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Re: [aramaic] re: Is this a valid use of Aramaic?

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From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk@...>
To: aramaic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [aramaic] re: Is this a valid use of Aramaic?
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:46:51 +0000

> On 10/02/2005 02:08, Trevor Peterson wrote:
>
> >... By
> >contrast, the he of the -yah suffix in Hebrew compounds
> > is consonantal.
> >
>
> Trevor, this one isn't actually quite true, if we are
> talking about forms found in the Hebrew Bible (including
> in the Aramaic sections e.g. Xananya and `Azarya in
> Daniel 2:17). In the Hebrew word YAH, an abbreviated form
> of YHWH most commonly found in Hallelu-Yah, the final he
> is marked with mappiq and so consonantal. But in other
> Hebrew names ending in -yah (in traditional
> transliterations), the ending has no mappiq in he and so
> the he is a silent mater, although this ending is clearly
> an abbreviation of -yahu which has a consonantal H sound.
> The only exception to this is Yedidyah in 2 Samuel 12:25,
> which has a final mappiq.

Thanks for the correction. I was thinking of the suffix on
hallelu, as well as the longer personal name component
-yahu. In the personal names with shortened form, it
probably was treated as vocalic--at least by the time of the
Masoretes--even though it was probably consonantal
originally. In any case, it's still pretty clearly a
different animal from the Aramaic gentilic ending,
particularly since even though the consonants can be more or
less interchangeable as matres lectionis, they have distinct
origins.

Trevor Peterson
CUA/Semitics



Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:50 pm

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In the article below, the Aramaic ending of the names is "ya". The RSTNE [Restoration Scriptures True Name Edition - Your Arms to Israel, Marshall...
elyonmishpat Offline Send Email Feb 10, 2005
12:57 am

I think there is a valid linguistic question here, but I would advise caution in responding. Please stick to the issue at hand and refrain from getting into...
Trevor Peterson
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Feb 10, 2005
1:03 am

... I think the answer here must be "no", even at risk of agreeing with alleged anti-semites. The Aramaic or Syriac book titles e.g. ... Romiya are clearly...
Peter Kirk
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Feb 10, 2005
1:53 am

... First, I have some suspicions about the vocalizations provided. The ending -iya that appears throughout the list departs from what what we should actually...
Trevor Peterson
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Feb 10, 2005
2:08 am

... Trevor, this one isn't actually quite true, if we are talking about forms found in the Hebrew Bible (including in the Aramaic sections e.g. Xananya and...
Peter Kirk
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Feb 10, 2005
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... From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk@...> To: aramaic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [aramaic] re: Is this a valid use of Aramaic? Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005...
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