--- In allplanets-hollow@yahoogroups.com, "Damir" <pavicic.damir@...> wrote:
>
> Dean,
> I doubt anything in space is just per pure case and everything is following
certain physical patterns.
> I don't think the orifice could be ellipsoid just to suit us.
> There is one your photo from Feb.2006 of Pluto's orifice in photo section.That
is an excellent(but probably photoshopped) photo, which shows that Pluto's crust
can't be more than one quarter of it's radius.
> Why than Earth's can't be one sixth?
> Here is the representation of my thoughts on that:
>
> [IMG]http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u204/capada/holepole.jpg[/IMG]
>
> Note on above drawing that I chose crust-core width to be 1149 nm and the
start of the hole at 79 deg.latitude about.
>
> All the suppositions till now of Earth's crust width are just that
suppositions,mine as well of course.
> "Etidorpha" was written long time ago like all other books on the subject.We
should not stick to the facts from those sources, as even if hidden today most
of the facts, our knowledge is much bigger now.
>
> Damir
>
>
> --- In allplanets-hollow@yahoogroups.com, "deandddd" <deandddd@> wrote:
> >
> > Damir,
> >
> > I don't quite understand your need or rational for an Earth with a thicker
crust. Why would the curvature of the orifice have to be uniformly half
circular? If you examine the depression at the North Pole of Mars, you can see
that it has fissures along the floor. It seems that, as planets expand (Thank
you, Neil Adams) there is some kind of ripping action that takes place. With
this in mind, I don't see a context for a uniform curvature, especially one with
such a gradual slope, along the opening.
> >
> > The width of the opening at its neck has been pegged at around 80 miles in
the book Etidorhpa, I believe it was 80 miles. But I don't remember any
rationale being presented, nor was Etidorhpa presented as an explicitly
scientific book.
> >
> > Yes, the uniform motion of the Sun at the equinox skimming the horizon, from
that video that you sent us, does tell us that the Amudsen station is not along
the inner slope. I don't know if they claim that it is exactly at the Pole or
not. So according to your calculations, it must be at right about 78* because
that is where the slope begins to curve inwards, right?
> >
> > Peary and MacMillan reported foreshortening of the horizon at the top or
just above Greenland and/or it was Ellesmere Island, which would be at 75* or
perhaps just above, so your calculation seems to be coherent with their report.
> >
> > Dean
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Damir
> > To: allplanets-hollow@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 11:57 AM
> > Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: NO HOLES ON THE POLES
> >
> >
> > Yes DEAN,
> > your assumptions are good and the rest very well explained.
> >
> > Both Byrd and Amundsen were aware in 1926, when they flew to north pole,
in three days difference, that there is a hole there.
> > I assume that Nobile was against Amundsen plans and that was the cause of
the argue between them.
> >
> > Best quality of all the observation on Antarctica as far north as possible
but still in normal earth curvature .That is why all main polar stations are
equidistant from the pole and probably just outside of the start of the hole
which probably is the case of Scott-Amundsen station too.
> >
> > Three years ago when I made first maps of the holes I judged their start
at 78 deg latitude.By acquiring new knowledge and some evidences I started to
diminish the size till 85 deg.
> > In view of new evidences I went back on my original believes that the
holes start at 78 deg about.
> > However this poses me a new problem of inner span of the holes. convinced
it is not big somewhere around 100 nm
> > Now I shall have to increase the width of the crust as am convinced that
the curvature of the hole should be uniformly half circular.
> >
> > NOW SHALL PRESENT YOU ALL ACTUALLY VISIBLE START OF THE HOLE ON
ANTARCTICA.
> >
> > This is zenith Google Earth image on which I placed supposed position of
Scott-Amundsen south pole station from one side and McMurdo position from
other.I connected them with several lines.
> >
> >
[IMG]http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u204/capada/googleearthimageAntarctichol\
e-zenit.jpg[/IMG]
> >
> > This instead is the same image but from lateral view.There are well
visible the lines I placed and which continue to follow normal earth's curvature
if there would be no holes.The earth itself starts downward slope which is well
visible on the borders till the white cone which of course is artificial.
> >
> >
[IMG]http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u204/capada/googleearthimageAntarctichol\
e-la-1.jpg[/IMG]
> >
> > Damir
> > Damir
> >
> > --- In allplanets-hollow@yahoogroups.com, "deandddd" <deandddd@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Damir,
> > >
> > > Very nice work.
> > >
> > > So, because the observed angle of the Sun is greater than 23*, they
could not be at the South Pole in the orthodox scheme of things, is this the
idea?
> > >
> > > They are so near to the openings that there has to be an "inward" slope
in that area, which, of course, is causing the inconsistency.
> > >
> > > The first photo, of Amudsen, has a caption that reads "Taking an
observation at the Pole." This means that he was shooting the Sun with a
sextant, is that it? If so, this means that he was aware of the inconsistent
angle, too.
> > >
> > > So he could have known about the opening. His uncle had been aboard
Nansen's ship Fram when the expedition experienced all of those anomalies near
the opening, and his failed zepplin expedition in 1926 observed mirages of
exotic buildings with domes like in the Middle East, something like that. This
was from above Greenland.
> > >
> > > Dean
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Damir
> > > To: allplanets-hollow@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:17 AM
> > > Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: NO HOLES ON THE POLES
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi to all the members,
> > > it was difficult for me to accept the the non existence of the holes on
the poles in view of these evidences:
> > >
> > > Let's start with south pole Scott-Amundsen station.
> > >
> > > In the navigation on the ocean we use to establish our position, before
the existence of GPS,by stars,planets,sun and moon.
> > > Let's concentrate on the sun and especially when it is at it's highest
position.We call it Phi meridian and it gives us exact line of latitude at
chronometric time using ephemerids tables.
> > > For rough estimation we need just the date or even for less accuracy
only the month to find the line of latitude by the hight of the sun over the
horizon.Each degree of latitude makes 60 nm (1 nm = 1852 mts).
> > >
> > > We know that the inclination of the earth's axis of rotation is 23.5
deg. cca to the ecliptic plane or the plane of it's revolution around the
sun.Therefor twice in a year at solstice (21st June and 21st Dec)
> > > the axis is at it's max. inclination to the sun and twice at
equinoxes(21st March and 21st Sept)there is no inclination.
> > >
> > > We are interested here on the hight of the sun in or around winter
solstice as I shell present you one number of photos from Scott - Amundsen south
pole station with visible shades of the sun.
> > > I have placed on them triangular ruler so you could read the angle.
> > > The best angle reading is when the shade is parallel to the viewer or
when it is visible on vertical background.
> > > Beware any angle if more than 23.5 deg. is impossible for south pole.
> > >
> > > You could make yourself measurement on your eventual photos by measuring
the shade on the ground parallel to the viewer by taking this simple rules :If
the shade and the object are equal the angle is 45 deg, if it is twice the
object is 34.6 deg. and trice 18.8 deg.
> > >
> > > Let's start with the oldest Amundsen on the pole:
> > >
> > >
[IMG]http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u204/capada/southpoleshade11.jpg[/IMG]
> > > at this photo some little interpolation should be done as shade not
parallel to the viewer.
> > >
> > > Let's continue with the brightest:
> > >
> > >
[IMG]http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u204/capada/holepole003.jpg[/IMG]
> > >
> > > and so on
> > >
> > >
[IMG]http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u204/capada/southpoleshade2.jpg[/IMG]
> > >
> > >
[IMG]http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u204/capada/southpoleshade3.jpg[/IMG]
> > >
> > >
[IMG]http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u204/capada/southpoleshade4.jpg[/IM
> > >
> > >
[IMG]http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u204/capada/southpoleshade6.jpg[/IMG]
> > >
> > > and here is GPS exactly on south pole and the shades of buttons on it
shows sun at 35 deg:
> > >
> > > [IMG]http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u204/capada/90south2.jpg[/IMG]
> > >
> > > and this one is important as it is the still image from a video of on
line conference in real time and we here them say the date and even the hour
Sunday Sept 26th 2006 at 07 00 hrs.
> > >
> > >
[IMG]http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u204/capada/holepole007.jpg[/IMG]
> > >
> > > and here is the calculation of the angle it should be on the pole at
that date:
> > >
> > >
[IMG]http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u204/capada/holepole009.jpg[/IMG]
> > >
> > > Damir
> > >
> >
>