From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@...>
Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:11 AM

A santero read for me.

--- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, OniChango <michaelito72@ ...> wrote:
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> SO who read the shells for you? Was it read by a santero?
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> From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ ...>
> To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:11:35 PM
> Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
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> Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to figure what to do at this
> point and where to go. So I'm here for guidance.
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> And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!!
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> Many blessings!!
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> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote:
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> > when she can lol
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...>
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm
> > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote:
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> > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...>
> > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
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> > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya?
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> > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work.
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> > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
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> > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
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> > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
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> > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > Manager Northern California Services League
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> > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
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> > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
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> > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I
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> > > > Eddie Aguilar
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> > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
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> > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
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> > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
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> > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
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> > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
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> > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
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> > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
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> > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help!
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From: Oyawole <oyalove9@...>
Subject: [aleyos-online] The Virginia Santero
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 10:45 AM

Alaafia Kim:

I want you to know that I was not bashing anyone when I cautioned on the be careful side of dealing with Esu .. ;-) ... but, the Santero is Baba Obbalade -- Obbalade@aol. com ..email him, he is a Priest of Obatala ... He will be very kind and helpful

Oyawole

--- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "baby_48046" <baby_48046@ ...> wrote:
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> Alafia,
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> Thank you for responding also OmiLaded, I appreciate it. I am uncertain what has happened with my Madrina, there isn't a response anymore. And I live in a different state now as well and do not have anyone to turn to at this point except you all. I have gone to a specialist, and we have run many tests to determine what exactly is the problem. With the insurance I had, it covered 90% of infertility coverage, and at best I was still paying over $750 a month for treatment. Without insurance currently, I cannot even contemplate how much it will cost, nor do I have the money or same job anymore. Of course I'm glad I don't have that job anymore, but that's another story for another time.
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> I've been looking for the response where someone stated they live in Virginia, but cannot find it. Can that person/people please email me? I'd appreciate it.
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> Have a great day everyone!
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> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@ > wrote:
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> > Alafia to everyone,
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> > I have been meaning to reply to these posts, but I have been exhausted with work. 
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> > To answer the young lady (Kim) that is trying to get pregnant.  First of all do you have a godparent that could help you with this, because I would recommend you bring this issue to him/her.  If you don't belong to a house try seeking the help of a Babalawo or an Obba that can determine what the problem is.  They can be pricey but Orunla is never wrong.  That would be your best route. 
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> > Chance are you will need to determine what is wrong with your uterus and it may need to be cleansed to help you reproduce.  The way it is often cleansed is with a Pumpkin utilizing Ochun.  The reproductive organs is govern by Ochun therefore that is why you would do that.  Also, since yemaya is the Orisha that rules with fertility something can be done with her to assist with that matter.  Ochun and Yemaya are sister so they often work together in things like this. 
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> > It is difficult to recommend a spell to you without knowing how familiar you are with the Orishas.  All this should be coming from the house you belong to, but I understand that some houses do not share everything with their aleyos. 
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> > -------Now with Luis.  You say you have separate altars.  In general we have the altar for the bobo egguns (muertos/ancestors) .  In the eggun altar we only have those that are related to us, thus our ancestors. 
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> > Often people will have a separate altar where they keep their other deities such as San Lazaros, Indios, and Congos.  They are not to be mixed with the table for the bobo egguns.
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> > Remember the Egguns (muertos) comes before anything, because before there were Orishas there were muertos so we must always honor them first.  The muertos do work faster than the Orishas, but that doesn't mean that we disregard the Orishas specially if you have been initiated. 
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> > You said you have been focusing your prayer to the warriors, is there a specific reason for that?  On a daily basis you should do the prayer to the Muertos, because they are the one to guide you.  Once that prayer is done along with Our Father & Hail Mary then you can if needed do your prayer to the warriors, but we must pay respect to our egguns first.  I am not sure if you do this already.
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> > Anyway, I think I got all caught up.  I hope I didn't miss anything else.
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> > OmiLaded
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> > --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Oyawole <oyalove9@> wrote:
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> > From: Oyawole <oyalove9@>
> > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 7:26 AM
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> > I was wondering also -- when u stated you have altars for all of these entities or dieties .. I was wondering if you have had them separated .. by your conversation -- intelligent -- I figured as such ...
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> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...> wrote:
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> > > Yemaya Kid:
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> > >  All my altars are separated. I would never mix an altar. Thank you for your concern
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> > > Luis M. Aroche
> > > Day Reporting Center
> > > State Parolee Case Manager
> > > Northern California Services League
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> > > --- On Mon, 3/23/09, yemayakid@ . <yemayakid@ ..> wrote:
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> > > From: yemayakid@ . <yemayakid@ ..>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:46 AM
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> > > this sounds like a bad combo... ancestor altars cannot be mixed with san lazaro and chango
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 3:01 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > When you say Muertos, do you mean your ante pasados ( your ancestors) . I been focusing all my prayers to my warriors. I do have an altar sit up for my pass love ones, for St. Lazrus, Cambio Sile Chango and  for the spirits of the Indio.
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> > > Luis M. Aroche
> > > Day Reporting Center
> > > State Parolee Case Manager
> > > Northern California Services League
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> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@aol. com <evaobadoba@ aol. com> wrote:
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> > > From: evaobadoba@aol. com <evaobadoba@ aol. com>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
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> > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha  but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya 
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.  Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.  But that is just the way I work.
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> > > Bendicion de mis mayores
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> > > Silvana
> > > OcanTomi 
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> > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
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> > > Eddie Aguilar
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> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
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> > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors
> > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
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> > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > > Manager Northern California Services League
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> > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
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> > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
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> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > > Eddie Aguilar
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> > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
> > > > yahoo.
> > > >
> > > > > com> wrote:
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> > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
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> > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
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> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
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> > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
> > > > long
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> > > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
> > > > the
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> > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
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> > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
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From: Oyawole <oyalove9@...>
Subject: [aleyos-online] The Virginia Santero
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 10:45 AM

Alaafia Kim:

I want you to know that I was not bashing anyone when I cautioned on the be careful side of dealing with Esu .. ;-) ... but, the Santero is Baba Obbalade -- Obbalade@aol. com ..email him, he is a Priest of Obatala ... He will be very kind and helpful

Oyawole

--- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "baby_48046" <baby_48046@ ...> wrote:
>
> Alafia,
>
> Thank you for responding also OmiLaded, I appreciate it. I am uncertain what has happened with my Madrina, there isn't a response anymore. And I live in a different state now as well and do not have anyone to turn to at this point except you all. I have gone to a specialist, and we have run many tests to determine what exactly is the problem. With the insurance I had, it covered 90% of infertility coverage, and at best I was still paying over $750 a month for treatment. Without insurance currently, I cannot even contemplate how much it will cost, nor do I have the money or same job anymore. Of course I'm glad I don't have that job anymore, but that's another story for another time.
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> I've been looking for the response where someone stated they live in Virginia, but cannot find it. Can that person/people please email me? I'd appreciate it.
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> Have a great day everyone!
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> Kim
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> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@ > wrote:
> >
> > Alafia to everyone,
> >  
> > I have been meaning to reply to these posts, but I have been exhausted with work. 
> >  
> > To answer the young lady (Kim) that is trying to get pregnant.  First of all do you have a godparent that could help you with this, because I would recommend you bring this issue to him/her.  If you don't belong to a house try seeking the help of a Babalawo or an Obba that can determine what the problem is.  They can be pricey but Orunla is never wrong.  That would be your best route. 
> >  
> > Chance are you will need to determine what is wrong with your uterus and it may need to be cleansed to help you reproduce.  The way it is often cleansed is with a Pumpkin utilizing Ochun.  The reproductive organs is govern by Ochun therefore that is why you would do that.  Also, since yemaya is the Orisha that rules with fertility something can be done with her to assist with that matter.  Ochun and Yemaya are sister so they often work together in things like this. 
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> > It is difficult to recommend a spell to you without knowing how familiar you are with the Orishas.  All this should be coming from the house you belong to, but I understand that some houses do not share everything with their aleyos. 
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> > -------Now with Luis.  You say you have separate altars.  In general we have the altar for the bobo egguns (muertos/ancestors) .  In the eggun altar we only have those that are related to us, thus our ancestors. 
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> > Often people will have a separate altar where they keep their other deities such as San Lazaros, Indios, and Congos.  They are not to be mixed with the table for the bobo egguns.
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> > Remember the Egguns (muertos) comes before anything, because before there were Orishas there were muertos so we must always honor them first.  The muertos do work faster than the Orishas, but that doesn't mean that we disregard the Orishas specially if you have been initiated. 
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> > You said you have been focusing your prayer to the warriors, is there a specific reason for that?  On a daily basis you should do the prayer to the Muertos, because they are the one to guide you.  Once that prayer is done along with Our Father & Hail Mary then you can if needed do your prayer to the warriors, but we must pay respect to our egguns first.  I am not sure if you do this already.
> >  
> > Anyway, I think I got all caught up.  I hope I didn't miss anything else.
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> > OmiLaded
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> > --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Oyawole <oyalove9@> wrote:
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> > From: Oyawole <oyalove9@>
> > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 7:26 AM
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> > Alaafia Luis:
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> > I was wondering also -- when u stated you have altars for all of these entities or dieties .. I was wondering if you have had them separated .. by your conversation -- intelligent -- I figured as such ...
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> > Oyawole
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> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...> wrote:
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> > > Yemaya Kid:
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> > >  All my altars are separated. I would never mix an altar. Thank you for your concern
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> > > Luis M. Aroche
> > > Day Reporting Center
> > > State Parolee Case Manager
> > > Northern California Services League
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> > > --- On Mon, 3/23/09, yemayakid@ . <yemayakid@ ..> wrote:
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> > > From: yemayakid@ . <yemayakid@ ..>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:46 AM
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> > > do have an altar sit up for my pass love ones, for St. Lazrus, Cambio Sile Chango and  for the spirits of the Indio.
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> > > this sounds like a bad combo... ancestor altars cannot be mixed with san lazaro and chango
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 3:01 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > When you say Muertos, do you mean your ante pasados ( your ancestors) . I been focusing all my prayers to my warriors. I do have an altar sit up for my pass love ones, for St. Lazrus, Cambio Sile Chango and  for the spirits of the Indio.
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> > > Luis M. Aroche
> > > Day Reporting Center
> > > State Parolee Case Manager
> > > Northern California Services League
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> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@aol. com <evaobadoba@ aol. com> wrote:
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> > > From: evaobadoba@aol. com <evaobadoba@ aol. com>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
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> > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha  but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya 
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.  Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.  But that is just the way I work.
> > >  
> > > Bendicion de mis mayores
> > >  
> > > Silvana
> > > OcanTomi 
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> > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font>
> > > <font face="System" ></font>& nbsp;
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> > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
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> > > Eddie Aguilar
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> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
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> > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors
> > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > >
> > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > > Manager Northern California Services League
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> > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > com> wrote:
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> > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
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> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
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> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > > I would say to consult and see what
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> > > > > Silvana
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> > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
> > > > <aintyebizniz@
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> > > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I
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> > > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
> > > > yahoo.
> > > >
> > > > > com> wrote:
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> > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
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> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
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> > > > > Alafia,
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> > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
> > > > long
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> > > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
> > > >
> > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
> > > > help me
> > > >
> > > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help!
> > > >
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> > > > > Many thanks!
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From: Marie S. <mgs_617@...>
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:10 AM

I'm sorry...but I don't have any advice, but I sympathize with you...I have been looking for godparents for years and it seems like almost every person I meet, either seems nice at first or is rude from the beginning. I am all alone and I have no where to turn either...my health is failing I spent the last month bedridden... but I'll pray that you find someone close to you that can shed some light on your issues....   one thing that might help if you haven't done it already is ask your ancestors. Set an altar with coffee, a glass of cool water and anything else that you think that they might like...petition them at the same time everyday for 7 days.... I have done this for several things in my life and it has been somewhat helpful. --- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com> wrote: From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com> Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:53 AM First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a shell reading. Try re-reading that. I said shells were thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba was never born with shells. Second of all, you should really READ what is being said instead of throwing stones, when all one is really trying to do is get and gain some sort of guidance and get answers to questions regarding situations. This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and asked questions in the past. They say many people have no idea or understanding about this or that, yet when one asks questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have individuals like yourself who like to throw "stones" instead of trying to be helpful. For those who have responded in kind, thank you very much. I am truly looking for guidance and some assistance. Please feel free to email me. I don't know much except for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really all I can go with at this point. --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "Oyawole" <oyalove9@.. .> wrote: > > Alafia Eddie: > > She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking that she had a reading???? By a priest???? > > Oyawole > > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ > wrote: > > > > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered this post of yours correctly yet, but SHELLS?  This religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in the head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua with cocos but not my elders, but shells?  They are BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have no right to be using them, the answers they are giving you are nonsense, and you are probably giving Ellegua a big headache to boot.  Stop fooling us and yourself.  You are DEAD WRONG to be casting shells > >   > > Eddie Aguilar > > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > wrote: > > > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to figure what to do at this > > point and where to go. So I'm here for guidance. > > > > And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!! > > > > Many blessings!! > > > > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote: > > > > > > when she can lol > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > Luis M. Aroche > > > > > > Day Reporting Center > > > > > > State Parolee Case Manager > > > > > > Northern California Services League > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work. > > > > > > ? > > > > > > Bendicion de mis mayores > > > > > > ? > > > > > > Silvana > > > > > > OcanTomi? > > > ? > > > > > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font> > > > > > > <font face="System" ></font>& nbsp; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun. > > > > > > Eddie Aguilar > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors > > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas. > > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow. > > > > > > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case > > > > Manager Northern California Services League > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo. > > > > com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo. > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > > > > > > To: "aleyos-online@ > > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@ > > > > yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say to consult and see what > > > > > > > > > Elegua have to say, and ask who you should petion and > > > > what > > > > > > > > > offering you need to make. ?Or if you have a > > > > godparent go > > > > > > > > > to him/ her for advice. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silvana > > > > > > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar > > > > <aintyebizniz@ > > > > > > > > > yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baby, I believe fertility is > > > > > > > > > controlled by Yemaya, who rules the reproductive > > > > system, but > > > > > > > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I > > > > have no > > > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > Eddie Aguilar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > > > > yahoo. > > > > > > > > > com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > > > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alafia, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long > > > > long > > > > > > > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford > > > > the > > > > > > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there > > > > > > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can > > > > help me > > > > > > > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Job Hunting? 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From: Marie S. <mgs_617@...>
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:10 AM

I'm sorry...but I don't have any advice, but I sympathize with you...I have been looking for godparents for years and it seems like almost every person I meet, either seems nice at first or is rude from the beginning. I am all alone and I have no where to turn either...my health is failing I spent the last month bedridden... but I'll pray that you find someone close to you that can shed some light on your issues....   one thing that might help if you haven't done it already is ask your ancestors. Set an altar with coffee, a glass of cool water and anything else that you think that they might like...petition them at the same time everyday for 7 days.... I have done this for several things in my life and it has been somewhat helpful. --- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com> wrote: From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com> Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:53 AM First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a shell reading. Try re-reading that. I said shells were thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba was never born with shells. Second of all, you should really READ what is being said instead of throwing stones, when all one is really trying to do is get and gain some sort of guidance and get answers to questions regarding situations. This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and asked questions in the past. They say many people have no idea or understanding about this or that, yet when one asks questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have individuals like yourself who like to throw "stones" instead of trying to be helpful. For those who have responded in kind, thank you very much. I am truly looking for guidance and some assistance. Please feel free to email me. I don't know much except for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really all I can go with at this point. --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "Oyawole" <oyalove9@.. .> wrote: > > Alafia Eddie: > > She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking that she had a reading???? By a priest???? > > Oyawole > > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ > wrote: > > > > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered this post of yours correctly yet, but SHELLS?  This religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in the head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua with cocos but not my elders, but shells?  They are BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have no right to be using them, the answers they are giving you are nonsense, and you are probably giving Ellegua a big headache to boot.  Stop fooling us and yourself.  You are DEAD WRONG to be casting shells > >   > > Eddie Aguilar > > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > wrote: > > > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to figure what to do at this > > point and where to go. So I'm here for guidance. > > > > And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!! > > > > Many blessings!! > > > > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote: > > > > > > when she can lol > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > Luis M. Aroche > > > > > > Day Reporting Center > > > > > > State Parolee Case Manager > > > > > > Northern California Services League > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work. > > > > > > ? > > > > > > Bendicion de mis mayores > > > > > > ? > > > > > > Silvana > > > > > > OcanTomi? > > > ? > > > > > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font> > > > > > > <font face="System" ></font>& nbsp; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun. > > > > > > Eddie Aguilar > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors > > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas. > > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow. > > > > > > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case > > > > Manager Northern California Services League > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo. > > > > com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo. > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > > > > > > To: "aleyos-online@ > > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@ > > > > yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say to consult and see what > > > > > > > > > Elegua have to say, and ask who you should petion and > > > > what > > > > > > > > > offering you need to make. ?Or if you have a > > > > godparent go > > > > > > > > > to him/ her for advice. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silvana > > > > > > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar > > > > <aintyebizniz@ > > > > > > > > > yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baby, I believe fertility is > > > > > > > > > controlled by Yemaya, who rules the reproductive > > > > system, but > > > > > > > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I > > > > have no > > > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > Eddie Aguilar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > > > > yahoo. > > > > > > > > > com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > > > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alafia, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long > > > > long > > > > > > > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford > > > > the > > > > > > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there > > > > > > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can > > > > help me > > > > > > > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Job Hunting? 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From: Oyawole <oyalove9@...>
Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 3:25 PM

Mai:

OMGGGGG!!! I have heard this over and over and over ... things I have seen that Santera/os have done to their Godchildren face upp!!!has been unbelieveable .. OMG .. people take your time!!! Trash is out there .. waiting to suck up your money like a funnel and give you NADA .. wowwwww! Horrible.

Ase to you and Luz to the Spirit of your Mommy!

Oyawole

--- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@ ...> wrote:
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> Yes, the egguns is a very good start and resource.  They are there to help us during times of need and we often forget about them. 
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> Before the Orishas there were egguns, so we should try to go the them.
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> I am sorry to hear that you haven't been able to find godparents.  I had my share of bad godparents and in fact my madrina in Kari Ocha was a piece of work and it was a very difficult battle with me especially since she took my mom to be initiated into Ocha for health reasons.
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> I had such a bad taste in my mouth after all she did to misguide us, especially when we needed her most for my mom and she misled us all the way and wasn't there to support us.  Unfortunately, my mom past away and the thing that hurt me the most was that it was told to my mom in her Ita that if she was misled she would die, because she needed to be religious.  Our madrina at the time, worry more about money and never gave my mom her Ita notebook and my mom was never able to do the things that were in the notebook to save her life.  So, now I strongly recommend that when you are searching for godparents, especially if its for health reasons to be very very selective.
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> If you notice that they aren't there to answer your questions at first, walk away.  If you notice that they have mood swings or tend to be short, mean, and rude, walk away.  If they have a arrogant attitude walk away.  If they want to take advantage of your situation, by asking for outrageous prices walk away.  A good godparent will be there for you in the good times and the bad times.  They will guide you in the right path and teach you all that needs to be taught.  They will be easily accessible and take extra precautions of those that need the extra care for health reasons.  Godparents are like an extra pair of parents and if they can't be good to their own children then they can't be good to you.
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> Ask you egguns and guardian to guide you the right way and pray for guidance at all times.  Don't rush, because when you least expect it you will run into the ones that are out there just for the money and they do nothing but trash and then they want someone else to correct their mistakes.
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> Where are you located?
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> OmiLaded
> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Marie S. <mgs_617@... > wrote:
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> Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:10 AM
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> I'm sorry...but I don't have any advice, but I sympathize with you...I have been looking for godparents for years and it seems like almost every person I meet, either seems nice at first or is rude from the beginning. I am all alone and I have no where to turn either...my health is failing I spent the last month bedridden...
> but I'll pray that you find someone close to you that can shed some light on your issues....
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> one thing that might help if you haven't done it already is ask your ancestors. Set an altar with coffee, a glass of cool water and anything else that you think that they might like...petition them at the same time everyday for 7 days.... I have done this for several things in my life and it has been somewhat helpful.
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> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com> wrote:
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> From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:53 AM
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> First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a shell reading. Try re-reading that. I said shells were thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba was never born with shells.
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> Second of all, you should really READ what is being said instead of throwing stones, when all one is really trying to do is get and gain some sort of guidance and get answers to questions regarding situations.
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> This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and asked questions in the past. They say many people have no idea or understanding about this or that, yet when one asks questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have individuals like yourself who like to throw "stones" instead of trying to be helpful.
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> For those who have responded in kind, thank you very much. I am truly looking for guidance and some assistance. Please feel free to email me. I don't know much except for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really all I can go with at this point.
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> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "Oyawole" <oyalove9@ .> wrote:
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> > Alafia Eddie:
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> > She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking that she had a reading???? By a priest????
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> > Oyawole
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> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ > wrote:
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> > > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered this post of yours correctly yet, but SHELLS?  This religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in the head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua with cocos but not my elders, but shells?  They are BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have no right to be using them, the answers they are giving you are nonsense, and you are probably giving Ellegua a big headache to boot.  Stop fooling us and yourself.  You are DEAD WRONG to be casting shells
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> > > Eddie Aguilar
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> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > wrote:
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> > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ >
> > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM
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> > > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to figure what to do at
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> > > point and where to go. So I'm here for guidance.
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> > > And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!!
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> > > Many blessings!!
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> > > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote:
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> > > > when she can lol
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> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...>
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote:
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> > > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...>
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
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> > > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya?
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> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work.
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> > > > ?
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> > > > Bendicion de mis mayores
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> > > > Silvana
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> > > > OcanTomi?
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> > > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font>
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> > > > <font face="System" ></font>& nbsp;
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> > > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
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> > > > Eddie Aguilar
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> > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
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> > > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors
> > > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > > >
> > > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > > > Manager Northern California Services League
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> > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
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> > > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
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> > > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
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> > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
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> > > > > > Baby, I believe fertility is
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> > > > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I
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> > > > > > Eddie Aguilar
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> > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
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> > > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
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> > > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
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> > > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
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> > > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
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> > > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
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From: Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@...>
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 2:43 PM

Yes, the egguns is a very good start and resource.  They are there to help us during times of need and we often forget about them.    Before the Orishas there were egguns, so we should try to go the them.   I am sorry to hear that you haven't been able to find godparents.  I had my share of bad godparents and in fact my madrina in Kari Ocha was a piece of work and it was a very difficult battle with me especially since she took my mom to be initiated into Ocha for health reasons.   I had such a bad taste in my mouth after all she did to misguide us, especially when we needed her most for my mom and she misled us all the way and wasn't there to support us.  Unfortunately, my mom past away and the thing that hurt me the most was that it was told to my mom in her Ita that if she was misled she would die, because she needed to be religious.  Our madrina at the time, worry more about money and never gave my mom her Ita notebook and my mom was never able to do the things that were in the notebook to save her life.  So, now I strongly recommend that when you are searching for godparents, especially if its for health reasons to be very very selective.   If you notice that they aren't there to answer your questions at first, walk away.  If you notice that they have mood swings or tend to be short, mean, and rude, walk away.  If they have a arrogant attitude walk away.  If they want to take advantage of your situation, by asking for outrageous prices walk away.  A good godparent will be there for you in the good times and the bad times.  They will guide you in the right path and teach you all that needs to be taught.  They will be easily accessible and take extra precautions of those that need the extra care for health reasons.  Godparents are like an extra pair of parents and if they can't be good to their own children then they can't be good to you.   Ask you egguns and guardian to guide you the right way and pray for guidance at all times.  Don't rush, because when you least expect it you will run into the ones that are out there just for the money and they do nothing but trash and then they want someone else to correct their mistakes.   Where are you located?   OmiLaded --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Marie S. <mgs_617@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Marie S. <mgs_617@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:10 AM I'm sorry...but I don't have any advice, but I sympathize with you...I have been looking for godparents for years and it seems like almost every person I meet, either seems nice at first or is rude from the beginning. I am all alone and I have no where to turn either...my health is failing I spent the last month bedridden... but I'll pray that you find someone close to you that can shed some light on your issues....   one thing that might help if you haven't done it already is ask your ancestors. Set an altar with coffee, a glass of cool water and anything else that you think that they might like...petition them at the same time everyday for 7 days.... I have done this for several things in my life and it has been somewhat helpful. --- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com> wrote: From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com> Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:53 AM First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a shell reading. Try re-reading that. I said shells were thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba was never born with shells. Second of all, you should really READ what is being said instead of throwing stones, when all one is really trying to do is get and gain some sort of guidance and get answers to questions regarding situations. This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and asked questions in the past. They say many people have no idea or understanding about this or that, yet when one asks questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have individuals like yourself who like to throw "stones" instead of trying to be helpful. For those who have responded in kind, thank you very much. I am truly looking for guidance and some assistance. Please feel free to email me. I don't know much except for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really all I can go with at this point. --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "Oyawole" <oyalove9@.. .> wrote: > > Alafia Eddie: > > She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking that she had a reading???? By a priest???? > > Oyawole > > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ > wrote: > > > > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered this post of yours correctly yet, but SHELLS?  This religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in the head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua with cocos but not my elders, but shells?  They are BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have no right to be using them, the answers they are giving you are nonsense, and you are probably giving Ellegua a big headache to boot.  Stop fooling us and yourself.  You are DEAD WRONG to be casting shells > >   > > Eddie Aguilar > > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > wrote: > > > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to figure what to do at this > > point and where to go. So I'm here for guidance. > > > > And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!! > > > > Many blessings!! > > > > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote: > > > > > > when she can lol > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > Luis M. Aroche > > > > > > Day Reporting Center > > > > > > State Parolee Case Manager > > > > > > Northern California Services League > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work. > > > > > > ? > > > > > > Bendicion de mis mayores > > > > > > ? > > > > > > Silvana > > > > > > OcanTomi? > > > ? > > > > > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font> > > > > > > <font face="System" ></font>& nbsp; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun. > > > > > > Eddie Aguilar > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors > > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas. > > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow. > > > > > > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case > > > > Manager Northern California Services League > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo. > > > > com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo. > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > > > > > > To: "aleyos-online@ > > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@ > > > > yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say to consult and see what > > > > > > > > > Elegua have to say, and ask who you should petion and > > > > what > > > > > > > > > offering you need to make. ?Or if you have a > > > > godparent go > > > > > > > > > to him/ her for advice. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silvana > > > > > > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar > > > > <aintyebizniz@ > > > > > > > > > yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baby, I believe fertility is > > > > > > > > > controlled by Yemaya, who rules the reproductive > > > > system, but > > > > > > > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I > > > > have no > > > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > Eddie Aguilar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > > > > yahoo. > > > > > > > > > com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > > > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alafia, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long > > > > long > > > > > > > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford > > > > the > > > > > > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there > > > > > > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can > > > > help me > > > > > > > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Job Hunting? Start with the companies that posted job openings this week. > > > > > >

From: Silvy <s_frak@...>
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 5:06 PM

Please do not judge all the Santera(o)'s in the community because of a rotten apple, all religions have rotten people.. It is HUMAN KIND and not the Religion. 

 

Silvana

 

 

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From: Oyawole <oyalove9@yahoo. com>
To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 4:25:42 PM
Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance

Mai:

OMGGGGG!!! I have heard this over and over and over ... things I have seen that Santera/os have done to their Godchildren face upp!!!has been unbelieveable .. OMG .. people take your time!!! Trash is out there .. waiting to suck up your money like a funnel and give you NADA .. wowwwww! Horrible.

Ase to you and Luz to the Spirit of your Mommy!

Oyawole

--- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@ ...> wrote:
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> Yes, the egguns is a very good start and resource.  They are there to help us during times of need and we often forget about them. 
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> Before the Orishas there were egguns, so we should try to go the them.
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> I am sorry to hear that you haven't been able to find godparents.  I had my share of bad godparents and in fact my madrina in Kari Ocha was a piece of work and it was a very difficult battle with me especially since she took my mom to be initiated into Ocha for health reasons.
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> I had such a bad taste in my mouth after all she did to misguide us, especially when we needed her most for my mom and she misled us all the way and wasn't there to support us.  Unfortunately, my mom past away and the thing that hurt me the most was that it was told to my mom in her Ita that if she was misled she would die, because she needed to be religious.  Our madrina at the time, worry more about money and never gave my mom her Ita notebook and my mom was never able to do the things that were in the notebook to save her life.  So, now I strongly recommend that when you are searching for godparents, especially if its for health reasons to be very very selective.
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> If you notice that they aren't there to answer your questions at first, walk away.  If you notice that they have mood swings or tend to be short, mean, and rude, walk away.  If they have a arrogant attitude walk away.  If they want to take advantage of your situation, by asking for outrageous prices walk away.  A good godparent will be there for you in the good times and the bad times.  They will guide you in the right path and teach you all that needs to be taught.  They will be easily accessible and take extra precautions of those that need the extra care for health reasons.  Godparents are like an extra pair of parents and if they can't be good to their own children then they can't be good to you.
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> Ask you egguns and guardian to guide you the right way and pray for guidance at all times.  Don't rush, because when you least expect it you will run into the ones that are out there just for the money and they do nothing but trash and then they want someone else to correct their mistakes.
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> Where are you located?
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> OmiLaded
> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Marie S. <mgs_617@... > wrote:
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> From: Marie S. <mgs_617@... >
> Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:10 AM
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> I'm sorry...but I don't have any advice, but I sympathize with you...I have been looking for godparents for years and it seems like almost every person I meet, either seems nice at first or is rude from the beginning. I am all alone and I have no where to turn either...my health is failing I spent the last month bedridden...
> but I'll pray that you find someone close to you that can shed some light on your issues....
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> one thing that might help if you haven't done it already is ask your ancestors. Set an altar with coffee, a glass of cool water and anything else that you think that they might like...petition them at the same time everyday for 7 days.... I have done this for several things in my life and it has been somewhat helpful.
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> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com> wrote:
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> From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:53 AM
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> First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a shell reading. Try re-reading that. I said shells were thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba was never born with shells.
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> Second of all, you should really READ what is being said instead of throwing stones, when all one is really trying to do is get and gain some sort of guidance and get answers to questions regarding situations.
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> This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and asked questions in the past. They say many people have no idea or understanding about this or that, yet when one asks questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have individuals like yourself who like to throw "stones" instead of trying to be helpful.
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> For those who have responded in kind, thank you very much. I am truly looking for guidance and some assistance. Please feel free to email me. I don't know much except for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really all I can go with at this point.
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> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "Oyawole" <oyalove9@ .> wrote:
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> > Alafia Eddie:
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> > She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking that she had a reading???? By a priest????
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> > Oyawole
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> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ > wrote:
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> > > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered this post of yours correctly yet, but SHELLS?  This religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in the head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua with cocos but not my elders, but shells?  They are BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have no right to be using them, the answers they are giving you are nonsense, and you are probably giving Ellegua a big headache to boot.  Stop fooling us and yourself.  You are DEAD WRONG to be casting shells
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> > > Eddie Aguilar
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > wrote:
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> > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ >
> > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM
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> > > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to figure what to do at
> this
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> > > And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!!
> > >
> > > Many blessings!!
> > >
> > > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote:
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> > > > when she can lol
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> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...>
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > Day Reporting Center
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> > > > Northern California Services League
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> > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote:
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> > > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...>
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
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> > > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya?
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> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work.
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> > > > ?
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> > > > Bendicion de mis mayores
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> > > > Silvana
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> > > > OcanTomi?
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> > > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font>
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> > > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
> > > >
> > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
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> > > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors
> > > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > > >
> > > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > > > Manager Northern California Services League
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> > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > > com> wrote:
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> > > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
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> > > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
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> > > > > > I would say to consult and see what
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> > > > > > offering you need to make. ?Or if you have a
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> > > > > > Silvana
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> > > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
> > > > > <aintyebizniz@
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> > > > > > Baby, I believe fertility is
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> > > > > > controlled by Yemaya, who rules the reproductive
> > > > > system, but
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> > > > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I
> > > > > have no
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> > > > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
> > > > > yahoo.
> > > > >
> > > > > > com> wrote:
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> > > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > >
> > > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
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> > > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
> > > > > long
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> > > > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
> > > > > the
> > > > >
> > > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
> > > > >
> > > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
> > > > > help me
> > > > >
> > > > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help!
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > > > Many thanks!
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From: OniChango <michaelito72@...>
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 7:14 PM

I mostly agree Erik & Mai Larsen.

Most of that is great advice and I would have to agree but there are certain things that just need to be and sometimes every question cannot be answered and it will not mean that they do not know or are being jerks about it.  Sometimes as you know, things are better left unsaid until after it has happened or been done.  This is where trust comes in with each other.

There are also many things that are on a need to know basis.

They do not need to be rude about it and they should not be money hungry either.  SO with this and all the rest I agree.  Remember this is a two way and they are also human.  They are allowed to have problems and may not always be available at your beck and call.  They also need to earn your trust and know that your intentions are good. 

Also remember that going around in circles or discussing certain things with people in other places is not good either.  If the trust exists and it should if you are doing anything with them it should go both ways.  After you trust then you should go with what they say.  They need to build a relationship with you as well so it is not all one way. 

However, they should be in no way shape or form rude with you or nasty or mocking or anythign like that.  The respect should be mutual. Still, sometimes people will make certain comments so they should not be taken too seriously but chisme shoudl nto be tolerated either.

That is my advice as well. 

OniChango
OníOní


 

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From: Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@ yahoo.com>
To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 2:43:44 PM
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance

Yes, the egguns is a very good start and resource.  They are there to help us during times of need and we often forget about them.    Before the Orishas there were egguns, so we should try to go the them.   I am sorry to hear that you haven't been able to find godparents.  I had my share of bad godparents and in fact my madrina in Kari Ocha was a piece of work and it was a very difficult battle with me especially since she took my mom to be initiated into Ocha for health reasons.   I had such a bad taste in my mouth after all she did to misguide us, especially when we needed her most for my mom and she misled us all the way and wasn't there to support us.  Unfortunately, my mom past away and the thing that hurt me the most was that it was told to my mom in her Ita that if she was misled she would die, because she needed to be religious.  Our madrina at the time, worry more about money and never gave my mom her Ita notebook and my mom was never able to do the things that were in the notebook to save her life.  So, now I strongly recommend that when you are searching for godparents, especially if its for health reasons to be very very selective.   If you notice that they aren't there to answer your questions at first, walk away.  If you notice that they have mood swings or tend to be short, mean, and rude, walk away.  If they have a arrogant attitude walk away.  If they want to take advantage of your situation, by asking for outrageous prices walk away.  A good godparent will be there for you in the good times and the bad times.  They will guide you in the right path and teach you all that needs to be taught.  They will be easily accessible and take extra precautions of those that need the extra care for health reasons.  Godparents are like an extra pair of parents and if they can't be good to their own children then they can't be good to you.   Ask you egguns and guardian to guide you the right way and pray for guidance at all times.  Don't rush, because when you least expect it you will run into the ones that are out there just for the money and they do nothing but trash and then they want someone else to correct their mistakes.   Where are you located?   OmiLaded --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Marie S. <mgs_617@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Marie S. <mgs_617@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:10 AM I'm sorry...but I don't have any advice, but I sympathize with you...I have been looking for godparents for years and it seems like almost every person I meet, either seems nice at first or is rude from the beginning. I am all alone and I have no where to turn either...my health is failing I spent the last month bedridden... but I'll pray that you find someone close to you that can shed some light on your issues....   one thing that might help if you haven't done it already is ask your ancestors. Set an altar with coffee, a glass of cool water and anything else that you think that they might like...petition them at the same time everyday for 7 days.... I have done this for several things in my life and it has been somewhat helpful. --- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com> wrote: From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com> Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:53 AM First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a shell reading. Try re-reading that. I said shells were thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba was never born with shells. Second of all, you should really READ what is being said instead of throwing stones, when all one is really trying to do is get and gain some sort of guidance and get answers to questions regarding situations. This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and asked questions in the past. They say many people have no idea or understanding about this or that, yet when one asks questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have individuals like yourself who like to throw "stones" instead of trying to be helpful. For those who have responded in kind, thank you very much. I am truly looking for guidance and some assistance. Please feel free to email me. I don't know much except for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really all I can go with at this point. --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "Oyawole" <oyalove9@.. .> wrote: > > Alafia Eddie: > > She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking that she had a reading???? By a priest???? > > Oyawole > > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ > wrote: > > > > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered this post of yours correctly yet, but SHELLS?  This religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in the head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua with cocos but not my elders, but shells?  They are BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have no right to be using them, the answers they are giving you are nonsense, and you are probably giving Ellegua a big headache to boot.  Stop fooling us and yourself.  You are DEAD WRONG to be casting shells > >   > > Eddie Aguilar > > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > wrote: > > > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to figure what to do at this > > point and where to go. So I'm here for guidance. > > > > And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!! > > > > Many blessings!! > > > > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote: > > > > > > when she can lol > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > Luis M. Aroche > > > > > > Day Reporting Center > > > > > > State Parolee Case Manager > > > > > > Northern California Services League > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work. > > > > > > ? > > > > > > Bendicion de mis mayores > > > > > > ? > > > > > > Silvana > > > > > > OcanTomi? > > > ? > > > > > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font> > > > > > > <font face="System" ></font>& nbsp; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun. > > > > > > Eddie Aguilar > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors > > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas. > > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow. > > > > > > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case > > > > Manager Northern California Services League > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo. > > > > com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo. > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > > > > > > To: "aleyos-online@ > > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@ > > > > yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say to consult and see what > > > > > > > > > Elegua have to say, and ask who you should petion and > > > > what > > > > > > > > > offering you need to make. ?Or if you have a > > > > godparent go > > > > > > > > > to him/ her for advice. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silvana > > > > > > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar > > > > <aintyebizniz@ > > > > > > > > > yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baby, I believe fertility is > > > > > > > > > controlled by Yemaya, who rules the reproductive > > > > system, but > > > > > > > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I > > > > have no > > > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > Eddie Aguilar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > > > > yahoo. > > > > > > > > > com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance > > > > > > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alafia, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long > > > > long > > > > > > > > > time. 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