Tom and I have been having a friendly little discussion on Salvatore Calderone, an early boss in western Pennsylvania. I'd like to bring in other people's...
I couldn't comment on the Pittsburgh subject but as regards the Luciano book; Tom has canvassed opinion on the book before & the natural inclination is to be...
On Question 2, is Calderone mentioned in Hank Messick's books? I don't have a real high regard for them but Messick does quote from Gentile some. Rick Mattix ...
Just so everyone knows what we're discussing. Here is the relevant portion of The Last Testament of Lucky Luciano. (In my 1975 hardcover edition, it occurs on...
... And I don't believe Gentile places Calderone at the Maranzano coronation. (I don't have any trouble believing that Calderone was there, but Gentile seems...
... Just want to mention a couple of things: 1. The possibly fabricated Last Testament story about Luciano's travels cannot be reconciled with the possibly...
I think the default position for all historians must always be;he killed him so he could take what was his. You know the stories ;he was stealing,he was a...
Yep. Of course Luciano acted in his own best interests. But I don't think "I killed him because it benefited me" is an acceptable justification within the...
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Oct 3, 2008 10:45 pm
The best account by far on Meyer Lansky is the 1991 book by Robert Lacey, "Little Man." He tries to get past the myths. One outstanding example is the idea...
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Yeah, well ... as I argue, the May 1929 Atlantic City meeting was confined to guys from Chicago. How this myth started that Luciano, Lansky, and god only...
Tom,my point,& I did have one,is that perhaps historians should start from that point & work outwards.I suspect most mob murders are more easily solved that...
... Dave, I don't think that's the right test. I believe we should ask: Were Capone's comments in any way self-serving. If so, they should be discounted as...
In most reports i've seen,Lansky took the honeymoon suite in the 'best' hotel in town,quite openly with Anne his wife of two weeks.If that's bull,you're on to...
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Oct 4, 2008 10:37 am
Funnily enough, there are names mentioned in a Chicago Tribune report. Those there "or by proxy" were given on May 18, 1929, included Torrio, Aiello, Moran,...
Dave, Terrific. Let's see where that leads us. Who on the East Coast could have had the clout to assemble such a list of Midwest gang bosses? (If the guys...
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Oct 4, 2008 12:11 pm
You're making a lot of assumptions though. First, they may have met in AC because it was simply a fashionable resort that wasn't under the same kind of...
I typed a long message and my explorer errored out so I'll keep this brief... I typed a long message and my explorer errored out so I'll keep this brief... The...
It's funny how my initial questions on Calderone and the Luciano book were transformed into a discussion on the Atlantic City conference of 1929. I would...
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Oct 5, 2008 12:02 pm
Hi, Ryan The problem is that both Gentile and Valachi described how Maranzano was indeed planning to kill a number of those he considered as enemies. Steve...
As I stated, I'm sure that Maranzano was plotting, but I wouldn't consider Valachi a realiable source in that regard. He had a tendency to grandstand and take...
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Oct 7, 2008 8:55 pm
But Gentile says the same - that there was a list that Maranzano compiled. We also know, from Gentile, that Maranzano tried earlier to induce Scalise to kill...
One day you're going to have to share the Gentile stuff with me.. seems to be a gold mine I haven't laid eyes on yet ... to ... a ... fiction. ... only ... ...
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Oct 8, 2008 8:56 pm
I understand that Tom Hunt has a better copy. I got mine done cheaply as a favor, and it seems from talking to Tom, that my guy left out some passages that...
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Oct 13, 2008 9:24 am
Is there an easy way of posting photos on this website? Checked "Photos" under Members Only, but it didn't seem to be working. No "attachment" button I can...
... Frustrating ... ... The photos section should now be open for member posts. But I am not sure of your official membership in the group. Check it out. If it...
... The Pinzolo and Mangano photos - in a smaller and slightly less detailed format - can be viewed in the DaveC Photos album in this group's Photos section....
Works fine for me,Tom. Many thanks. There don't seem to be too many pictures of Mangano floating about. And in the few i've seen, he always looks angelic. As...
Added a couple more photos. Dave. ... pictures of Mangano floating about. And in the few i've seen, he always looks angelic. As the old London saying...
Does anyone recall a Jewish, mob informant who played a key role in a mid-1980s Boston organized crime case? A newspaper reporter is trying to piece some...
