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Londonstani,
Thank you for your excellent reporting. I'm a big believer that the right amount of personal antecdotes and narratives tied into qualitative/quantitative analysis and multiple case studies best help accurately define a problem set. Your reporting is providing a piece to this puzzle- well done.
I thought you summed this up well, "Londonstani has spent time in a couple of places where conflict is brewing or escalating and has found that such situations have a logic and momentum of their own." From an initial western perspective, these problems can look muddled and irrational; however, I found that almost every conflict is rational on the lowest levels- even the suidide bomber. Many motivators for conflict can be traced back to emotion and the pursuit of power/wealth.
Stay safe and keep the dispatches flowing.
Mike
I found that this para in your conclusion merited further comment:
"It has to be said, from the point of view of your average citizen, like the good people above who gave me some of their time, there was no Taliban in Pakistan when there was no America in Afghanistan. And in much the same way that Americans and Europeans can say, "Just leave them to kill each other", Pakistanis can say, "al Qaeda attacking America is not our problem. America pissed them off not us." But then your average Pakistani citizen knows or cares little about how successive Pakistani militaries were building up the capacity of extremists to fight wars for them on the cheap. And if they did, they probably wouldn't give much thought to the fact that such a relationship is ultimately not sustainable, because at some point the two parties' interest will diverge. If it wasn't the "war on terror" that made the Pakistani government "infidel" in the eyes of the Lashkars, Sipahes and Jamaats, it would have been something else."
I think the Pakistanis would remind you that the Lashkars, Sipahes, and Jamaats are not the actors targeting Pakistan’s cities today. That would be the TTP and its component groups based in the FATA and NWFP. Those elements are more closely related to the Haqqani’s than to the sectarian or Indian focused groups. This is a very important point. While I am not in denial about indicators that India focused groups are increasingly collaborating with the FATA based groups they are by no means the main effort. The groups targeting the Pak state are those that think it is enabling U.S. attacks against them. I don't mean to imply that the U.S. shouldn't target these groups, we should when they threaten our interests, but we should not confuse the logic behind their strategy.
Also, you note that the average citizen cares little about that the PakMil has used these groups as proxies. Pakistan has created many proxy groups over the years but history tells us that not all are unsustainable across reasonable time horizons (10-20 years is all one can expect a politican to see - and that's best case). If you buy my premise, that those that attack the government today are based in the FATA, then it is worth noting that those groups (Haqqani’s, Hekmetyar’s, etc….)were created and financed not only by the Pak Mil and Saudi’s but by us as well. The average Pakistani does now this although admittedly they've probably added an exaggerated and conspiratorial twist to this understanding.
Thank you for your reporting. Putting faces and a bit of background together with the attitudes being expressed makes reading about them much more personal. It certainly makes it easier to understand how people that we don’t know can come to conclusions that seem completely outlandish to us. Please keep posting reports.
Pictorial Profile of Hakimullah Mehsud
Great Job!
I would only add one more thing: Your psychoanalysis of the "common man's" confusions may be correct, but dont underestimate the layer of confusion ADDED ON by army psyops to whatever was inevitable and expected in ANY human society.
The army has been running the country in one form or the other since 1953, they have a lot of leverage in the media (much of it unrecognizable to the casual observer). They have a particular interest in trying to project foreigners/Indians/CIA/Jews as the cause of all our troubles. And that interest may not even be primarily ideological (meaning it may not be because the army is all jihadi). Some of the motivation may be more pragmatic: The army high command may be willing to change course on the jihadi issue and even kill its own creations but they are NOT willing to sit back and let bloody civilians run the country as they see fit. If they accept responsibility for this mess it wont take long for ordinary people to realize that the "corrupt civilians" have done much less damage to the country than the super-efficient smartly dressed military patriots, which means the bloody civilians may be giving orders to generals one day.....
I know this sounds too conspiratorial (maybe it is, maybe some bloody civilians have been blaming the army so long, they cannot think any other way), but I suspect that the high command is pretty shrewd when it comes to their interests in the power game. Bottom line: if the army wanted, it could actually demonize these talibans and terrorists much more. The problem is, they want them demonized, but not to the point where people start asking questions about "strategic depth"....Of course, they may actually believe their own propaganda. Its very easy to believe what is in the interest of your pocketbook..
Londonstani,
I consider this piece to be the best one you have written. As some of you may know, I hold very harsh views towards Islam, and it isn't for personal religious reasons for I have no religion to speak of. Your piece was able to shed great light upon the situation, and I felt that it helped to broaden my views (as cliched as that might sound). The piece helps lessen my harsh views, especially when you discuss the manifold ways in which a person might be driven to an act like suicide bombing (the madrassa bit in the last paragraph was especially interesting). Good stuff, keep it up.
Btw, the general impression I get as a pretty well-read American is that Pakistan is negligent in meeting the needs of America. Pakistan has pretty much failed to sufficiently confront the Taliban and other radical elements until the recent military effort, which may or may not prove to be cursory/superficial/ineffective. I found it highly interesting that so many Pakistanis found their own country to be a servant of America, when a person view of history has lead me to believe that Pakistan has only put on a show of helping the US, given the billions of dollars in aid that have been spent.
Londonastani's right, no one likes admitting how dysfunctional their communities/ kinsfolk can be. I saw a similar documentary recently, although the rascist kids featured in this particular documentary werent blowing up markets, they were an embarrasment to their community:
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/homepage/Southmead-police-residents-hit-B...
Thanks for the post. But I would like to echo Steve Coll, "Surely an adorable zoo animal gave birth somewhere, people."