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Question: Is it not obvious that there is truth which cannot be encapsulated in propositions? Or does the very notion of truth, once unravelled, "contain" the...
John Strong
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May 1, 2008
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There is the question of Our Lord's saying: "I am the way and the truth and the life". I take this in a literal sense. That He is the basis of truth. There is...
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Pardon the intrustion, but I don't see that understanding truth can be separated from language unless it is sufficient to separate understanding from...
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Well, if truth is accurate knowledge, then we would have to allow that animals can know truth, but animals do not have the power of speech. From:...
John Strong
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If we are concerned with the Aristotelian or Thomistic point(s) of view, then I don't think it is right to say that "explaining requires language," unless we...
Hennessey, Richard
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May 1, 2008
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On the one hand, Aristotle certainly holds that there is a reality that exists independently of our perceptions and verbalizations. For example, see his ...
DANIEL DILEO
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May 2, 2008
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There is an excellent treatment of this subject - from impression to thought to language to speech - in Stanley Rosen's book on THE SOPHIST. I think it would...
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May 2, 2008
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But does not your ending - "propositions may be authoritative without being complete or True" - contradict your statement that time has no existence prior to...
gbrlaustin
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Seems to me that the reality is probably [as usual] immensely complex, so sure, it is not *necessarily* the case that there is degradation of meaning from...
John Strong
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May 2, 2008
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This question is very easy to answer, since ST I.16.2 is specifically devoted to the question, "Whether truth resides only in the intellect composing and...
Anthony Crifasi
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May 2, 2008
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There we go. ________________________________ From: aquinas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aquinas@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Crifasi Sent: Friday, May 02,...
Hennessey, Richard
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Aquinas says in De Veritate, Question 1, art 2 Reply: "Even if there were no human intellects, things could be said to be true because of their relation to the...
Jim Ruddy
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May 2, 2008
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Truth always requires a relationship to a mind, either the divine, angelic, or human mind. As Aquinas says in STheol I, q. 16, a. 7, there are eternal truths...
Joseph Komonchak
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May 2, 2008
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Here's I Q 16 without the hyperlinks: Question 16. Truth 1. Does truth reside in the thing, or only in the intellect? 2. Does it reside only in the intellect...
John Strong
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O.k., so according to Aquinas, it makes no sense to talk about truth either in things or in the mind. Rather, it is a measure of the intellect's grasp of...
John Strong
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Not only that but Truth is that which leads to God and so if there were not a Divine Intellect there would be no definition of Truth and thus no essence of...
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In us there are two acts of the intellect: insight and judgment, and it is in the latter that truth resides. In God there is only the one act of infinite...
Joseph Komonchak
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Dear Dan and the group  While reading the Daily Digest, I came across the following statement (including the entire pericope  for context) about the...
Michael Lilly
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May 3, 2008
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... He doesn't rule that out, as is clear just one question later in ST I.17.2: Whether there is falsity in the senses? OBJ 1: It seems that falsity is not in...
Anthony Crifasi
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May 3, 2008
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Sure. I find all sorts of passages in the Summa where Aquinas addresses confusions that arise when two faculties (or powers) are working together. For...
John Strong
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I don't believe that Aquinas thought that the senses can be mistaken. jak ... From: John Strong To: aquinas@yahoogroups.com Cc:...
Joseph Komonchak
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An apprehension cannot be mistaken, but a judgment can. Would you agree that truth is in the senses only insofar as the senses "participate" in the judgment of...
John Strong
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Yes, it is the mind that makes a judgment on the basis of what the senses deliver. The stick in the water is seen as bent, because that is how it registers on...
Joseph Komonchak
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May 3, 2008
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... That isn't what he says in (ST I.17.2): "Falsity is not to be sought in the senses except as truth is in them. Now truth is not in them in such a way as...
Anthony Crifasi
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May 3, 2008
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Exactly. It makes no sense to talk about truth or falsity of an apprehension (apprehendio). The apprehension of a bent stick is what it is. You might say, to...
John Strong
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May 3, 2008
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Anthony, as usual you are so prolific that you are stressing my bandwidth (forgive the engineering metaphor). Skimming your post I see some very interesting...
John Strong
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Put it this way [I am looking out my window]: no amount of discourse [speech] and no amount of words will capture the thing that is a blossoming apple tree....
gbrlaustin
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May 3, 2008
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Or as formulated by Msgr. Ronald Knox: " There was a young man who said "God Must find it exceedingly odd To think that the tree Should continue to be When...
gbrlaustin
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May 3, 2008
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"The stick is seen as bent" - this is a true report of the sense. That the stick is not bent is another matter. Leaving the stick in the water and, closing...
gbrlaustin
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May 3, 2008
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I just wanted to run something by?on this. If I am seeing something like the color red?then my apprehension of my seeing red cannot be mistaken if it appears...
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