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Re: Amma and the Gays

--- In ammachi_free_speech_zone@yahoogroups.com, Tony <ammastony@y...>
wrote:
> Isn't homosexual activities a sign of the fall of basic humanity ?
It's everywhere. Why does Amma tolerate this so much. Lots of Lesbians
follow Amma is there some something going on ? Is going to India and
the ashram a way to convert not only to hinduism but also lesbianisn ?
Just curious and no disrespect intended ?

I am a gay woman and a serious devotee of Amma. It has been my
experience that Amma is not homophobic. Of course Amma is not
homophobic, she is the embodiment of pure love. To think otherwise is
to not understand why she is here. Ignorance is the crutch of those
trapped in the ego. Why not point out how many African American or
Asian people attend her programs and then ask why Amma tolerates
it...Why is Amma not a racist???

God is not a racist or a homophobe. Homophobia is some peoples way of
expressing the fear that revolves around something they don't
understand or something that doesn't appeal to them personally.

I am a gay woman who can vouch for the fact that Amma did arrange my
relationship...and blessed it....and loves us both no less than any
other devotee. Amma cares no more about what goes on in a gay persons
bedroom than she does about a straight persons. Celibacy is the goal,
whether gay or straight. There is no difference.

you wrote: "Is going to India and the ashram a way to convert not only
to hinduism but also lesbianisn ?"

Well, I have not been to India or the ashram, so what's my excuse?

Jai Ma!

Ananthasree






>
> ammastony
>
> buggybam <buggybam@y...> wrote:
> My personal view is that Amma is not terribly concerned with our
> sexual preferences. Despite her immense status spiritually, she
will
> sometimes tailor her actions to certain cultural/political mores if
it
> serves a larger purpose. She also says things that contradict
> themselves, usually to different people under different
circumstances.
>
> With respect to gay marriage (at devi bhava) she has said to at
> least one inquiring lesbian that I know that the world isn't ready
for
> it yet, that too many people would be upset by it. (paraphrased).
This
> was years ago and i read here that she married two women in michigan
> last fall, though without end-of-bhava ceremony. There are plenty
of
> gay relationships among devotees and she treats them with the same
> regard and concern as straight relationships. It could 'even' be
> argued that she has set a few up.
>
> On the other hand I know of her telling one devotee that gay sex
is
> 'unnatural', but this devotee was 'straight' as well as a very
serious
> renunciate. I will admit to a gay-freindly interpretation of the
> above - Why? Because I am gay and also because the I find the
> Natural/Unnatural argument rather fatuous at point - I think that
the
> sphere of sex desire in general in this age is so warped that it is
> all more or less unnatural. Not to mention that virtually every
thing
> about our lives today can hardly be described as natural -
> physically/mentally/chemically, etc...
>
> I think that she tells everyone something they need to hear and I
> interpret the above as her way of strenghtening a celibate's
> disenchantment with sexuality in general.
>
> So yes, if you are homophobic (definition: hating/judging gayness)
> then you might find all the ammunition you can dream of in the above
> paragraph. Have at it if you are so compelled - but call it what
it is.
>
> By the way, to those who would cite a scriptural basis for their
> homophobia, whether vedic or biblical or koranic, I am hardly
> impressed. Our scriptures are a patchwork of divinity and
> politics...(which is another discussion altogether).
>
> It is my impression that Amma is just far more fascinated with the
> love or lack thereof in our hearts than in our sex habits.
>
>
> bug.
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My personal view is that Amma is not terribly concerned with our sexual preferences. Despite her immense status spiritually, she will sometimes tailor her...
buggybam Offline Send Email May 4, 2005
6:58 pm

... Yep. And why should any of us equate the 'natural' with what is 'good' anyway? We should not blur these categories - many things are 'natural' that no one...
seriouswalks Offline Send Email May 5, 2005
6:32 am

Isn't homosexual activities a sign of the fall of basic humanity ? It's everywhere. Why does Amma tolerate this so much. Lots of Lesbians follow Amma is there...
Tony
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Aug 14, 2005
12:24 am

... It's everywhere. Why does Amma tolerate this so much. Lots of Lesbians follow Amma is there some something going on ? Is going to India and the ashram a...
Ananthasree
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Aug 14, 2005
1:23 am

... I've been going to Amma's Michigan programs every year since 2000 and I always can't help notice how few black people attend - considering that the city of...
Mike Brooker
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Aug 14, 2005
5:21 am

I just think it's odd. Call me a homophobe or whatever. I love all people but I feel very uncomfortable around gays. As I should I think. I think it's...
Tony
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Aug 14, 2005
5:40 am

... people but I feel very uncomfortable around gays. As I should I think. I think it's disgusting and unnatural.It sounds like Amma is setting girls up with...
Ananthasree
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Aug 14, 2005
6:00 am

Ananthasree and all who are reading this who might be homosexual, I am so sorry ! Please forgive me. I do love all people I just didn't understand why Amma is...
Tony
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Aug 14, 2005
6:28 am

... OK -- You're a homophobe, Tony, and no whatever about it. Your attitude is not different than someone thinking it's disgusting an unnatural for two people...
Jim Butler
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Aug 14, 2005
8:23 am

Sorry , I married a woman of another color. I am not like that. I guess I am a homopobic though. Why is Amma setting girls up with each other ? Please ... OK...
Tony
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Aug 14, 2005
8:29 am

In the light of spirituality, gay or straight does not matter. What matters is removing the delusional aspect of the mind we call ego - the sense of being...
Ethan Walker
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Aug 15, 2005
2:04 pm

Cool story Ethan. Who was this character? I have to reread the Mahabharat! Do you recommend a particular translation? ... What matters ... sense of ... ...
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2:47 pm

Sikhandi. ... pleasure ... the ... front...
manoj_menon Offline Send Email Aug 15, 2005
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At one time I purchased the made for TV series of the Mahabharata from an online Indian culture store. It was 24 VHS tapes each being 3 hours long. It took...
Ethan Walker
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Aug 15, 2005
7:00 pm

... There is a bit of difference IMHO.. It is impossible for a black person to become white, though you gotta give Michael Jackson credit for trying, or to...
Mike Brooker
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Aug 14, 2005
2:27 pm

... Maybe because she loves them unconditionally....
Rick Archer
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Aug 14, 2005
5:45 pm

In a message dated 8/14/2005 1:40:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, ammastony@... writes: .It sounds like Amma is setting girls up with girls , whats up with...
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Aug 14, 2005
3:12 pm

Isn't homosexual activities a sign of the fall of basic humanity ? It's everywhere. Why does Amma tolerate this so much. Lots of Lesbians follow Amma is there...
Tony
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Aug 14, 2005
12:25 am

I read once about why blacks are under-represented at these sort of things, written by a black. She said that it is due to white man's colonialism that we feel...
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