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#37486 From: dottie zold <dottie_z@...>
Date: Sun Jun 8, 2008 4:39 am
Subject: Who is Samson?
dottie_z
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#37487 From: Albert Sándor <montek@...>
Date: Sun Jun 8, 2008 7:31 am
Subject: Re: Re: saying uncle
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Thank you for the encouragment. dear Dottie.
 
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Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: saying uncle

And your English is making such incredible leaps and bounds Sandor! Wow.

 

All good things,

Dottie

--- On Sat, 6/7/08, Albert Sándor <montek@astralnet.ro> wrote:

From: Albert Sándor <montek@astralnet.ro>
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: saying uncle
To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 7, 2008, 7:43 AM

Well, I say Uncle, Anacol, Patrue mi patruissime, just I am freed from this headlock I'm in. :)
Just kidding. It's the best thing could happen to me ... I am a stubborn donkey and I need the whip badly.
Darn, I am more and more feel that I must have been a nun in my earlier life. But I am still keeping my options open ... :)


#37488 From: "write3chairs@..." <write3chairs@...>
Date: Sun Jun 8, 2008 5:23 pm
Subject: Showing Uncle
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#37489 From: dottie zold <dottie_z@...>
Date: Sun Jun 8, 2008 6:31 pm
Subject: Gates of Light
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Hi Friends,

 

I am researching a bit of the seven in relations to the Cabala and found this in my book and then did a bit  of research on line:

 

http://web.newsguy.com/bigbytes/dc_cathedral/cathedral9.htm

 

This little page walks us through the Pentagram and the Hexagram. But I thought it so interesting to find the Lily in the Tree so I thought to share it.

 

I am also finding it interesting that the 11th Sephira is the one so named  Daat. I didn't know it was called the 11th. And so I guess its always interesting for me to find the 11s in the work beings this journey  has taken such an interesting turn for me since studying and contemplating on John 11:1

 

All good things,

Dottie


 



#37490 From: dottie zold <dottie_z@...>
Date: Sun Jun 8, 2008 7:05 pm
Subject: Re: Gates of Light
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#37491 From: dottie zold <dottie_z@...>
Date: Sun Jun 8, 2008 7:12 pm
Subject: Re: Gates of Light
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Now, in this picture:

 

http://web.newsguy.com/bigbytes/dc_cathedral/cathedral10.htm

 

can you see where Lucifer is in the Tree of Life? If anyone recalls Rudolf Steiner drew a picture of Lucifer. Now, we can see on the Tree of Life why it would be said that Lucifer would be the future Holy Spirit: Lucifer is embedded in the Tree of Life its very self as is Sophia who is the backbone, the Tree its very self. Whew. Well, at least these are my thoughts.

 

Okay okay okay, I still have not mastered putting an image in my post. I image that's because I have not even tried other than one time pre Tarjeic instructions:) So, I shall upload the picture into my files on this list. However I want to say maybe yall shall take a looksee to find where Lucifer is and in what picture before you open my picture of the Tree:)))

 

All good good things again,

d

 

All good things,

Dottie

--- On Sun, 6/8/08, dottie zold <dottie_z@...> wrote:

From: dottie zold <dottie_z@...>
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Gates of Light
To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 12:05 PM


In case you didn't go to the second page:)

 

http://web.newsguy.com/bigbytes/dc_cathedral/cathedral10.htm




#37492 From: dottie zold <dottie_z@...>
Date: Sun Jun 8, 2008 7:17 pm
Subject: Re: Gates of Light
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Okay, okay okay:) whew to be again like in the old days is not such a bad thing is what I think...anyhows here is something from the same page:

 

"The respective advantages of each of these is that the H shape preserves the notion of three pillars that supposedly "support the temple", while the A tree preserves the equilateral triangle shape. (Note the zig-zagging red line on the A tree. This follows the succesive spheres, and is described as looking like a lightning bolt.)

Mixing Metaphors

As I pointed out earlier, the Tree of Life legend is based on, and analogous to, the model of Jacob's Ladder; but as you well know a tree is not a ladder. A E Waite addresses this issue in his "A New Encyclopedia of Freemasonry" (p 409):

 

Dottie: Now, who's ladder are we climbing? And who is it that we, as we tread this path, take up with us? Oh boy.

 

d



--- On Sun, 6/8/08, dottie zold <dottie_z@...> wrote:

From: dottie zold <dottie_z@...>
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Gates of Light
To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 12:12 PM

Now, in this picture:

 

http://web.newsguy.com/bigbytes/dc_cathedral/cathedral10.htm

 

can you see where Lucifer is in the Tree of Life? If anyone recalls Rudolf Steiner drew a picture of Lucifer. Now, we can see on the Tree of Life why it would be said that Lucifer would be the future Holy Spirit: Lucifer is embedded in the Tree of Life its very self as is Sophia who is the backbone, the Tree its very self. Whew. Well, at least these are my thoughts.

 

Okay okay okay, I still have not mastered putting an image in my post. I image that's because I have not even tried other than one time pre Tarjeic instructions:) So, I shall upload the picture into my files on this list. However I want to say maybe yall shall take a looksee to find where Lucifer is and in what picture before you open my picture of the Tree:)))

 

All good good things again,

d

 

All good things,

Dottie

--- On Sun, 6/8/08, dottie zold <dottie_z@...> wrote:

From: dottie zold <dottie_z@...>
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Gates of Light
To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 12:05 PM


In case you didn't go to the second page:)

 

http://web.newsguy.com/bigbytes/dc_cathedral/cathedral10.htm





#37493 From: "elfuncle" <hisholiness@...>
Date: Mon Jun 9, 2008 8:20 am
Subject: Bob Dylan Endorses Barack Obama
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Bob Dylan says Barack Obama is 'changin' America

Alan Jackson and David Byers

His 1964 track 'The Times They are a-Changin' became the anthem for his generation, symbolising the era-defining social struggle against the establishment.

Now Bob Dylan - who could justifiably claim to be the architect of Barack Obama's 'change' catchphrase - has backed the Illinois senator to do for modern America what the generation before did in the 1960s.

In an exclusive interview with The Times, published today, Dylan gives a ringing endorsement to Mr Obama, the first ever black presidential candidate, claiming he is "redefining the nature of politics from the ground up".

Dylan, 67, made the comments when being interviewed in Denmark, where he stopped over in a hotel during a tour of Scandinavia.

Asked about his views on American politics, he said: "Well, you know right now America is in a state of upheaval. Poverty is demoralising. You can't expect people to have the virtue of purity when they are poor.

"But we've got this guy out there now who is redefining the nature of politics from the ground up...Barack Obama.

"He's redefining what a politician is, so we'll have to see how things play out. Am I hopeful? Yes, I'm hopeful that things might change. Some things are going to have to."

He added: "You should always take the best from the past, leave the worst back there and go forward into the future."

Dylan's endorsement contains much symbolic significance. The legendary singer-songwriter, who has an art exhibition opening in London next week, became a focal point for young people worldwide when he released the album 'The times they are a-changin'," including the famous song of that name, in 1964.

The track, which he wrote as the social liberation of the '60s astonished politicians and parents, included lines urging people to accept and embrace what was happening around them.

Memorable lines included: "Come senators, congressmen, please heed the call. Don't stand in the doorway, don't block up the hall," and: "Come mothers and fathers throughout the land, and don't criticise what you can't understand. Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command. Your old road is rapidly agin'."


T


#37494 From: "M Howell" <mejhowell@...>
Date: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:41 am
Subject: I can't help myself.
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#37495 From: Albert Sándor <montek@...>
Date: Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:07 pm
Subject: Re: Showing Uncle
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I've been reading through parts of the book. Interesting.
Question: does computers, phones, electric devices interfere with our etheric bodies ?
 
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Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 8:23 PM
Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Showing Uncle


#37496 From: dottie zold <dottie_z@...>
Date: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:14 pm
Subject: The Feet
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Hey Friends,

 

I have wondered for years why it is that they said the 'feet' represented the sexual organ. Well, it is said the Hebrews say this. And of course we always see, just about always, the Magdalene at the feet of Jesus on the Cross. Always at the feet. And the other Mary usually at the head. When there are three they are positioned head hand feet.

 

Today I realized when contemplating again on the Kaballah, that we have the feet, which is also mentioned in the bible as 'take your shoes of you are on Holy Ground'. Now I have considered all of this before but it just suddenly hit  home that the 'feet' is the body of the Tree of Life. And we are looking at the Root Chakra, what is often considered the sexual chakra, yet in a higher sense we are dealing with 'creativity'.

 

So we know the Magdalene represents the Malkuth, the root chakra, and without her nothing has to deal with the fallen Sophia.

 

But I just thought it interesting to consider why the feet were considered by the Hebrews to respresent the sexual organ! Now we know, it was their mystery teachings.

 

All good things,

Dottie

 


#37497 From: dottie zold <dottie_z@...>
Date: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:42 pm
Subject: Re: The Feet
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Ooops it should say " without her nothing moves, as we are dealing with the fallen Sophia'.

 

d

--- On Tue, 6/10/08, dottie zold <dottie_z@...> wrote:

From: dottie zold <dottie_z@...>
Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Feet
To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 12:14 PM

Hey Friends,

 

I have wondered for years why it is that they said the 'feet' represented the sexual organ. Well, it is said the Hebrews say this. And of course we always see, just about always, the Magdalene at the feet of Jesus on the Cross. Always at the feet. And the other Mary usually at the head. When there are three they are positioned head hand feet.

 

Today I realized when contemplating again on the Kaballah, that we have the feet, which is also mentioned in the bible as 'take your shoes of you are on Holy Ground'. Now I have considered all of this before but it just suddenly hit  home that the 'feet' is the body of the Tree of Life. And we are looking at the Root Chakra, what is often considered the sexual chakra, yet in a higher sense we are dealing with 'creativity'.

 

So we know the Magdalene represents the Malkuth, the root chakra, and without her nothing has to deal with the fallen Sophia.

 

But I just thought it interesting to consider why the feet were considered by the Hebrews to respresent the sexual organ! Now we know, it was their mystery teachings.

 

All good things,

Dottie

 



#37498 From: dottie zold <dottie_z@...>
Date: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:53 pm
Subject: To the Knights of the Grail
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Dear Friends,

 

I was thinking about the idea of how we might know when a certain personality is back in incarnation. And it seems to me that when we see certain books, such as The Gospel of Judas, and also The Davinci Codes, with a single person as the incarnating personality, it might actually be a sign of this personality here on Earth. I can see this with something of my own biography which is about to move into the consciousness and so it had me thinking about otheres that were now in the collective conscious due to books, movies or whathaveyou.

 

That leads me to say if this can be said to be true, or a good possibility, and I am not talking about speculation, rather I am talking about knowing the karmic ties and how we our very selves can place ourselves in certain time period, especially as now students of the Michael School, which is the teaching Rudolf Steiner said he came to share with the world.

 

I think its important to consider Rudolf Steiner's words found in Sergei Prokofieff's book 'Relating to Rudolf Steiner' regarding the personalities that founded the Anthroposophical Movement, and also the peope who are incarnated today from the great initiate schools of the fourteen hundreds etc. He said they would be back together right now. He also said the students who walked with him would join us again right now.

 

So what does that mean? I think if we look to the idea that possible Ahriman was in the world formerly around 1998, if that can be said, I think we would have to recognize the importance of being incarnated at this specific point in time. I had not thought of that before. If we look to the fact that we now have Anthroposophia making a full on emergence in the Society, the Foundation Stone Meditation, these the ending of Rudolf Steiner's lifely service we can consider that not only the Being of Anthroposophia is with us formerly, but also the teacher himself.

 

Now I don't need the teacher to be incarnated and thats not even my interest. Rather my interest is in looking at what we are to accomplish here on behalf of Michael. I find we get lost in all our proclomations of this or that according to this or that political scheme etc. We have so much more to do to move this wheel. So much more.

 

I want to call a truce for all of us to begin aknew. I want to say we must find ourselves once again sitting in the circle of relevance. It doesn't matter how much we speak on this or that, if we can not find a way to come together to move this forward we shall fail our task collectively even if individually we may seem to be thinking we do well.

 

And we shall see where we failed for sure when we meet the maker. For sure.

 

So what say ye knights of the Grail? What say ye?

 

All good things,

Dottie



#37499 From: "write3chairs" <write3chairs@...>
Date: Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:09 pm
Subject: Re: Showing Uncle
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--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, Albert Sándor wrote:

> I've been reading through parts of the book. Interesting.
> Question: does computers, phones, electric devices interfere with
our etheric bodies ?
>
>   http://adammichaelis.minisite.dk/default.aspx?PageID=59322

Hello, dear uncle Albert! (Hope you don't mind if I address you
such.) It is nice to hear from you again. Isn't it funny how we come
to chat with total strangers over the Internet, just simply because
the person gave us the time of day? The amusement never ends!

I was thinking about your question earlier. I actually read it for
the first time in traffic, while stopped at a light. Rest assured, I
was not driving while checking e-mail on my fancy-schmancy phone. I
was safely stopped and waiting for a light to turn green while
perusing the latest AT digest, which only had two messages in it. So,
there I was (picture me) tootling about town and musing whether these
devices interfere with our etheric bodies. And y'know what? I don't
know! Didn't come up with an answer to that one. What do you think?

I have lately been spending more time on my electric typewriter,
which I enjoy very much.

Cheers,
Jennifer

#37500 From: dottie zold <dottie_z@...>
Date: Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:00 am
Subject: Re: Bob Dylan Endorses Barack Obama
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Oh boy, one can wish is all I have to say. We have been moved into this position by the media and one has to wonder why.

 

All good things,

Dottie (whose parents, family and friends wonder what's wrong with me as it would seem to be a dream of mine: black man to lead my people foward and bring hope once again. But Azlan says 'nothing happens the same way twice')

--- On Mon, 6/9/08, elfuncle <hisholiness@...> wrote:

From: elfuncle <hisholiness@...>
Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Bob Dylan Endorses Barack Obama
To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 1:20 AM

Bob Dylan says Barack Obama is 'changin' America

Alan Jackson and David Byers

His 1964 track 'The Times They are a-Changin' became the anthem for his generation, symbolising the era-defining social struggle against the establishment.

Now Bob Dylan - who could justifiably claim to be the architect of Barack Obama's 'change' catchphrase - has backed the Illinois senator to do for modern America what the generation before did in the 1960s.

In an exclusive interview with The Times, published today, Dylan gives a ringing endorsement to Mr Obama, the first ever black presidential candidate, claiming he is "redefining the nature of politics from the ground up".

Dylan, 67, made the comments when being interviewed in Denmark, where he stopped over in a hotel during a tour of Scandinavia.

Asked about his views on American politics, he said: "Well, you know right now America is in a state of upheaval. Poverty is demoralising. You can't expect people to have the virtue of purity when they are poor.

"But we've got this guy out there now who is redefining the nature of politics from the ground up...Barack Obama.

"He's redefining what a politician is, so we'll have to see how things play out. Am I hopeful? Yes, I'm hopeful that things might change. Some things are going to have to."

He added: "You should always take the best from the past, leave the worst back there and go forward into the future."

Dylan's endorsement contains much symbolic significance. The legendary singer-songwriter, who has an art exhibition opening in London next week, became a focal point for young people worldwide when he released the album 'The times they are a-changin'," including the famous song of that name, in 1964.

The track, which he wrote as the social liberation of the '60s astonished politicians and parents, included lines urging people to accept and embrace what was happening around them.

Memorable lines included: "Come senators, congressmen, please heed the call. Don't stand in the doorway, don't block up the hall," and: "Come mothers and fathers throughout the land, and don't criticise what you can't understand. Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command. Your old road is rapidly agin'."


T



#37501 From: Albert Sándor <montek@...>
Date: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:50 am
Subject: Re: To the Knights of the Grail
montek1992
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I say that I am sourrounded by the enemy.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:53 AM
Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] To the Knights of the Grail


Dear Friends,

 

I was thinking about the idea of how we might know when a certain personality is back in incarnation. And it seems to me that when we see certain books, such as The Gospel of Judas, and also The Davinci Codes, with a single person as the incarnating personality, it might actually be a sign of this personality here on Earth. I can see this with something of my own biography which is about to move into the consciousness and so it had me thinking about otheres that were now in the collective conscious due to books, movies or whathaveyou.

 

That leads me to say if this can be said to be true, or a good possibility, and I am not talking about speculation, rather I am talking about knowing the karmic ties and how we our very selves can place ourselves in certain time period, especially as now students of the Michael School, which is the teaching Rudolf Steiner said he came to share with the world.

 

I think its important to consider Rudolf Steiner's words found in Sergei Prokofieff's book 'Relating to Rudolf Steiner' regarding the personalities that founded the Anthroposophical Movement, and also the peope who are incarnated today from the great initiate schools of the fourteen hundreds etc. He said they would be back together right now. He also said the students who walked with him would join us again right now.

 

So what does that mean? I think if we look to the idea that possible Ahriman was in the world formerly around 1998, if that can be said, I think we would have to recognize the importance of being incarnated at this specific point in time. I had not thought of that before. If we look to the fact that we now have Anthroposophia making a full on emergence in the Society, the Foundation Stone Meditation, these the ending of Rudolf Steiner's lifely service we can consider that not only the Being of Anthroposophia is with us formerly, but also the teacher himself.

 

Now I don't need the teacher to be incarnated and thats not even my interest. Rather my interest is in looking at what we are to accomplish here on behalf of Michael. I find we get lost in all our proclomations of this or that according to this or that political scheme etc. We have so much more to do to move this wheel. So much more.

 

I want to call a truce for all of us to begin aknew. I want to say we must find ourselves once again sitting in the circle of relevance. It doesn't matter how much we speak on this or that, if we can not find a way to come together to move this forward we shall fail our task collectively even if individually we may seem to be thinking we do well.

 

And we shall see where we failed for sure when we meet the maker. For sure.

 

So what say ye knights of the Grail? What say ye?

 

All good things,

Dottie



#37502 From: Albert Sándor <montek@...>
Date: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:19 am
Subject: Re: To the Knights of the Grail
montek1992
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Wait, this was just a drill.
 
Genuine luciferic and ahrimanic minions involved, though.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:53 AM
Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] To the Knights of the Grail


Dear Friends,

 

I was thinking about the idea of how we might know when a certain personality is back in incarnation. And it seems to me that when we see certain books, such as The Gospel of Judas, and also The Davinci Codes, with a single person as the incarnating personality, it might actually be a sign of this personality here on Earth. I can see this with something of my own biography which is about to move into the consciousness and so it had me thinking about otheres that were now in the collective conscious due to books, movies or whathaveyou.

 

That leads me to say if this can be said to be true, or a good possibility, and I am not talking about speculation, rather I am talking about knowing the karmic ties and how we our very selves can place ourselves in certain time period, especially as now students of the Michael School, which is the teaching Rudolf Steiner said he came to share with the world.

 

I think its important to consider Rudolf Steiner's words found in Sergei Prokofieff's book 'Relating to Rudolf Steiner' regarding the personalities that founded the Anthroposophical Movement, and also the peope who are incarnated today from the great initiate schools of the fourteen hundreds etc. He said they would be back together right now. He also said the students who walked with him would join us again right now.

 

So what does that mean? I think if we look to the idea that possible Ahriman was in the world formerly around 1998, if that can be said, I think we would have to recognize the importance of being incarnated at this specific point in time. I had not thought of that before. If we look to the fact that we now have Anthroposophia making a full on emergence in the Society, the Foundation Stone Meditation, these the ending of Rudolf Steiner's lifely service we can consider that not only the Being of Anthroposophia is with us formerly, but also the teacher himself.

 

Now I don't need the teacher to be incarnated and thats not even my interest. Rather my interest is in looking at what we are to accomplish here on behalf of Michael. I find we get lost in all our proclomations of this or that according to this or that political scheme etc. We have so much more to do to move this wheel. So much more.

 

I want to call a truce for all of us to begin aknew. I want to say we must find ourselves once again sitting in the circle of relevance. It doesn't matter how much we speak on this or that, if we can not find a way to come together to move this forward we shall fail our task collectively even if individually we may seem to be thinking we do well.

 

And we shall see where we failed for sure when we meet the maker. For sure.

 

So what say ye knights of the Grail? What say ye?

 

All good things,

Dottie



#37503 From: Albert Sándor <montek@...>
Date: Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:25 pm
Subject: Re: To the Knights of the Grail
montek1992
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Remeber what Gandalf says to the rest of the fellowship, when The Balrog approaches ?
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:53 AM
Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] To the Knights of the Grail


Dear Friends,

 

I was thinking about the idea of how we might know when a certain personality is back in incarnation. And it seems to me that when we see certain books, such as The Gospel of Judas, and also The Davinci Codes, with a single person as the incarnating personality, it might actually be a sign of this personality here on Earth. I can see this with something of my own biography which is about to move into the consciousness and so it had me thinking about otheres that were now in the collective conscious due to books, movies or whathaveyou.

 

That leads me to say if this can be said to be true, or a good possibility, and I am not talking about speculation, rather I am talking about knowing the karmic ties and how we our very selves can place ourselves in certain time period, especially as now students of the Michael School, which is the teaching Rudolf Steiner said he came to share with the world.

 

I think its important to consider Rudolf Steiner's words found in Sergei Prokofieff's book 'Relating to Rudolf Steiner' regarding the personalities that founded the Anthroposophical Movement, and also the peope who are incarnated today from the great initiate schools of the fourteen hundreds etc. He said they would be back together right now. He also said the students who walked with him would join us again right now.

 

So what does that mean? I think if we look to the idea that possible Ahriman was in the world formerly around 1998, if that can be said, I think we would have to recognize the importance of being incarnated at this specific point in time. I had not thought of that before. If we look to the fact that we now have Anthroposophia making a full on emergence in the Society, the Foundation Stone Meditation, these the ending of Rudolf Steiner's lifely service we can consider that not only the Being of Anthroposophia is with us formerly, but also the teacher himself.

 

Now I don't need the teacher to be incarnated and thats not even my interest. Rather my interest is in looking at what we are to accomplish here on behalf of Michael. I find we get lost in all our proclomations of this or that according to this or that political scheme etc. We have so much more to do to move this wheel. So much more.

 

I want to call a truce for all of us to begin aknew. I want to say we must find ourselves once again sitting in the circle of relevance. It doesn't matter how much we speak on this or that, if we can not find a way to come together to move this forward we shall fail our task collectively even if individually we may seem to be thinking we do well.

 

And we shall see where we failed for sure when we meet the maker. For sure.

 

So what say ye knights of the Grail? What say ye?

 

All good things,

Dottie



#37504 From: dottie zold <dottie_z@...>
Date: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:05 pm
Subject: Re: To the Knights of the Grail
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Interesting twist Sandor. I would say that too if I were you.

 

All good things,

Dottie

--- On Tue, 6/10/08, Albert Sándor <montek@...> wrote:

From: Albert Sándor <montek@...>
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] To the Knights of the Grail
To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 10:50 PM

I say that I am sourrounded by the enemy.
 
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Dear Friends,

 

I was thinking about the idea of how we might know when a certain personality is back in incarnation. And it seems to me that when we see certain books, such as The Gospel of Judas, and also The Davinci Codes, with a single person as the incarnating personality, it might actually be a sign of this personality here on Earth. I can see this with something of my own biography which is about to move into the consciousness and so it had me thinking about otheres that were now in the collective conscious due to books, movies or whathaveyou.

 

That leads me to say if this can be said to be true, or a good possibility, and I am not talking about speculation, rather I am talking about knowing the karmic ties and how we our very selves can place ourselves in certain time period, especially as now students of the Michael School, which is the teaching Rudolf Steiner said he came to share with the world.

 

I think its important to consider Rudolf Steiner's words found in Sergei Prokofieff's book 'Relating to Rudolf Steiner' regarding the personalities that founded the Anthroposophical Movement, and also the peope who are incarnated today from the great initiate schools of the fourteen hundreds etc. He said they would be back together right now. He also said the students who walked with him would join us again right now.

 

So what does that mean? I think if we look to the idea that possible Ahriman was in the world formerly around 1998, if that can be said, I think we would have to recognize the importance of being incarnated at this specific point in time. I had not thought of that before. If we look to the fact that we now have Anthroposophia making a full on emergence in the Society, the Foundation Stone Meditation, these the ending of Rudolf Steiner's lifely service we can consider that not only the Being of Anthroposophia is with us formerly, but also the teacher himself.

 

Now I don't need the teacher to be incarnated and thats not even my interest. Rather my interest is in looking at what we are to accomplish here on behalf of Michael. I find we get lost in all our proclomations of this or that according to this or that political scheme etc. We have so much more to do to move this wheel. So much more.

 

I want to call a truce for all of us to begin aknew. I want to say we must find ourselves once again sitting in the circle of relevance. It doesn't matter how much we speak on this or that, if we can not find a way to come together to move this forward we shall fail our task collectively even if individually we may seem to be thinking we do well.

 

And we shall see where we failed for sure when we meet the maker. For sure.

 

So what say ye knights of the Grail? What say ye?

 

All good things,

Dottie




#37505 From: "write3chairs@..." <write3chairs@...>
Date: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:31 pm
Subject: Re: To the Knights of the Grail
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Surrounded by the enemy? Well, take up thy sword. :)

#37506 From: "write3chairs@..." <write3chairs@...>
Date: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:32 pm
Subject: Fwd: Re:To the Knights of the Grail
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Date: June 11, 2008 11:29:39 AM CDT
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Subject: Re:To the Knights of the Grail

Say ye me, the circle of relevance is relevant.

Jennifer


#37508 From: "write3chairs" <write3chairs@...>
Date: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:44 pm
Subject: Albert's test question / LOTR
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Fly, you fools?

(Had to consult my daughter on that one.)

Jennifer

#37509 From: "Frank Thomas Smith" <eltrigal78@...>
Date: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:32 pm
Subject: Regrets from Gaelman
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#37510 From: dottie zold <dottie_z@...>
Date: Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:21 am
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Yeah I know what Gaelman means. I too have had to look at these things each night after I wrote them and many times cringed. And yet it was the growing curve I didnt' know I needed to have. Before the internet you would have never found me ever with this way of being. I did not  know it could exist in me. And to me this is such a great forum to out our doubles. It is incredibly important that we meet our double and that we are tested and tried. And we get to see how we fare as we move foward not really realizing we are courting our double and those of others. It's been an invaluable lesson that I would have avoided if I knew what was the passage was. Thankfully I did not know and embarked upon it and tried to make ammends as I moved foward each day each month each year.

 

The Imagination Troubador, a quarterly news letter and also online mag put out by Daniel Bittleston, Adams' son, has a wonderful quote by Rudolf Steiner speaking to this very issue. I will share it later on this evening.

 

Thanks Frank and Gaelman for the opportunity to share my portion of it as well.

 

All good things,

Dottie

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#37511 From: "write3chairs" <write3chairs@...>
Date: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: Regrets from Gaelman
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--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, dottie zold wrote:

> Yeah I know what Gaelman means. I too have had
> to look at these things each night after I wrote
> them and many times cringed. And yet it was the
> growing curve I didnt' know I needed to have.
> Before the internet you would have never found
> me ever with this way of being. I did not know
> it could exist in me. And to me this is such
> a great forum to out our doubles. It is incredibly
> important that we meet our double and that we are
> tested and tried. And we get to see how we fare
> as we move foward not really realizing we are
> courting our double and those of others.
> It's been an invaluable lesson that I would have
> avoided if I knew what was the passage was.
> Thankfully I did not know and embarked upon it
> and tried to make ammends as I moved foward
> each day each month each year.

Yes, this is definitely the kind of thing one would
tend to avoid and I doubt any one of us would have
chosen to be tossed into the very flames that would
come to help fire us to some semblance of perfection.

Reminds me of Gibran's "The Prophet," on love.

When love beckons to you, follow him,
Though his ways are hard and steep.
And when his wings enfold you yield to him,
Though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you.
And when he speaks to you believe in him,
Though his voice may shatter your dreams
as the north wind lays waste the garden.

For even as love crowns you so shall he crucify you. Even as he is
for your growth so is he for your pruning.
Even as he ascends to your height and caresses your tenderest
branches that quiver in the sun,
So shall he descend to your roots and shake them in their clinging to
the earth.

Like sheaves of corn he gathers you unto himself.
He threshes you to make you naked.
He sifts you to free you from your husks.
He grinds you to whiteness.
He kneads you until you are pliant;
And then he assigns you to his sacred fire, that you may become
sacred bread for God's sacred feast.

All these things shall love do unto you that you may know the secrets
of your heart, and in that knowledge become a fragment of Life's
heart.

But if in your fear you would seek only love's peace and love's
pleasure,
Then it is better for you that you cover your nakedness and pass out
of love's threshing-floor,
Into the seasonless world where you shall laugh, but not all of your
laughter, and weep, but not all of your tears.
Love gives naught but itself and takes naught but from itself.
Love possesses not nor would it be possessed;
For love is sufficient unto love.

When you love you should not say, "God is in my heart," but
rather, "I am in the heart of God."
And think not you can direct the course of love, for love, if it
finds you worthy, directs your course.

Love has no other desire but to fulfill itself.
But if you love and must needs have desires, let these be your
desires:
To melt and be like a running brook that sings its melody to the
night.
To know the pain of too much tenderness.
To be wounded by your own understanding of love;
And to bleed willingly and joyfully.
To wake at dawn with a winged heart and give thanks for another day
of loving;
To rest at the noon hour and meditate love's ecstasy;
To return home at eventide with gratitude;
And then to sleep with a prayer for the beloved in your heart and a
song of praise upon your lips.


> The Imagination Troubador, a quarterly news letter
> and also online mag put out by Daniel Bittleston,
> Adams' son, has a wonderful quote by Rudolf Steiner
> speaking to this very issue. I will share it later
> on this evening.


Did you share this already? I will look for it, Dottie.


> Thanks Frank and Gaelman for the opportunity to share
> my portion of it as well.


Yes, thanks to Frank for sharing it here and to Gaelman
(again) for outing himself in such a noble way. :)

Jennifer


> All good things,
> Dottie
>
> --- On Wed, 6/11/08, Frank Thomas Smith wrote:
>
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/anthroposophy_world/message/454

#37512 From: dottie zold <dottie_z@...>
Date: Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:51 am
Subject: Re: To the Knights of the Grail
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#37513 From: dottie zold <dottie_z@...>
Date: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:07 pm
Subject: Re: To the Knights of the Grail
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I wanted to share the thought from How To Know Higher Worlds that Daniel Bittleston, Adam's son, offered in his quarterly Imagination Troubador.

 

Daniel: One needs more energy on a spiritual path than i ordinarly daily life. In How To Know Higher Worlds, Rudolf Steiner clearly states how thsi energy is available.

 

"As the sun's rays quicken all living things, awe i us quickens all the feelings in our soul. Inititiates find the strength to lift themselves to the heights of knowledge only because they first guide their hearts into the depths of awe and devotion. Spiriutal life has its laws...every feeling of true devotion unfolded in the soul produces an inner strength or energy that sooner or later leads to knowledge. Juas as surely every feeling of devotion and awe nurtures the soul's powers for higher knowledge, so ever act of criticism and judgement drives these energies away. Modern science, industry, transportation, commerce, law - all these would never have developed without the universal exercise of our critical faculty and standards of judgement. But the price of this gain in our outer culture has been a corresponding loss in higher knowledge and spiritual life." How To Know Higher Worlds

 

All good things,

Dottie



#37514 From: dottie zold <dottie_z@...>
Date: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:16 pm
Subject: Re: To the Knights of the Grail
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Let's try this again with spell check! Whew.


 

I wanted to share the thought from How To Know Higher Worlds that Daniel Bittleston, Adam's son, offered in his quarterly Imagination Troubador.

 

Daniel: One needs more energy on a spiritual path than in ordinary daily life. In How To Know Higher Worlds, Rudolf Steiner clearly states how this energy is available.

 

"As the sun's rays quicken all living things, awe in us quickens all the feelings in our soul. Inititiates find the strength to lift themselves to the heights of knowledge only because they first guide their hearts into the depths of awe and devotion. Spiritual life has its laws...every feeling of true devotion unfolded in the soul produces an inner strength or energy that sooner or later leads to knowledge. Just as surely every feeling of devotion and awe nurtures the soul's powers for higher knowledge, so every act of criticism and judgement drives these energies away. Modern science, industry, transportation, commerce, law - all these would never have developed without the universal exercise of our critical faculty and standards of judgement. But the price of this gain in our outer culture has been a corresponding loss in higher knowledge and spiritual life." How To Know Higher Worlds



#37515 From: dottie zold <dottie_z@...>
Date: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:54 pm
Subject: Re: To the Knights of the Grail/Rhythm of incarnations
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Hey Friends,

 

I was checking out Adriana Koulias' Holy Grail lecture and it occurred to me how it is that when we sense into the descent of the Christ throughout the various epochs we too, through understanding His rhythm in the mysteries, also find our own biographies according to its ongoing revelation in relations to the Christ.

 

So allowing ourselves to experience the rhythms, not just the story of the rhythms, but the experience of the rhythms with Christ, we meet ourselves in our previous lives, which include the good the bad the ugly. And that's all good. Good to consider these things so that we are prepared in the future when the veil will be lowered and we have not done our work in this area.

 

Allowing ourselves to experience what we might have been experiencing in the  mysterie schools throughout the various epochs will serve our finding our biographies. Not for oneself but for the whole.

 

All good things,

Dottie



#37516 From: dottie zold <dottie_z@...>
Date: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:00 pm
Subject: Re: To the Knights of the Grail/Sixth Epoch
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Friends I was thinking about when we return and how 'who we are will already be told to us by the adversary' and how we have to overcome this. And I was also thinking how the 'hosts' who are fallen will be even worse than can be possibly imagined. Worse because we have our own today but they are not seen or known fully, we don't really experience as we will experience them in the future.

 

But there is something about the Mani in me that knows these two shall be transformed, this too is part of our destiny, or so is my thinking. I can not separate them out as we come to realize that for every good thing created a shadow is immenent.

 

These beings will be speaking to us through the human being in a way that will deter us from that human being with whom we have a responsibility. Brother what ails thee is not just something we say without feeling for the whole. It will take even greater courage in the future to speak forth these words.

 

If today we do not find a way to reconcile the absolute need to speak forth these words 'brother what ails thee' we shall not be able to contribute to the Christ as best we could. If we can not find the way to love those that seem abhorant today we shall not be able to do this tomorrow.

 

The Buddha Eight Fold Path found in Rudolf Steiner's Guidance of Esoteric Training, helps towards this end.

 

All good things,

Dottie



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