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4891 carl Z
czar14617 Offline Send Email
Sep 1, 2011
1:09 pm
going back too the early 1900's they all belonged too street gangs does any recall some of the names of those gangs --i know about the 9 pointers -but lets...
4892 Goran Hrkman
hrkmangoran Offline Send Email
Sep 1, 2011
5:47 pm
Hi Carl, In East Harlem, for example, there were a lot of streetgangs the local mafia used for different "jobs" and occasionally filled its roster from. The...
4893 David Critchley
ukthesis Offline Send Email
Sep 1, 2011
7:04 pm
They say Masseria and the Five Points, but there's no real evidence for that.  I never found any. In the book, I differentiate the first Mafiosi in America...
4894 Goran Hrkman
hrkmangoran Offline Send Email
Sep 1, 2011
7:49 pm
You´re right Dave. And there was a time reporters and crime historians and writers attributed almost every New York gangster´s crime roots to the Five Points...
4895 Richard Warner
rishsam1 Offline Send Email
Sep 2, 2011
12:40 am
There are claims that Luciano and Capone were in the Five Points Gang, but never saw proof.  Capone lived in Brooklyn and for the most part the Five Points...
4896 larryro101 Offline Send Email Sep 2, 2011
9:36 am
Almost if not every Mafia member in new York form 1930's era came up on tough streets, but not really in gangs. Kids organized by block they lived on more...
4897 larryro101 Offline Send Email Sep 2, 2011
9:36 am
Here is a good list of 1950 era street gangs. http://www.stonegreasers.com/greaser/newyork.html...
4898 Goran Hrkman
hrkmangoran Offline Send Email
Sep 2, 2011
9:37 am
Carl, The toughest streetgang out of Bensonhurst, Brooklyn was the Rampers. (Well...according to Gravano.) The Rampers were involved in a shootout with some...
4899 Ryan A
ryan_12177 Offline Send Email
Sep 2, 2011
7:58 pm
We know that there was a relationship between Maseria and Yale prior to Yale's death, well really it was assumed due to both having relationships with Carfano...
4900 ron
ront247 Offline Send Email
Sep 2, 2011
9:35 pm
My gut feeling has always been that Frankie Yale was a much more substantial figure than given credit for on this site. He was top dog over a large swath of...
4901 Ryan A
ryan_12177 Offline Send Email
Sep 2, 2011
9:37 pm
I think the only reason that Capone was suspected was because of the weapons found in the vehicle that the killers abandoned. If memory serves there was an...
4902 larryro101 Offline Send Email Sep 3, 2011
10:56 am
I don't know what gang was toughest, I don't think any one gang can really claim that title. People who had relatives in certain street gang will say it...
4903 David Critchley
ukthesis Offline Send Email
Sep 3, 2011
10:57 am
An interesting post, but the argument that the evidence against Capone for ordering the murder is fairly strong.  They traced a machine gun found (unused) in...
4904 David Critchley
ukthesis Offline Send Email
Sep 3, 2011
10:57 am
Wouldn't wouldn't that be quite strong evidence?  At least, it suggests that of the alternatives, the Capone connection one fits the facts as known the best? ...
4905 Goran Hrkman
hrkmangoran Offline Send Email
Sep 3, 2011
10:57 am
...And let´s not forget that the car the killers used had Illinois license plates. I have always had a feeling that the killers wanted to point the finger at...
4906 Goran Hrkman
hrkmangoran Offline Send Email
Sep 3, 2011
12:21 pm
I totally agree. Goran...
4907 David Critchley
ukthesis Offline Send Email
Sep 3, 2011
12:21 pm
I can see where you're coming from.  Experienced hitmen would perhaps not have left so many clues.  But there again, the firearms were traced to Capone, and...
4908 Ryan A
ryan_12177 Offline Send Email
Sep 3, 2011
1:02 pm
Capone being behind Yale's murder isn't a point that I think is really open to a ton of debate given the evidence, but Yale being a group leader for Masseria...
4909 Tom
tph1108 Offline Send Email
Sep 3, 2011
1:05 pm
What I think is amazing about the incident is the impact it had on journalistic interpretations of events. To many, Capone's apparent involvement in Yale's...
4910 David Critchley
ukthesis Offline Send Email
Sep 3, 2011
1:35 pm
I think it's true, but I also believe that Capone had far more power than that of a vassal.  He was clearly courted by the New Yorkers and operated almost...
4911 Larry Gluckman
hwyman80 Offline Send Email
Sep 3, 2011
2:50 pm
There are other Capone ties to Yale that bear mentioning. Frankie Yale was suspected of being the shooter of "Big" Jim Colosimo, having been asked by both...
4912 Tom
tph1108 Offline Send Email
Sep 3, 2011
7:37 pm
Trying to look at the Castellammarese War from Masseria's eyes: In the early going, the guy probably thought he had the war won. In preemptive strikes, he had...
4913 David Critchley
ukthesis Offline Send Email
Sep 3, 2011
9:50 pm
Even in the first stage though his attacks were weak.  He knew the Gaglianos were against him, but really did nothing.  Then Maranzano entered.  If we...
4914 Ryan A
ryan_12177 Offline Send Email
Sep 3, 2011
9:58 pm
That is a statement that we could never put to a real test. Your assumption is that A. all of the killings attributed to Capone were done by his group and that...
4915 David Critchley
ukthesis Offline Send Email
Sep 3, 2011
11:24 pm
None of this is set in stone, but I would question the original claim that Capone was in any sense a vassal of Masseria.  Of the two, I would put my money on...
4916 Ron T.
ront247 Offline Send Email
Sep 4, 2011
1:04 am
OK, before I go any further, what is the evidence that Capone was behind Yale's killing? What were the motives, liquor theft? Why would Yale do that?  Unione...
4917 Ron T.
ront247 Offline Send Email
Sep 4, 2011
1:04 am
I would not consider Gravano to be a reputable source, even if the topic was what he had for lunch. Of course he says his street gang was the toughest. ...
4918 ron
ront247 Offline Send Email
Sep 4, 2011
1:04 am
David, I agree. can't see Capone as a vassal....
4919 Ryan A
ryan_12177 Offline Send Email
Sep 4, 2011
1:07 am
It was the fact that the weapons that were found in the vehicle unfired(the machine gun specifically) was traced back to the german guy in Chicago that...
4920 Ryan A
ryan_12177 Offline Send Email
Sep 4, 2011
1:12 am
I've read the story that Capone agreed to pay Masseria a fee to become a capo and thus give him credibility with the Mafia, but I have no real knowledge where...
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