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#4120 From: "baby_48046" <baby_48046@...>
Date: Wed Apr 1, 2009 12:53 pm
Subject: Re: Need assistance
baby_48046
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First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a shell reading. Try re-reading that. I
said shells were thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba was never born with
shells.

Second of all, you should really READ what is being said instead of throwing
stones, when all one is really trying to do is get and gain some sort of
guidance and get answers to questions regarding situations.

This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and asked questions in the past.
They say many people have no idea or understanding about this or that, yet when
one asks questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have individuals like
yourself who like to throw "stones" instead of trying to be helpful.

For those who have responded in kind, thank you very much. I am truly looking
for guidance and some assistance. Please feel free to email me. I don't know
much except for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really all I
can go with at this point.



--- In aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com, "Oyawole" <oyalove9@...> wrote:
>
> Alafia Eddie:
>
> She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking that she had a reading???? 
By a priest????
>
> Oyawole
>
> --- In aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com, eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@> wrote:
> >
> > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered this post of yours correctly yet,
but SHELLS?  This religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in the
head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua with cocos but not my
elders, but shells?  They are BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have
no right to be using them, the answers they are giving you are nonsense, and you
are probably giving Ellegua a big headache to boot.  Stop fooling us and
yourself.  You are DEAD WRONG to be casting shells
> >  
> > Eddie Aguilar
> >
> > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@>
> > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and
discussed my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use
to live in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened
with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an
Ile in Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I
couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no
triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned
that I have another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't
figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was
told twins boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I
have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I
didn't expect anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just
trying to figure what to do at this
> >  point and where to go. So I'm here for guidance.
> >
> > And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here,
thank you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!!
> >
> > Many blessings!!
> >
> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote:
> > >
> > > when she can lol
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > When
> > >
> > >
> > > Luis M. Aroche
> > >
> > > Day Reporting Center
> > >
> > > State Parolee Case Manager
> > >
> > > Northern California Services League
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if
you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or
yemaya?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the
meridilogun tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by
the Orisha or Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my
muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it
isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I
work.
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > Bendicion de mis mayores
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > Silvana
> > >
> > > OcanTomi?
> > > ?
> > >
> > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font>
> > >
> > > <font face="System" ></font>& nbsp;
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> > >
> > >
> > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that
the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha,
the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did
not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I
recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the
pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
> > >
> > > Eddie Aguilar
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors
> > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > >
> > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > > Manager Northern California Services League
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > com>
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
> > > > yahoogroups. com>
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > > I would say to consult and see what
> > > >
> > > > > Elegua have to say, and ask who you should petion and
> > > > what
> > > >
> > > > > offering you need to make. ?Or if you have a
> > > > godparent go
> > > >
> > > > > to him/ her for advice. ?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Silvana
> > > >
> > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
> > > > <aintyebizniz@
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> > > > > Baby, I believe fertility is
> > > >
> > > > > controlled by Yemaya, who rules the reproductive
> > > > system, but
> > > >
> > > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I
> > > > have no
> > > >
> > > > > idea
> > > >
> > > > > ?
> > > >
> > > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
> > > > yahoo.
> > > >
> > > > > com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
> > > >
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> > > > > Alafia,
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
> > > > long
> > > >
> > > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
> > > >
> > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
> > > > help me
> > > >
> > > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help!
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Many thanks!
> > > >
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#4121 From: "baby_48046" <baby_48046@...>
Date: Wed Apr 1, 2009 1:11 pm
Subject: Re: Need assistance
baby_48046
Send Email Send Email
 
A santero read for me.


--- In aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com, OniChango <michaelito72@...> wrote:
>
> SO who read the shells for you?  Was it read by a santero?
>
> OniChango
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@...>
> To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:11:35 PM
> Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
>
>
> Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and discussed
my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live in
Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened with my
Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in
Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I couldn't
have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no triangles.
Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have
another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't figure out
to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was told twins
boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I have given
gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I didn't expect
anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to figure
what to do at this
>  point and where to go. So I'm here for guidance.
>
> And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here, thank
you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!!
>
> Many blessings!!
>
> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote:
> >
> > when she can lol
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...>
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm
> > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > When
> >
> >
> > Luis M. Aroche
> >
> > Day Reporting Center
> >
> > State Parolee Case Manager
> >
> > Northern California Services League
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...>
> > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you
have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or
yemaya?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun
tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or
Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because
I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary
to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work.
> >
> > ?
> >
> > Bendicion de mis mayores
> >
> > ?
> >
> > Silvana
> >
> > OcanTomi?
> > ?
> >
> > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font>
> >
> > <font face="System" ></font>& nbsp;
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that
the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha,
the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did
not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I
recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the
pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
> >
> > Eddie Aguilar
> >
> > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors
> > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > >
> > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > Manager Northern California Services League
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > com>
> > >
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
> > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
> > > yahoogroups. com>
> > >
> > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > I would say to consult and see what
> > >
> > > > Elegua have to say, and ask who you should petion and
> > > what
> > >
> > > > offering you need to make. ?Or if you have a
> > > godparent go
> > >
> > > > to him/ her for advice. ?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Silvana
> > >
> > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
> > > <aintyebizniz@
> > >
> > > > yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
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> > > > Baby, I believe fertility is
> > >
> > > > controlled by Yemaya, who rules the reproductive
> > > system, but
> > >
> > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I
> > > have no
> > >
> > > > idea
> > >
> > > > ?
> > >
> > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
> > > yahoo.
> > >
> > > > com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > >
> > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > >
> > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > > > Alafia,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
> > > long
> > >
> > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
> > > the
> > >
> > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
> > >
> > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
> > > help me
> > >
> > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help!
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Many thanks!
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Kim
> > >
> > > >
> > >
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#4122 From: "baby_48046" <baby_48046@...>
Date: Wed Apr 1, 2009 1:21 pm
Subject: Re: Need assistance
baby_48046
Send Email Send Email
 
Alafia,

Thank you for responding also OmiLaded, I appreciate it. I am uncertain what has
happened with my Madrina, there isn't a response anymore. And I live in a
different state now as well and do not have anyone to turn to at this point
except you all.  I have gone to a specialist, and we have run many tests to
determine what exactly is the problem. With the insurance I had, it covered 90%
of infertility coverage, and at best I was still paying over $750 a month for
treatment. Without insurance currently, I cannot even contemplate how much it
will cost, nor do I have the money or same job anymore. Of course I'm glad I
don't have that job anymore, but that's another story for another time.

I've been looking for the response where someone stated they live in Virginia,
but cannot find it. Can that person/people please email me? I'd appreciate it.

Have a great day everyone!

Kim



--- In aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com, Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@...>
wrote:
>
> Alafia to everyone,
>  
> I have been meaning to reply to these posts, but I have been exhausted with
work. 
>  
> To answer the young lady (Kim) that is trying to get pregnant.  First of all
do you have a godparent that could help you with this, because I would recommend
you bring this issue to him/her.  If you don't belong to a house try seeking the
help of a Babalawo or an Obba that can determine what the problem is.  They can
be pricey but Orunla is never wrong.  That would be your best route. 
>  
> Chance are you will need to determine what is wrong with your uterus and it
may need to be cleansed to help you reproduce.  The way it is often cleansed is
with a Pumpkin utilizing Ochun.  The reproductive organs is govern by Ochun
therefore that is why you would do that.  Also, since yemaya is the Orisha that
rules with fertility something can be done with her to assist with that matter. 
Ochun and Yemaya are sister so they often work together in things like this. 
>  
> It is difficult to recommend a spell to you without knowing how familiar you
are with the Orishas.  All this should be coming from the house you belong to,
but I understand that some houses do not share everything with their aleyos. 
>  
> -------Now with Luis.  You say you have separate altars.  In general we have
the altar for the bobo egguns (muertos/ancestors).  In the eggun altar we only
have those that are related to us, thus our ancestors. 
>  
> Often people will have a separate altar where they keep their other deities
such as San Lazaros, Indios, and Congos.  They are not to be mixed with the
table for the bobo egguns.
>  
> Remember the Egguns (muertos) comes before anything, because before there were
Orishas there were muertos so we must always honor them first.  The muertos do
work faster than the Orishas, but that doesn't mean that we disregard the
Orishas specially if you have been initiated. 
>  
> You said you have been focusing your prayer to the warriors, is there a
specific reason for that?  On a daily basis you should do the prayer to the
Muertos, because they are the one to guide you.  Once that prayer is done along
with Our Father & Hail Mary then you can if needed do your prayer to the
warriors, but we must pay respect to our egguns first.  I am not sure if you do
this already.
>  
> Anyway, I think I got all caught up.  I hope I didn't miss anything else.
>  
> OmiLaded
>
> --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Oyawole <oyalove9@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Oyawole <oyalove9@...>
> Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 7:26 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Alaafia Luis:
>
> I was wondering also -- when u stated you have altars for all of these
entities or dieties .. I was wondering if you have had them separated .. by your
conversation -- intelligent -- I figured as such ...
>
> Oyawole
>
> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Yemaya Kid:
> >  
> >  All my altars are separated. I would never mix an altar. Thank you for your
concern
> >
> >
> > Luis M. Aroche
> > Day Reporting Center
> > State Parolee Case Manager
> > Northern California Services League
> >
> > --- On Mon, 3/23/09, yemayakid@ . <yemayakid@ ..> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: yemayakid@ . <yemayakid@ ..>
> > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:46 AM
> >
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> > do have an altar sit up for my pass love ones, for St. Lazrus, Cambio Sile
Chango and  for the spirits of the Indio.
> >
> >
> > this sounds like a bad combo... ancestor altars cannot be mixed with san
lazaro and chango
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 3:01 pm
> > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> >
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> >
> > When you say Muertos, do you mean your ante pasados ( your ancestors) . I
been focusing all my prayers to my warriors. I do have an altar sit up for my
pass love ones, for St. Lazrus, Cambio Sile Chango and  for the spirits of the
Indio.
> >
> >
> > Luis M. Aroche
> > Day Reporting Center
> > State Parolee Case Manager
> > Northern California Services League
> >
> > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@aol. com <evaobadoba@ aol. com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: evaobadoba@aol. com <evaobadoba@ aol. com>
> > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha  but if you
have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or
yemaya 
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun
tells as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or
Muerto.  Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because
I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve many issues and it isn't necessary
to go to the Orishas right away.  But that is just the way I work.
> >  
> > Bendicion de mis mayores
> >  
> > Silvana
> > OcanTomi 
> >  
> > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font>
> > <font face="System" ></font>& nbsp;
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> > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that
the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha,
the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did
not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I
recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the
pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
> >
> > Eddie Aguilar
> >
> > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
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> > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > >
> > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > Manager Northern California Services League
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > com> wrote:
> > >
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> > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > com>
> > >
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
> > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
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> > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > >
> > > > Elegua have to say, and ask who you should petion and
> > > what
> > >
> > > > offering you need to make.  Or if you have a
> > > godparent go
> > >
> > > > to him/ her for advice.  
> > >
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> > >
> > > > Silvana
> > >
> > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
> > > <aintyebizniz@
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> > > system, but
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> > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I
> > > have no
> > >
> > > > idea
> > >
> > > >  
> > >
> > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
> > > yahoo.
> > >
> > > > com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > >
> > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > >
> > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
> > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > > Alafia,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
> > > long
> > >
> > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
> > > the
> > >
> > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
> > >
> > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
> > > help me
> > >
> > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help!
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Many thanks!
> > >
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#4123 From: Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@...>
Date: Wed Apr 1, 2009 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Need assistance
larsenseztravel
Send Email Send Email
 
I think that at this point it shouldn't matter who did the reading for the young lady.  This young lady must feel that instead of getting help she is being bashed.  We have to measure how we approach these types of questions, because there is nothing wrong with providing assistance when needed. 
 
I think as elders we should be more cautious of how we approach the aleyos, because we often appear to be too harash. 
 
 
 
--- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@...> wrote:

From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@...>
Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:11 AM

A santero read for me.

--- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, OniChango <michaelito72@ ...> wrote:
>
> SO who read the shells for you? Was it read by a santero?
>
> OniChango
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ ...>
> To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:11:35 PM
> Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
>
>
> Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to figure what to do at this
> point and where to go. So I'm here for guidance.
>
> And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!!
>
> Many blessings!!
>
> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote:
> >
> > when she can lol
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...>
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm
> > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> >
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> > When
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> > Luis M. Aroche
> >
> > Day Reporting Center
> >
> > State Parolee Case Manager
> >
> > Northern California Services League
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...>
> > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work.
> >
> > ?
> >
> > Bendicion de mis mayores
> >
> > ?
> >
> > Silvana
> >
> > OcanTomi?
> > ?
> >
> > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font>
> >
> > <font face="System" ></font>& nbsp;
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
> >
> > Eddie Aguilar
> >
> > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
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> > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > >
> > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > Manager Northern California Services League
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > com> wrote:
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> > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > com>
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> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
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> > > what
> > >
> > > > offering you need to make. ?Or if you have a
> > > godparent go
> > >
> > > > to him/ her for advice. ?
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> > > > Silvana
> > >
> > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
> > > <aintyebizniz@
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> > > > Baby, I believe fertility is
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> > > > controlled by Yemaya, who rules the reproductive
> > > system, but
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> > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I
> > > have no
> > >
> > > > idea
> > >
> > > > ?
> > >
> > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > >
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> > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
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> > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > >
> > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
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> > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
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> > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
> > > long
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> > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
> > > the
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> > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
> > >
> > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
> > > help me
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> > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help!
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#4126 From: "kcsberry" <kcsberry@...>
Date: Wed Apr 1, 2009 2:19 pm
Subject: Me and My Eggun Stick
kcsberry
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Alafia Group!  This is my first posting as I tend to lurk and learn; live and
ask. Along with my Warriors, I've recently received my Eggun Stick.

It's beautiful!  I love it. The ribbons and the bells and the tile.
Not to mention the vine that wraps and twists resembling a snake.

As used to streaking through my house as I am, it reminds me that
robes *do* work and that I have 3 of them. It also sits in a corner and reminds
me that I am not alone, that I Am because They *Were*.

So that being said:

It is sooooo comforting to know that there are people who love me and
WANT to remember my name.

I was talking to my Father (actual Father, David, haha!) and came to
the realization that his father was a total sh*t.  I always knew this
because of the sour looks and smirks that would cross everyone's faces when "The
Old Man" was mentioned.  I *also* learned that The Old Man's side of the family
was particularly nasty to my Grandma and her kids.

So I thought...hmmm....

I have an ENTIRE side of my family that NO ONE wants to talk about let
alone remember.  These people had few children, some had none. And
they will die when my Grandmother decides to leave. Forgotten.  What
an unfortunate fate, to never be remembered by the people who share
your nose or your eyes.  To be denied the ability to help.

So I thought...hmmm....

I should ask their names.  No matter how awful they were to my Nana
or to my Dad, they deserve some kind of respect and redemption.  They deserve to
hold their rightful places in my life.

Maybe *this* is why I never learned about them.  I'm 30 and I'm *JUST*
now finding out who these people are.  I've been given 30 years to live; to
love; to make mistakes; to learn to forgive others and to forgive myself. 
*Maybe* I've been shielded from them, so I can honor-them-as-Eggun-lovingly
rather than bringing-myself-to-forgive-them like
one forgives a second-hand smoker.

Just a few thoughts.  Feel free to add. :)

#4127 From: Silvy <s_frak@...>
Date: Wed Apr 1, 2009 2:30 pm
Subject: Re: Me and My Eggun Stick
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I have found that many of my family members that did so much damage to us in life actually when they pass they come to those spiritually open for help and can become an important part of our spiritual quadro.  I have a few spirits that were my family members and after giving them light and elevating them, they have helped me tremendously.  I believe that in death and as spirits they know their mistakes and try to remedy what the did in life.  In the beginning they can do more damage than good because they don't have light but as it progresses and you give them the light they need, not only you are elevating yourself spiritually but you are also doing a "caridad". 
 
Silvana


From: kcsberry <kcsberry@...>
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 10:19:14 AM
Subject: [aleyos-online] Me and My Eggun Stick

Alafia Group! This is my first posting as I tend to lurk and learn; live and ask. Along with my Warriors, I've recently received my Eggun Stick.

It's beautiful! I love it. The ribbons and the bells and the tile.
Not to mention the vine that wraps and twists resembling a snake.

As used to streaking through my house as I am, it reminds me that
robes *do* work and that I have 3 of them. It also sits in a corner and reminds me that I am not alone, that I Am because They *Were*.

So that being said:

It is sooooo comforting to know that there are people who love me and
WANT to remember my name.

I was talking to my Father (actual Father, David, haha!) and came to
the realization that his father was a total sh*t. I always knew this
because of the sour looks and smirks that would cross everyone's faces when "The Old Man" was mentioned. I *also* learned that The Old Man's side of the family was particularly nasty to my Grandma and her kids.

So I thought...hmmm. ...

I have an ENTIRE side of my family that NO ONE wants to talk about let
alone remember. These people had few children, some had none. And
they will die when my Grandmother decides to leave. Forgotten. What
an unfortunate fate, to never be remembered by the people who share
your nose or your eyes. To be denied the ability to help.

So I thought...hmmm. ...

I should ask their names. No matter how awful they were to my Nana
or to my Dad, they deserve some kind of respect and redemption. They deserve to hold their rightful places in my life.

Maybe *this* is why I never learned about them. I'm 30 and I'm *JUST*
now finding out who these people are. I've been given 30 years to live; to love; to make mistakes; to learn to forgive others and to forgive myself. *Maybe* I've been shielded from them, so I can honor-them-as- Eggun-lovingly rather than bringing-myself- to-forgive- them like
one forgives a second-hand smoker.

Just a few thoughts. Feel free to add. :)



#4128 From: "Oyawole" <oyalove9@...>
Date: Wed Apr 1, 2009 2:45 pm
Subject: The Virginia Santero
oyalove9
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Alaafia Kim:

I want you to know that I was not bashing anyone when I cautioned on the be
careful side of dealing with Esu .. ;-) ... but, the Santero is Baba Obbalade --
Obbalade@... ..email him, he is a Priest of Obatala ... He will be very kind
and helpful

Oyawole

--- In aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com, "baby_48046" <baby_48046@...> wrote:
>
> Alafia,
>
> Thank you for responding also OmiLaded, I appreciate it. I am uncertain what
has happened with my Madrina, there isn't a response anymore. And I live in a
different state now as well and do not have anyone to turn to at this point
except you all.  I have gone to a specialist, and we have run many tests to
determine what exactly is the problem. With the insurance I had, it covered 90%
of infertility coverage, and at best I was still paying over $750 a month for
treatment. Without insurance currently, I cannot even contemplate how much it
will cost, nor do I have the money or same job anymore. Of course I'm glad I
don't have that job anymore, but that's another story for another time.
>
> I've been looking for the response where someone stated they live in Virginia,
but cannot find it. Can that person/people please email me? I'd appreciate it.
>
> Have a great day everyone!
>
> Kim
>
>
>
> --- In aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com, Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@>
wrote:
> >
> > Alafia to everyone,
> >  
> > I have been meaning to reply to these posts, but I have been exhausted with
work. 
> >  
> > To answer the young lady (Kim) that is trying to get pregnant.  First of all
do you have a godparent that could help you with this, because I would recommend
you bring this issue to him/her.  If you don't belong to a house try seeking the
help of a Babalawo or an Obba that can determine what the problem is.  They can
be pricey but Orunla is never wrong.  That would be your best route. 
> >  
> > Chance are you will need to determine what is wrong with your uterus and it
may need to be cleansed to help you reproduce.  The way it is often cleansed is
with a Pumpkin utilizing Ochun.  The reproductive organs is govern by Ochun
therefore that is why you would do that.  Also, since yemaya is the Orisha that
rules with fertility something can be done with her to assist with that matter. 
Ochun and Yemaya are sister so they often work together in things like this. 
> >  
> > It is difficult to recommend a spell to you without knowing how familiar you
are with the Orishas.  All this should be coming from the house you belong to,
but I understand that some houses do not share everything with their aleyos. 
> >  
> > -------Now with Luis.  You say you have separate altars.  In general we have
the altar for the bobo egguns (muertos/ancestors).  In the eggun altar we only
have those that are related to us, thus our ancestors. 
> >  
> > Often people will have a separate altar where they keep their other deities
such as San Lazaros, Indios, and Congos.  They are not to be mixed with the
table for the bobo egguns.
> >  
> > Remember the Egguns (muertos) comes before anything, because before there
were Orishas there were muertos so we must always honor them first.  The muertos
do work faster than the Orishas, but that doesn't mean that we disregard the
Orishas specially if you have been initiated. 
> >  
> > You said you have been focusing your prayer to the warriors, is there a
specific reason for that?  On a daily basis you should do the prayer to the
Muertos, because they are the one to guide you.  Once that prayer is done along
with Our Father & Hail Mary then you can if needed do your prayer to the
warriors, but we must pay respect to our egguns first.  I am not sure if you do
this already.
> >  
> > Anyway, I think I got all caught up.  I hope I didn't miss anything else.
> >  
> > OmiLaded
> >
> > --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Oyawole <oyalove9@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Oyawole <oyalove9@>
> > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 7:26 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Alaafia Luis:
> >
> > I was wondering also -- when u stated you have altars for all of these
entities or dieties .. I was wondering if you have had them separated .. by your
conversation -- intelligent -- I figured as such ...
> >
> > Oyawole
> >
> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Yemaya Kid:
> > >  
> > >  All my altars are separated. I would never mix an altar. Thank you for
your concern
> > >
> > >
> > > Luis M. Aroche
> > > Day Reporting Center
> > > State Parolee Case Manager
> > > Northern California Services League
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 3/23/09, yemayakid@ . <yemayakid@ ..> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: yemayakid@ . <yemayakid@ ..>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:46 AM
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > do have an altar sit up for my pass love ones, for St. Lazrus, Cambio Sile
Chango and  for the spirits of the Indio.
> > >
> > >
> > > this sounds like a bad combo... ancestor altars cannot be mixed with san
lazaro and chango
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 3:01 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > When you say Muertos, do you mean your ante pasados ( your ancestors) . I
been focusing all my prayers to my warriors. I do have an altar sit up for my
pass love ones, for St. Lazrus, Cambio Sile Chango and  for the spirits of the
Indio.
> > >
> > >
> > > Luis M. Aroche
> > > Day Reporting Center
> > > State Parolee Case Manager
> > > Northern California Services League
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@aol. com <evaobadoba@ aol. com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: evaobadoba@aol. com <evaobadoba@ aol. com>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha  but if
you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or
yemaya 
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the
meridilogun tells as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by
the Orisha or Muerto.  Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my
muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve many issues and it
isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.  But that is just the way I
work.
> > >  
> > > Bendicion de mis mayores
> > >  
> > > Silvana
> > > OcanTomi 
> > >  
> > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font>
> > > <font face="System" ></font>& nbsp;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that
the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha,
the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did
not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I
recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the
pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
> > >
> > > Eddie Aguilar
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
> > > >
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> > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors
> > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > >
> > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > > Manager Northern California Services League
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > com>
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
> > > > yahoogroups. com>
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > > I would say to consult and see what
> > > >
> > > > > Elegua have to say, and ask who you should petion and
> > > > what
> > > >
> > > > > offering you need to make.  Or if you have a
> > > > godparent go
> > > >
> > > > > to him/ her for advice.  
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Silvana
> > > >
> > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
> > > > <aintyebizniz@
> > > >
> > > > > yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > Baby, I believe fertility is
> > > >
> > > > > controlled by Yemaya, who rules the reproductive
> > > > system, but
> > > >
> > > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I
> > > > have no
> > > >
> > > > > idea
> > > >
> > > > >  
> > > >
> > > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
> > > > yahoo.
> > > >
> > > > > com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
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> > > > > Alafia,
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
> > > > long
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> > > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
> > > >
> > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
> > > > help me
> > > >
> > > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help!
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Many thanks!
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> > > > > Kim
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#4129 From: davidsoul720@...
Date: Wed Apr 1, 2009 2:42 pm
Subject: Re: Me and My Eggun Stick
davidsoul720
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Luz.

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From: Silvy
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 07:30:00 -0700 (PDT)
To: <aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Me and My Eggun Stick

I have found that many of my family members that did so much damage to us in life actually when they pass they come to those spiritually open for help and can become an important part of our spiritual quadro.  I have a few spirits that were my family members and after giving them light and elevating them, they have helped me tremendously.  I believe that in death and as spirits they know their mistakes and try to remedy what the did in life.  In the beginning they can do more damage than good because they don't have light but as it progresses and you give them the light they need, not only you are elevating yourself spiritually but you are also doing a "caridad". 
 
Silvana


From: kcsberry <kcsberry@gmail.com>
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 10:19:14 AM
Subject: [aleyos-online] Me and My Eggun Stick

Alafia Group! This is my first posting as I tend to lurk and learn; live and ask. Along with my Warriors, I've recently received my Eggun Stick.

It's beautiful! I love it. The ribbons and the bells and the tile.
Not to mention the vine that wraps and twists resembling a snake.

As used to streaking through my house as I am, it reminds me that
robes *do* work and that I have 3 of them. It also sits in a corner and reminds me that I am not alone, that I Am because They *Were*.

So that being said:

It is sooooo comforting to know that there are people who love me and
WANT to remember my name.

I was talking to my Father (actual Father, David, haha!) and came to
the realization that his father was a total sh*t. I always knew this
because of the sour looks and smirks that would cross everyone's faces when "The Old Man" was mentioned. I *also* learned that The Old Man's side of the family was particularly nasty to my Grandma and her kids.

So I thought...hmmm. ...

I have an ENTIRE side of my family that NO ONE wants to talk about let
alone remember. These people had few children, some had none. And
they will die when my Grandmother decides to leave. Forgotten. What
an unfortunate fate, to never be remembered by the people who share
your nose or your eyes. To be denied the ability to help.

So I thought...hmmm. ...

I should ask their names. No matter how awful they were to my Nana
or to my Dad, they deserve some kind of respect and redemption. They deserve to hold their rightful places in my life.

Maybe *this* is why I never learned about them. I'm 30 and I'm *JUST*
now finding out who these people are. I've been given 30 years to live; to love; to make mistakes; to learn to forgive others and to forgive myself. *Maybe* I've been shielded from them, so I can honor-them-as- Eggun-lovingly rather than bringing-myself- to-forgive- them like
one forgives a second-hand smoker.

Just a few thoughts. Feel free to add. :)



#4130 From: davidsoul720@...
Date: Wed Apr 1, 2009 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: Me and My Eggun Stick
davidsoul720
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I amm getting my eggun stick in 2 weeks.

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From: "kcsberry"
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:19:14 -0000
To: <aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [aleyos-online] Me and My Eggun Stick

Alafia Group! This is my first posting as I tend to lurk and learn; live and ask. Along with my Warriors, I've recently received my Eggun Stick.

It's beautiful! I love it. The ribbons and the bells and the tile.
Not to mention the vine that wraps and twists resembling a snake.

As used to streaking through my house as I am, it reminds me that
robes *do* work and that I have 3 of them. It also sits in a corner and reminds me that I am not alone, that I Am because They *Were*.

So that being said:

It is sooooo comforting to know that there are people who love me and
WANT to remember my name.

I was talking to my Father (actual Father, David, haha!) and came to
the realization that his father was a total sh*t. I always knew this
because of the sour looks and smirks that would cross everyone's faces when "The Old Man" was mentioned. I *also* learned that The Old Man's side of the family was particularly nasty to my Grandma and her kids.

So I thought...hmmm....

I have an ENTIRE side of my family that NO ONE wants to talk about let
alone remember. These people had few children, some had none. And
they will die when my Grandmother decides to leave. Forgotten. What
an unfortunate fate, to never be remembered by the people who share
your nose or your eyes. To be denied the ability to help.

So I thought...hmmm....

I should ask their names. No matter how awful they were to my Nana
or to my Dad, they deserve some kind of respect and redemption. They deserve to hold their rightful places in my life.

Maybe *this* is why I never learned about them. I'm 30 and I'm *JUST*
now finding out who these people are. I've been given 30 years to live; to love; to make mistakes; to learn to forgive others and to forgive myself. *Maybe* I've been shielded from them, so I can honor-them-as-Eggun-lovingly rather than bringing-myself-to-forgive-them like
one forgives a second-hand smoker.

Just a few thoughts. Feel free to add. :)


#4131 From: Kimi <baby_48046@...>
Date: Wed Apr 1, 2009 3:49 pm
Subject: Re: The Virginia Santero
baby_48046
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Thank you so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*hugs*

Kim

--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Oyawole <oyalove9@...> wrote:

From: Oyawole <oyalove9@...>
Subject: [aleyos-online] The Virginia Santero
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 10:45 AM

Alaafia Kim:

I want you to know that I was not bashing anyone when I cautioned on the be careful side of dealing with Esu .. ;-) ... but, the Santero is Baba Obbalade -- Obbalade@aol. com ..email him, he is a Priest of Obatala ... He will be very kind and helpful

Oyawole

--- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "baby_48046" <baby_48046@ ...> wrote:
>
> Alafia,
>
> Thank you for responding also OmiLaded, I appreciate it. I am uncertain what has happened with my Madrina, there isn't a response anymore. And I live in a different state now as well and do not have anyone to turn to at this point except you all. I have gone to a specialist, and we have run many tests to determine what exactly is the problem. With the insurance I had, it covered 90% of infertility coverage, and at best I was still paying over $750 a month for treatment. Without insurance currently, I cannot even contemplate how much it will cost, nor do I have the money or same job anymore. Of course I'm glad I don't have that job anymore, but that's another story for another time.
>
> I've been looking for the response where someone stated they live in Virginia, but cannot find it. Can that person/people please email me? I'd appreciate it.
>
> Have a great day everyone!
>
> Kim
>
>
>
> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@ > wrote:
> >
> > Alafia to everyone,
> >  
> > I have been meaning to reply to these posts, but I have been exhausted with work. 
> >  
> > To answer the young lady (Kim) that is trying to get pregnant.  First of all do you have a godparent that could help you with this, because I would recommend you bring this issue to him/her.  If you don't belong to a house try seeking the help of a Babalawo or an Obba that can determine what the problem is.  They can be pricey but Orunla is never wrong.  That would be your best route. 
> >  
> > Chance are you will need to determine what is wrong with your uterus and it may need to be cleansed to help you reproduce.  The way it is often cleansed is with a Pumpkin utilizing Ochun.  The reproductive organs is govern by Ochun therefore that is why you would do that.  Also, since yemaya is the Orisha that rules with fertility something can be done with her to assist with that matter.  Ochun and Yemaya are sister so they often work together in things like this. 
> >  
> > It is difficult to recommend a spell to you without knowing how familiar you are with the Orishas.  All this should be coming from the house you belong to, but I understand that some houses do not share everything with their aleyos. 
> >  
> > -------Now with Luis.  You say you have separate altars.  In general we have the altar for the bobo egguns (muertos/ancestors) .  In the eggun altar we only have those that are related to us, thus our ancestors. 
> >  
> > Often people will have a separate altar where they keep their other deities such as San Lazaros, Indios, and Congos.  They are not to be mixed with the table for the bobo egguns.
> >  
> > Remember the Egguns (muertos) comes before anything, because before there were Orishas there were muertos so we must always honor them first.  The muertos do work faster than the Orishas, but that doesn't mean that we disregard the Orishas specially if you have been initiated. 
> >  
> > You said you have been focusing your prayer to the warriors, is there a specific reason for that?  On a daily basis you should do the prayer to the Muertos, because they are the one to guide you.  Once that prayer is done along with Our Father & Hail Mary then you can if needed do your prayer to the warriors, but we must pay respect to our egguns first.  I am not sure if you do this already.
> >  
> > Anyway, I think I got all caught up.  I hope I didn't miss anything else.
> >  
> > OmiLaded
> >
> > --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Oyawole <oyalove9@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Oyawole <oyalove9@>
> > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 7:26 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Alaafia Luis:
> >
> > I was wondering also -- when u stated you have altars for all of these entities or dieties .. I was wondering if you have had them separated .. by your conversation -- intelligent -- I figured as such ...
> >
> > Oyawole
> >
> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yemaya Kid:
> > >  
> > >  All my altars are separated. I would never mix an altar. Thank you for your concern
> > >
> > >
> > > Luis M. Aroche
> > > Day Reporting Center
> > > State Parolee Case Manager
> > > Northern California Services League
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 3/23/09, yemayakid@ . <yemayakid@ ..> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: yemayakid@ . <yemayakid@ ..>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:46 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > > do have an altar sit up for my pass love ones, for St. Lazrus, Cambio Sile Chango and  for the spirits of the Indio.
> > >
> > >
> > > this sounds like a bad combo... ancestor altars cannot be mixed with san lazaro and chango
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 3:01 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > When you say Muertos, do you mean your ante pasados ( your ancestors) . I been focusing all my prayers to my warriors. I do have an altar sit up for my pass love ones, for St. Lazrus, Cambio Sile Chango and  for the spirits of the Indio.
> > >
> > >
> > > Luis M. Aroche
> > > Day Reporting Center
> > > State Parolee Case Manager
> > > Northern California Services League
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@aol. com <evaobadoba@ aol. com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: evaobadoba@aol. com <evaobadoba@ aol. com>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha  but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya 
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.  Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.  But that is just the way I work.
> > >  
> > > Bendicion de mis mayores
> > >  
> > > Silvana
> > > OcanTomi 
> > >  
> > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font>
> > > <font face="System" ></font>& nbsp;
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
> > >
> > > Eddie Aguilar
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
> > > >
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> > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors
> > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > >
> > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > > Manager Northern California Services League
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > com> wrote:
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> > > >
> > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > com>
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
> > > > yahoogroups. com>
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > > I would say to consult and see what
> > > >
> > > > > Elegua have to say, and ask who you should petion and
> > > > what
> > > >
> > > > > offering you need to make.  Or if you have a
> > > > godparent go
> > > >
> > > > > to him/ her for advice.  
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > > Silvana
> > > >
> > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
> > > > <aintyebizniz@
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> > > > > yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > Baby, I believe fertility is
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> > > > > controlled by Yemaya, who rules the reproductive
> > > > system, but
> > > >
> > > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I
> > > > have no
> > > >
> > > > > idea
> > > >
> > > > >  
> > > >
> > > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
> > > > yahoo.
> > > >
> > > > > com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
> > > >
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> > > > > Alafia,
> > > >
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> > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
> > > > long
> > > >
> > > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
> > > >
> > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
> > > > help me
> > > >
> > > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help!
> > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > Many thanks!
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> > > > > Kim
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> > > Job Hunting? Start with the companies that posted job openings this week.
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#4132 From: Kimi <baby_48046@...>
Date: Wed Apr 1, 2009 4:01 pm
Subject: Re: The Virginia Santero
baby_48046
Send Email Send Email
 
My post wasn't in regards to you at all, my apologies if it seemed as such. The post was toward Eddie.

--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Oyawole <oyalove9@...> wrote:

From: Oyawole <oyalove9@...>
Subject: [aleyos-online] The Virginia Santero
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 10:45 AM

Alaafia Kim:

I want you to know that I was not bashing anyone when I cautioned on the be careful side of dealing with Esu .. ;-) ... but, the Santero is Baba Obbalade -- Obbalade@aol. com ..email him, he is a Priest of Obatala ... He will be very kind and helpful

Oyawole

--- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "baby_48046" <baby_48046@ ...> wrote:
>
> Alafia,
>
> Thank you for responding also OmiLaded, I appreciate it. I am uncertain what has happened with my Madrina, there isn't a response anymore. And I live in a different state now as well and do not have anyone to turn to at this point except you all. I have gone to a specialist, and we have run many tests to determine what exactly is the problem. With the insurance I had, it covered 90% of infertility coverage, and at best I was still paying over $750 a month for treatment. Without insurance currently, I cannot even contemplate how much it will cost, nor do I have the money or same job anymore. Of course I'm glad I don't have that job anymore, but that's another story for another time.
>
> I've been looking for the response where someone stated they live in Virginia, but cannot find it. Can that person/people please email me? I'd appreciate it.
>
> Have a great day everyone!
>
> Kim
>
>
>
> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@ > wrote:
> >
> > Alafia to everyone,
> >  
> > I have been meaning to reply to these posts, but I have been exhausted with work. 
> >  
> > To answer the young lady (Kim) that is trying to get pregnant.  First of all do you have a godparent that could help you with this, because I would recommend you bring this issue to him/her.  If you don't belong to a house try seeking the help of a Babalawo or an Obba that can determine what the problem is.  They can be pricey but Orunla is never wrong.  That would be your best route. 
> >  
> > Chance are you will need to determine what is wrong with your uterus and it may need to be cleansed to help you reproduce.  The way it is often cleansed is with a Pumpkin utilizing Ochun.  The reproductive organs is govern by Ochun therefore that is why you would do that.  Also, since yemaya is the Orisha that rules with fertility something can be done with her to assist with that matter.  Ochun and Yemaya are sister so they often work together in things like this. 
> >  
> > It is difficult to recommend a spell to you without knowing how familiar you are with the Orishas.  All this should be coming from the house you belong to, but I understand that some houses do not share everything with their aleyos. 
> >  
> > -------Now with Luis.  You say you have separate altars.  In general we have the altar for the bobo egguns (muertos/ancestors) .  In the eggun altar we only have those that are related to us, thus our ancestors. 
> >  
> > Often people will have a separate altar where they keep their other deities such as San Lazaros, Indios, and Congos.  They are not to be mixed with the table for the bobo egguns.
> >  
> > Remember the Egguns (muertos) comes before anything, because before there were Orishas there were muertos so we must always honor them first.  The muertos do work faster than the Orishas, but that doesn't mean that we disregard the Orishas specially if you have been initiated. 
> >  
> > You said you have been focusing your prayer to the warriors, is there a specific reason for that?  On a daily basis you should do the prayer to the Muertos, because they are the one to guide you.  Once that prayer is done along with Our Father & Hail Mary then you can if needed do your prayer to the warriors, but we must pay respect to our egguns first.  I am not sure if you do this already.
> >  
> > Anyway, I think I got all caught up.  I hope I didn't miss anything else.
> >  
> > OmiLaded
> >
> > --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Oyawole <oyalove9@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Oyawole <oyalove9@>
> > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 7:26 AM
> >
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> > Alaafia Luis:
> >
> > I was wondering also -- when u stated you have altars for all of these entities or dieties .. I was wondering if you have had them separated .. by your conversation -- intelligent -- I figured as such ...
> >
> > Oyawole
> >
> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yemaya Kid:
> > >  
> > >  All my altars are separated. I would never mix an altar. Thank you for your concern
> > >
> > >
> > > Luis M. Aroche
> > > Day Reporting Center
> > > State Parolee Case Manager
> > > Northern California Services League
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 3/23/09, yemayakid@ . <yemayakid@ ..> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: yemayakid@ . <yemayakid@ ..>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:46 AM
> > >
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> > > do have an altar sit up for my pass love ones, for St. Lazrus, Cambio Sile Chango and  for the spirits of the Indio.
> > >
> > >
> > > this sounds like a bad combo... ancestor altars cannot be mixed with san lazaro and chango
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 3:01 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > When you say Muertos, do you mean your ante pasados ( your ancestors) . I been focusing all my prayers to my warriors. I do have an altar sit up for my pass love ones, for St. Lazrus, Cambio Sile Chango and  for the spirits of the Indio.
> > >
> > >
> > > Luis M. Aroche
> > > Day Reporting Center
> > > State Parolee Case Manager
> > > Northern California Services League
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@aol. com <evaobadoba@ aol. com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: evaobadoba@aol. com <evaobadoba@ aol. com>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha  but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya 
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
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> > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.  Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.  But that is just the way I work.
> > >  
> > > Bendicion de mis mayores
> > >  
> > > Silvana
> > > OcanTomi 
> > >  
> > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font>
> > > <font face="System" ></font>& nbsp;
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
> > >
> > > Eddie Aguilar
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
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> > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors
> > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > >
> > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > > Manager Northern California Services League
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > com> wrote:
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> > > >
> > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > com>
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
> > > > yahoogroups. com>
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > > I would say to consult and see what
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> > > > > Elegua have to say, and ask who you should petion and
> > > > what
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> > > > > offering you need to make.  Or if you have a
> > > > godparent go
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> > > > > to him/ her for advice.  
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> > > > > Silvana
> > > >
> > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
> > > > <aintyebizniz@
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> > > > > Baby, I believe fertility is
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> > > > > controlled by Yemaya, who rules the reproductive
> > > > system, but
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> > > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I
> > > > have no
> > > >
> > > > > idea
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> > > > >  
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> > > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
> > > > yahoo.
> > > >
> > > > > com> wrote:
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> > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
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> > > > > Alafia,
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> > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
> > > > long
> > > >
> > > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
> > > >
> > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
> > > > help me
> > > >
> > > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help!
> > > >
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> > > > > Many thanks!
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> > > Job Hunting? Start with the companies that posted job openings this week.
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>



#4133 From: "Oyawole" <oyalove9@...>
Date: Wed Apr 1, 2009 4:27 pm
Subject: Re: Me and My Eggun Stick
oyalove9
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Alaafia:

That is the first thing I got in this religion before I got anything -- I went
to an area where there was some trees that were down .. paid money to Osain and
dressed my Stick ... that Stick has been around now since foreverrrrrrrrrrrr! 
The first thing I did .. even before I started with anything .. I sat up my
Ancestor Shrine .. it was wonderful.  Dressed the stick .. w/ribbons and bells
and ... then it has been fed forever nowwwwwww!  Ase to my Eegun to push me to
do that first...

Oyawole

--- In aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com, davidsoul720@... wrote:
>
> I amm getting my eggun stick in 2 weeks.
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "kcsberry" <kcsberry@...>
>
> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:19:14
> To: <aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [aleyos-online] Me and My Eggun Stick
>
>
> Alafia Group!  This is my first posting as I tend to lurk and learn; live and
ask. Along with my Warriors, I've recently received my Eggun Stick.
>
> It's beautiful!  I love it. The ribbons and the bells and the tile.
> Not to mention the vine that wraps and twists resembling a snake.
>
> As used to streaking through my house as I am, it reminds me that
> robes *do* work and that I have 3 of them. It also sits in a corner and
reminds me that I am not alone, that I Am because They *Were*.
>
> So that being said:
>
> It is sooooo comforting to know that there are people who love me and
> WANT to remember my name.
>
> I was talking to my Father (actual Father, David, haha!) and came to
> the realization that his father was a total sh*t.  I always knew this
> because of the sour looks and smirks that would cross everyone's faces when
"The Old Man" was mentioned.  I *also* learned that The Old Man's side of the
family was particularly nasty to my Grandma and her kids.
>
> So I thought...hmmm....
>
> I have an ENTIRE side of my family that NO ONE wants to talk about let
> alone remember.  These people had few children, some had none. And
> they will die when my Grandmother decides to leave. Forgotten.  What
> an unfortunate fate, to never be remembered by the people who share
> your nose or your eyes.  To be denied the ability to help.
>
> So I thought...hmmm....
>
> I should ask their names.  No matter how awful they were to my Nana
> or to my Dad, they deserve some kind of respect and redemption.  They deserve
to hold their rightful places in my life.
>
> Maybe *this* is why I never learned about them.  I'm 30 and I'm *JUST*
> now finding out who these people are.  I've been given 30 years to live; to
love; to make mistakes; to learn to forgive others and to forgive myself. 
*Maybe* I've been shielded from them, so I can honor-them-as-Eggun-lovingly
rather than bringing-myself-to-forgive-them like
> one forgives a second-hand smoker.
>
> Just a few thoughts.  Feel free to add. :)
>

#4134 From: Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@...>
Date: Wed Apr 1, 2009 6:43 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Need assistance
larsenseztravel
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Yes, the egguns is a very good start and resource.  They are there to help us during times of need and we often forget about them. 
 
Before the Orishas there were egguns, so we should try to go the them.
 
I am sorry to hear that you haven't been able to find godparents.  I had my share of bad godparents and in fact my madrina in Kari Ocha was a piece of work and it was a very difficult battle with me especially since she took my mom to be initiated into Ocha for health reasons.
 
I had such a bad taste in my mouth after all she did to misguide us, especially when we needed her most for my mom and she misled us all the way and wasn't there to support us.  Unfortunately, my mom past away and the thing that hurt me the most was that it was told to my mom in her Ita that if she was misled she would die, because she needed to be religious.  Our madrina at the time, worry more about money and never gave my mom her Ita notebook and my mom was never able to do the things that were in the notebook to save her life.  So, now I strongly recommend that when you are searching for godparents, especially if its for health reasons to be very very selective.
 
If you notice that they aren't there to answer your questions at first, walk away.  If you notice that they have mood swings or tend to be short, mean, and rude, walk away.  If they have a arrogant attitude walk away.  If they want to take advantage of your situation, by asking for outrageous prices walk away.  A good godparent will be there for you in the good times and the bad times.  They will guide you in the right path and teach you all that needs to be taught.  They will be easily accessible and take extra precautions of those that need the extra care for health reasons.  Godparents are like an extra pair of parents and if they can't be good to their own children then they can't be good to you.
 
Ask you egguns and guardian to guide you the right way and pray for guidance at all times.  Don't rush, because when you least expect it you will run into the ones that are out there just for the money and they do nothing but trash and then they want someone else to correct their mistakes.
 
Where are you located?
 
OmiLaded
--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Marie S. <mgs_617@...> wrote:

From: Marie S. <mgs_617@...>
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:10 AM

I'm sorry...but I don't have any advice, but I sympathize with you...I have been looking for godparents for years and it seems like almost every person I meet, either seems nice at first or is rude from the beginning. I am all alone and I have no where to turn either...my health is failing I spent the last month bedridden...
but I'll pray that you find someone close to you that can shed some light on your issues....
 
one thing that might help if you haven't done it already is ask your ancestors. Set an altar with coffee, a glass of cool water and anything else that you think that they might like...petition them at the same time everyday for 7 days.... I have done this for several things in my life and it has been somewhat helpful.

--- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com>
Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:53 AM


First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a shell reading. Try re-reading that. I said shells were thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba was never born with shells.

Second of all, you should really READ what is being said instead of throwing stones, when all one is really trying to do is get and gain some sort of guidance and get answers to questions regarding situations.

This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and asked questions in the past. They say many people have no idea or understanding about this or that, yet when one asks questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have individuals like yourself who like to throw "stones" instead of trying to be helpful.

For those who have responded in kind, thank you very much. I am truly looking for guidance and some assistance. Please feel free to email me. I don't know much except for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really all I can go with at this point.

--- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "Oyawole" <oyalove9@.. .> wrote:
>
> Alafia Eddie:
>
> She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking that she had a reading???? By a priest????
>
> Oyawole
>
> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ > wrote:
> >
> > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered this post of yours correctly yet, but SHELLS?  This religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in the head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua with cocos but not my elders, but shells?  They are BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have no right to be using them, the answers they are giving you are nonsense, and you are probably giving Ellegua a big headache to boot.  Stop fooling us and yourself.  You are DEAD WRONG to be casting shells
> >  
> > Eddie Aguilar
> >
> > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ >
> > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to figure what to do at this
> > point and where to go. So I'm here for guidance.
> >
> > And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!!
> >
> > Many blessings!!
> >
> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote:
> > >
> > > when she can lol
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
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> > > Luis M. Aroche
> > >
> > > Day Reporting Center
> > >
> > > State Parolee Case Manager
> > >
> > > Northern California Services League
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
> > >
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> > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
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> > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work.
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > Bendicion de mis mayores
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > Silvana
> > >
> > > OcanTomi?
> > > ?
> > >
> > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font>
> > >
> > > <font face="System" ></font>& nbsp;
> > >
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> > >
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> > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
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> > > Eddie Aguilar
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
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> > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors
> > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > >
> > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > > Manager Northern California Services League
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> > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > com> wrote:
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> > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
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> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
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> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
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> > > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I
> > > > have no
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> > > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > >
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> > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
> > > > yahoo.
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> > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
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> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
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> > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
> > > > long
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> > > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
> > > > the
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> > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
> > > >
> > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
> > > > help me
> > > >
> > > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help!
> > > >
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> > > > > Many thanks!
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#4135 From: Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@...>
Date: Wed Apr 1, 2009 6:43 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Need assistance
larsenseztravel
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Yes, the egguns is a very good start and resource.  They are there to help us during times of need and we often forget about them. 
 
Before the Orishas there were egguns, so we should try to go the them.
 
I am sorry to hear that you haven't been able to find godparents.  I had my share of bad godparents and in fact my madrina in Kari Ocha was a piece of work and it was a very difficult battle with me especially since she took my mom to be initiated into Ocha for health reasons.
 
I had such a bad taste in my mouth after all she did to misguide us, especially when we needed her most for my mom and she misled us all the way and wasn't there to support us.  Unfortunately, my mom past away and the thing that hurt me the most was that it was told to my mom in her Ita that if she was misled she would die, because she needed to be religious.  Our madrina at the time, worry more about money and never gave my mom her Ita notebook and my mom was never able to do the things that were in the notebook to save her life.  So, now I strongly recommend that when you are searching for godparents, especially if its for health reasons to be very very selective.
 
If you notice that they aren't there to answer your questions at first, walk away.  If you notice that they have mood swings or tend to be short, mean, and rude, walk away.  If they have a arrogant attitude walk away.  If they want to take advantage of your situation, by asking for outrageous prices walk away.  A good godparent will be there for you in the good times and the bad times.  They will guide you in the right path and teach you all that needs to be taught.  They will be easily accessible and take extra precautions of those that need the extra care for health reasons.  Godparents are like an extra pair of parents and if they can't be good to their own children then they can't be good to you.
 
Ask you egguns and guardian to guide you the right way and pray for guidance at all times.  Don't rush, because when you least expect it you will run into the ones that are out there just for the money and they do nothing but trash and then they want someone else to correct their mistakes.
 
Where are you located?
 
OmiLaded
--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Marie S. <mgs_617@...> wrote:

From: Marie S. <mgs_617@...>
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:10 AM

I'm sorry...but I don't have any advice, but I sympathize with you...I have been looking for godparents for years and it seems like almost every person I meet, either seems nice at first or is rude from the beginning. I am all alone and I have no where to turn either...my health is failing I spent the last month bedridden...
but I'll pray that you find someone close to you that can shed some light on your issues....
 
one thing that might help if you haven't done it already is ask your ancestors. Set an altar with coffee, a glass of cool water and anything else that you think that they might like...petition them at the same time everyday for 7 days.... I have done this for several things in my life and it has been somewhat helpful.

--- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com>
Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:53 AM


First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a shell reading. Try re-reading that. I said shells were thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba was never born with shells.

Second of all, you should really READ what is being said instead of throwing stones, when all one is really trying to do is get and gain some sort of guidance and get answers to questions regarding situations.

This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and asked questions in the past. They say many people have no idea or understanding about this or that, yet when one asks questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have individuals like yourself who like to throw "stones" instead of trying to be helpful.

For those who have responded in kind, thank you very much. I am truly looking for guidance and some assistance. Please feel free to email me. I don't know much except for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really all I can go with at this point.

--- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "Oyawole" <oyalove9@.. .> wrote:
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> Alafia Eddie:
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> She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking that she had a reading???? By a priest????
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> Oyawole
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> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ > wrote:
> >
> > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered this post of yours correctly yet, but SHELLS?  This religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in the head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua with cocos but not my elders, but shells?  They are BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have no right to be using them, the answers they are giving you are nonsense, and you are probably giving Ellegua a big headache to boot.  Stop fooling us and yourself.  You are DEAD WRONG to be casting shells
> >  
> > Eddie Aguilar
> >
> > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > wrote:
> >
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> > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ >
> > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM
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> > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to figure what to do at this
> > point and where to go. So I'm here for guidance.
> >
> > And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!!
> >
> > Many blessings!!
> >
> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote:
> > >
> > > when she can lol
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> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > Day Reporting Center
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> > > State Parolee Case Manager
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> > > Northern California Services League
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> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote:
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> > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
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> > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work.
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> > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font>
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> > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
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> > > Eddie Aguilar
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
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> > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors
> > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > >
> > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > > Manager Northern California Services League
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > com> wrote:
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> > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > com>
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> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
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> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > > I would say to consult and see what
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> > > > > Elegua have to say, and ask who you should petion and
> > > > what
> > > >
> > > > > offering you need to make. ?Or if you have a
> > > > godparent go
> > > >
> > > > > to him/ her for advice. ?
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> > > > > Silvana
> > > >
> > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
> > > > <aintyebizniz@
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> > > > > Baby, I believe fertility is
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> > > > > controlled by Yemaya, who rules the reproductive
> > > > system, but
> > > >
> > > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I
> > > > have no
> > > >
> > > > > idea
> > > >
> > > > > ?
> > > >
> > > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
> > > > yahoo.
> > > >
> > > > > com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
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> > > > > Alafia,
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> > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
> > > > long
> > > >
> > > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
> > > >
> > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
> > > > help me
> > > >
> > > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help!
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Many thanks!
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Kim
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#4136 From: Rafael <gnomishglee@...>
Date: Wed Apr 1, 2009 6:50 pm
Subject: RE: Me and My Eggun Stick
gnomishglee
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Luz!
Tto honor those that were less than stellar in life, its good. They need that.
A question i have however, where do eggun sticks come from. Two folks have thus far discussed recieving them. Whereas two babalows told me just to make it, no fancy rituals needed aside fromt the prescribed number of ribbons and bells



From: davidsoul720@...
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:43 AM
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Me and My Eggun Stick

I amm getting my eggun stick in 2 weeks.

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile


From: "kcsberry"
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:19:14 -0000
To: <aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [aleyos-online] Me and My Eggun Stick

Alafia Group! This is my first posting as I tend to lurk and learn; live and ask. Along with my Warriors, I've recently received my Eggun Stick.

It's beautiful! I love it. The ribbons and the bells and the tile.
Not to mention the vine that wraps and twists resembling a snake.

As used to streaking through my house as I am, it reminds me that
robes *do* work and that I have 3 of them. It also sits in a corner and reminds me that I am not alone, that I Am because They *Were*.

So that being said:

It is sooooo comforting to know that there are people who love me and
WANT to remember my name.

I was talking to my Father (actual Father, David, haha!) and came to
the realization that his father was a total sh*t. I always knew this
because of the sour looks and smirks that would cross everyone's faces when "The Old Man" was mentioned. I *also* learned that The Old Man's side of the family was particularly nasty to my Grandma and her kids.

So I thought...hmmm....

I have an ENTIRE side of my family that NO ONE wants to talk about let
alone remember. These people had few children, some had none. And
they will die when my Grandmother decides to leave. Forgotten. What
an unfortunate fate, to never be remembered by the people who share
your nose or your eyes. To be denied the ability to help.

So I thought...hmmm....

I should ask their names No matter how awful they were to my Nana
or to my Dad, they deserve some kind of respect and redemption. They deserve to hold their rightful places in my life.

Maybe *this* is why I never learned about them. I'm 30 and I'm *JUST*
now finding out who these people are. I've been given 30 years to live; to love; to make mistakes; to learn to forgive others and to forgive myself. *Maybe* I've been shielded from them, so I can honor-them-as-Eggun-lovingly rather than bringing-myself-to-forgive-them like
one forgives a second-hand smoker.

Just a few thoughts. Feel free to add. :)


#4137 From: "Oyawole" <oyalove9@...>
Date: Wed Apr 1, 2009 8:25 pm
Subject: Re: Need assistance
oyalove9
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Mai:

OMGGGGG!!! I have heard this over and over and over ... things I have seen that
Santera/os have done to their Godchildren face upp!!!has been unbelieveable ..
OMG .. people take your time!!!  Trash is out there .. waiting to suck up your
money like a funnel and give you NADA .. wowwwww!  Horrible.

Ase to you and Luz to the Spirit of your Mommy!

Oyawole

--- In aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com, Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@...>
wrote:
>
> Yes, the egguns is a very good start and resource.  They are there to help us
during times of need and we often forget about them. 
>  
> Before the Orishas there were egguns, so we should try to go the them.
>  
> I am sorry to hear that you haven't been able to find godparents.  I had my
share of bad godparents and in fact my madrina in Kari Ocha was a piece of work
and it was a very difficult battle with me especially since she took my mom to
be initiated into Ocha for health reasons.
>  
> I had such a bad taste in my mouth after all she did to misguide us,
especially when we needed her most for my mom and she misled us all the way and
wasn't there to support us.  Unfortunately, my mom past away and the thing that
hurt me the most was that it was told to my mom in her Ita that if she was
misled she would die, because she needed to be religious.  Our madrina at the
time, worry more about money and never gave my mom her Ita notebook and my mom
was never able to do the things that were in the notebook to save her life.  So,
now I strongly recommend that when you are searching for godparents, especially
if its for health reasons to be very very selective.
>  
> If you notice that they aren't there to answer your questions at first, walk
away.  If you notice that they have mood swings or tend to be short, mean, and
rude, walk away.  If they have a arrogant attitude walk away.  If they want to
take advantage of your situation, by asking for outrageous prices walk away.  A
good godparent will be there for you in the good times and the bad times.  They
will guide you in the right path and teach you all that needs to be taught. 
They will be easily accessible and take extra precautions of those that need the
extra care for health reasons.  Godparents are like an extra pair of parents and
if they can't be good to their own children then they can't be good to you.
>  
> Ask you egguns and guardian to guide you the right way and pray for guidance
at all times.  Don't rush, because when you least expect it you will run into
the ones that are out there just for the money and they do nothing but trash and
then they want someone else to correct their mistakes.
>  
> Where are you located?
>  
> OmiLaded
> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Marie S. <mgs_617@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Marie S. <mgs_617@...>
> Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:10 AM
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> I'm sorry...but I don't have any advice, but I sympathize with you...I have
been looking for godparents for years and it seems like almost every person I
meet, either seems nice at first or is rude from the beginning. I am all alone
and I have no where to turn either...my health is failing I spent the last month
bedridden...
> but I'll pray that you find someone close to you that can shed some light on
your issues....
>  
> one thing that might help if you haven't done it already is ask your
ancestors. Set an altar with coffee, a glass of cool water and anything else
that you think that they might like...petition them at the same time everyday
for 7 days.... I have done this for several things in my life and it has been
somewhat helpful.
>
> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com>
> Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:53 AM
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>
> First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a shell reading. Try re-reading that.
I said shells were thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba was never born with
shells.
>
> Second of all, you should really READ what is being said instead of throwing
stones, when all one is really trying to do is get and gain some sort of
guidance and get answers to questions regarding situations.
>
> This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and asked questions in the
past. They say many people have no idea or understanding about this or that, yet
when one asks questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have individuals
like yourself who like to throw "stones" instead of trying to be helpful.
>
> For those who have responded in kind, thank you very much. I am truly looking
for guidance and some assistance. Please feel free to email me. I don't know
much except for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really all I
can go with at this point.
>
> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "Oyawole" <oyalove9@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Alafia Eddie:
> >
> > She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking that she had a reading????
By a priest????
> >
> > Oyawole
> >
> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ >
wrote:
> > >
> > > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered this post of yours correctly
yet, but SHELLS?  This religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in
the head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua with cocos but not my
elders, but shells?  They are BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have
no right to be using them, the answers they are giving you are nonsense, and you
are probably giving Ellegua a big headache to boot.  Stop fooling us and
yourself.  You are DEAD WRONG to be casting shells
> > >  
> > > Eddie Aguilar
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ >
> > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM
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> > > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and
discussed my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use
to live in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened
with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an
Ile in Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I
couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no
triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned
that I have another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't
figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was
told twins boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I
have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I
didn't expect anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just
trying to figure what to do at
>  this
> > > point and where to go. So I'm here for guidance.
> > >
> > > And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here,
thank you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!!
> > >
> > > Many blessings!!
> > >
> > > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote:
> > > >
> > > > when she can lol
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> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...>
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > Day Reporting Center
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> > > > State Parolee Case Manager
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> > > > Northern California Services League
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> > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote:
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> > > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...>
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
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> > > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if
you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or
yemaya?
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the
meridilogun tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by
the Orisha or Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my
muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it
isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I
work.
> > > >
> > > > ?
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> > > > Bendicion de mis mayores
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> > > > ?
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> > > > Silvana
> > > >
> > > > OcanTomi?
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> > > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font>
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> > > > <font face="System" ></font>& nbsp;
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> > > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted
that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether
orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to
make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE
SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not
had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
> > > >
> > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
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> > > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors
> > > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > > >
> > > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > > > Manager Northern California Services League
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > > com> wrote:
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> > > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > > com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
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> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > > what
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> > > > > > offering you need to make. ?Or if you have a
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> > > > > > Silvana
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
> > > > > <aintyebizniz@
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> > > > > > controlled by Yemaya, who rules the reproductive
> > > > > system, but
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> > > > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I
> > > > > have no
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> > > > > > Eddie Aguilar
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> > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
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> > > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > >
> > > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
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> > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
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> > > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
> > > > > long
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> > > > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
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> > > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
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> > > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
> > > > > help me
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> > > > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help!
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#4138 From: Silvy <s_frak@...>
Date: Wed Apr 1, 2009 9:06 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Need assistance
s_frak
Send Email Send Email
 

Please do not judge all the Santera(o)'s in the community because of a rotten apple, all religions have rotten people.. It is HUMAN KIND and not the Religion. 
 
Silvana
 
 



From: Oyawole <oyalove9@...>
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 4:25:42 PM
Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance

Mai:

OMGGGGG!!! I have heard this over and over and over ... things I have seen that Santera/os have done to their Godchildren face upp!!!has been unbelieveable .. OMG .. people take your time!!! Trash is out there .. waiting to suck up your money like a funnel and give you NADA .. wowwwww! Horrible.

Ase to you and Luz to the Spirit of your Mommy!

Oyawole

--- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@ ...> wrote:
>
> Yes, the egguns is a very good start and resource.  They are there to help us during times of need and we often forget about them. 
>  
> Before the Orishas there were egguns, so we should try to go the them.
>  
> I am sorry to hear that you haven't been able to find godparents.  I had my share of bad godparents and in fact my madrina in Kari Ocha was a piece of work and it was a very difficult battle with me especially since she took my mom to be initiated into Ocha for health reasons.
>  
> I had such a bad taste in my mouth after all she did to misguide us, especially when we needed her most for my mom and she misled us all the way and wasn't there to support us.  Unfortunately, my mom past away and the thing that hurt me the most was that it was told to my mom in her Ita that if she was misled she would die, because she needed to be religious.  Our madrina at the time, worry more about money and never gave my mom her Ita notebook and my mom was never able to do the things that were in the notebook to save her life.  So, now I strongly recommend that when you are searching for godparents, especially if its for health reasons to be very very selective.
>  
> If you notice that they aren't there to answer your questions at first, walk away.  If you notice that they have mood swings or tend to be short, mean, and rude, walk away.  If they have a arrogant attitude walk away.  If they want to take advantage of your situation, by asking for outrageous prices walk away.  A good godparent will be there for you in the good times and the bad times.  They will guide you in the right path and teach you all that needs to be taught.  They will be easily accessible and take extra precautions of those that need the extra care for health reasons.  Godparents are like an extra pair of parents and if they can't be good to their own children then they can't be good to you.
>  
> Ask you egguns and guardian to guide you the right way and pray for guidance at all times.  Don't rush, because when you least expect it you will run into the ones that are out there just for the money and they do nothing but trash and then they want someone else to correct their mistakes.
>  
> Where are you located?
>  
> OmiLaded
> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Marie S. <mgs_617@... > wrote:
>
>
> From: Marie S. <mgs_617@... >
> Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:10 AM
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> I'm sorry...but I don't have any advice, but I sympathize with you...I have been looking for godparents for years and it seems like almost every person I meet, either seems nice at first or is rude from the beginning. I am all alone and I have no where to turn either...my health is failing I spent the last month bedridden...
> but I'll pray that you find someone close to you that can shed some light on your issues....
>  
> one thing that might help if you haven't done it already is ask your ancestors. Set an altar with coffee, a glass of cool water and anything else that you think that they might like...petition them at the same time everyday for 7 days.... I have done this for several things in my life and it has been somewhat helpful.
>
> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com> wrote:
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> From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:53 AM
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> First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a shell reading. Try re-reading that. I said shells were thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba was never born with shells.
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> Second of all, you should really READ what is being said instead of throwing stones, when all one is really trying to do is get and gain some sort of guidance and get answers to questions regarding situations.
>
> This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and asked questions in the past. They say many people have no idea or understanding about this or that, yet when one asks questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have individuals like yourself who like to throw "stones" instead of trying to be helpful.
>
> For those who have responded in kind, thank you very much. I am truly looking for guidance and some assistance. Please feel free to email me. I don't know much except for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really all I can go with at this point.
>
> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "Oyawole" <oyalove9@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Alafia Eddie:
> >
> > She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking that she had a reading???? By a priest????
> >
> > Oyawole
> >
> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered this post of yours correctly yet, but SHELLS?  This religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in the head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua with cocos but not my elders, but shells?  They are BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have no right to be using them, the answers they are giving you are nonsense, and you are probably giving Ellegua a big headache to boot.  Stop fooling us and yourself.  You are DEAD WRONG to be casting shells
> > >  
> > > Eddie Aguilar
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ >
> > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM
> > >
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> > > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to figure what to do at
> this
> > > point and where to go. So I'm here for guidance.
> > >
> > > And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!!
> > >
> > > Many blessings!!
> > >
> > > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote:
> > > >
> > > > when she can lol
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...>
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > Luis M. Aroche
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> > > > Day Reporting Center
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> > > > State Parolee Case Manager
> > > >
> > > > Northern California Services League
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote:
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> > > >
> > > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...>
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
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> > > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya?
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work.
> > > >
> > > > ?
> > > >
> > > > Bendicion de mis mayores
> > > >
> > > > ?
> > > >
> > > > Silvana
> > > >
> > > > OcanTomi?
> > > > ?
> > > >
> > > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font>
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> > > > <font face="System" ></font>& nbsp;
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> > > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
> > > >
> > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
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> > > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors
> > > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > > >
> > > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > > > Manager Northern California Services League
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > > com> wrote:
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> > > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > > com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > >
> > > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
> > > > > yahoogroups. com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > > what
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> > > > > > offering you need to make. ?Or if you have a
> > > > > godparent go
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> > > > > > Silvana
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> > > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
> > > > > <aintyebizniz@
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> > > > > > Baby, I believe fertility is
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> > > > > > controlled by Yemaya, who rules the reproductive
> > > > > system, but
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> > > > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I
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> > > > > > Eddie Aguilar
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> > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
> > > > > yahoo.
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> > > > > > com> wrote:
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> > > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > >
> > > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
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> > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
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> > > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
> > > > > long
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> > > > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
> > > > > the
> > > > >
> > > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
> > > > >
> > > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
> > > > > help me
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> > > > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help!
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#4139 From: Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@...>
Date: Wed Apr 1, 2009 11:06 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Need assistance
larsenseztravel
Send Email Send Email
 
Thank you.  Fortunately for me I was able to replace my madrina of Kari Ocha.  I would never refer her to anyone and in fact she has had her share of mishaps since the passing of my mom.
 
It is tales like my mom that should be used as an example of what not to select when looking for godparents.  My mom was just one known case and I just mentioned a portion of what happened, if I mentioned the rest I am sure that people would be outraged as I was at the time.  I was lucky enough to heal and get over the loss and pain.  It was that experience that has lend me to be a better godparent and to ensure that no one ever have to go through what we went through.
 
Santeria is a beautiful religion, and there is more to the religion then just money.  The sounds of the drums, the music, and just the overall experience is beautiful.  I would not change my initiation process with the exception of my madrina.  However, I have learned alot and it has been something that I now use when I meet new aleyos.
 
Never give up, be persistent, but be cautious.  Like it was mentioned there are people out there lurking to get you but for your money only.
 
Blessing to all and my may mother Yemaya bless you all.
 
OmiLaded

--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Oyawole <oyalove9@...> wrote:

From: Oyawole <oyalove9@...>
Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 3:25 PM

Mai:

OMGGGGG!!! I have heard this over and over and over ... things I have seen that Santera/os have done to their Godchildren face upp!!!has been unbelieveable .. OMG .. people take your time!!! Trash is out there .. waiting to suck up your money like a funnel and give you NADA .. wowwwww! Horrible.

Ase to you and Luz to the Spirit of your Mommy!

Oyawole

--- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@ ...> wrote:
>
> Yes, the egguns is a very good start and resource.  They are there to help us during times of need and we often forget about them. 
>  
> Before the Orishas there were egguns, so we should try to go the them.
>  
> I am sorry to hear that you haven't been able to find godparents.  I had my share of bad godparents and in fact my madrina in Kari Ocha was a piece of work and it was a very difficult battle with me especially since she took my mom to be initiated into Ocha for health reasons.
>  
> I had such a bad taste in my mouth after all she did to misguide us, especially when we needed her most for my mom and she misled us all the way and wasn't there to support us.  Unfortunately, my mom past away and the thing that hurt me the most was that it was told to my mom in her Ita that if she was misled she would die, because she needed to be religious.  Our madrina at the time, worry more about money and never gave my mom her Ita notebook and my mom was never able to do the things that were in the notebook to save her life.  So, now I strongly recommend that when you are searching for godparents, especially if its for health reasons to be very very selective.
>  
> If you notice that they aren't there to answer your questions at first, walk away.  If you notice that they have mood swings or tend to be short, mean, and rude, walk away.  If they have a arrogant attitude walk away.  If they want to take advantage of your situation, by asking for outrageous prices walk away.  A good godparent will be there for you in the good times and the bad times.  They will guide you in the right path and teach you all that needs to be taught.  They will be easily accessible and take extra precautions of those that need the extra care for health reasons.  Godparents are like an extra pair of parents and if they can't be good to their own children then they can't be good to you.
>  
> Ask you egguns and guardian to guide you the right way and pray for guidance at all times.  Don't rush, because when you least expect it you will run into the ones that are out there just for the money and they do nothing but trash and then they want someone else to correct their mistakes.
>  
> Where are you located?
>  
> OmiLaded
> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Marie S. <mgs_617@... > wrote:
>
>
> From: Marie S. <mgs_617@... >
> Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:10 AM
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> I'm sorry...but I don't have any advice, but I sympathize with you...I have been looking for godparents for years and it seems like almost every person I meet, either seems nice at first or is rude from the beginning. I am all alone and I have no where to turn either...my health is failing I spent the last month bedridden...
> but I'll pray that you find someone close to you that can shed some light on your issues....
>  
> one thing that might help if you haven't done it already is ask your ancestors. Set an altar with coffee, a glass of cool water and anything else that you think that they might like...petition them at the same time everyday for 7 days.... I have done this for several things in my life and it has been somewhat helpful.
>
> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
> From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:53 AM
>
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>
>
>
> First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a shell reading. Try re-reading that. I said shells were thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba was never born with shells.
>
> Second of all, you should really READ what is being said instead of throwing stones, when all one is really trying to do is get and gain some sort of guidance and get answers to questions regarding situations.
>
> This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and asked questions in the past. They say many people have no idea or understanding about this or that, yet when one asks questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have individuals like yourself who like to throw "stones" instead of trying to be helpful.
>
> For those who have responded in kind, thank you very much. I am truly looking for guidance and some assistance. Please feel free to email me. I don't know much except for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really all I can go with at this point.
>
> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "Oyawole" <oyalove9@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Alafia Eddie:
> >
> > She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking that she had a reading???? By a priest????
> >
> > Oyawole
> >
> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered this post of yours correctly yet, but SHELLS?  This religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in the head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua with cocos but not my elders, but shells?  They are BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have no right to be using them, the answers they are giving you are nonsense, and you are probably giving Ellegua a big headache to boot.  Stop fooling us and yourself.  You are DEAD WRONG to be casting shells
> > >  
> > > Eddie Aguilar
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ >
> > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM
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> > > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to figure what to do at
> this
> > > point and where to go. So I'm here for guidance.
> > >
> > > And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!!
> > >
> > > Many blessings!!
> > >
> > > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote:
> > > >
> > > > when she can lol
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...>
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > Luis M. Aroche
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> > > > Day Reporting Center
> > > >
> > > > State Parolee Case Manager
> > > >
> > > > Northern California Services League
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> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote:
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> > > >
> > > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...>
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
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> > > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya?
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work.
> > > >
> > > > ?
> > > >
> > > > Bendicion de mis mayores
> > > >
> > > > ?
> > > >
> > > > Silvana
> > > >
> > > > OcanTomi?
> > > > ?
> > > >
> > > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font>
> > > >
> > > > <font face="System" ></font>& nbsp;
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> > > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
> > > >
> > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
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> > > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors
> > > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > > >
> > > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > > > Manager Northern California Services League
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > > com> wrote:
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> > > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > > com>
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> > > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > >
> > > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
> > > > > yahoogroups. com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
> > > > > <aintyebizniz@
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> > > > > system, but
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> > > > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I
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> > > > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
> > > > > yahoo.
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> > > > > > com> wrote:
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> > > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > >
> > > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
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> > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
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> > > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
> > > > > long
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> > > > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
> > > > > the
> > > > >
> > > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
> > > > >
> > > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
> > > > > help me
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> > > > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help!
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#4141 From: OniChango <michaelito72@...>
Date: Thu Apr 2, 2009 12:14 am
Subject: Re: Re: Need assistance
michaelito72
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I mostly agree Erik & Mai Larsen.

Most of that is great advice and I would have to agree but there are certain things that just need to be and sometimes every question cannot be answered and it will not mean that they do not know or are being jerks about it.  Sometimes as you know, things are better left unsaid until after it has happened or been done.  This is where trust comes in with each other.

There are also many things that are on a need to know basis.

They do not need to be rude about it and they should not be money hungry either.  SO with this and all the rest I agree.  Remember this is a two way and they are also human.  They are allowed to have problems and may not always be available at your beck and call.  They also need to earn your trust and know that your intentions are good. 

Also remember that going around in circles or discussing certain things with people in other places is not good either.  If the trust exists and it should if you are doing anything with them it should go both ways.  After you trust then you should go with what they say.  They need to build a relationship with you as well so it is not all one way. 

However, they should be in no way shape or form rude with you or nasty or mocking or anythign like that.  The respect should be mutual. Still, sometimes people will make certain comments so they should not be taken too seriously but chisme shoudl nto be tolerated either.

That is my advice as well. 

OniChango
OníOní


 


From: Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@...>
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 2:43:44 PM
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance

Yes, the egguns is a very good start and resource.  They are there to help us during times of need and we often forget about them. 
 
Before the Orishas there were egguns, so we should try to go the them.
 
I am sorry to hear that you haven't been able to find godparents.  I had my share of bad godparents and in fact my madrina in Kari Ocha was a piece of work and it was a very difficult battle with me especially since she took my mom to be initiated into Ocha for health reasons.
 
I had such a bad taste in my mouth after all she did to misguide us, especially when we needed her most for my mom and she misled us all the way and wasn't there to support us.  Unfortunately, my mom past away and the thing that hurt me the most was that it was told to my mom in her Ita that if she was misled she would die, because she needed to be religious.  Our madrina at the time, worry more about money and never gave my mom her Ita notebook and my mom was never able to do the things that were in the notebook to save her life.  So, now I strongly recommend that when you are searching for godparents, especially if its for health reasons to be very very selective.
 
If you notice that they aren't there to answer your questions at first, walk away.  If you notice that they have mood swings or tend to be short, mean, and rude, walk away.  If they have a arrogant attitude walk away.  If they want to take advantage of your situation, by asking for outrageous prices walk away.  A good godparent will be there for you in the good times and the bad times.  They will guide you in the right path and teach you all that needs to be taught.  They will be easily accessible and take extra precautions of those that need the extra care for health reasons.  Godparents are like an extra pair of parents and if they can't be good to their own children then they can't be good to you.
 
Ask you egguns and guardian to guide you the right way and pray for guidance at all times.  Don't rush, because when you least expect it you will run into the ones that are out there just for the money and they do nothing but trash and then they want someone else to correct their mistakes.
 
Where are you located?
 
OmiLaded
--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Marie S. <mgs_617@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Marie S. <mgs_617@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:10 AM

I'm sorry...but I don't have any advice, but I sympathize with you...I have been looking for godparents for years and it seems like almost every person I meet, either seems nice at first or is rude from the beginning. I am all alone and I have no where to turn either...my health is failing I spent the last month bedridden...
but I'll pray that you find someone close to you that can shed some light on your issues....
 
one thing that might help if you haven't done it already is ask your ancestors. Set an altar with coffee, a glass of cool water and anything else that you think that they might like...petition them at the same time everyday for 7 days.... I have done this for several things in my life and it has been somewhat helpful.

--- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com>
Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:53 AM


First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a shell reading. Try re-reading that. I said shells were thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba was never born with shells.

Second of all, you should really READ what is being said instead of throwing stones, when all one is really trying to do is get and gain some sort of guidance and get answers to questions regarding situations.

This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and asked questions in the past. They say many people have no idea or understanding about this or that, yet when one asks questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have individuals like yourself who like to throw "stones" instead of trying to be helpful.

For those who have responded in kind, thank you very much. I am truly looking for guidance and some assistance. Please feel free to email me. I don't know much except for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really all I can go with at this point.

--- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "Oyawole" <oyalove9@.. .> wrote:
>
> Alafia Eddie:
>
> She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking that she had a reading???? By a priest????
>
> Oyawole
>
> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ > wrote:
> >
> > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered this post of yours correctly yet, but SHELLS?  This religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in the head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua with cocos but not my elders, but shells?  They are BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have no right to be using them, the answers they are giving you are nonsense, and you are probably giving Ellegua a big headache to boot.  Stop fooling us and yourself.  You are DEAD WRONG to be casting shells
> >  
> > Eddie Aguilar
> >
> > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ >
> > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM
> >
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> > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to figure what to do at this
> > point and where to go. So I'm here for guidance.
> >
> > And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!!
> >
> > Many blessings!!
> >
> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote:
> > >
> > > when she can lol
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > Day Reporting Center
> > >
> > > State Parolee Case Manager
> > >
> > > Northern California Services League
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
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> > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
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> > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work.
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > Bendicion de mis mayores
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > Silvana
> > >
> > > OcanTomi?
> > > ?
> > >
> > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font>
> > >
> > > <font face="System" ></font>& nbsp;
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> > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
> > >
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> > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
> > >
> > > Eddie Aguilar
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
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> > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors
> > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > >
> > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > > Manager Northern California Services League
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > com>
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
> > > > yahoogroups. com>
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > > offering you need to make. ?Or if you have a
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> > > > > Silvana
> > > >
> > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
> > > > <aintyebizniz@
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> > > > > Baby, I believe fertility is
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> > > > > controlled by Yemaya, who rules the reproductive
> > > > system, but
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> > > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I
> > > > have no
> > > >
> > > > > idea
> > > >
> > > > > ?
> > > >
> > > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
> > > > yahoo.
> > > >
> > > > > com> wrote:
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> > > >
> > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
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> > > > > Alafia,
> > > >
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> > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
> > > > long
> > > >
> > > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
> > > >
> > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
> > > > help me
> > > >
> > > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help!
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Many thanks!
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#4142 From: OniChango <michaelito72@...>
Date: Thu Apr 2, 2009 12:34 am
Subject: Re: Re: Need assistance
michaelito72
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Well said. 

OniChango



From: Silvy <s_frak@...>
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 5:06:08 PM
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance


Please do not judge all the Santera(o)'s in the community because of a rotten apple, all religions have rotten people.. It is HUMAN KIND and not the Religion. 
 
Silvana
 
 



From: Oyawole <oyalove9@yahoo. com>
To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 4:25:42 PM
Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance

Mai:

OMGGGGG!!! I have heard this over and over and over ... things I have seen that Santera/os have done to their Godchildren face upp!!!has been unbelieveable .. OMG .. people take your time!!! Trash is out there .. waiting to suck up your money like a funnel and give you NADA .. wowwwww! Horrible.

Ase to you and Luz to the Spirit of your Mommy!

Oyawole

--- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@ ...> wrote:
>
> Yes, the egguns is a very good start and resource.  They are there to help us during times of need and we often forget about them. 
>  
> Before the Orishas there were egguns, so we should try to go the them.
>  
> I am sorry to hear that you haven't been able to find godparents.  I had my share of bad godparents and in fact my madrina in Kari Ocha was a piece of work and it was a very difficult battle with me especially since she took my mom to be initiated into Ocha for health reasons.
>  
> I had such a bad taste in my mouth after all she did to misguide us, especially when we needed her most for my mom and she misled us all the way and wasn't there to support us.  Unfortunately, my mom past away and the thing that hurt me the most was that it was told to my mom in her Ita that if she was misled she would die, because she needed to be religious.  Our madrina at the time, worry more about money and never gave my mom her Ita notebook and my mom was never able to do the things that were in the notebook to save her life.  So, now I strongly recommend that when you are searching for godparents, especially if its for health reasons to be very very selective.
>  
> If you notice that they aren't there to answer your questions at first, walk away.  If you notice that they have mood swings or tend to be short, mean, and rude, walk away.  If they have a arrogant attitude walk away.  If they want to take advantage of your situation, by asking for outrageous prices walk away.  A good godparent will be there for you in the good times and the bad times.  They will guide you in the right path and teach you all that needs to be taught.  They will be easily accessible and take extra precautions of those that need the extra care for health reasons.  Godparents are like an extra pair of parents and if they can't be good to their own children then they can't be good to you.
>  
> Ask you egguns and guardian to guide you the right way and pray for guidance at all times.  Don't rush, because when you least expect it you will run into the ones that are out there just for the money and they do nothing but trash and then they want someone else to correct their mistakes.
>  
> Where are you located?
>  
> OmiLaded
> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Marie S. <mgs_617@... > wrote:
>
>
> From: Marie S. <mgs_617@... >
> Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:10 AM
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> I'm sorry...but I don't have any advice, but I sympathize with you...I have been looking for godparents for years and it seems like almost every person I meet, either seems nice at first or is rude from the beginning. I am all alone and I have no where to turn either...my health is failing I spent the last month bedridden...
> but I'll pray that you find someone close to you that can shed some light on your issues....
>  
> one thing that might help if you haven't done it already is ask your ancestors. Set an altar with coffee, a glass of cool water and anything else that you think that they might like...petition them at the same time everyday for 7 days.... I have done this for several things in my life and it has been somewhat helpful.
>
> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com> wrote:
>
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> From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:53 AM
>
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>
>
> First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a shell reading. Try re-reading that. I said shells were thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba was never born with shells.
>
> Second of all, you should really READ what is being said instead of throwing stones, when all one is really trying to do is get and gain some sort of guidance and get answers to questions regarding situations.
>
> This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and asked questions in the past. They say many people have no idea or understanding about this or that, yet when one asks questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have individuals like yourself who like to throw "stones" instead of trying to be helpful.
>
> For those who have responded in kind, thank you very much. I am truly looking for guidance and some assistance. Please feel free to email me. I don't know much except for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really all I can go with at this point.
>
> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "Oyawole" <oyalove9@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Alafia Eddie:
> >
> > She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking that she had a reading???? By a priest????
> >
> > Oyawole
> >
> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered this post of yours correctly yet, but SHELLS?  This religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in the head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua with cocos but not my elders, but shells?  They are BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have no right to be using them, the answers they are giving you are nonsense, and you are probably giving Ellegua a big headache to boot.  Stop fooling us and yourself.  You are DEAD WRONG to be casting shells
> > >  
> > > Eddie Aguilar
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ >
> > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to figure what to do at
> this
> > > point and where to go. So I'm here for guidance.
> > >
> > > And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!!
> > >
> > > Many blessings!!
> > >
> > > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote:
> > > >
> > > > when she can lol
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...>
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > Luis M. Aroche
> > > >
> > > > Day Reporting Center
> > > >
> > > > State Parolee Case Manager
> > > >
> > > > Northern California Services League
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...>
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
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> > > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya?
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work.
> > > >
> > > > ?
> > > >
> > > > Bendicion de mis mayores
> > > >
> > > > ?
> > > >
> > > > Silvana
> > > >
> > > > OcanTomi?
> > > > ?
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> > > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font>
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> > > > <font face="System" ></font>& nbsp;
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> > > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
> > > >
> > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
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> > > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors
> > > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > > >
> > > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > > > Manager Northern California Services League
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > > com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > > com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > >
> > > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
> > > > > yahoogroups. com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > > > I would say to consult and see what
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> > > > > > Elegua have to say, and ask who you should petion and
> > > > > what
> > > > >
> > > > > > offering you need to make. ?Or if you have a
> > > > > godparent go
> > > > >
> > > > > > to him/ her for advice. ?
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Silvana
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
> > > > > <aintyebizniz@
> > > > >
> > > > > > yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > Baby, I believe fertility is
> > > > >
> > > > > > controlled by Yemaya, who rules the reproductive
> > > > > system, but
> > > > >
> > > > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I
> > > > > have no
> > > > >
> > > > > > idea
> > > > >
> > > > > > ?
> > > > >
> > > > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
> > > > > yahoo.
> > > > >
> > > > > > com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > >
> > > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
> > > > >
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> > > > > > Alafia,
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
> > > > > long
> > > > >
> > > > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
> > > > > the
> > > > >
> > > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
> > > > >
> > > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
> > > > > help me
> > > > >
> > > > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help!
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Many thanks!
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > > > Kim
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#4143 From: davidsoul720@...
Date: Thu Apr 2, 2009 2:08 am
Subject: Re: Re: Need assistance
davidsoul720
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You trust you and your heart and your guides/eggun. Most times before someone gets screwed over there are signs or feelings we ignore in our admiration. Keep your eyes and ears open and mouth shut only then can you truly be aware.

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From: "M. S."
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:10:57 -0700 (PDT)
To: <aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance

I am so sorry to hear aboutissues with this woman...she'll pay for what she does in this life and the next. And I ma so so sorry to hear about your dear mother...may she rest in peace.
 
I have seen some absolutely horrible behavior from a lot of people in the religion...and it makes me so sad...you hear such wonderful things about the Orishas and this religion and to have people pretend to care when you are in trouble just makes me so mad...And another thing that upsets me is the $$$$ issue. i know it takes money for initiations but some charge exorbatent amounts....and if you tell them you have $$$ issues then you never hear from them again....horrible. If I was a priest or priestess of any kind in any religion I would work with people when it came to $$$. Isn't that how God wants us to be? Wheres the compassion? Sorry to go on but I have to vent.... somethimes I just want to give up on this religion...not because of it...itself...but of the horrible people ive met along the way....I just dont know who to trust anymore.

--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 2:43 PM

Yes, the egguns is a very good start and resource.  They are there to help us during times of need and we often forget about them. 
 
Before the Orishas there were egguns, so we should try to go the them.
 
I am sorry to hear that you haven't been able to find godparents.  I had my share of bad godparents and in fact my madrina in Kari Ocha was a piece of work and it was a very difficult battle with me especially since she took my mom to be initiated into Ocha for health reasons.
 
I had such a bad taste in my mouth after all she did to misguide us, especially when we needed her most for my mom and she misled us all the way and wasn't there to support us.  Unfortunately, my mom past away and the thing that hurt me the most was that it was told to my mom in her Ita that if she was misled she would die, because she needed to be religious.  Our madrina at the time, worry more about money and never gave my mom her Ita notebook and my mom was never able to do the things that were in the notebook to save her life.  So, now I strongly recommend that when you are searching for godparents, especially if its for health reasons to be very very selective.
 
If you notice that they aren't there to answer your questions at first, walk away.  If you notice that they have mood swings or tend to be short, mean, and rude, walk away.  If they have a arrogant attitude walk away.  If they want to take advantage of your situation, by asking for outrageous prices walk away.  A good godparent will be there for you in the good times and the bad times.  They will guide you in the right path and teach you all that needs to be taught.  They will be easily accessible and take extra precautions of those that need the extra care for health reasons.  Godparents are like an extra pair of parents and if they can't be good to their own children then they can't be good to you.
 
Ask you egguns and guardian to guide you the right way and pray for guidance at all times.  Don't rush, because when you least expect it you will run into the ones that are out there just for the money and they do nothing but trash and then they want someone else to correct their mistakes.
 
Where are you located?
 
OmiLaded
--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Marie S. <mgs_617@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Marie S. <mgs_617@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:10 AM

I'm sorry...but I don't have any advice, but I sympathize with you...I have been looking for godparents for years and it seems like almost every person I meet, either seems nice at first or is rude from the beginning. I am all alone and I have no where to turn either...my health is failing I spent the last month bedridden...
but I'll pray that you find someone close to you that can shed some light on your issues....
 
one thing that might help if you haven't done it already is ask your ancestors. Set an altar with coffee, a glass of cool water and anything else that you think that they might like...petition them at the same time everyday for 7 days.... I have done this for several things in my life and it has been somewhat helpful.

--- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com>
Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:53 AM


First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a shell reading. Try re-reading that. I said shells were thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba was never born with shells.

Second of all, you should really READ what is being said instead of throwing stones, when all one is really trying to do is get and gain some sort of guidance and get answers to questions regarding situations.

This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and asked questions in the past. They say many people have no idea or understanding about this or that, yet when one asks questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have individuals like yourself who like to throw "stones" instead of trying to be helpful.

For those who have responded in kind, thank you very much. I am truly looking for guidance and some assistance. Please feel free to email me. I don't know much except for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really all I can go with at this point.

--- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "Oyawole" <oyalove9@.. .> wrote:
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> Alafia Eddie:
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> She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking that she had a reading???? By a priest????
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> Oyawole
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> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ > wrote:
> >
> > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered this post of yours correctly yet, but SHELLS?  This religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in the head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua with cocos but not my elders, but shells?  They are BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have no right to be using them, the answers they are giving you are nonsense, and you are probably giving Ellegua a big headache to boot.  Stop fooling us and yourself.  You are DEAD WRONG to be casting shells
> >  
> > Eddie Aguilar
> >
> > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > wrote:
> >
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> > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ >
> > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM
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> > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to figure what to do at this
> > point and where to go. So I'm here for guidance.
> >
> > And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!!
> >
> > Many blessings!!
> >
> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote:
> > >
> > > when she can lol
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote:
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> > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
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> > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work.
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> > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
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> > > Eddie Aguilar
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
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> > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors
> > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > >
> > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > > Manager Northern California Services League
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> > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
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> > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
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> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
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> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > > Silvana
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> > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
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> > > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
> > > > yahoo.
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> > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
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> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
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> > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
> > > > long
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> > > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
> > > >
> > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
> > > > help me
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> > > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help!
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> > > > > Many thanks!
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#4145 From: Kimi <baby_48046@...>
Date: Thu Apr 2, 2009 4:13 am
Subject: Re: Re: Need assistance
baby_48046
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I wish I had this wise advice before hand. But things come in their own time, as people keep telling me. I swear I've heard that phrase more in the past 2 weeks than in my whole lifetime!

I currently reside in the Hampton Roads area of Virginia.

K

--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@...> wrote:

From: Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@...>
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 2:43 PM

Yes, the egguns is a very good start and resource.  They are there to help us during times of need and we often forget about them. 
 
Before the Orishas there were egguns, so we should try to go the them.
 
I am sorry to hear that you haven't been able to find godparents.  I had my share of bad godparents and in fact my madrina in Kari Ocha was a piece of work and it was a very difficult battle with me especially since she took my mom to be initiated into Ocha for health reasons.
 
I had such a bad taste in my mouth after all she did to misguide us, especially when we needed her most for my mom and she misled us all the way and wasn't there to support us.  Unfortunately, my mom past away and the thing that hurt me the most was that it was told to my mom in her Ita that if she was misled she would die, because she needed to be religious.  Our madrina at the time, worry more about money and never gave my mom her Ita notebook and my mom was never able to do the things that were in the notebook to save her life.  So, now I strongly recommend that when you are searching for godparents, especially if its for health reasons to be very very selective.
 
If you notice that they aren't there to answer your questions at first, walk away.  If you notice that they have mood swings or tend to be short, mean, and rude, walk away.  If they have a arrogant attitude walk away.  If they want to take advantage of your situation, by asking for outrageous prices walk away.  A good godparent will be there for you in the good times and the bad times.  They will guide you in the right path and teach you all that needs to be taught.  They will be easily accessible and take extra precautions of those that need the extra care for health reasons.  Godparents are like an extra pair of parents and if they can't be good to their own children then they can't be good to you.
 
Ask you egguns and guardian to guide you the right way and pray for guidance at all times.  Don't rush, because when you least expect it you will run into the ones that are out there just for the money and they do nothing but trash and then they want someone else to correct their mistakes.
 
Where are you located?
 
OmiLaded
--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Marie S. <mgs_617@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Marie S. <mgs_617@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:10 AM

I'm sorry...but I don't have any advice, but I sympathize with you...I have been looking for godparents for years and it seems like almost every person I meet, either seems nice at first or is rude from the beginning. I am all alone and I have no where to turn either...my health is failing I spent the last month bedridden...
but I'll pray that you find someone close to you that can shed some light on your issues....
 
one thing that might help if you haven't done it already is ask your ancestors. Set an altar with coffee, a glass of cool water and anything else that you think that they might like...petition them at the same time everyday for 7 days.... I have done this for several things in my life and it has been somewhat helpful.

--- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com>
Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:53 AM


First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a shell reading. Try re-reading that. I said shells were thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba was never born with shells.

Second of all, you should really READ what is being said instead of throwing stones, when all one is really trying to do is get and gain some sort of guidance and get answers to questions regarding situations.

This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and asked questions in the past. They say many people have no idea or understanding about this or that, yet when one asks questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have individuals like yourself who like to throw "stones" instead of trying to be helpful.

For those who have responded in kind, thank you very much. I am truly looking for guidance and some assistance. Please feel free to email me. I don't know much except for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really all I can go with at this point.

--- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "Oyawole" <oyalove9@.. .> wrote:
>
> Alafia Eddie:
>
> She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking that she had a reading???? By a priest????
>
> Oyawole
>
> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ > wrote:
> >
> > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered this post of yours correctly yet, but SHELLS?  This religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in the head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua with cocos but not my elders, but shells?  They are BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have no right to be using them, the answers they are giving you are nonsense, and you are probably giving Ellegua a big headache to boot.  Stop fooling us and yourself.  You are DEAD WRONG to be casting shells
> >  
> > Eddie Aguilar
> >
> > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ >
> > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM
> >
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> > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to figure what to do at this
> > point and where to go. So I'm here for guidance.
> >
> > And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!!
> >
> > Many blessings!!
> >
> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote:
> > >
> > > when she can lol
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
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> > > Luis M. Aroche
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> > > Day Reporting Center
> > >
> > > State Parolee Case Manager
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> > > Northern California Services League
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> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
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> > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work.
> > >
> > > ?
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> > > Bendicion de mis mayores
> > >
> > > ?
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> > > Silvana
> > >
> > > OcanTomi?
> > > ?
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> > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font>
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> > > <font face="System" ></font>& nbsp;
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> > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
> > >
> > > Eddie Aguilar
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
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> > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors
> > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > >
> > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > > Manager Northern California Services League
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > com> wrote:
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> > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
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> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
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> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > > Elegua have to say, and ask who you should petion and
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> > > > godparent go
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> > > > > Silvana
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> > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
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> > > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I
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> > > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
> > > > yahoo.
> > > >
> > > > > com> wrote:
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> > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
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> > > > > Alafia,
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> > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
> > > > long
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> > > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
> > > >
> > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
> > > > help me
> > > >
> > > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help!
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> > > > > Many thanks!
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> > > Job Hunting? Start with the companies that posted job openings this week.
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>





#4146 From: Kimi <baby_48046@...>
Date: Thu Apr 2, 2009 4:19 am
Subject: Re: Re: Need assistance
baby_48046
Send Email Send Email
 
I completely agree. I think I was meant to be in the "family" since as a child I made my own Elegba's from mud and stone and talked to them like they were real. Of course the other kids thought I was nuts, but oh well. At the time, I had no idea what I was doing, I just knew it felt right. And now with being an adult and in my continual learning, I've learned this is where I'm meant to be. And it does feel like home to me and quite comfortable.



--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Silvy <s_frak@...> wrote:

From: Silvy <s_frak@...>
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 5:06 PM


Please do not judge all the Santera(o)'s in the community because of a rotten apple, all religions have rotten people.. It is HUMAN KIND and not the Religion. 
 
Silvana
 
 



From: Oyawole <oyalove9@yahoo. com>
To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 4:25:42 PM
Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance

Mai:

OMGGGGG!!! I have heard this over and over and over ... things I have seen that Santera/os have done to their Godchildren face upp!!!has been unbelieveable .. OMG .. people take your time!!! Trash is out there .. waiting to suck up your money like a funnel and give you NADA .. wowwwww! Horrible.

Ase to you and Luz to the Spirit of your Mommy!

Oyawole

--- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@ ...> wrote:
>
> Yes, the egguns is a very good start and resource.  They are there to help us during times of need and we often forget about them. 
>  
> Before the Orishas there were egguns, so we should try to go the them.
>  
> I am sorry to hear that you haven't been able to find godparents.  I had my share of bad godparents and in fact my madrina in Kari Ocha was a piece of work and it was a very difficult battle with me especially since she took my mom to be initiated into Ocha for health reasons.
>  
> I had such a bad taste in my mouth after all she did to misguide us, especially when we needed her most for my mom and she misled us all the way and wasn't there to support us.  Unfortunately, my mom past away and the thing that hurt me the most was that it was told to my mom in her Ita that if she was misled she would die, because she needed to be religious.  Our madrina at the time, worry more about money and never gave my mom her Ita notebook and my mom was never able to do the things that were in the notebook to save her life.  So, now I strongly recommend that when you are searching for godparents, especially if its for health reasons to be very very selective.
>  
> If you notice that they aren't there to answer your questions at first, walk away.  If you notice that they have mood swings or tend to be short, mean, and rude, walk away.  If they have a arrogant attitude walk away.  If they want to take advantage of your situation, by asking for outrageous prices walk away.  A good godparent will be there for you in the good times and the bad times.  They will guide you in the right path and teach you all that needs to be taught.  They will be easily accessible and take extra precautions of those that need the extra care for health reasons.  Godparents are like an extra pair of parents and if they can't be good to their own children then they can't be good to you.
>  
> Ask you egguns and guardian to guide you the right way and pray for guidance at all times.  Don't rush, because when you least expect it you will run into the ones that are out there just for the money and they do nothing but trash and then they want someone else to correct their mistakes.
>  
> Where are you located?
>  
> OmiLaded
> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Marie S. <mgs_617@... > wrote:
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> From: Marie S. <mgs_617@... >
> Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:10 AM
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> I'm sorry...but I don't have any advice, but I sympathize with you...I have been looking for godparents for years and it seems like almost every person I meet, either seems nice at first or is rude from the beginning. I am all alone and I have no where to turn either...my health is failing I spent the last month bedridden...
> but I'll pray that you find someone close to you that can shed some light on your issues....
>  
> one thing that might help if you haven't done it already is ask your ancestors. Set an altar with coffee, a glass of cool water and anything else that you think that they might like...petition them at the same time everyday for 7 days.... I have done this for several things in my life and it has been somewhat helpful.
>
> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com> wrote:
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> From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:53 AM
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> First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a shell reading. Try re-reading that. I said shells were thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba was never born with shells.
>
> Second of all, you should really READ what is being said instead of throwing stones, when all one is really trying to do is get and gain some sort of guidance and get answers to questions regarding situations.
>
> This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and asked questions in the past. They say many people have no idea or understanding about this or that, yet when one asks questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have individuals like yourself who like to throw "stones" instead of trying to be helpful.
>
> For those who have responded in kind, thank you very much. I am truly looking for guidance and some assistance. Please feel free to email me. I don't know much except for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really all I can go with at this point.
>
> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "Oyawole" <oyalove9@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Alafia Eddie:
> >
> > She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking that she had a reading???? By a priest????
> >
> > Oyawole
> >
> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered this post of yours correctly yet, but SHELLS?  This religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in the head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua with cocos but not my elders, but shells?  They are BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have no right to be using them, the answers they are giving you are nonsense, and you are probably giving Ellegua a big headache to boot.  Stop fooling us and yourself.  You are DEAD WRONG to be casting shells
> > >  
> > > Eddie Aguilar
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ >
> > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to figure what to do at
> this
> > > point and where to go. So I'm here for guidance.
> > >
> > > And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!!
> > >
> > > Many blessings!!
> > >
> > > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote:
> > > >
> > > > when she can lol
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...>
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > Day Reporting Center
> > > >
> > > > State Parolee Case Manager
> > > >
> > > > Northern California Services League
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> > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote:
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> > > >
> > > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...>
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
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> > > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya?
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work.
> > > >
> > > > ?
> > > >
> > > > Bendicion de mis mayores
> > > >
> > > > ?
> > > >
> > > > Silvana
> > > >
> > > > OcanTomi?
> > > > ?
> > > >
> > > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font>
> > > >
> > > > <font face="System" ></font>& nbsp;
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
> > > >
> > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
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> > > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > > >
> > > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > > > Manager Northern California Services League
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> > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
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> > > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
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> > > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
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> > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
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> > > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > >
> > > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
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> > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
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> > > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
> > > > > long
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> > > > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
> > > > > the
> > > > >
> > > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
> > > > >
> > > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
> > > > > help me
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> > > > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help!
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#4147 From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@...>
Date: Thu Apr 2, 2009 5:32 am
Subject: God parents and Derechos
luis_aroche
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Alafia:

  I have been reading everyone emails about godparents and the outrageous amount
of money being ask for. For myself, I am bless that I have found a great ile.
Yet, prior to coming into the house I did my homework.I bought books, read in
the library and even visited the Internet for information. Many people get taken
advantage because they lack the knowledge of La Relga de Ocha. In every religion
you find crooks. In christian, catholic and even Muslims. You will find people
that are their for themselves. You must leave up to our creator to deal with
them. No need to throw negative energy out. You can not fight fire with fire. My
god parents told me "before you choose to make this your home, go and read".
Learn all you can and most of all understand. It is a slower process but a
secure one. I pray to my warriors every night. I pray to Olofi and to all the
Orishas that made it possible for us to have the religion. I pray to my pass
love ones that gave me the
  lineage to be here. Food for thought: A wise man learns off others mistakes
while a fool learns off his own. The fool is the person that cheats the
religion. The wise man is sincere with heart. Even if you feel that you get
played, the Orishas know what was in your heart. They will take care of the
rest.

Alafia


Luis M. Aroche   Day Reporting Center   State Parolee Case Manager   Northern
California Services League


--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Kimi <baby_48046@...> wrote:

> From: Kimi <baby_48046@...>
> Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:19 PM
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> "family" since as a child I made my own
> Elegba's from mud and stone and talked to them like they
> were real. Of course the other kids thought I was nuts, but
> oh well. At the time, I had no idea what I was doing, I just
> knew it felt right. And now with being an adult and in my
> continual learning, I've learned this is where I'm
> meant to be. And it does feel like home to me and quite
> comfortable.
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> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Silvy <s_frak@yahoo.
> com> wrote:
>
> From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 5:06 PM
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> the community because of a rotten apple, all religions have
> rotten people.. It is HUMAN KIND and not the
> Religion. 
>  
> Silvana
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> From: Oyawole
> <oyalove9@yahoo. com>
> To:
> aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent:
> Wednesday, April 1, 2009 4:25:42 PM
> Subject:
> [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
>
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> Mai:
>
> OMGGGGG!!! I have heard this over and over and over ...
> things I have seen that Santera/os have done to their
> Godchildren face upp!!!has been unbelieveable .. OMG ..
> people take your time!!! Trash is out there .. waiting to
> suck up your money like a funnel and give you NADA ..
> wowwwww! Horrible.
>
> Ase to you and Luz to the Spirit of your Mommy!
>
> Oyawole
>
> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups.
> com, Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@ ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, the egguns is a very good start and
> resource.  They are there to help us during times of
> need and we often forget about them. 
> >  
> > Before the Orishas there were egguns, so we should try
> to go the them.
> >  
> > I am sorry to hear that you haven't been able to
> find
>  godparents.  I
>  had my share of bad godparents and in fact my madrina in
> Kari Ocha was a piece of work and it was a very difficult
> battle with me especially since she took my mom to be
> initiated into Ocha for health reasons.
> >  
> > I had such a bad taste in my mouth after all she did
> to misguide us, especially when we needed her most for my
> mom and she misled us all the way and wasn't there to
> support us.  Unfortunately, my mom past away and the
> thing that hurt me the most was that it was told to my mom
> in her Ita that if she was misled she would die, because she
> needed to be religious.  Our madrina at the time, worry
> more about money and never gave my mom her Ita notebook and
> my mom was never able to do the things that were in the
> notebook to save her life.  So, now I strongly
> recommend that when you are searching for godparents,
> especially if its for health reasons to be very very
> selective.
> >  
> > If you notice that
>  they aren't there to answer your questions at first,
> walk away.  If you notice that they have mood swings or
> tend to be short, mean, and rude, walk away.  If they
> have a arrogant attitude walk away.  If they want to
> take advantage of your situation, by asking for outrageous
> prices walk away.  A good godparent will be there for
> you in the good times and the bad times.  They will
> guide you in the right path and teach you all that needs to
> be taught.  They will be easily accessible and take
> extra precautions of those that need the extra care for
> health reasons.  Godparents are like an extra pair of
> parents and if they can't be good to their own children
> then they can't be good to you.
> >  
> > Ask you egguns and guardian to guide you the right way
> and pray for guidance at all times.  Don't rush,
> because when you least expect it you will run into the ones
> that are out there just for the money and they do
>  nothing but trash and then they want someone else to
> correct their mistakes.
> >  
> > Where are you located?
> >  
> > OmiLaded
> > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Marie S. <mgs_617@... >
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Marie S. <mgs_617@... >
> > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups.
> com
> > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:10 AM
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> > I'm sorry...but I don't have any advice, but I
> sympathize with you...I have been looking for godparents for
> years and it seems like almost every person I meet, either
> seems nice at first or is rude from the beginning. I am all
> alone and I have no where to turn either...my health is
>  failing I spent
>  the last month bedridden...
> > but I'll pray that you find someone close to you
> that can shed some light on your issues....
> >  
> > one thing that might help if you haven't done it
> already is ask your ancestors. Set an altar with coffee, a
> glass of cool water and anything else that you think that
> they might like...petition them at the same time everyday
> for 7 days.... I have done this for several things in my
> life and it has been somewhat helpful.
> >
> > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo.
> com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:53 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a
> shell reading. Try re-reading that. I said shells were
> thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba
>  was never born with shells.
> >
> > Second of all, you should really READ what is being
> said instead of throwing stones, when all one is really
> trying to do is get and gain some sort of guidance and get
> answers to questions regarding situations.
> >
> > This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and
> asked questions in the past. They say many people have no
> idea or understanding about this or that, yet when one asks
> questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have
> individuals like yourself who like to throw
> "stones" instead of trying to be helpful.
> >
> > For those who have responded in kind, thank you very
> much. I am truly looking for guidance and some assistance.
> Please feel free to email me. I don't know much except
> for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really
> all I can go with at this point.
> >
> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com,
> "Oyawole" <oyalove9@ .> wrote:
> >
>  >
> > > Alafia Eddie:
> > >
> > > She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking
> that she had a reading???? By a priest????
> > >
> > > Oyawole
> > >
> > > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, eddie
> Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered
> this post of yours correctly yet, but SHELLS?  This
> religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in the
> head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua
> with cocos but not my elders, but shells?  They are
> BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have no right
> to be using them, the answers they are giving you are
> nonsense, and you are probably giving Ellegua a big headache
> to boot.  Stop fooling us and yourself.  You are
> DEAD WRONG to be casting shells
> > > >  
> > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > >
> > >
>  > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ >
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ >
> > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need
> assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I
> have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since
> then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live
> in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what
> has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been
> lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well.
> When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I
> couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a
> solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm
> not fond
>  of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another
> child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just
> can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told
> I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl.
> Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I
> have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja,
> which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in
> return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to
> figure what to do at
> > this
> > > > point and where to go. So I'm here for
> guidance.
> > > >
> > > > And for those who have emailed me personally
> as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for
> all of your help and kindness!!
> > > >
> > > > Many blessings!!
> > > >
> > > > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com,
> evaobadoba@ .. wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > when she can lol
> > > > >
> > >
>  > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@
> ...>
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need
> assistance
> > > > >
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> > > > > Luis M. Aroche
> > > > >
> > > > > Day Reporting Center
> > > > >
> > > > > State Parolee Case Manager
> > > > >
> > > > > Northern California Services League
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
>  On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@
> ...>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need
> assistance
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > > ache silvy i always work with the
> muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near
> by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or
> yemaya?
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > > > Subject: Re:
>  [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > The way I was raised in the religion,
> we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and
> it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or
> Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with
> my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can
> resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the
> Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work.
> > > > >
> > > > > ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bendicion de mis mayores
> > > > >
> > > > > ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Silvana
> > > > >
> > > > >
>  OcanTomi?
> > > > > ?
> > > > >
> > > > > <font face="system"
> >Silvana< /font>
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@
> yahoo.com>
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14
> PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need
> assistance
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in
> fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a
> reading would reveal what she had to do, whether
>  orisha, the dead,
>  or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to
> make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in
> these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was
> raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of
> learning the power of merindillogun.
> > > > >
> > > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche
> <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@
> yahoo.com>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need
> assistance
> > > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups.
> com
> > > > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02
> AM
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> > > > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the
> one the opens the doors
> > > > > > and is the messager to olodumare,
> orula and all the orishas.
> > > > > > See if you can get a reading from
> a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting
> Center State Parolee Case
> > > > > > Manager Northern California
> Services League
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> > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana
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> > > > > > > From: Silvana
> <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > > > com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online]
> Need assistance
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > > > yahoogroups. com"
> <aleyos-online@
> > > > > > yahoogroups. com>
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> > > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19,
> 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > > > > I would say to consult and
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>  > > > Elegua have to say, and ask who you should
> petion and
> > > > > > what
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> ?Or if you have a
> > > > > > godparent go
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> > > > > > > Silvana
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM,
> eddie Aguilar
> > > > > > <aintyebizniz@
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> > > > > > > yahoo.com> wrote:
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> rules the reproductive
> > > > > > system, but
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> > > > > > > how big of a bash you have to
> give her to conceive I
> > > > > > have no
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> > > > > > > Eddie Aguilar
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>  >
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> > > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09,
> baby_48046 <baby_48046@
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> > > > > > > From: baby_48046
> <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need
> assistance
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > To: aleyos-online@
> yahoogroups. com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19,
> 2009, 12:48 PM
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> > > > > > > I have been trying to have
> another child for a long
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> > > > > > > time. I am at a point where I
> can no longer afford
> > > > > > the
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> fertility help anymore. Is there
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > someone who has ideas,
> information, spells that can
> > > > > > help me
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> > > > > > > with getting preg? I'd
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#4148 From: Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@...>
Date: Thu Apr 2, 2009 9:42 am
Subject: Re: Re: Need assistance
larsenseztravel
Send Email Send Email
 
OniChango,
 
That is very so much true.  That is something that we must keep in mind when seeking good godparents.  Yes, you are absolutely correct we are all human and like all humans we tend to forget a few things here and there. 
 
A good thing to keep in mind is that with good godparents comes patients  and loyalty, which is like you stated trust.   You must trust each other and avoid all chismes.
 
Thanks for the input.
 
OmiLaded

--- On Wed, 4/1/09, OniChango <michaelito72@...> wrote:

From: OniChango <michaelito72@...>
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 7:14 PM

I mostly agree Erik & Mai Larsen.

Most of that is great advice and I would have to agree but there are certain things that just need to be and sometimes every question cannot be answered and it will not mean that they do not know or are being jerks about it.  Sometimes as you know, things are better left unsaid until after it has happened or been done.  This is where trust comes in with each other.

There are also many things that are on a need to know basis.

They do not need to be rude about it and they should not be money hungry either.  SO with this and all the rest I agree.  Remember this is a two way and they are also human.  They are allowed to have problems and may not always be available at your beck and call.  They also need to earn your trust and know that your intentions are good. 

Also remember that going around in circles or discussing certain things with people in other places is not good either.  If the trust exists and it should if you are doing anything with them it should go both ways.  After you trust then you should go with what they say.  They need to build a relationship with you as well so it is not all one way. 

However, they should be in no way shape or form rude with you or nasty or mocking or anythign like that.  The respect should be mutual. Still, sometimes people will make certain comments so they should not be taken too seriously but chisme shoudl nto be tolerated either.

That is my advice as well. 

OniChango
OníOní


 


From: Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@ yahoo.com>
To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 2:43:44 PM
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance

Yes, the egguns is a very good start and resource.  They are there to help us during times of need and we often forget about them. 
 
Before the Orishas there were egguns, so we should try to go the them.
 
I am sorry to hear that you haven't been able to find godparents.  I had my share of bad godparents and in fact my madrina in Kari Ocha was a piece of work and it was a very difficult battle with me especially since she took my mom to be initiated into Ocha for health reasons.
 
I had such a bad taste in my mouth after all she did to misguide us, especially when we needed her most for my mom and she misled us all the way and wasn't there to support us.  Unfortunately, my mom past away and the thing that hurt me the most was that it was told to my mom in her Ita that if she was misled she would die, because she needed to be religious.  Our madrina at the time, worry more about money and never gave my mom her Ita notebook and my mom was never able to do the things that were in the notebook to save her life.  So, now I strongly recommend that when you are searching for godparents, especially if its for health reasons to be very very selective.
 
If you notice that they aren't there to answer your questions at first, walk away.  If you notice that they have mood swings or tend to be short, mean, and rude, walk away.  If they have a arrogant attitude walk away.  If they want to take advantage of your situation, by asking for outrageous prices walk away.  A good godparent will be there for you in the good times and the bad times.  They will guide you in the right path and teach you all that needs to be taught.  They will be easily accessible and take extra precautions of those that need the extra care for health reasons.  Godparents are like an extra pair of parents and if they can't be good to their own children then they can't be good to you.
 
Ask you egguns and guardian to guide you the right way and pray for guidance at all times.  Don't rush, because when you least expect it you will run into the ones that are out there just for the money and they do nothing but trash and then they want someone else to correct their mistakes.
 
Where are you located?
 
OmiLaded
--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Marie S. <mgs_617@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Marie S. <mgs_617@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:10 AM

I'm sorry...but I don't have any advice, but I sympathize with you...I have been looking for godparents for years and it seems like almost every person I meet, either seems nice at first or is rude from the beginning. I am all alone and I have no where to turn either...my health is failing I spent the last month bedridden...
but I'll pray that you find someone close to you that can shed some light on your issues....
 
one thing that might help if you haven't done it already is ask your ancestors. Set an altar with coffee, a glass of cool water and anything else that you think that they might like...petition them at the same time everyday for 7 days.... I have done this for several things in my life and it has been somewhat helpful.

--- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com>
Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:53 AM


First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a shell reading. Try re-reading that. I said shells were thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba was never born with shells.

Second of all, you should really READ what is being said instead of throwing stones, when all one is really trying to do is get and gain some sort of guidance and get answers to questions regarding situations.

This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and asked questions in the past. They say many people have no idea or understanding about this or that, yet when one asks questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have individuals like yourself who like to throw "stones" instead of trying to be helpful.

For those who have responded in kind, thank you very much. I am truly looking for guidance and some assistance. Please feel free to email me. I don't know much except for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really all I can go with at this point.

--- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "Oyawole" <oyalove9@.. .> wrote:
>
> Alafia Eddie:
>
> She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking that she had a reading???? By a priest????
>
> Oyawole
>
> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ > wrote:
> >
> > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered this post of yours correctly yet, but SHELLS?  This religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in the head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua with cocos but not my elders, but shells?  They are BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have no right to be using them, the answers they are giving you are nonsense, and you are probably giving Ellegua a big headache to boot.  Stop fooling us and yourself.  You are DEAD WRONG to be casting shells
> >  
> > Eddie Aguilar
> >
> > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ >
> > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM
> >
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> > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to figure what to do at this
> > point and where to go. So I'm here for guidance.
> >
> > And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!!
> >
> > Many blessings!!
> >
> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote:
> > >
> > > when she can lol
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > Day Reporting Center
> > >
> > > State Parolee Case Manager
> > >
> > > Northern California Services League
> > >
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> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote:
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> > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
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> > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work.
> > >
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> > > Bendicion de mis mayores
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> > > Silvana
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> > > OcanTomi?
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> > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font>
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> > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
> > >
> > > Eddie Aguilar
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
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> > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors
> > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > >
> > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > > Manager Northern California Services League
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > com>
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
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> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > what
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> > > > > offering you need to make. ?Or if you have a
> > > > godparent go
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> > > > > Silvana
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> > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
> > > > <aintyebizniz@
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> > > > > Baby, I believe fertility is
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> > > > > controlled by Yemaya, who rules the reproductive
> > > > system, but
> > > >
> > > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I
> > > > have no
> > > >
> > > > > idea
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> > > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
> > > > yahoo.
> > > >
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> > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
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#4149 From: Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@...>
Date: Thu Apr 2, 2009 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: God parents and Derechos
larsenseztravel
Send Email Send Email
 
Alafia,
 
That is very true there is a bad apple in every religion.  No one is perfect, and what we need to do is to make a positive change.  As the younger generation of Santeria we need to focus on making sure that the future is full of wise practioners.
 
One of the best books that I have found in the market is the Camino de Ocha, this book is full of alot of great information. 
 
OmiLaded
--- On Thu, 4/2/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@...> wrote:

From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@...>
Subject: [aleyos-online] God parents and Derechos
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:32 AM


Alafia:

I have been reading everyone emails about godparents and the outrageous amount of money being ask for. For myself, I am bless that I have found a great ile. Yet, prior to coming into the house I did my homework.I bought books, read in the library and even visited the Internet for information. Many people get taken advantage because they lack the knowledge of La Relga de Ocha. In every religion you find crooks. In christian, catholic and even Muslims. You will find people that are their for themselves. You must leave up to our creator to deal with them. No need to throw negative energy out. You can not fight fire with fire. My god parents told me "before you choose to make this your home, go and read". Learn all you can and most of all understand. It is a slower process but a secure one. I pray to my warriors every night. I pray to Olofi and to all the Orishas that made it possible for us to have the religion. I pray to my pass love ones that gave me the
lineage to be here. Food for thought: A wise man learns off others mistakes while a fool learns off his own. The fool is the person that cheats the religion. The wise man is sincere with heart. Even if you feel that you get played, the Orishas know what was in your heart. They will take care of the rest.

Alafia

Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case Manager Northern California Services League

--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Kimi <baby_48046@yahoo. com> wrote:

> From: Kimi <baby_48046@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:19 PM
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> completely agree. I think I was meant to be in the
> "family" since as a child I made my own
> Elegba's from mud and stone and talked to them like they
> were real. Of course the other kids thought I was nuts, but
> oh well. At the time, I had no idea what I was doing, I just
> knew it felt right. And now with being an adult and in my
> continual learning, I've learned this is where I'm
> meant to be. And it does feel like home to me and quite
> comfortable.
>
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> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Silvy <s_frak@yahoo.
> com> wrote:
>
> From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 5:06 PM
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> Please do not judge all the Santera(o)'s in
> the community because of a rotten apple, all religions have
> rotten people.. It is HUMAN KIND and not the
> Religion. 
>  
> Silvana
>  
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> From: Oyawole
> <oyalove9@yahoo. com>
> To:
> aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent:
> Wednesday, April 1, 2009 4:25:42 PM
> Subject:
> [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
>
>
>
> Mai:
>
> OMGGGGG!!! I have heard this over and over and over ...
> things I have seen that Santera/os have done to their
> Godchildren face upp!!!has been unbelieveable .. OMG ..
> people take your time!!! Trash is out there .. waiting to
> suck up your money like a funnel and give you NADA ..
> wowwwww! Horrible.
>
> Ase to you and Luz to the Spirit of your Mommy!
>
> Oyawole
>
> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups.
> com, Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@ ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, the egguns is a very good start and
> resource.  They are there to help us during times of
> need and we often forget about them. 
> >  
> > Before the Orishas there were egguns, so we should try
> to go the them.
> >  
> > I am sorry to hear that you haven't been able to
> find
> godparents.  I
> had my share of bad godparents and in fact my madrina in
> Kari Ocha was a piece of work and it was a very difficult
> battle with me especially since she took my mom to be
> initiated into Ocha for health reasons.
> >  
> > I had such a bad taste in my mouth after all she did
> to misguide us, especially when we needed her most for my
> mom and she misled us all the way and wasn't there to
> support us.  Unfortunately, my mom past away and the
> thing that hurt me the most was that it was told to my mom
> in her Ita that if she was misled she would die, because she
> needed to be religious.  Our madrina at the time, worry
> more about money and never gave my mom her Ita notebook and
> my mom was never able to do the things that were in the
> notebook to save her life.  So, now I strongly
> recommend that when you are searching for godparents,
> especially if its for health reasons to be very very
> selective.
> >  
> > If you notice that
> they aren't there to answer your questions at first,
> walk away.  If you notice that they have mood swings or
> tend to be short, mean, and rude, walk away.  If they
> have a arrogant attitude walk away.  If they want to
> take advantage of your situation, by asking for outrageous
> prices walk away.  A good godparent will be there for
> you in the good times and the bad times.  They will
> guide you in the right path and teach you all that needs to
> be taught.  They will be easily accessible and take
> extra precautions of those that need the extra care for
> health reasons.  Godparents are like an extra pair of
> parents and if they can't be good to their own children
> then they can't be good to you.
> >  
> > Ask you egguns and guardian to guide you the right way
> and pray for guidance at all times.  Don't rush,
> because when you least expect it you will run into the ones
> that are out there just for the money and they do
> nothing but trash and then they want someone else to
> correct their mistakes.
> >  
> > Where are you located?
> >  
> > OmiLaded
> > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Marie S. <mgs_617@... >
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Marie S. <mgs_617@... >
> > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups.
> com
> > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:10 AM
> >
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> > I'm sorry...but I don't have any advice, but I
> sympathize with you...I have been looking for godparents for
> years and it seems like almost every person I meet, either
> seems nice at first or is rude from the beginning. I am all
> alone and I have no where to turn either...my health is
> failing I spent
> the last month bedridden...
> > but I'll pray that you find someone close to you
> that can shed some light on your issues....
> >  
> > one thing that might help if you haven't done it
> already is ask your ancestors. Set an altar with coffee, a
> glass of cool water and anything else that you think that
> they might like...petition them at the same time everyday
> for 7 days.... I have done this for several things in my
> life and it has been somewhat helpful.
> >
> > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo.
> com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:53 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a
> shell reading. Try re-reading that. I said shells were
> thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba
> was never born with shells.
> >
> > Second of all, you should really READ what is being
> said instead of throwing stones, when all one is really
> trying to do is get and gain some sort of guidance and get
> answers to questions regarding situations.
> >
> > This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and
> asked questions in the past. They say many people have no
> idea or understanding about this or that, yet when one asks
> questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have
> individuals like yourself who like to throw
> "stones" instead of trying to be helpful.
> >
> > For those who have responded in kind, thank you very
> much. I am truly looking for guidance and some assistance.
> Please feel free to email me. I don't know much except
> for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really
> all I can go with at this point.
> >
> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com,
> "Oyawole" <oyalove9@ .> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Alafia Eddie:
> > >
> > > She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking
> that she had a reading???? By a priest????
> > >
> > > Oyawole
> > >
> > > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, eddie
> Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered
> this post of yours correctly yet, but SHELLS?  This
> religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in the
> head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua
> with cocos but not my elders, but shells?  They are
> BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have no right
> to be using them, the answers they are giving you are
> nonsense, and you are probably giving Ellegua a big headache
> to boot.  Stop fooling us and yourself.  You are
> DEAD WRONG to be casting shells
> > > >  
> > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > >
> > >
> > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ >
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ >
> > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need
> assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I
> have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since
> then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live
> in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what
> has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been
> lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well.
> When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I
> couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a
> solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm
> not fond
> of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another
> child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just
> can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told
> I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl.
> Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I
> have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja,
> which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in
> return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to
> figure what to do at
> > this
> > > > point and where to go. So I'm here for
> guidance.
> > > >
> > > > And for those who have emailed me personally
> as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for
> all of your help and kindness!!
> > > >
> > > > Many blessings!!
> > > >
> > > > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com,
> evaobadoba@ .. wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > when she can lol
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@
> ...>
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need
> assistance
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> > > > >
> > > > > Luis M. Aroche
> > > > >
> > > > > Day Reporting Center
> > > > >
> > > > > State Parolee Case Manager
> > > > >
> > > > > Northern California Services League
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@
> ...>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need
> assistance
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ache silvy i always work with the
> muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near
> by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or
> yemaya?
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > > > Subject: Re:
> [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The way I was raised in the religion,
> we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and
> it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or
> Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with
> my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can
> resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the
> Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work.
> > > > >
> > > > > ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bendicion de mis mayores
> > > > >
> > > > > ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Silvana
> > > > >
> > > > >
> OcanTomi?
> > > > > ?
> > > > >
> > > > > <font face="system"
> >Silvana< /font>
> > > > >
> > > > > <font face="System"
> ></font>& nbsp;
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@
> yahoo.com>
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14
> PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need
> assistance
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in
> fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a
> reading would reveal what she had to do, whether
> orisha, the dead,
> or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to
> make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in
> these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was
> raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of
> learning the power of merindillogun.
> > > > >
> > > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche
> <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@
> yahoo.com>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need
> assistance
> > > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups.
> com
> > > > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02
> AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the
> one the opens the doors
> > > > > > and is the messager to olodumare,
> orula and all the orishas.
> > > > > > See if you can get a reading from
> a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting
> Center State Parolee Case
> > > > > > Manager Northern California
> Services League
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana
> <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > > > com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Silvana
> <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > > > com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online]
> Need assistance
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > > > yahoogroups. com"
> <aleyos-online@
> > > > > > yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19,
> 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > > > > I would say to consult and
> see what
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Elegua have to say, and ask who you should
> petion and
> > > > > > what
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > offering you need to make.
> ?Or if you have a
> > > > > > godparent go
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > to him/ her for advice. ?
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Silvana
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM,
> eddie Aguilar
> > > > > > <aintyebizniz@
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > Baby, I believe fertility is
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > controlled by Yemaya, who
> rules the reproductive
> > > > > > system, but
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > how big of a bash you have to
> give her to conceive I
> > > > > > have no
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > idea
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09,
> baby_48046 <baby_48046@
> > > > > > yahoo.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: baby_48046
> <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need
> assistance
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > To: aleyos-online@
> yahoogroups. com
> > > > > >
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#4151 From: davidsoul720@...
Date: Thu Apr 2, 2009 1:01 pm
Subject: Re: God parents and Derechos
davidsoul720
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I think it is our solem responsibility at this point to preserve this religion and lore. To not accept shady activity when associated with this practice! To set a bar with in our own lives and ile. To have good character and respect. To learn free of ego. To be patient with aleyos and their circumstabces. To not just take anyone in to this practice but test them and see what their about as a person.
Just my look on things so far.

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile


From: Erik Mai Larsen
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 05:57:50 -0700 (PDT)
To: <aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] God parents and Derechos

Alafia,
 
That is very true there is a bad apple in every religion.  No one is perfect, and what we need to do is to make a positive change.  As the younger generation of Santeria we need to focus on making sure that the future is full of wise practioners.
 
One of the best books that I have found in the market is the Camino de Ocha, this book is full of alot of great information. 
 
OmiLaded
--- On Thu, 4/2/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@yahoo.com>
Subject: [aleyos-online] God parents and Derechos
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:32 AM


Alafia:

I have been reading everyone emails about godparents and the outrageous amount of money being ask for. For myself, I am bless that I have found a great ile. Yet, prior to coming into the house I did my homework.I bought books, read in the library and even visited the Internet for information. Many people get taken advantage because they lack the knowledge of La Relga de Ocha. In every religion you find crooks. In christian, catholic and even Muslims. You will find people that are their for themselves. You must leave up to our creator to deal with them. No need to throw negative energy out. You can not fight fire with fire. My god parents told me "before you choose to make this your home, go and read". Learn all you can and most of all understand. It is a slower process but a secure one. I pray to my warriors every night. I pray to Olofi and to all the Orishas that made it possible for us to have the religion. I pray to my pass love ones that gave me the
lineage to be here. Food for thought: A wise man learns off others mistakes while a fool learns off his own. The fool is the person that cheats the religion. The wise man is sincere with heart. Even if you feel that you get played, the Orishas know what was in your heart. They will take care of the rest.

Alafia

Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case Manager Northern California Services League

--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Kimi <baby_48046@yahoo. com> wrote:

> From: Kimi <baby_48046@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:19 PM
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> completely agree. I think I was meant to be in the
> "family" since as a child I made my own
> Elegba's from mud and stone and talked to them like they
> were real. Of course the other kids thought I was nuts, but
> oh well. At the time, I had no idea what I was doing, I just
> knew it felt right. And now with being an adult and in my
> continual learning, I've learned this is where I'm
> meant to be. And it does feel like home to me and quite
> comfortable.
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> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Silvy <s_frak@yahoo.
> com> wrote:
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> From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 5:06 PM
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> the community because of a rotten apple, all religions have
> rotten people.. It is HUMAN KIND and not the
> Religion. 
>  
> Silvana
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> From: Oyawole
> <oyalove9@yahoo. com>
> To:
> aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent:
> Wednesday, April 1, 2009 4:25:42 PM
> Subject:
> [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
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> Mai:
>
> OMGGGGG!!! I have heard this over and over and over ...
> things I have seen that Santera/os have done to their
> Godchildren face upp!!!has been unbelieveable .. OMG ..
> people take your time!!! Trash is out there .. waiting to
> suck up your money like a funnel and give you NADA ..
> wowwwww! Horrible.
>
> Ase to you and Luz to the Spirit of your Mommy!
>
> Oyawole
>
> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups.
> com, Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@ ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, the egguns is a very good start and
> resource.  They are there to help us during times of
> need and we often forget about them. 
> >  
> > Before the Orishas there were egguns, so we should try
> to go the them.
> >  
> > I am sorry to hear that you haven't been able to
> find
> godparents.  I
> had my share of bad godparents and in fact my madrina in
> Kari Ocha was a piece of work and it was a very difficult
> battle with me especially since she took my mom to be
> initiated into Ocha for health reasons.
> >  
> > I had such a bad taste in my mouth after all she did
> to misguide us, especially when we needed her most for my
> mom and she misled us all the way and wasn't there to
> support us.  Unfortunately, my mom past away and the
> thing that hurt me the most was that it was told to my mom
> in her Ita that if she was misled she would die, because she
> needed to be religious.  Our madrina at the time, worry
> more about money and never gave my mom her Ita notebook and
> my mom was never able to do the things that were in the
> notebook to save her life.  So, now I strongly
> recommend that when you are searching for godparents,
> especially if its for health reasons to be very very
> selective.
> >  
> > If you notice that
> they aren't there to answer your questions at first,
> walk away.  If you notice that they have mood swings or
> tend to be short, mean, and rude, walk away.  If they
> have a arrogant attitude walk away.  If they want to
> take advantage of your situation, by asking for outrageous
> prices walk away.  A good godparent will be there for
> you in the good times and the bad times.  They will
> guide you in the right path and teach you all that needs to
> be taught.  They will be easily accessible and take
> extra precautions of those that need the extra care for
> health reasons.  Godparents are like an extra pair of
> parents and if they can't be good to their own children
> then they can't be good to you.
> >  
> > Ask you egguns and guardian to guide you the right way
> and pray for guidance at all times.  Don't rush,
> because when you least expect it you will run into the ones
> that are out there just for the money and they do
> nothing but trash and then they want someone else to
> correct their mistakes.
> >  
> > Where are you located?
> >  
> > OmiLaded
> > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Marie S. <mgs_617@... >
> wrote:
> >
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> > From: Marie S. <mgs_617@... >
> > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups.
> com
> > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:10 AM
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> > I'm sorry...but I don't have any advice, but I
> sympathize with you...I have been looking for godparents for
> years and it seems like almost every person I meet, either
> seems nice at first or is rude from the beginning. I am all
> alone and I have no where to turn either...my health is
> failing I spent
> the last month bedridden...
> > but I'll pray that you find someone close to you
> that can shed some light on your issues....
> >  
> > one thing that might help if you haven't done it
> already is ask your ancestors. Set an altar with coffee, a
> glass of cool water and anything else that you think that
> they might like...petition them at the same time everyday
> for 7 days.... I have done this for several things in my
> life and it has been somewhat helpful.
> >
> > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo.
> com> wrote:
> >
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> > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
> > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:53 AM
> >
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> >
> >
> > First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a
> shell reading. Try re-reading that. I said shells were
> thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba
> was never born with shells.
> >
> > Second of all, you should really READ what is being
> said instead of throwing stones, when all one is really
> trying to do is get and gain some sort of guidance and get
> answers to questions regarding situations.
> >
> > This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and
> asked questions in the past. They say many people have no
> idea or understanding about this or that, yet when one asks
> questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have
> individuals like yourself who like to throw
> "stones" instead of trying to be helpful.
> >
> > For those who have responded in kind, thank you very
> much. I am truly looking for guidance and some assistance.
> Please feel free to email me. I don't know much except
> for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really
> all I can go with at this point.
> >
> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com,
> "Oyawole" <oyalove9@ .> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Alafia Eddie:
> > >
> > > She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking
> that she had a reading???? By a priest????
> > >
> > > Oyawole
> > >
> > > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, eddie
> Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered
> this post of yours correctly yet, but SHELLS?  This
> religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in the
> head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua
> with cocos but not my elders, but shells?  They are
> BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have no right
> to be using them, the answers they are giving you are
> nonsense, and you are probably giving Ellegua a big headache
> to boot.  Stop fooling us and yourself.  You are
> DEAD WRONG to be casting shells
> > > >  
> > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > >
> > >
> > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ >
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ >
> > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need
> assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I
> have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since
> then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live
> in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what
> has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been
> lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well.
> When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I
> couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a
> solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm
> not fond
> of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another
> child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just
> can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told
> I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl.
> Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I
> have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja,
> which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in
> return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to
> figure what to do at
> > this
> > > > point and where to go. So I'm here for
> guidance.
> > > >
> > > > And for those who have emailed me personally
> as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for
> all of your help and kindness!!
> > > >
> > > > Many blessings!!
> > > >
> > > > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com,
> evaobadoba@ .. wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > when she can lol
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@
> ...>
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need
> assistance
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> > > > > Luis M. Aroche
> > > > >
> > > > > Day Reporting Center
> > > > >
> > > > > State Parolee Case Manager
> > > > >
> > > > > Northern California Services League
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@
> ...>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need
> assistance
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
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> > > > > ache silvy i always work with the
> muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near
> by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or
> yemaya?
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > > > Subject: Re:
> [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > > The way I was raised in the religion,
> we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and
> it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or
> Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with
> my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can
> resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the
> Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work.
> > > > >
> > > > > ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bendicion de mis mayores
> > > > >
> > > > > ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Silvana
> > > > >
> > > > >
> OcanTomi?
> > > > > ?
> > > > >
> > > > > <font face="system"
> >Silvana< /font>
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> > > > >
> > > > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@
> yahoo.com>
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14
> PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need
> assistance
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in
> fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a
> reading would reveal what she had to do, whether
> orisha, the dead,
> or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to
> make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in
> these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was
> raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of
> learning the power of merindillogun.
> > > > >
> > > > > Eddie Aguilar
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche
> <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@
> yahoo.com>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need
> assistance
> > > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups.
> com
> > > > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02
> AM
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> > > > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the
> one the opens the doors
> > > > > > and is the messager to olodumare,
> orula and all the orishas.
> > > > > > See if you can get a reading from
> a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting
> Center State Parolee Case
> > > > > > Manager Northern California
> Services League
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana
> <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > > > com> wrote:
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Silvana
> <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > > > com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online]
> Need assistance
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > > > yahoogroups. com"
> <aleyos-online@
> > > > > > yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19,
> 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > Elegua have to say, and ask who you should
> petion and
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> > > > > > > offering you need to make.
> ?Or if you have a
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> > > > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need
> assistance
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> > > > > > > To: aleyos-online@
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#4152 From: "Oyawole" <oyalove9@...>
Date: Thu Apr 2, 2009 1:26 pm
Subject: Why Are You In the Religion
oyalove9
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Alaafia:

I am coming from a place of my Responsibility to Me!  You have to ask yourself,
as caribbean, African, or other race .. what made you come into an African-Based
Religion?

Some people will answer -- to get Money; to get a boyfriend; to get healed -
some people will be told that they are to be initiated to make sure that they do
not die from an Illness .. but have not a clue who Oshun is .. or Shango for
that matter.  Some people tend to think that it will give them some power from
someplace!

Is this your lineage?  Do you understand exactly why you are in it .. then you
have folks reading books ... and half of the books do not have information at
all -- they are not going to give you exactly why -- etc.

The history, of slavery, do you know the villages that the slaves came from --
do you want to go to Africa to see the base of your religion.  Most Muslims will
always do a return to Mecca .. but, we do not even try to venture to the shores
that the slaves came from.

It did not start in Cuba -- it started in Africa .. if that makes you feel
intensely uncomfortable .. then you have to ask yourself what is it or why you
are in this..

Because:  Shango is not Santa Barbara -- nor is Oshun La Caridad .. if you still
are calling Oshun La Caridad  .. then you are going to be a lil bit lost.

Do you have the "path" to be initiated .. there are many things that I have
learned over the years about my Ancestors -- I am African American -- most of us
that have the path to be initiated come from those slaves that came over here.

It is your responsibility to figure this out .. if you are slapped with a
reading out of no where -- get to the bottom of what you are getting into!


Please figure it out .. I cannot say more.

Oyawole

#4153 From: Sita <sbattle@...>
Date: Thu Apr 2, 2009 1:28 pm
Subject: Re: Why Are You In the Religion
phyra002
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Good post.



On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Oyawole <oyalove9@...> wrote:

Alaafia:

I am coming from a place of my Responsibility to Me! You have to ask yourself, as caribbean, African, or other race .. what made you come into an African-Based Religion?

Some people will answer -- to get Money; to get a boyfriend; to get healed - some people will be told that they are to be initiated to make sure that they do not die from an Illness .. but have not a clue who Oshun is .. or Shango for that matter. Some people tend to think that it will give them some power from someplace!

Is this your lineage? Do you understand exactly why you are in it .. then you have folks reading books ... and half of the books do not have information at all -- they are not going to give you exactly why -- etc.

The history, of slavery, do you know the villages that the slaves came from -- do you want to go to Africa to see the base of your religion. Most Muslims will always do a return to Mecca .. but, we do not even try to venture to the shores that the slaves came from.

It did not start in Cuba -- it started in Africa .. if that makes you feel intensely uncomfortable .. then you have to ask yourself what is it or why you are in this..

Because: Shango is not Santa Barbara -- nor is Oshun La Caridad .. if you still are calling Oshun La Caridad .. then you are going to be a lil bit lost.

Do you have the "path" to be initiated .. there are many things that I have learned over the years about my Ancestors -- I am African American -- most of us that have the path to be initiated come from those slaves that came over here.

It is your responsibility to figure this out .. if you are slapped with a reading out of no where -- get to the bottom of what you are getting into!

Please figure it out .. I cannot say more.

Oyawole




--
"Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible."

– St. Francis of Assisi

#4154 From: Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@...>
Date: Thu Apr 2, 2009 1:34 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Need assistance
larsenseztravel
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Thank you for your condolences and I know in my heart that my mom is in a much better place.  I know in my heart that I did the right thing by getting her initiated prior to departing. 
 
The look on her face when she was initiated was so amazing.  She laughed like she had never laughed before and she looked so beautiful.
 
Don't ever give up on the religion, because it is the most beautiful religion of all.  With time you will find what you are searching for. 
 
Yes, there are people out there making money out of other people's problems, but there alot of people out there with a sincere heart.  The cost of the ceremonies is a issue and unfortunately it is going to be an ongoing issue, because of the cost of materials to initiate.  I wished that there was something that could be done to reduce the cost, however with the cost of animals and fabrics, tools, etc... going up that is difficult. 
 
Some houses will take the person's health and finances into consideration and will work with the person.  I know that in our house, Padrino will work with a person that is in a urgent need of Ocha, but their finances are unstable.  So, we are taking measures to help people more. 
 
Don't ever give up on the religion, because with time you will find what you are looking for just keep having faith and ask your egguns to lead you to the right path.  If you have the guerreros ask Eleggua to open up your paths.
 
I never regret the path I chose to devote my life to Yemaya and the Orishas, because they have given me strength and hope inspite of my loss.  Had I not had Kari Ocha, I would have never been able to resist my mother's loss, but they helped me accept it and deal with it.
 
Keep praying and follow your faith.  Don't let a bad spoiled apple ruin your appetite.
 
OmiLaded
 
 
 
 
--- On Wed, 4/1/09, M. S. <mgs_617@...> wrote:

From: M. S. <mgs_617@...>
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 6:10 PM

I am so sorry to hear aboutissues with this woman...she' ll pay for what she does in this life and the next. And I ma so so sorry to hear about your dear mother...may she rest in peace.
 
I have seen some absolutely horrible behavior from a lot of people in the religion...and it makes me so sad...you hear such wonderful things about the Orishas and this religion and to have people pretend to care when you are in trouble just makes me so mad...And another thing that upsets me is the $$$$ issue. i know it takes money for initiations but some charge exorbatent amounts....and if you tell them you have $$$ issues then you never hear from them again....horrible. If I was a priest or priestess of any kind in any religion I would work with people when it came to $$$. Isn't that how God wants us to be? Wheres the compassion? Sorry to go on but I have to vent.... somethimes I just want to give up on this religion...not because of it...itself. ..but of the horrible people ive met along the way....I just dont know who to trust anymore.

--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Erik & Mai Larsen <larsenseztravel@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 2:43 PM

Yes, the egguns is a very good start and resource.  They are there to help us during times of need and we often forget about them. 
 
Before the Orishas there were egguns, so we should try to go the them.
 
I am sorry to hear that you haven't been able to find godparents.  I had my share of bad godparents and in fact my madrina in Kari Ocha was a piece of work and it was a very difficult battle with me especially since she took my mom to be initiated into Ocha for health reasons.
 
I had such a bad taste in my mouth after all she did to misguide us, especially when we needed her most for my mom and she misled us all the way and wasn't there to support us.  Unfortunately, my mom past away and the thing that hurt me the most was that it was told to my mom in her Ita that if she was misled she would die, because she needed to be religious.  Our madrina at the time, worry more about money and never gave my mom her Ita notebook and my mom was never able to do the things that were in the notebook to save her life.  So, now I strongly recommend that when you are searching for godparents, especially if its for health reasons to be very very selective.
 
If you notice that they aren't there to answer your questions at first, walk away.  If you notice that they have mood swings or tend to be short, mean, and rude, walk away.  If they have a arrogant attitude walk away.  If they want to take advantage of your situation, by asking for outrageous prices walk away.  A good godparent will be there for you in the good times and the bad times.  They will guide you in the right path and teach you all that needs to be taught.  They will be easily accessible and take extra precautions of those that need the extra care for health reasons.  Godparents are like an extra pair of parents and if they can't be good to their own children then they can't be good to you.
 
Ask you egguns and guardian to guide you the right way and pray for guidance at all times.  Don't rush, because when you least expect it you will run into the ones that are out there just for the money and they do nothing but trash and then they want someone else to correct their mistakes.
 
Where are you located?
 
OmiLaded
--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Marie S. <mgs_617@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Marie S. <mgs_617@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:10 AM

I'm sorry...but I don't have any advice, but I sympathize with you...I have been looking for godparents for years and it seems like almost every person I meet, either seems nice at first or is rude from the beginning. I am all alone and I have no where to turn either...my health is failing I spent the last month bedridden...
but I'll pray that you find someone close to you that can shed some light on your issues....
 
one thing that might help if you haven't done it already is ask your ancestors. Set an altar with coffee, a glass of cool water and anything else that you think that they might like...petition them at the same time everyday for 7 days.... I have done this for several things in my life and it has been somewhat helpful.

--- On Wed, 4/1/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@yahoo. com>
Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:53 AM


First off, Eddie, I never said " I " did a shell reading. Try re-reading that. I said shells were thrown. and yes by a priest. My Elegba was never born with shells.

Second of all, you should really READ what is being said instead of throwing stones, when all one is really trying to do is get and gain some sort of guidance and get answers to questions regarding situations.

This is the primary reason I haven't spoken up and asked questions in the past. They say many people have no idea or understanding about this or that, yet when one asks questions and asks for help and/or guidance, we have individuals like yourself who like to throw "stones" instead of trying to be helpful.

For those who have responded in kind, thank you very much. I am truly looking for guidance and some assistance. Please feel free to email me. I don't know much except for what is in my heart, mind, and soul. And that is really all I can go with at this point.

--- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, "Oyawole" <oyalove9@.. .> wrote:
>
> Alafia Eddie:
>
> She said when shells were thrown . .I am thinking that she had a reading???? By a priest????
>
> Oyawole
>
> --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ > wrote:
> >
> > Baby, I do not know if anyone has answered this post of yours correctly yet, but SHELLS?  This religion needs people like you like it needs a hole in the head.  Some houses allow aleyos to divine with Ellegua with cocos but not my elders, but shells?  They are BORN IN BLOOD WITH YOU AND YOUR ORISHAS, you have no right to be using them, the answers they are giving you are nonsense, and you are probably giving Ellegua a big headache to boot.  Stop fooling us and yourself.  You are DEAD WRONG to be casting shells
> >  
> > Eddie Aguilar
> >
> > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@ > wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ >
> > Subject: [aleyos-online] Re: Need assistance
> > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 5:11 PM
> >
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> > Although I'm not initiated as of yet, I have consulted my Elegba and discussed my desires. Since then, he has landed numerous men at my feet. I use to live in Michigan and now reside in Virginia. I have no idea what has happened with my Madrina, the contact seems to have been lost. So I'm now looking for an Ile in Virginia as well. When shells were thrown, nothing was stated that I couldn't have children, but did say I needed to have a solid partner and no triangles. Which is good, b/c I'm not fond of triangles. My dead have mentioned that I have another child coming, they've been saying it for years. I just can't figure out to get her/them here. Once I was told I'm having a girl, then I was told twins boy/girl. Either way, I just wish to be blessed with a child/ren. I have given gifts out the wazoo to both Ochun and Yemaja, which at the time I didn't expect anything at all in return, cause that's not my way. I'm just trying to figure what to do at this
> > point and where to go. So I'm here for guidance.
> >
> > And for those who have emailed me personally as well as replied on here, thank you all so very much for all of your help and kindness!!
> >
> > Many blessings!!
> >
> > --- In aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com, evaobadoba@ .. wrote:
> > >
> > > when she can lol
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ ...>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 2:56 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > Luis M. Aroche
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> > > Day Reporting Center
> > >
> > > State Parolee Case Manager
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> > > Northern California Services League
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> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...> wrote:
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> > > From: evaobadoba@ .. <evaobadoba@ ...>
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:47 AM
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> > > ache silvy i always work with the muertos egun first, then ocha? but if you have no one near by you can go to the ocean or river and talk to ochun or yemaya?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Silvy <s_frak@yahoo. com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:36 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > The way I was raised in the religion, we go to a babalawo if the meridilogun tells?as to do so and it is a situation that cannot be resolved by the Orisha or Muerto.??Actually I usually start everything spiritualy with my muertos because I find that sometimes los muertos can resolve?many issues and it isn't necessary to go to the Orishas right away.? But that is just the way I work.
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> > > Bendicion de mis mayores
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> > > Silvana
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> > > <font face="system" >Silvana< /font>
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> > > From: eddie Aguilar <aintyebizniz@ yahoo.com>
> > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > >
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> > >
> > > When I said Yemaya would be involved in fertility I took for granted that the lady knew that a reading would reveal what she had to do, whether orisha, the dead, or whomever would help, and what ebo or adimus she had to make. I did not mean to sound like a dummy. Personally, in these BIG LIFE SITUATIONS, I recommend a babalawo. But I was raised by babalawos and have not had the pleasure of learning the power of merindillogun.
> > >
> > > Eddie Aguilar
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Luis Aroche <luis_aroche@ yahoo.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:02 AM
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> > > > Silvana is right. Eleggua is the one the opens the doors
> > > > and is the messager to olodumare, orula and all the orishas.
> > > > See if you can get a reading from a Oba or a Babalaow.
> > > >
> > > > Luis M. Aroche Day Reporting Center State Parolee Case
> > > > Manager Northern California Services League
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
> > > > com> wrote:
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> > > > > From: Silvana <s_frak@yahoo.
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> > > > > Subject: Re: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
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> > > > > To: "aleyos-online@
> > > > yahoogroups. com" <aleyos-online@
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> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:41 PM
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> > > > > I would say to consult and see what
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> > > > > Elegua have to say, and ask who you should petion and
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> > > > > offering you need to make. ?Or if you have a
> > > > godparent go
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> > > > > to him/ her for advice. ?
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> > > > > Silvana
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> > > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:16 PM, eddie Aguilar
> > > > <aintyebizniz@
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> > > > > yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > Baby, I believe fertility is
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> > > > > controlled by Yemaya, who rules the reproductive
> > > > system, but
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> > > > > how big of a bash you have to give her to conceive I
> > > > have no
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> > > > > idea
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> > > > > Eddie Aguilar
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> > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, baby_48046 <baby_48046@
> > > > yahoo.
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> > > > > com> wrote:
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> > > > > From: baby_48046 <baby_48046@ yahoo. com>
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> > > > > Subject: [aleyos-online] Need assistance
> > > >
> > > > > To: aleyos-online@ yahoogroups. com
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> > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
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> > > > > Alafia,
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> > > > > I have been trying to have another child for a long
> > > > long
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> > > > > time. I am at a point where I can no longer afford
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > > > medical bills to for fertility help anymore. Is there
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> > > > > someone who has ideas, information, spells that can
> > > > help me
> > > >
> > > > > with getting preg? I'd appreciate any help!
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> > > > > Many thanks!
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