not include a 10.5 percent tax.

A downtown setting and unusually large rooms are the appeal of Haywood Park Hotel, 1 Battery Park Avenue, (800) 228-2522, fax (828) 253-0481, www.haywoodpark.com. Originally a department store, the hotel has 33 rooms and suites, most with a vaguely Deco feel. Rates: $175 to $190 with Continental breakfast delivered to the room.

Deep in a high forest 10 miles from downtown is the handsome Sourwood Inn, 810 Elk Mountain Scenic Highway, (828) 255-0690, fax (828) 255-0480; www.sourwoodinn.com. The cedar and stone Arts and Crafts-style building seems much older than its four years. The 12 guest rooms are simply furnished, some with quilts, rag rugs and wicker furniture. Each room has its own balcony, fireplace and deep tub with a view. Rates: $140 to $170, including tax and full breakfast. Closed January and weekdays in February.

Budget: Recently renovated, the 149-room Best Western, 22 Woodfin Street, (828) 253-1851, fax (828) 252-9205, is within walking distance of downtown attractions. Rooms are standard motel style. Rates: $79.95 to $109.95, with Continental breakfast.

Luxury: The Grove Park Inn, 290 Macon Avenue, (828) 252-2711, fax (828) 253-7053, www.groveparkinn.com, has recently redone 344 of its 510 rooms and suites. They are now much more in keeping with the hotel's 1913 Arts and Crafts origins, yet have CD players and microwave ovens. The spa, with six pools and 24 treatment rooms, has become an attraction unto itself. The lobby's huge stone fireplaces and the long view from the veranda's rockers remain as appealing as ever. Rates: $209 to $429; suites start at $599.

The Inn on Biltmore Estate, 1 Antler Hill Road, (828) 225-1660, fax (828) 274-6396, www .biltmore.com, overlooks a valley, with Biltmore House rising through hills three miles away. The 213-room hotel, opened in 2001, is a starker, modernized interpretation of the mansion. Rooms are small but attractively furnished with tall carved beds and lush, richly colored fabrics. Rates: $149 to $369.

Where to Eat

Savoy Cucina Italiana, 641 Merrimon Avenue, (828) 253-1077, is Asheville's restaurant of the moment. It specializes in seafood with an Italian flair, like grilled mahi-mahi on a crisp Parmesan capellini cake, topped with calamari arrabiata. Despite being in a former gas station, Savoy is elegant, with Tuscan colors and touches of copper and wrought iron. A meal for two with wine is about $150. Lunch Tuesday through Friday; dinner daily.

Zambra, 85 West Walnut Street, (828) 232-1060, is a tapas bar offering creative Gypsy cuisine. The colorful, cavernous space has keyhole-shaped doorways and plush banquettes stacked with pillows. Among 18 tapas on a recent menu was an artichoke stuffed with pistachio and eggplant caviar. A meal for two with wine is about $85. Evenings only, Tuesday through Saturday.

Tupelo Honey, 12 College Street, (828) 255-4863, serves Southern food, often with an unusual twist. Collard greens are seasoned with toasted garlic and soy, and cornbread is dotted with candied ginger. The banana pudding, strictly traditional, sells out fast. The place resembles an old-fashioned tearoom, with ceiling fans and fluttering curtains. Dinner for two with wine is about $50. Breakfast and lunch Tuesday through Sunday; dinner Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Breakfast is served all day, and long into the night on weekends, when the place stays open till 3.

Freshness is the appeal of Early Girl Eatery, 8 Wall Street, (828) 259-9292, named for a tomato popular with gardeners. The long list of vegetables may include baked lima beans and squash casserole. Entrees like roast chicken with herb gravy are straightforward and flavorful. The uncluttered dining room is decorated with jars of home-canned vegetables and plants hanging in the windows. Dinner for two with wine is about $50. Breakfast and lunch weekdays; brunch Saturday and Sunday; dinner Tuesday through Saturday.

Among the side-by-side restaurants on downtown's busiest block, the Noodle Shop, 3 Pack Square SW, (828) 250-9898, is a flavorful bargain. The bright white interior is rather sterile, but most diners prefer to sit outside on the sidewalk under an awning for people-watching. A bowl of spicy wonton soup contains fresh spinach leaves and chopped herbs. A meal for two, without drinks: about $20. Lunch and dinner daily.

Also see Asheville Magazine, http://newfrontier.com/asheville

RICK MASHBURN lives in Winston-Salem, N.C.

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#236 From: "Chuck Hunner" <hunner@...>
Date: Wed Sep 4, 2002 9:20 pm
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If you can properly reference and prove half of the "Isn't that strange" comments I'll retract my statement.

I really don’t care if you retract your statement. I am interested in the veracity of the statements made in the ‘article’. Short of examining CIA ledgers and all the ‘foreign aid’ that has flowed to Arabic countries over the last 10-20 years, it doesn’t seem possible to prove the comments. Yet there is a ring of truth to them. Smoking guns, and all that.

Did you know that... we supported Bin Laden and the Taliban for years, and
viewed them as freedom fighters against the Russians?

Isn't that strange?

It was all over the news during the aftermath of 911 that the CIA had trained Bin Laden. I can accept this as true.

As late as 1998, the US was paying the salary of every single Taliban
official in Afghanistan?

This is pretty sticky. See the following links for some hearsay evidence.

http://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/voices/200111/1127womenissues.html

“Yet the United States' interest in the rights of women in Afghanistan is blatantly insincere. The situation for women was just as unbearable last May, when the Bush administration patted the Taliban on the back for banning opium production and handed over a check for $43 million to the repressive regime. Daily Bruin (U. California-Los Angeles)
11/27/2001

There is more oil and gas in the Caspian Sea area than in Saudi Arabia,
but you need a pipeline through Afghanistan to get the oil out.

More oil yes. Through Afganistan, not exactly, but it’s the shortest route besides Iran.

UNOCAL, a giant American Oil conglomerate, wanted to build a 1000 mile
long pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan to the Arabian Sea.

This is common knowledge.

UNOCAL spent $10,000,000,000 on geological surveys for pipeline
construction, and very nicely courted the Taliban for their support in
allowing the construction to begin.

All I can find from a cursory search is a 2 billion treaty charge paid to the Taliban by UNOCAL. This next quote from the earlier source:

http://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/voices/200111/1127womenissues.html

In fact, as late as 1999, U.S. tax dollars paid the salaries of every single Taliban government official, despite full knowledge of their brutality towards women (San Francisco Chronicle, Nov. 2).

A simple glance at the true interests of the U.S. speaks for itself. In 1998, Unocal signed a $2 billion treaty with the Taliban for the construction of a natural-gas pipeline. Despite calls by human rights groups and the New York Times for Unocal to halt negotiations until the Taliban ended their cruel policies, Unocal refused to condition its renewal of pipeline efforts on such requests.

All of the leading Taliban officials were in Texas negotiating with UNOCAL
in 1998.

Interestingly, I found a reference to a bbc news article: Taliban in Texas for talks on gas pipeline", December 4, 1997 The article was ‘archived’ just after the bbc started to save it’s online articles! But! The “page is not available” if you do a search for this headline and date at the following url: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/advquery/advquery.htm

1998-1999 the Taliban changed its mind and threw UNOCAL out of the country
and awarded the pipeline project to a company from Argentina.

I’d be pissed too if I couldn’t get any more money out of the guys who’d been so easy with the bucks before!

I need to get back to work, as fun as this is to try to uncover some truth.

Fascinating that most of the claims in this “Isn’t it strange” article are also included in another plotnik, paranoid, it’s all a conspiracy site:

http://www.skolnicksreport.com/pplots1.html

Perhaps someone else will help to dig through the internet for scraps of ‘truth’. All I’ve been doing is cutting and pasting each bit of rhetoric between each isn’t that strange into the google.com search engine. If you type in Isn’t that strange you’ll find this article is several months old, hence the precise references to articles in September 2001.

May you experience deep bliss every morning and full satisfaction each evening.

Isn't that strange?

John Maresca VP of UNOCAL testified before Congress and said no pipeline
until the Taliban was gone and a more friendly government was established.

Isn't that strange?

1999-2000 The Taliban became the most evil people in the world.

Isn't that strange?

Senior American officials in mid-July told Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani
Foreign Secretary, that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead
by the middle of October.

Isn't that strange?

9/11 WTC disaster...

Bush goes to war against Afghanistan even though none of the hijackers
came from Afghanistan.

Isn't that strange?

Bush blamed Bin Laden but has never offered any proof saying it's a "secret".

Isn't that strange?

Taliban offered to negotiate to turn over Bin Laden if we showed them some
proof. We refused; we bombed.

Isn't that strange?

Bush said: "This is not about nation building. It's about getting the terrorists."

Isn't that strange?

We have a new government in Afghanistan.

Isn't that strange?

The leader of that government formerly worked for UNOCAL.

Isn't that strange?

Bush appoints a special envoy to represent the US to deal with that new
government, who formerly was the "chief consultant to UNOCAL".

Isn't that strange?

The Bush family acquired their wealth through oil?

Isn't that strange?

Bush's Secretary of Interior was the President of an oil company before
going to Washington.

Isn't that strange?

George Bush Sr. now works with the "Carlysle Group" specializing in huge
oil investments around the world.

Isn't that strange?

Condoleezza Rice worked for Chevron before going to Washington.

Isn't that strange?

Chevron named one of its newest "supertankers" after Condoleezza.

Isn't that strange?

Dick Cheney worked for the giant oil conglomerate Haliburton before becoming VP.

Isn't that strange?

Haliburton gave Cheney $34,000,000, as a farewell gift when he left
Haliburton.

Isn't that strange?

Haliburton is in the pipeline construction business.

Isn't that strange?

There is $6 Trillion dollars worth of oil in the Caspian Sea area.

Isn't that strange?

The US government quietly announces Jan 31, 2002 we will support the
construction of the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline.

Isn't that strange?

President Musharref (Pakistan), and Karrzai, (Afghanistan...ex-Unocal)
announce agreement to build the proposed gas pipeline from Central Asia to
Pakistan via Afghanistan.

Isn't that strange?

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#229 From: "Virato" <virato@...>
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 10:10 pm
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#227 From: "Jerry Hagan" <grhagan@...>
Date: Thu Sep 5, 2002 1:12 am
Subject: RE: ((Asheville Magazine)) americans are too trusting thats why they are taken for a ride so easily coastie1
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I joined this group because I thought I’d get info on Asheville, not be preached to by a liberal half-wit .

-----Original Message-----
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To: asheville@yahoogroups.com
Subject: ((Asheville Magazine)) americans are too trusting thats why they are taken for a ride so easily

look at the waste of the clinton administration dealing with all that bullshit

i'd rather the president be making love in the white house than war

Bush should be impeached right away for mis management of the nations affairs, betraying the spirit of the constution and hung out to dry for plunging the world back into another war.
:)

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#226 From: "Virato" <virato@...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 10:15 pm
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Simply research it yourself on the Internet, that is if you accept that truth over what you see on TV and read in the newspapers.

By the way, much of this is not even new news. I spend much time in Russia where it is common news that Afghanistan was getting American weapons to fight the Russians.

Maybe you might want to think again before you wave that flag....

----- Original Message -----

From: Rollings, Ryan

To: 'asheville@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:35 PM

Subject: RE: ((Asheville Magazine)) Asheville Magazine

If you can properly reference and prove half of the "Isn't that strange" comments I'll retract my statement.

"Success is not the result of spontaneous combustion; you must set yourself on fire." -- Neil Peart

-----Original Message-----
From: Virato [mailto:virato@...]
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 3:20 PM
To: asheville@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: ((Asheville Magazine)) Asheville Magazine

I agree it is sickening. It makes me sick to see Americans hoodwinked!

Only someone brainwashed by American capitalist politicians, and propaganda mongers would see it the way Ryan sees it.

I now hope I have stirred more debate and discourse. Are you lemmings?

J. Charles Banks,

Editor and Publisher,

Asheville Magazine

----- Original Message -----

From: Rollings, Ryan

To: 'asheville@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 2:52 PM

Subject: RE: ((Asheville Magazine)) Asheville Magazine

This is a sickening article. The author is obviously retarded.

"Success is not the result of spontaneous combustion; you must set yourself on fire." -- Neil Peart

-----Original Message-----
From: Virato [mailto:virato@...]
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:57 AM
To: asheville@yahoogroups.com; ashevillefriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: ((Asheville Magazine)) Asheville Magazine

FROM: ASHEVILLE MAGAZINE

See http://newfrontier.com/asheville

We don't get political...too often...but....

Did you know that... we supported Bin Laden and the Taliban for years, and
viewed them as freedom fighters against the Russians?

Isn't that strange?

As late as 1998, the US was paying the salary of every single Taliban
official in Afghanistan?

Isn't that strange?

There is more oil and gas in the Caspian Sea area than in Saudi Arabia,
but you need a pipeline through Afghanistan to get the oil out.

Isn't that strange?

UNOCAL, a giant American Oil conglomerate, wanted to build a 1000 mile
long pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan to the Arabian Sea.

Isn't that strange?

UNOCAL spent $10,000,000,000 on geological surveys for pipeline
construction, and very nicely courted the Taliban for their support in
allowing the construction to begin.

Isn't that strange?

All of the leading Taliban officials were in Texas negotiating with UNOCAL
in 1998.

Isn't that strange?

1998-1999 the Taliban changed its mind and threw UNOCAL out of the country
and awarded the pipeline project to a company from Argentina.

Isn't that strange?

John Maresca VP of UNOCAL testified before Congress and said no pipeline
until the Taliban was gone and a more friendly government was established.

Isn't that strange?

1999-2000 The Taliban became the most evil people in the world.

Isn't that strange?

Senior American officials in mid-July told Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani
Foreign Secretary, that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead
by the middle of October.

Isn't that strange?

9/11 WTC disaster...

Bush goes to war against Afghanistan even though none of the hijackers
came from Afghanistan.

Isn't that strange?

Bush blamed Bin Laden but has never offered any proof saying it's a "secret".

Isn't that strange?

Taliban offered to negotiate to turn over Bin Laden if we showed them some
proof. We refused; we bombed.

Isn't that strange?

Bush said: "This is not about nation building. It's about getting the terrorists."

Isn't that strange?

We have a new government in Afghanistan.

Isn't that strange?

The leader of that government formerly worked for UNOCAL.

Isn't that strange?

Bush appoints a special envoy to represent the US to deal with that new
government, who formerly was the "chief consultant to UNOCAL".

Isn't that strange?

The Bush family acquired their wealth through oil?

Isn't that strange?

Bush's Secretary of Interior was the President of an oil company before
going to Washington.

Isn't that strange?

George Bush Sr. now works with the "Carlysle Group" specializing in huge
oil investments around the world.

Isn't that strange?

Condoleezza Rice worked for Chevron before going to Washington.

Isn't that strange?

Chevron named one of its newest "supertankers" after Condoleezza.

Isn't that strange?

Dick Cheney worked for the giant oil conglomerate Haliburton before becoming VP.

Isn't that strange?

Haliburton gave Cheney $34,000,000, as a farewell gift when he left
Haliburton.

Isn't that strange?

Haliburton is in the pipeline construction business.

Isn't that strange?

There is $6 Trillion dollars worth of oil in the Caspian Sea area.

Isn't that strange?

The US government quietly announces Jan 31, 2002 we will support the
construction of the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline.

Isn't that strange?

President Musharref (Pakistan), and Karrzai, (Afghanistan...ex-Unocal)
announce agreement to build the proposed gas pipeline from Central Asia to
Pakistan via Afghanistan.

Isn't that strange?

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#223 From: "Virato" <virato@...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 7:19 pm
Subject: Re: ((Asheville Magazine)) Asheville Magazine virato
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I agree it is sickening. It makes me sick to see Americans hoodwinked!

Only someone brainwashed by American capitalist politicians, and propaganda mongers would see it the way Ryan sees it.

I now hope I have stirred more debate and discourse. Are you lemmings?

J. Charles Banks,

Editor and Publisher,

Asheville Magazine

----- Original Message -----

From: Rollings, Ryan

To: 'asheville@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 2:52 PM

Subject: RE: ((Asheville Magazine)) Asheville Magazine

This is a sickening article. The author is obviously retarded.

"Success is not the result of spontaneous combustion; you must set yourself on fire." -- Neil Peart

-----Original Message-----
From: Virato [mailto:virato@...]
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:57 AM
To: asheville@yahoogroups.com; ashevillefriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: ((Asheville Magazine)) Asheville Magazine

FROM: ASHEVILLE MAGAZINE

See http://newfrontier.com/asheville

We don't get political...too often...but....

Did you know that... we supported Bin Laden and the Taliban for years, and
viewed them as freedom fighters against the Russians?

Isn't that strange?

As late as 1998, the US was paying the salary of every single Taliban
official in Afghanistan?

Isn't that strange?

There is more oil and gas in the Caspian Sea area than in Saudi Arabia,
but you need a pipeline through Afghanistan to get the oil out.

Isn't that strange?

UNOCAL, a giant American Oil conglomerate, wanted to build a 1000 mile
long pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan to the Arabian Sea.

Isn't that strange?

UNOCAL spent $10,000,000,000 on geological surveys for pipeline
construction, and very nicely courted the Taliban for their support in
allowing the construction to begin.

Isn't that strange?

All of the leading Taliban officials were in Texas negotiating with UNOCAL
in 1998.

Isn't that strange?

1998-1999 the Taliban changed its mind and threw UNOCAL out of the country
and awarded the pipeline project to a company from Argentina.

Isn't that strange?

John Maresca VP of UNOCAL testified before Congress and said no pipeline
until the Taliban was gone and a more friendly government was established.

Isn't that strange?

1999-2000 The Taliban became the most evil people in the world.

Isn't that strange?

Senior American officials in mid-July told Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani
Foreign Secretary, that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead
by the middle of October.

Isn't that strange?

9/11 WTC disaster...

Bush goes to war against Afghanistan even though none of the hijackers
came from Afghanistan.

Isn't that strange?

Bush blamed Bin Laden but has never offered any proof saying it's a "secret".

Isn't that strange?

Taliban offered to negotiate to turn over Bin Laden if we showed them some
proof. We refused; we bombed.

Isn't that strange?

Bush said: "This is not about nation building. It's about getting the terrorists."

Isn't that strange?

We have a new government in Afghanistan.

Isn't that strange?

The leader of that government formerly worked for UNOCAL.

Isn't that strange?

Bush appoints a special envoy to represent the US to deal with that new
government, who formerly was the "chief consultant to UNOCAL".

Isn't that strange?

The Bush family acquired their wealth through oil?

Isn't that strange?

Bush's Secretary of Interior was the President of an oil company before
going to Washington.

Isn't that strange?

George Bush Sr. now works with the "Carlysle Group" specializing in huge
oil investments around the world.

Isn't that strange?

Condoleezza Rice worked for Chevron before going to Washington.

Isn't that strange?

Chevron named one of its newest "supertankers" after Condoleezza.

Isn't that strange?

Dick Cheney worked for the giant oil conglomerate Haliburton before becoming VP.

Isn't that strange?

Haliburton gave Cheney $34,000,000, as a farewell gift when he left
Haliburton.

Isn't that strange?

Haliburton is in the pipeline construction business.

Isn't that strange?

There is $6 Trillion dollars worth of oil in the Caspian Sea area.

Isn't that strange?

The US government quietly announces Jan 31, 2002 we will support the
construction of the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline.

Isn't that strange?

President Musharref (Pakistan), and Karrzai, (Afghanistan...ex-Unocal)
announce agreement to build the proposed gas pipeline from Central Asia to
Pakistan via Afghanistan.

Isn't that strange?

NOTE>>>NOTE>>>>NOTE

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#220 From: "Virato" <virato@...>
Date: Thu Aug 1, 2002 7:33 pm
Subject: Cravings & Addiction virato
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Evidence has shown that traditional 12 Step programs, such as Alcoholics Anonymous, and institutionalized alcohol rehab are not working to get people sober or off drugs. There are alternatives

A Cup of Tea in Black Mountain, NC offers a taste of the holistic approach.

See http://newfrontier.com/acupoftea/cravings.htm

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