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Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Steiner, Plato, Golden Mean and the Fibonacci Series

 

Kim, this is all fascinating. I am glad you shared it. After reading about the Fibonacci triangle and then seeing the diagram of it, my mind went immediately to a triangle at the entrance to the Anaheim convention center, which is right next door to the hotel where I am staying this week. I will take a photo of it today and show you what I mean.

A gigantic psychotherapy conference is going on there now. About 7,500 people are expected to attend. Imagine all those therapists under one roof. (Terrifying.) So far, it is going quite well. Am going to listen to Dr. Andrew Weil speak this morning.

As Mike would say, more will be revealed. : )

love,
jenny

Kim, this is all fascinating. I am glad you shared it. After reading about the
Fibonacci triangle and then seeing the diagram of it, my mind went immediately
to a triangle at the entrance to the Anaheim convention center, which is right
next door to the hotel where I am staying this week. I will take a photo of it
today and show you what I mean.

A gigantic psychotherapy conference is going on there now. About 7,500 people
are expected to attend. Imagine all those therapists under one roof.
(Terrifying.) So far, it is going quite well. Am going to listen to Dr. Andrew
Weil speak this morning.

As Mike would say, more will be revealed.  : )

love,
jenny

Hi bradford,
A good piece on the moon return, but are the sequence of Moon, Mercury,
Venus right? I thought Steiner said that the right sequence was Moon,
Venus, Mercury.
Greetings,
Kim

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "bradford"
<holderlin66@...> wrote:
>
>
> Dottie seems disturbed by some biographical events.
> "So looking this morning for some understanding of this 7x7 period I
am
> going
> through I came upon this from Terence, Steve, and Bradford. I just
> thought to
> share it here again.
>
> All good things,
> Dottie
>
> Bradford comments;
> In terms of biography, there a few things within biography that I have
> clearly been amazed by. In particular it is how we join the numbers
and
> the math of the time stream of our biography - To the listening and
> compassionate tale we step out of our little selfish world and
consider
> the tale and place another's biography before us, and ride into the
> amazing Angelic vision and forces that impacted, were overcome, were
> transformed through equations of illness, death, love...children...
> Amazing forces of compassion and cognition impact the soul who
explores
> freely anothers biography with them or without them. Because in case
the
> facts are there and the numbers, which are partially star numbers,
star
> events loaded with earthly experiences. So I examine some of this in
> this particular study.
>
http://rileybrad.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/naughty-19-and-nearing-our-ang\
\
> el/
>
> The other study, Glimpses into the Etheric Christ Event in the 20th
and
> 21st centuries, is also a startling field to research in this
particular
> study:
> http://rileybrad.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/etheric-christ-glimpses-1/
>

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "write3chairs" <write3chairs@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, dottie zold wrote:
>
> > Frank! Jennifer, donna lissen to that Franke, isse not trru
> >  
>
J: I hope you find relief soon, Dottie! I for one am relieved you
> are not a troll. ;)

They always deny it, don't they? I mean if you were a troll with an Italian
accent, would you admit it?
Frank

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, dottie zold wrote:

> Frank! Jennifer, donna lissen to that Franke, isse not trru
>  
> I'm here Jen, just give a shout when you get in at 323.798 4557.
> the address is 7564 W. Sunset Blvd. in Hollywood.
>  
> I'm kinda distressed, really distressed so if you see tears falling I won't
charge you extra:0

I hope you find relief soon, Dottie! I for one am relieved you
are not a troll. ;) Yes, I will contact you. Am not sure how much
free time I will have. I suspect very little; and also, I will not
have a car and so will only be able to travel insofar as I can
get a ride from someone. Hollywood is a little far from where
I'm staying, but gosh ... maybe we can find someway to connect!

> "If there is something more powerful than destiny, this must be the human
being who bears destiny unshaken." Rudolf Steiner

Dottie seems disturbed by some biographical events.
"So looking this morning for some understanding of this 7x7 period I am
going
through I came upon this from Terence, Steve, and Bradford. I just
thought to
share it here again.

All good things,
Dottie

Bradford comments;
In terms of biography, there a few things within biography that I have
clearly been amazed by. In particular it is how we join the numbers and
the math of the time stream of our biography - To the listening and
compassionate tale we step out of our little selfish world and consider
the tale and place another's biography before us, and ride into the
amazing Angelic vision and forces that impacted, were overcome, were
transformed through equations of illness, death, love...children...
Amazing forces of compassion and cognition impact the soul who explores
freely anothers biography with them or without them. Because in case the
facts are there and the numbers, which are partially star numbers, star
events loaded with earthly experiences. So I examine some of this in
this particular study.
http://rileybrad.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/naughty-19-and-nearing-our-ang\
el/

The other study, Glimpses into the Etheric Christ Event in the 20th and
21st centuries, is also a startling field to research in this particular
study:
http://rileybrad.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/etheric-christ-glimpses-1/

Hi Friends,

I had cause to look for ages this morning as I awoke to understand that what I
had begun at 7 years age and what faces me now are the alpha and omega of my
life. I was able to trace something back to 7 that was just beginning and then
to right now which is just ending. It is just so incredibly difficult but
realizing there is a rhyme and reason and a logic to these ages I am humbled to
keep moving forward without judgement yet with understanding of what my soul was
working on. And its interesting to me because 7 was the age I accepted Christ
into my life verbally and of course in my heart, but it was also a verbal
communication as well, a response to a question posed.

And now I am in such a fire and I just can't say how excruciating it is to be me
right now as there just doesn't seem to be words, only sounds, that can express
it. Or even a depthfilled silence that just hits the abyss of my self.

So looking this morning for some understanding of this 7x7 period I am going
through I came upon this from Terence, Steve, and Bradford. I just thought to
share it here again.

All good things,
Dottie


June 2nd, 2006


Age 49 was (Re: Gonzo Journalism and the ZeitGeist)


--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hale" <sardisian01@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "holderlin66"
> <holderlin66@> wrote:
> <snip>
> "My Mars phase [42-49] was a little rough to come to terms with
> ambition outwardly, achievements and flaws in the perception of my
> own shadow...which determined that it was I, and I alone that was
> repeating certain patterns of behavior..."
>
> Steve comments:
>
> The first lectures of Steiner's "Karmic Relationships", contain a
> very significant fact of our present stage of spiritual
> development. Steiner describes it by giving the influences of the
> Hierarchies from birth to age 21, 21-42, and 42 to 63. But he also
> tells us about age 49.

There is a significant correspondence found in age
49, the 7th cycle of 7 years. Whatever occurs at
age 49 sets the tone for the remainder of years.
Astrologically, age 49 is the mid-heaven point, the
zenith of the chart. At the first Saturn return the
stage is set for the next cycle of 28 years. Either
we will follow the path of our materialistic
culture and find a sense of achievement therein, or
we march to the beat of a different drummer and
painfully extract ourselves from Caesar's world to
enter the world of Christ. Age 49 marks the height
of our materialistic pursuit or the Turning Point
in Time wherein our choice to serve Christ is
solidly formed. Now the throat center is cleared
for sounding the words of matter or of the heart.

Curiously, when we divide the archetype of
perfection, the circle of 360 degrees by 7, we get
an irrational number 51.428571428571 .... which
indicates an evolutionary turn to the next higher
dimension from the base circle by .428571428571
that leads to another circle. It appears like a
spiral of DNA or a child's toy called the Slinky. Or
a devolutionary turn to a deeper immersion in
matter, i.e. service of Caesar. Another way of
picturing this is to draw a Solomon's Seal and add a
point in the middle of the Seal. That point or dot
can depict a plane that is either above or below
the Seal.

7x7=49, the bench mark of our moral destiny! Bob
Dylan sang: We can serve the devil or we can serve
the Lord, but you gotta serve somebody. Age 49
marks that point in our lives where we are asked
that question...who are you going to serve? It can
be the Devil or it can be the Lord!

Obviously this does not mark the choices that an
Initiate is faced with, but it does mark the choice
we Students will face sooner or later in our
biography. At age 49 a choice needs to be made if
not already made before.

Terence

The Macrocosmic Nature of Man

At first the cosmos reveals itself to man from the earthly and the outer-earthly side, the world of the stars [heavenly bodies – trans.].

Man feels himself related to the earth and its forces. Life teaches him very clearly about this relationship.

In contemporary times, however, he doesn't feel related to the stars in the same way. But this is the case only as long as he is not conscious of his etheric body. Grasping the etheric body in imaginations develops a feeling of belonging to the world of stars, just as one has such a feeling about the earth through consciousness of the physical body.

The forces that place the etheric body in the world come from the periphery of the universe, while those for the physical body stream from the center of the earth.

But together with the etheric forces which stream into the earth from the periphery of the cosmos, come the cosmic impulses which act in the astral bodies of men.

The ether is like a sea in which the astral forces swim, approaching the earth from all the diverse cosmic directions.

In the present cosmic age, only the mineral and vegetable kingdoms are able to have a direct connection to the astral forces which stream to the earth on the waves of the ether. Not, however, the animal kingdom or humanity.

Spiritual vision shows that in the case of the animal kingdom it is not the present astral forces which stream into the embryonic stage, but those which did so during the Ancient Moon period.

With the vegetable kingdom one sees how the wonderfully manifold forms are structured when the astral severs itself from the ether and acts on the plant world.

With respect to the animal kingdom, one sees how the astrality that was active during the Ancient Moon period and was derived from the spiritual, has been preserved and as such remains in the spirit-world and does not enter the etheric world.

The effectiveness of this astrality is mediated by the moon forces, which have also remained at the previous stage of the earth's evolution.

In the animal kingdom we therefore have the result of impulses which manifested themselves in an natural way in the earth's previous stage, whereas in the present cosmic age they have withdrawn to the spirit-world, which actively streams through the earth.

Spiritual vision observes that within the animal kingdom, in the penetration of the physical and etheric bodies by the astral body at present, only the astral forces preserved from the past are meaningful. Once the animal has its astral body however, then the sun-impulses enter actively into it. The sun forces cannot give the animal astrality; once in the animal, however, they must needs be active in its growth, nutrition and so forth.

For humanity it is different. It also receives at first its astrality from the preserved Moon forces. But the sun forces contain astral impulses which remain ineffective for the animal kingdom, but continue to affect human astrality in the same way as when the Moon forces first imbued humanity with astrality.

In the animal astral body one sees the moon world; in the human astral body one sees the harmonious concordance of the sun and moon worlds.

It is due to this sun effect in the human astral body that man is able to absorb what streams spiritually from the earth for the development of his self-consciousness. Astrality streams forth from the periphery of the universe. It acts either as what presently streams forth, or what streamed forth in the past and is preserved. However, everything which relates to the formation of the I as the vehicle of self-consciousness must stream out from the center of a star. Astrality acts from the periphery, what is relevant to the I acts from a center. The earth as a heavenly body gives impulse to the human I from its center. Forces stream from the center of every star [heavenly body] from which the I of some being is formed.

This indicates the polarity between a star's [heavenly body's] center and the cosmic periphery.

One sees from this description how the animal kingdom still exists today as a result of earlier earthly evolutionary forces, how it uses up the preserved astral forces, how it must, however, disappear once these forces are used up. On the other hand, with man new astral forces are created from the sun, which enables him to continue his evolution into the future.

Without being conscious of man's relationship to the stars as well as to the earth, it is not possible to understand the essence of humanity. And what man receives from the earth for his self-consciousness also derives from the spirit-world which acts within the earth. That the sun gives to man what his astrality needs derives from the activity which took place during the ancient Sun period. The earth received there the capacity to develop humanity's I-impulses. It is the spiritual from that period which the earth preserved of the Sun forces, and which is preserved from dying out now through the present activity of the sun.

The earth was once itself Sun. It was spiritualized. In the present cosmic age the sun acts from without. This continuously rejuvenates the aging spiritual forces from ancient times. For what continues to act without absorbing the forces of the present succumbs to the Luciferic.

One can say that the man's feeling for his connection to the outer-earthly cosmos is so muted in this cosmic epoch that he doesn't notice it within his consciousness. And it is not merely muted, it is drowned out by feeling connected to the earth. Because man must find his self-consciousness in the earth, he grew so attached to it at the beginning of the Consciousness Soul age that it acts much more strongly on him than is appropriate for the correct course of his soul life. He is to a certain extent benumbed by the impressions of the world of the senses. Because of this numbness he does not actualize the free thinking of which he is capable.

The whole epoch from the middle of the nineteenth century on was such a benumbing through sense impressions. The great illusion of this age is that man took the overly strong life of the senses to be the correct one – the life of the senses which strove to extinguish the life in the outer-earthly cosmos.

The Ahrimanic powers were able to unfold their being within this benumbing. Lucifer was held back more by the sun forces than was Ahriman, who was able to call forth, especially in scientifically inclined people, the dangerous feeling that ideas are only applicable to sense impressions. Therefore anthroposophy can find little understanding in those circles. One stands before the results of spiritual knowledge and tries to understand them with ideas. But these ideas do not grasp the spiritual, because they are benumbed by Ahrimanic knowledge through the senses. And thus one fears that he will succumb to blind belief in authority if he is open to the results of the spiritual seer's research.

The outer-earthly cosmos became ever darker for human consciousness during the second half of the nineteenth century.

If man is again able to vivify the ideas within him, even when they are not supported by the world of the senses, then light will stream back to his gaze from the outer-earthly cosmos. But this means recognizing Michael in his kingdom.

Once the Michael festival in autumn becomes true and internal, then those who participate in the festival will experience the following as a leitmotiv which will live in their consciousness: Idea filled, the soul experiences spirit-light when the sense revelations only echo in man as remembrances.

If man can experience this, then, after the festival, he will be able to submerge again in the right way into the sense world. And Ahriman will not be able to harm him.

Goetheanum, January 1925

Trans. FTS

168. At the beginning of the Consciousness Soul age a dampening of the human feeling of connection with the outer-earthly cosmos took place. In contrast thereto, the feeling of connection to the earth by experiencing sense impressions was so strong, especially among scientifically inclined people, that a benumbing resulted.

169. Within this benumbing, the Ahrimanic powers work so dangerously that man lives in the illusion that this strong benumbing experience is the correct one and constitutes real evolutionary progress.

170. Man must find the strength to enlighten his world of ideas and experience them as such, also when they are not supported by the benumbed sense-world. In this experience of the independently enlightened world of ideas the feeling of connection to the outer-earthly cosmos will awaken. The basis for Michael festivals will then arise.

"not only are doctors coming the understanding that the heart is not a pump"

Hi, really interested about where this information comes from?

Thanks,

Pete.

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "elfuncle" <coolvibes@...> wrote:
>
> Careful there, Dottie -- if Dan & Di & other holefolks are forced to admit
anything like this, through double blind heart tests or whatever -- they'll
argue that this is the case among anthroposophists only, because
anthroposophists, eurythmists, mantra chanters, Akasha travellers, child
hypnotizers, abusers, predators, Steinerites, Blavatskyites and Waldorf staff
are all hairy primates disguised as humans through special costumes designed in
the Goetheanum Basement. The Good doctor and his cohorts were wearing such
costumes themselves, and all anthros are alien beasts; their blood is probably
Vulcan green, and their hearts are located elsewhere in their bodies.... just
like Spock.
>
> Tarjei
>
> --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, dottie zold <dottie_z@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > So whadaya think about this? Now, not only are doctors coming the
understanding that the heart is not a pump, so too do we now have evidence,
(again) of humans being a separate line from the animals and that man did not
originate from apes. d
> >  
> > Fossils radically alter ideas about the look of man's earliest ancestors
> >
> >
> > Analysis of a near-complete skeleton of a human ancestor found in Ethiopia
changes scientists' thinking about the appearance and behavior of our distant
forebears.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > This image released today by "Science" shows the probable life appearance in
anterior view of Ardipithecus ramidus ("Ardi").
> >
> >  
> >
> > A treasure trove of 4.4-million-year-old fossils from the Ethiopian desert
is dramatically overturning widely held ideas about the early evolution of
humans and how they came to walk upright, even as it paints a remarkably
detailed picture of early life in Africa, researchers reported Thursday.
> >
> > The centerpiece of the diverse collection of primate, animal and plant
fossils is the near-complete skeleton of a human ancestor that demonstrates our
earliest forebears looked nothing like a chimpanzee or other large primate, as
is now commonly believed. Instead, the findings suggest that the last common
ancestor of humans and primates, which existed nearly 2 million years earlier,
was a primitive creature that shared few traits with modern-day members of
either group.
> >
> > The findings, analyzed in a large group of studies published Thursday in the
journal Science, also indicate that our ancestors began walking upright in
woodlands, not on grassy savannas as prior generations of researchers had
speculated.
> >
> > The discovery of the specimen called Ardipithecus ramidus "is one of the
most important discoveries for the study of human evolution," said
paleoanthropologist David Pilbeam of Harvard University, who was not involved in
the research. "The find itself is extraordinary, as were the enormous labors
that went into the reconstruction of a skeleton shattered almost beyond repair,"
he said in an e-mailed statement.
> >
> > "It is so rare to get a more or less complete skeleton," said
paleoanthropologist Andrew Hill of Yale University. "In the entire course of
human evolution, at least until you get to Neanderthals, there are only three to
four available. We can always tell so much more from a skeleton" than from the
jawbones and skulls that are more commonly found.
> >
> > The fossils described in the new studies were found 15 years ago in the Afar
Triangle of Ethiopia by a team led by paleoanthropologist Tim White of UC
Berkeley. But White and his team have been relatively closemouthed about the
fossils, and other researchers -- some of whom have accused him of hoarding the
fossils for his own use -- have been eagerly awaiting more information.
> >
> > Today, they are getting a surfeit: Eleven papers by 47 authors, and a
similar number of short summaries prepared by each paper's authors.
> >
> > The fossils were found in a layer of sediment sandwiched between two layers
of volcanic ash, each dating from 4.4 million years ago -- indicating that the
fossils are also of that age.
> >
> > In addition to the nearly complete fossil specimen of the female primate,
which investigators have dubbed Ardi, the team found more than 100 fossils from
36 other members of the same species.
> >
> > "These fossils are much more important than Lucy," the 3.2-million-year-old
specimen of Australopithecus afarensis that was found in the Afar desert in the
1970s, said paleoanthropologist Alan Walker of Pennsylvania State University,
who was not involved in the research. "The reason is that when Lucy was found,
we already knew the major features of Australopithecus from fossils found in the
1940s. . . . These fossils are of a completely unknown creature, and are much
stranger and more primitive than Australopithecus."
> >
> > The White team also found fossils of 29 species of birds, primarily small
ones like doves, lovebirds, mousebirds, passerines and swifts, as well as
several that were previously unknown. Animal fossils included 20 new species of
small mammals, including shrews, bats, rodents, hares and small carnivores, as
well as larger animals, including baboons, colobus monkeys and spiral-horned
antelopes.
> >
> > Fossilized wood, seed and other plant remains indicate the presence of
hackberry, fig and palm trees. Collectively, these finds indicate that the
environment was more humid and cooler than it is today, and contained grassy
woodland with forest patches.
> >
> > Today, the Afar is a desert. But go back in a time machine and "4.4 million
years ago, this was really a different world," White said. "We look up in the
trees and we see that they are full of monkeys. We look around on the ground and
we see that there are a lot of kudus. And we see an occasional hyena. And we see
elephants and we see lots of small mammals."
> >
> > This whole collection of data "gives us information we have never had before
about human evolution," said paleoanthropologist C. Owen Lovejoy of Kent State
University, one of the primary authors of the papers. "The whole savanna theory
goes out the window in terms of it being the explanation for upright walking. .
. . And the idea that we evolved from something like a chimpanzee also goes out
the window."
> >
> > Ardi stood about 47 inches tall and probably weighed 110 pounds. Many
researchers previously believed that such an early ancestor would, like modern
chimps, be a knuckle-walker, using the knuckles for support while moving on all
fours. Instead, Ardi appears to have climbed on all fours on branches, but
walked upright on the ground. Her feet, like those of monkeys but not chimps,
were designed more for propulsion than for grasping.
> >
> > Her face had a projecting muzzle, giving her an ape-like appearance, but
many features of her skull, such as the ridge above the eye socket, are quite
different than those of chimpanzees. Her brain is about the same size as Lucy's.
> >
> > Her hands lacked many of the specializations that allow modern-day African
apes to swing, hang and easily move through trees. Those specializations
apparently evolved in large primates after they separated from the last common
ancestor with humans more than 6 million years ago. (Few fossils of such
primates are available because they lived primarily in forests, which are not
conducive to preservation of bone.)
> >
> > The finds "are turning evolution on its head," Lovejoy said.
> >
> > The most controversial aspects of the papers involve the authors' --
particularly Lovejoy's -- interpretations of what the fossils say about
behavior. Of particular importance, he said, is that the sizes of males and
females were about the same, and that the specimens do not have large, sharp
canine teeth. Both findings suggest that the fierce, often violent competition
among males for females in heat that characterizes gorillas and chimpanzees was
absent in Ardipithecus.
> >
> > That implies, Lovejoy concluded, that the males were beginning to enter into
monogamous relationships with females and devoted more time to caring for their
young than did earlier ancestors.
> >
> > "This is a restatement of Owen Lovejoy's ideas going back almost three
decades, which I found unpersuasive then and still do," Pilbeam said.
> >
> > Hill was more blunt, calling Lovejoy's speculation "patent nonsense."
> >
> > thomas.maugh@
> >
> >
> > "If there is something more powerful than destiny, this must be the human
being who bears destiny unshaken." Rudolf Steiner
> >
>

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" wrote:

> Gosh, Jenny, I see that this has gone too far.
> I must now admit that Dottie is my troll.
> I'd love to meet you though. When can you come to Argentina?
> Love,
> Frank

Well, I have a confession to make, too.
I have been stalking the frequent posters
on this group, trying to get them to meet me.
But alas, no success yet. There is still hope,
however, and I think his name is Frank....

Don't cry for me, Argentina. I will make it
there one day. How disappointing to learn
that Dottie is only a troll, though.
Guess I will have to cancel my trip.

Sadly yet with a thin strand of hope,
Jenny

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "write3chairs" <write3chairs@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, dottie zold wrote:
>
> > I was thinking that Steiner's exercises and concepts
> > actually prepare us for the suffering required to
> > overcome the Fall and our spirit bodies involved in this.
>
> Hi, Dottie. I always appreciate your contributions.
> Thank you, once again. I am going to be in your
> neighborhood here in a couple of weeks. Please
> contact me if you would like to meet! I would love
> to talk to you face to face, if we can work that out.
>
> Love,
> Jenny
>
Gosh, Jenny, I see that this has gone too far. I must now admit that Dottie is
my troll. I'd love to meet you though. When can you come to Argentina?
Love,
Frank

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" wrote:

> ... I think the background music should be the
> anthem for the old out dated AT basement...

Perfect.  : )

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ3QcN3puHs
>
> Best
>
> Mike

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, dottie zold wrote:

> I was thinking that Steiner's exercises and concepts
> actually prepare us for the suffering required to
> overcome the Fall and our spirit bodies involved in this.

Hi, Dottie. I always appreciate your contributions.
Thank you, once again. I am going to be in your
neighborhood here in a couple of weeks. Please
contact me if you would like to meet! I would love
to talk to you face to face, if we can work that out.

Love,
Jenny

Been a while since I poked fun at our old adversaries over at the WC. I always
wanted to make a recording of demonic laughter to freak them out, or just give
them something to make fun of. Well, when I saw this on my FB page, it was
perfect, if long overdue. The demons from the WE basements are laughing in the
background, and the clowns, oh boy the clowns, from both camps! And I think the
background music should be the anthem for the old out dated AT basement...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ3QcN3puHs

Best

Mike

Recently, waldorf critics cited Giovanni Colazza with reference to a lecture
held by Dr. Colazza at the Theosophical group 'Roma', in April 1910, entitled
"Breathing and Occultism." Colazza suggested that oriental forms of meditation
were not suitable for Western bodies, because of the different social
environment and inner constitution.
"The intent of exclusively applying Indian methods in our time and to our race,
means to disregard the evolution that has considerably modified the possibility
of our organism, and the new spiritual currents that are being introduced in the
world."

Massimo Scaligero, in his "Yoga Meditation Magic," wrote: "One is a Western
person because has proceeded beyond the East, through a Spiritual activity about
which we are not yet spiritually conscious . The absence of such consciousness
is the evil of the Western soul, which, in fact, does not need the Oriental
metaphysics, but its own. The real problem of our civilization is that it
attains its own metaphysics, not that it exhumes the metaphysics from those
traditions that it already had the force to leave behind itself. One day it will
realize that by having left those traditions behind it operated through the
highest power of the Spirit. On the condition of becoming conscious of that. . .
. The most recent psychosomatic structure of Man, in fact, shows a change that
can be recognized as a transition from a sentient-rational consciousness to the
determinacy of the "consciousness soul," which characteristic is the
self-limitation to the position of what is real as the absolute sensorial
objectivity."

It would be unreasonable today to deny the millenary experience of the West,
from Greek philosophy, to the beginning of the scientific method, to modern
rationality, only to revert to past stages of consciousness that have been
overcome. Logically, Steiner was teaching that modern Western individuals should
not practice oriental disciplines. For many, however, the beginning of the
practice begins with those past methods, from which they eventually move on to
more contemporary paths.
It would be quite unreasonable to expect that the greatest teacher of the West
suggested to his disciples to follow the old paths of the East. The West has
gone beyond the East because the East paved the way to the birth of the concept
in Greece. Without the work of the original Yoga, brought to India by the
population that originally came from Europe, the West would have not have
discovered the concept.

Federico

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Often Western individuals follow the old paths of the East. Then, some move to
more Western practices. For example, Scaligero practiced raja yoga for many
years, until he found that Steiner's meditation allowed him to achieve those
results he was seeking, but could not attain through yoga or other methods.

Scaligero recognized the meaning of the development of rational thinking and
Western science in relationship with inner practice. Yoga practice belonged to
an individual that did not yet experience the concept as pure synthesis, but as
a transcendent superindividual element. Yoga is not necessary anymore because
human consciousness has changed.
Aurobindo is an example of Eastern teachers who begin to see the connection with
modern rationality.

What about the East? Human consciousness has evolved to the current level of
abstractness, basically worldwide. Several decades ago was already rare to find,
in remote parts of the world, individuals whose consciousness had their
foundation not in their head, but mainly in their heart.
Today, abstractness is the ordinary level of consciousness of any population in
the world.
In this sense I wonder if we can even really distinguish a Western from an
Eastern individual, today.

An example cited by Scaligero was represented by the school of Kyoto and Nishida
Kitaro.
For Kitaro we need to move beyond speculation to experience thinking, not
through old methods of contemplation, but within thinking as pure experience or
junsui keiken.

Where is the discrimination? Yoga represents a set of teachings that was adapted
through millennia to overcome the impediments to the spiritual imposed by the
Kali Yuga. It was designed to fit the possibilities of a different level of
consciousness still able to experience breathing as something more than just a
mechanical process. Today's consciousness is completely abstract and those paths
are not suitable anymore. Do some individuals still need to practice yoga? It
seems so, but at a certain point they may realize that the barrier is within
thinking, and that thinking cannot be skipped. Scaligero understood this.

Federico

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And here is a modern retelling of this poignant tale....
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfaU2Ldjg0k&feature=youtube_gdata

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Art" wrote:
>
>
> Thanks so much for sharing the lovely story of "The Snow Queen" and the deep
interpretations.  I had missed reading this story long ago. Had  I been read the
story  or read it it would have been  memorable indeed.
>
> I also find the story of Oscar Wilde "The Nightingale and the Rose" a lovely
allegory:
>
> http://www.online-literature.com/wilde/178/
>
> Full of allegory and beauty.  It has also been illustrated in a graphic novel
by P. Craig Russell of Wilde's fairy tales:
>
> 
http://www.amazon.com/Fairy-Tales-Oscar-Wilde-Vol/dp/1561633925/ref=sr_1_75?ie=U\
TF8&s=books&qid=1258439106&sr=1-75
>
> -  Art
>

Oscar Wilde's version is more depressing as the Snow Queen has won.
Kim

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Art" <arthra999@...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks so much for sharing the lovely story of "The Snow Queen" and
the deep interpretations.  I had missed reading this story long ago. Had
I been read the story  or read it it would have been  memorable indeed.
>
> I also find the story of Oscar Wilde "The Nightingale and the Rose" a
lovely allegory:
>
> http://www.online-literature.com/wilde/178/
>
> Full of allegory and beauty.  It has also been illustrated in a
graphic novel by P. Craig Russell of Wilde's fairy tales:
>
>
http://www.amazon.com/Fairy-Tales-Oscar-Wilde-Vol/dp/1561633925/ref=sr_1\
_75?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258439106&sr=1-75
>
> -  Art
>

Thanks so much for sharing the lovely story of "The Snow Queen" and the deep
interpretations.  I had missed reading this story long ago. Had  I been read the
story  or read it it would have been  memorable indeed.

I also find the story of Oscar Wilde "The Nightingale and the Rose" a lovely
allegory:

http://www.online-literature.com/wilde/178/

Full of allegory and beauty.  It has also been illustrated in a graphic novel by
P. Craig Russell of Wilde's fairy tales:

 
http://www.amazon.com/Fairy-Tales-Oscar-Wilde-Vol/dp/1561633925/ref=sr_1_75?ie=U\
TF8&s=books&qid=1258439106&sr=1-75

-  Art