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how to misread Steiner

Diana wrote:
 
 
"I truly must be missing something, Daniel. He said nothing at all about their dying of disease! I understand you think that's what he *meant* but surely it is obvious even to you that to claim it's "exactly what Steiner said too" is preposterous."
 
 
I think that this actually is not obvious to Daniel, believe it or not. As far as I can tell, he really does think -- just like Detlef and Andrea et al. -- that his own inventive reading of the Steiner passage is what Steiner himself said. This is called an eisegetical interpretation: reading into the text content that is not there. One reason this approach seems sound to so many anthroposophists is that they believe their own personal understanding of Steiner's work as a whole sets the standard for all readings. Andrea, for example, writes:
 
 
"Anthroposophy is a" Symphony" and you can't discuss on and on only a single note or movement without a true knowledge of the whole!!"
 
 
Because Andrea mistakes himself for the conductor of the symphony, he thinks that his own perception of "the whole" determines what "true knowledge" is. Since anthroposophy as a whole simply cannot contain any jarring notes that do not fit onto Andrea's or Daniel's or Detlef's private copy of the score, it is a simple matter to declare that the false notes in Steiner's published works aren't really there in the first place. Such arguments are, in turn, remarkably persuasive with people who find something really weird about examining their own thought process. Thus does the auto-reinforcing cycle of anthroposophist misreadings of Steiner continue.
 
 
Peter
 
 
 
 


 

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Daniel, I see you decline to speculate on why, if Steiner was clairvoyant, he couldn't have already known all about immunology. Oh well. ... I truly must be...
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12:06 pm

Diana wrote: "I truly must be missing something, Daniel. He said nothing at all about their dying of disease! I understand you think that's what he *meant* but...
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Apr 23, 2004
6:04 pm

Diana wrote: "I truly must be missing something, Daniel. He said nothing at all about their dying of disease! I understand you think that's what he *meant* but...
Mike Helsher
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Apr 23, 2004
7:20 pm

Hi Mike, you wrote: "You know, If your just reading words" Steiner left a lot of words behind. The way to understand words is to read them. You don't have to...
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Apr 24, 2004
3:00 am

M: Hey, what the hell happened to over all theme of my original reply? "and have no regard for the integrated unitary world view that Anthroposophy is" P: ...
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Apr 24, 2004
5:27 am

Hi Mike, thanks for the tone of this post. You wrote: "Hey, what the hell happened to over all theme of my original reply?" I thought I addressed it. I think...
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Apr 24, 2004
8:17 pm

Peter Staudenmaier wrote: "Uh, yeah, that's the point. My standards of proof are meaningless to people who have already decided ahead of time that Steiner's ...
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Peter, I really don't have time to go into detail right now. This jumped out at me. M; "I think it safe to say that you dislike racism. can you honestly tell...
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Apr 25, 2004
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Apr 25, 2004
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"All this suggests that, although the causes of collapse or decline may seem to be quite obvious, there is really an important distinction to be made between...
holderlin66 Offline Send Email Apr 23, 2004
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Diana, Thank you for your thoughts on this. I think I understand well where you are coming from, and what you are trying to say. I won't waste your time any ...
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Apr 24, 2004
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Daniel dismisses me: "Diana, Thank you for your thoughts on this. I think I understand well where you are coming from, and what you are trying to say. I won't...
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... You know what Diana, this is not a game. Patrick is interacting with you as a person interested in checking something out and you keep taking on this ...
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... the ... Hey Diana, I am not jumping all over Raymond. I am asking him to provide this doctrine he is speaking about that he says Dr. Steiner asks us to...
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Apr 26, 2004
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I second Diana's questions to Daniel (or was that Patrick?), but I also have my own question for both of them. Diana referred to "the thesis of the Atlantic...
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Apr 26, 2004
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I referred to: "the thesis of the Atlantic Monthly article describing the possibility that the Native Americans succumbed to European germs rather than...
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Daniel wrote: "If you lived in 1910, you had no concepts such as immunology. You lacked the scientific fact of genetic similarity and immune response. You had...
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Apr 24, 2004
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Hi Daniel, you wrote: "And if you're a biologist, ethnologist or medical doctor, you explain it by reference to the actual racial character of Native Americans...
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Apr 24, 2004
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Hi Daniel, you wrote: "And if you're a biologist, ethnologist or medical doctor, you explain it by reference to the actual racial character of Native Americans...
at@ael...
dh487 Offline Send Email
Apr 25, 2004
3:40 am

... Perhaps this is why we're waiting in vain for PS to produce an anti-Semitic quote by Friedrich Rittelmeyer. Tarjei...
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Apr 25, 2004
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Hi Daniel, you wrote: "Well, in case you haven't been following, that is the consensus view of the primary causes of the decline in native population of the...
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Apr 25, 2004
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This was interesting. Peter, what do you think are the ten most important books for understanding the issue of race and the history of racism - the ten books...
at@ael...
dh487 Offline Send Email
Apr 28, 2004
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... Diana, I have written three posts on the subject. If you don't understand what I am saying, that is your perogative. I have mentioned several times that...
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Apr 26, 2004
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Here's some more stuff for Daniel that's been sitting around a few ... Yes, I know you have, Daniel, but not one of them explicates this; you just kept saying...
winters_diana Offline Send Email May 1, 2004
1:09 pm

Please, Peter. I really suspect you haven't read the article or the quotes I selected from it. The plague killed up to 30% of the European population. The...
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Apr 26, 2004
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Hi Daniel, you wrote: "The Native Americans were hit with multiple infectious diseases, simultaneously, and did not know how to deal with them - their...
Peter Staudenmaier
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Apr 27, 2004
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... (before the European settlements) - with almost all Native Americans who died there not having seen a European. None of this is to in any way excuse what...
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