"I truly must be missing something, Daniel. He said nothing at all about their dying of disease! I understand you think that's what he *meant* but surely it is obvious even to you that to claim it's "exactly what Steiner said too" is preposterous."
I think that this actually is not obvious to Daniel, believe it or not. As far as I can tell, he really does think -- just like Detlef and Andrea et al. -- that his own inventive reading of the Steiner passage is what Steiner himself said. This is called an eisegetical interpretation: reading into the text content that is not there. One reason this approach seems sound to so many anthroposophists is that they believe their own personal understanding of Steiner's work as a whole sets the standard for all readings. Andrea, for example, writes:
"Anthroposophy is a" Symphony" and you can't discuss on and on only a single note or movement without a true knowledge of the whole!!"
Because Andrea mistakes himself for the conductor of the symphony, he thinks that his own perception of "the whole" determines what "true knowledge" is. Since anthroposophy as a whole simply cannot contain any jarring notes that do not fit onto Andrea's or Daniel's or Detlef's private copy of the score, it is a simple matter to declare that the false notes in Steiner's published works aren't really there in the first place. Such arguments are, in turn, remarkably persuasive with people who find something really weird about examining their own thought process. Thus does the auto-reinforcing cycle of anthroposophist misreadings of Steiner continue.
Daniel, I see you decline to speculate on why, if Steiner was clairvoyant, he couldn't have already known all about immunology. Oh well. ... I truly must be...
Diana wrote: "I truly must be missing something, Daniel. He said nothing at all about their dying of disease! I understand you think that's what he *meant* but...
Diana wrote: "I truly must be missing something, Daniel. He said nothing at all about their dying of disease! I understand you think that's what he *meant* but...
Hi Mike, you wrote: "You know, If your just reading words" Steiner left a lot of words behind. The way to understand words is to read them. You don't have to...
M: Hey, what the hell happened to over all theme of my original reply? "and have no regard for the integrated unitary world view that Anthroposophy is" P: ...
Hi Mike, thanks for the tone of this post. You wrote: "Hey, what the hell happened to over all theme of my original reply?" I thought I addressed it. I think...
Peter Staudenmaier wrote: "Uh, yeah, that's the point. My standards of proof are meaningless to people who have already decided ahead of time that Steiner's ...
Peter, I really don't have time to go into detail right now. This jumped out at me. M; "I think it safe to say that you dislike racism. can you honestly tell...
Hi Mike, you wrote: "All this inevitably plays a role in *your*analysis of the material." Yes, of course it does. Are you trying to say that you think it would...
"All this suggests that, although the causes of collapse or decline may seem to be quite obvious, there is really an important distinction to be made between...
Diana, Thank you for your thoughts on this. I think I understand well where you are coming from, and what you are trying to say. I won't waste your time any ...
Daniel dismisses me: "Diana, Thank you for your thoughts on this. I think I understand well where you are coming from, and what you are trying to say. I won't...
... You know what Diana, this is not a game. Patrick is interacting with you as a person interested in checking something out and you keep taking on this ...
Dottie, you're a laugh a minute considering your interactions with Raymon this morning :) Do you realize that you *asked* Raymon for the information that you...
... the ... Hey Diana, I am not jumping all over Raymond. I am asking him to provide this doctrine he is speaking about that he says Dr. Steiner asks us to...
I second Diana's questions to Daniel (or was that Patrick?), but I also have my own question for both of them. Diana referred to "the thesis of the Atlantic...
I referred to: "the thesis of the Atlantic Monthly article describing the possibility that the Native Americans succumbed to European germs rather than...
Thanks to a tip from a reader of this list, I just spent a couple of very interesting minutes at google, and discovered something I hadn't even thought of...
Daniel wrote: "If you lived in 1910, you had no concepts such as immunology. You lacked the scientific fact of genetic similarity and immune response. You had...
Hi Daniel, you wrote: "And if you're a biologist, ethnologist or medical doctor, you explain it by reference to the actual racial character of Native Americans...
Hi Daniel, you wrote: "And if you're a biologist, ethnologist or medical doctor, you explain it by reference to the actual racial character of Native Americans...
Hi Daniel, you wrote: "Well, in case you haven't been following, that is the consensus view of the primary causes of the decline in native population of the...
This was interesting. Peter, what do you think are the ten most important books for understanding the issue of race and the history of racism - the ten books...
... Diana, I have written three posts on the subject. If you don't understand what I am saying, that is your perogative. I have mentioned several times that...
Here's some more stuff for Daniel that's been sitting around a few ... Yes, I know you have, Daniel, but not one of them explicates this; you just kept saying...
Please, Peter. I really suspect you haven't read the article or the quotes I selected from it. The plague killed up to 30% of the European population. The...
Hi Daniel, you wrote: "The Native Americans were hit with multiple infectious diseases, simultaneously, and did not know how to deal with them - their...
... (before the European settlements) - with almost all Native Americans who died there not having seen a European. None of this is to in any way excuse what...