On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, ironywaves wrote:

> Also, I wonder, like Sam does, who owns the rights to the golden age
> DD? Maybe Marvel does but they ain't telling?

I believe that Bill Black's AC Comics owns the rights to the character,
although they call him 'Reddevil' to avoid conflicts with Marvel's
lawyers.

_______________________________________________________________________________
"She always had a terrific sense of humor"                       Mikel Midnight
(Valerie Solonas, as described by her mother)
blaklion@...
___________________________________________________http://blaklion.best.vwh.net

--- In MAINLINES@y..., "jmain44" <jmain44@y...> wrote:
---I always wanted to know how Matt Murdock constructed that device
as well, with his being blind and all.  Did his radar sense
overcompensate for that? I wonder if superheroes actually have a
company or inventor/tinker they go to to make up their devices for
them.  I doubt that Batman REALLY built all his devices and vehicles.
Makes youn wonder, eh?
Also, I wonder, like Sam does, who owns the rights to the golden age
DD? Maybe Marvel does but they ain't telling?

JIM

  In MAINLINES@y..., sam gafford <lordshazam@y...> wrote:
> i never heard that theory about the original DD being
> the father of the SA one but it makes some sort of
> sense, i suppose, not that Marvel would ever credit
> that as i'm sure they'd have to pay someone something
> along the line..... who does actually own the rights
> to the original GA DD???
>
> one of the best articles in the recent CBG was about
> DD's equipment which begs the question as to not only
> how did a supposedly blind man (with, so far as i can
> tell) no engineering or electrical experience, design
> and build that darn billy club??  and, if he did, why
> the heck didn't he patent a few inventions like this,
> make lots of money, and then set himself up in a nice
> law practice taking on pro bono cases??
>
> sam!
>
> --- jmain44 <jmain44@y...> wrote:
> > --- I actually had a few issues of the original DD
> > back in the 70's
> > when I was going to the Phil Seuling cons in
> > NYC(those were still the
> > best comic cons in my mind!)Back then you could
> > afford to buy comics
> > and original comic art. I had a good paying job, a
> > great affordable
> > apaprtment and was SINGLE!!! I actually liked both
> > DD's...the Marvel
> > one I enjoyed up till the time Gene Colan left...and
> > the Rrank Miller
> > run was great too..I really loved the issues that
> > wally Wood was
> > involved in...fine art and story and some of the
> > craziest villains!
> > I'm sure once Sam Gafford chimes in he'll have a few
> > things to
> > expound on!
> > Jim
> >
> >  In MAINLINES@y..., "ironywaves" <opbop1@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Re: Daredevil Group.
> > > Hard to say just how pleased I was to run across
> > this group in a
> > > search engine last evening, although I was too
> > exhusted to make a
> > > really decent posting. I filled the down time
> > forwarding the bits
> > and
> > > pieces of info that was collected a couple of
> > weeks ago across
> > > several message boards, some of it so-so, but I
> > envision this site
> > as
> > > encompasing All Things Daredevil, a superhero who
> > somehow sadly
> > fell
> > > through the cracks, thanks in great measure to
> > Marvel appropriating
> > > the name and taking it off in a completely
> > different direction. But
> > > the Marvel Daredevil is a sort of jazzed up homage
> > to the original,
> > > and a damn fine creation in his own right. I read
> > the case made in
> > > some obscure fanzine in the early 70s that
> > Daredevil, the Marvel
> > one,
> > > was the secret son of the Lev Gleason one. Quite a
> > stretch, to be
> > > sure, but let's look it over: DD's dad was a
> > washed up boxer... if
> > > memory serves, my old copies of the Marvel series
> > was sadly
> > > sqaundered to some high school swindler who preyed
> > on my need for
> > > cash and lack of interest in hard work, but the
> > basics were his dad
> > > was a Jack Palance kinda early sixties gone to
> > seed stand up kinda
> > > guy. He forbid his kid Matt Murdock, to fight,
> > probably still in
> > > angst over the Little Wise Guy who died. (I forget
> > his name) It's a
> > > well known fact that Daredevil gave up his own
> > book at some point
> > to
> > > the Little Wise Guys, probably, just as Matt
> > Murdock's father, sick
> > > of the violence of the superhero/boxing life. Then
> > there's (for the
> > > sake of clairity let's call the Marvel one
> > daredevil Junior, okay?)
> > > Daredevil Junior's early costume, sort of a blind
> > man's idea of the
> > > original, two colors, kinda sorta split down the
> > middle, kinda
> > sorta
> > > not, red and yellow (yellow of course being blue
> > inverted) and all
> > > that. There's more (I THINK I may still have one
> > copy of this old
> > > early Marvel Daredevil Jr. because it was so
> > ragged and coverless
> > not
> > > collector wanted to steal it from me... the one
> > where he met the
> > > Purple Man!) clues, and theres that magic canister
> > (radioactivity
> > was
> > > a magic talisman to Stan Lee apparently, what
> > would give real world
> > > people cancer, in Marvel Time made them super) but
> > I need some
> > copies
> > > before me... so, later.
> > > --- End forwarded message ---
> > > --- End forwarded message ---
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--- In MAINLINES@y..., sam gafford <lordshazam@y...> wrote:
i never heard that theory about the original DD being
the father of the SA one but it makes some sort of
sense, i suppose, not that Marvel would ever credit
that as i'm sure they'd have to pay someone something
along the line..... who does actually own the rights
to the original GA DD???

one of the best articles in the recent CBG was about
DD's equipment which begs the question as to not only
how did a supposedly blind man (with, so far as i can
tell) no engineering or electrical experience, design
and build that darn billy club??  and, if he did, why
the heck didn't he patent a few inventions like this,
make lots of money, and then set himself up in a nice
law practice taking on pro bono cases??

sam!

--- jmain44 <jmain44@y...> wrote:
> --- I actually had a few issues of the original DD
> back in the 70's
> when I was going to the Phil Seuling cons in
> NYC(those were still the
> best comic cons in my mind!)Back then you could
> afford to buy comics
> and original comic art. I had a good paying job, a
> great affordable
> apaprtment and was SINGLE!!! I actually liked both
> DD's...the Marvel
> one I enjoyed up till the time Gene Colan left...and
> the Rrank Miller
> run was great too..I really loved the issues that
> wally Wood was
> involved in...fine art and story and some of the
> craziest villains!
> I'm sure once Sam Gafford chimes in he'll have a few
> things to
> expound on!
> Jim
>
>  In MAINLINES@y..., "ironywaves" <opbop1@y...>
> wrote:
> > Re: Daredevil Group.
> > Hard to say just how pleased I was to run across
> this group in a
> > search engine last evening, although I was too
> exhusted to make a
> > really decent posting. I filled the down time
> forwarding the bits
> and
> > pieces of info that was collected a couple of
> weeks ago across
> > several message boards, some of it so-so, but I
> envision this site
> as
> > encompasing All Things Daredevil, a superhero who
> somehow sadly
> fell
> > through the cracks, thanks in great measure to
> Marvel appropriating
> > the name and taking it off in a completely
> different direction. But
> > the Marvel Daredevil is a sort of jazzed up homage
> to the original,
> > and a damn fine creation in his own right. I read
> the case made in
> > some obscure fanzine in the early 70s that
> Daredevil, the Marvel
> one,
> > was the secret son of the Lev Gleason one. Quite a
> stretch, to be
> > sure, but let's look it over: DD's dad was a
> washed up boxer... if
> > memory serves, my old copies of the Marvel series
> was sadly
> > sqaundered to some high school swindler who preyed
> on my need for
> > cash and lack of interest in hard work, but the
> basics were his dad
> > was a Jack Palance kinda early sixties gone to
> seed stand up kinda
> > guy. He forbid his kid Matt Murdock, to fight,
> probably still in
> > angst over the Little Wise Guy who died. (I forget
> his name) It's a
> > well known fact that Daredevil gave up his own
> book at some point
> to
> > the Little Wise Guys, probably, just as Matt
> Murdock's father, sick
> > of the violence of the superhero/boxing life. Then
> there's (for the
> > sake of clairity let's call the Marvel one
> daredevil Junior, okay?)
> > Daredevil Junior's early costume, sort of a blind
> man's idea of the
> > original, two colors, kinda sorta split down the
> middle, kinda
> sorta
> > not, red and yellow (yellow of course being blue
> inverted) and all
> > that. There's more (I THINK I may still have one
> copy of this old
> > early Marvel Daredevil Jr. because it was so
> ragged and coverless
> not
> > collector wanted to steal it from me... the one
> where he met the
> > Purple Man!) clues, and theres that magic canister
> (radioactivity
> was
> > a magic talisman to Stan Lee apparently, what
> would give real world
> > people cancer, in Marvel Time made them super) but
> I need some
> copies
> > before me... so, later.
> > --- End forwarded message ---
> > --- End forwarded message ---
>
>
>


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It was a gloomy night in downtown Shadowville--
Cut to streamline diner in the waterfront district---
Overhead camera shot through the skylight of diner---
At the counter sits rumpled 70ish man (think Jack Palance)---
(through the diner windows is flooding of Eisner jellylike rain)
On the counter by the old man's cigs & coffee... is a boomerang
suddenly...

(this is a round robin, everyone is invited to write a scene, pass it
on JAMSTYLE... have at it, gents!)

--- In alevgleasonpublication@y..., Michael Norwitz <blaklion@b...>
wrote:
> Hey Will,
>
> Heh, I had always wished Marvel had bought up Lev Gleason!  I've
always
> held there were four *consistent* publishers of good material in
the 40's:
> National/All-American, Quality, Fawcett, and Lev Gleason.  Since DC
bought
> out Quality and Fawcett, it would only be fair for Marvel to buy up
the
> last one ... and we could then see Essentials style reprints of the
> character under his original name.
>
> On the other hand, I shudder to think what Roy Thomas would have
done with
> the character in INVADERS.
>
>
______________________________________________________________________
_________
> "She always had a terrific sense of humor"
Mikel Midnight
> (Valerie Solonas, as described by her mother)
> blaklion@b...
>
___________________________________________________http://blaklion.bes
t.vwh.net

Hey Will,

Heh, I had always wished Marvel had bought up Lev Gleason!  I've always
held there were four *consistent* publishers of good material in the 40's:
National/All-American, Quality, Fawcett, and Lev Gleason.  Since DC bought
out Quality and Fawcett, it would only be fair for Marvel to buy up the
last one ... and we could then see Essentials style reprints of the
character under his original name.

On the other hand, I shudder to think what Roy Thomas would have done with
the character in INVADERS.

_______________________________________________________________________________
"She always had a terrific sense of humor"                       Mikel Midnight
(Valerie Solonas, as described by her mother)
blaklion@...
___________________________________________________http://blaklion.best.vwh.net

--- In MAINLINES@y..., "jmain44" <jmain44@y...> wrote:
--- I actually had a few issues of the original DD back in the 70's
when I was going to the Phil Seuling cons in NYC(those were still the
best comic cons in my mind!)Back then you could afford to buy comics
and original comic art. I had a good paying job, a great affordable
apaprtment and was SINGLE!!! I actually liked both DD's...the Marvel
one I enjoyed up till the time Gene Colan left...and the Rrank Miller
run was great too..I really loved the issues that wally Wood was
involved in...fine art and story and some of the craziest villains!
I'm sure once Sam Gafford chimes in he'll have a few things to
expound on!
Jim

  In MAINLINES@y..., "ironywaves" <opbop1@y...> wrote:
> Re: Daredevil Group.
> Hard to say just how pleased I was to run across this group in a
> search engine last evening, although I was too exhusted to make a
> really decent posting. I filled the down time forwarding the bits
and
> pieces of info that was collected a couple of weeks ago across
> several message boards, some of it so-so, but I envision this site
as
> encompasing All Things Daredevil, a superhero who somehow sadly
fell
> through the cracks, thanks in great measure to Marvel appropriating
> the name and taking it off in a completely different direction. But
> the Marvel Daredevil is a sort of jazzed up homage to the original,
> and a damn fine creation in his own right. I read the case made in
> some obscure fanzine in the early 70s that Daredevil, the Marvel
one,
> was the secret son of the Lev Gleason one. Quite a stretch, to be
> sure, but let's look it over: DD's dad was a washed up boxer... if
> memory serves, my old copies of the Marvel series was sadly
> sqaundered to some high school swindler who preyed on my need for
> cash and lack of interest in hard work, but the basics were his dad
> was a Jack Palance kinda early sixties gone to seed stand up kinda
> guy. He forbid his kid Matt Murdock, to fight, probably still in
> angst over the Little Wise Guy who died. (I forget his name) It's a
> well known fact that Daredevil gave up his own book at some point
to
> the Little Wise Guys, probably, just as Matt Murdock's father, sick
> of the violence of the superhero/boxing life. Then there's (for the
> sake of clairity let's call the Marvel one daredevil Junior, okay?)
> Daredevil Junior's early costume, sort of a blind man's idea of the
> original, two colors, kinda sorta split down the middle, kinda
sorta
> not, red and yellow (yellow of course being blue inverted) and all
> that. There's more (I THINK I may still have one copy of this old
> early Marvel Daredevil Jr. because it was so ragged and coverless
not
> collector wanted to steal it from me... the one where he met the
> Purple Man!) clues, and theres that magic canister (radioactivity
was
> a magic talisman to Stan Lee apparently, what would give real world
> people cancer, in Marvel Time made them super) but I need some
copies
> before me... so, later.
> --- End forwarded message ---
> --- End forwarded message ---
--- End forwarded message ---

Hard to say just how pleased I was to run across this group in a
search engine last evening, although I was too exhusted to make a
really decent posting. I filled the down time forwarding the bits and
pieces of info that was collected a couple of weeks ago across
several message boards, some of it so-so, but I envision this site as
encompasing All Things Daredevil, a superhero who somehow sadly fell
through the cracks, thanks in great measure to Marvel appropriating
the name and taking it off in a completely different direction. But
the Marvel Daredevil is a sort of jazzed up homage to the original,
and a damn fine creation in his own right. I read the case made in
some obscure fanzine in the early 70s that Daredevil, the Marvel one,
was the secret son of the Lev Gleason one. Quite a stretch, to be
sure, but let's look it over: DD's dad was a washed up boxer... if
memory serves, my old copies of the Marvel series was sadly
sqaundered to some high school swindler who preyed on my need for
cash and lack of interest in hard work, but the basics were his dad
was a Jack Palance kinda early sixties gone to seed stand up kinda
guy. He forbid his kid Matt Murdock, to fight, probably still in
angst over the Little Wise Guy who died. (I forget his name) It's a
well known fact that Daredevil gave up his own book at some point to
the Little Wise Guys, probably, just as Matt Murdock's father, sick
of the violence of the superhero/boxing life. Then there's (for the
sake of clairity let's call the Marvel one daredevil Junior, okay?)
Daredevil Junior's early costume, sort of a blind man's idea of the
original, two colors, kinda sorta split down the middle, kinda sorta
not, red and yellow (yellow of course being blue inverted) and all
that. There's more (I THINK I may still have one copy of this old
early Marvel Daredevil Jr. because it was so ragged and coverless not
collector wanted to steal it from me... the one where he met the
Purple Man!) clues, and theres that magic canister (radioactivity was
a magic talisman to Stan Lee apparently, what would give real world
people cancer, in Marvel Time made them super) but I need some copies
before me... so, later.

--- In obscurityunlimited@y..., "Frank D'Urso" <fdurso@a...> wrote:
Y'all,

howsabout daredevil battles hitler?  yeahhhh boooy, he made hitla his
bitch
mofo!

That worcester thing was over the top, but hey, things work out.....

today i took a pamphelet from a palestinian supporter in harvard
square....i
didn't sign the petition though.....but ya gotta have the free speech
man!

Has anyone here read PALESTINE by joe sacco(?)

maybe i'll pick it up....yeah, make it a summer reading project....

also....gearing up for printing...may scale back to 64 BIG pages from
80.....

Frank "deeeee" D'Urso
--- End forwarded message ---

--- In blueplaquepublications@y..., sam gafford <lordshazam@y...>
wrote:
I remember the old DD as well but never read any of
the actual stories... my recollections come primarily
from comic history books like Sterankos and Jules
Pfeiffer (sp?).... the old DD was, of course, famous
for the appearance of the Yellow Claw as a villian but
also being one of, if not the first, to feature an
actual death of a supporting character.... that being
Meatball from the Little Wise Guys (who would go on
and take over the title eventually).... I think
Meatball died of pneumonia rather than through the
mechanations of the villain...........

just picked up a pristine copy of steranko's history,
vol. 2, first printing for $5!

sam!

--- jmain44 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> --- Yeah, the old DD was pretty cool looking and had
> a boomerang I
> think. He had that split costume too, didn't he?
> Half one color and
> half another? But he also had that damn kid gang
> following him
> arounf..The Little Wise Guys or something? Kid
> sidekicks were the
> thing back then!
>
> JIm
> In blueplaquepublications@y..., "willdockery"
> <opbop1@y...> wrote:
> > Is Skeet or the Grim One out there? It has come to
> my attention
> that
> > these youngsters have never heard of the original
> golden age
> > Daredevil! Whatta cryin' shame! I'm thinking one
> of you two guys
> > could perhaps help me enlighten these poor kids,
> besides, thinking
> > about him has got ME all fired up on him all over
> again! It was
> such
> > a dynamite series! Does anyone still have a copy
> of Steranko's
> > history of comix v.2? That's who first turned me
> on to ole DD...
> what
> > a great book that is/was... I lost mine during a
> hurried move
> during
> > a rather brutal divorce a few years back...
> sigh... I'd rather have
> > the Steranko book... now I have niether!
> > --- End forwarded message ---
>
>


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jmain44 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
--- Yeah, the old DD was pretty cool looking and had a boomerang I
think. He had that split costume too, didn't he? Half one color and
half another? But he also had that damn kid gang following him
arounf..The Little Wise Guys or something? Kid sidekicks were the
thing back then!

JIm
In blueplaquepublications@y..., "willdockery" <opbop1@y...> wrote:
> Is Skeet or the Grim One out there? It has come to my attention
that
> these youngsters have never heard of the original golden age
> Daredevil! Whatta cryin' shame! I'm thinking one of you two guys
> could perhaps help me enlighten these poor kids, besides, thinking
> about him has got ME all fired up on him all over again! It was
such
> a dynamite series! Does anyone still have a copy of Steranko's
> history of comix v.2? That's who first turned me on to ole DD...
what
> a great book that is/was... I lost mine during a hurried move
during
> a rather brutal divorce a few years back... sigh... I'd rather have
> the Steranko book... now I have niether!
> --- End forwarded message ---
--- End forwarded message ---

Is Skeet or the Grim One out there? It has come to my attention that
these youngsters have never heard of the original golden age
Daredevil! Whatta cryin' shame! I'm thinking one of you two guys
could perhaps help me enlighten these poor kids, besides, thinking
about him has got ME all fired up on him all over again! It was such
a dynamite series! Does anyone still have a copy of Steranko's
history of comix v.2? That's who first turned me on to ole DD... what
a great book that is/was... I lost mine during a hurried move during
a rather brutal divorce a few years back... sigh... I'd rather have
the Steranko book... now I have niether!
--- End forwarded message ---

I think that I made it to your website while I was combing for
Daredevil stuff a few weeks ago! I think I'll go there and see, if
so, I probably passed the link on in some of the things I'm posting
here...

thhp://www.angelfire.com/al2/willdockerypoems/index.html

http://www.socalcomics.com/daredevil3.jpg
--- End forwarded message ---
--- End forwarded message ---

Hello Daredevil Group

Hi,
I thought you might be interested in this post:

http://www.dimestoreproductions.com/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=311

You received this e-mail from: Will opbop1@...

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, willdockery wrote:

> The internet is a marvelous thing... talk of the new DD film brought
> back thoughts of the original Daredevil a few weeks back, and I
> started searching the net at times for stuff on Daredevil, which seems
> fairly rare! So you can imagine I was pretty happy to find it
> especially since many younger friends of mine thought I was crazy!
> I'm going to take the time to forward here the several postings I made
> over the last few weeks, so the DD stuff'll all be in oone spot... and
> hope to bring more people into your group! By the way, can some of you
> come to this site, and prove that there was such a thing as an
> original Daredevil?

Welcome to our little group, Will.  Direct your friends to my website at
http://www.angelfire.com/mn/blaklion/ and they'll find what they need to
know about Daredevil and the publishers.

_______________________________________________________________________________
"She always had a terrific sense of humor"                       Mikel Midnight
(Valerie Solonas, as described by her mother)
blaklion@...
___________________________________________________http://blaklion.best.vwh.net

The internet is a marvelous thing... talk of the new DD film brought
back thoughts of the original Daredevil a few weeks back, and I
started searching the net at times for stuff on Daredevil, which
seems fairly rare! So you can imagine I was pretty happy to find it
especially since many younger friends of mine thought I was crazy!
I'm going to take the time to forward here the several postings I
made over the last few weeks, so the DD stuff'll all be in oone
spot... and hope to bring more people into your group! By the way,
can some of you come to this site, and prove that there was such a
thing as an original Daredevil?

http://www.dimestoreproductions.com/forum

HI, who else on the list is going to San Diego? I posted on several
golden age lists, and should be a few of us older collectors going.
(by older i mean older comics, not age!) Keep in touch. Thanks, Ron

I hope to get some more action here soon. Now that I've
started "Crimebusters" on my site featuring CB and DD, I think some
Lev Gleason interest will spring up. I hope so anyway...

-Steve

Here we are, and I really like the size of the Front Page
image.  It's easier to see...

Here's hoping for some interesting discussions....

Cheers,

Mark

I"m currently reading a book by Bradford W.
Wright called Comic Book Nation. Alot of good info on
comics and their place in American society. Alot of
great info on the Lev Gleason Books too. I reccomend
it.

That was indeed a great story. I love anything where they throw in inside jokes
like that!<br><br>-Steve

No, I'm not at the wrong club. Believe it or not,
this is a Lev Gleason-related posting. The other day
Bill Nolan's second Target and the Targeteers CD-Rom
arrived and, like all Bill's efforts it is
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br><br>So what's the Lev Gleason connection?
Just that the
first story, "The Cartoon Crimes" from 1941, is drawn
by Bob Wood, long time artist and editor at Lev
Gleason. If this story is indicative of his usual work, I
would say that Wood had a cartoony but competent
drawing style that was quite suitable for the slam-bang,
action-filled comics of the early 1940s. What is more, two
prominent characters in this particular tale were named
"Inky" Roussos (a cartoonist) and "Blackie" Biro (a
gangster).<br><br>This wasn't the only time Charles Biro's name cropped
up in a story. I remember seeing a backup feature in
an old issue of Silver Streak or Daredevil Comics in
which "Fatty Biro" was an attraction at a carnival
freak show. I also recall a Norman Maurer-drawn
Crimebuster story wherein CB stops for directions as a gas
station owned by the "Kubert Oil Company" (Joe Kubert and
Norman Maurer were good buddies and partners for a
while).<br><br>Anyway, I enjoyed the heck out of "The Cartoon Crimes,"
and the other stories I've read so far have really
been great as well. I heartily recommend this
CD.<br><br>Mark P.

True Eisner experimented with the art but the
experiments were always in the service of telling the
story(something many modern comics tend to lose sight of).<br>EC,
Eisner, and Biro all played down superheroics in favor of
telling strong stories that the readers could identify
with which is something that newer comics need more
of.

mrnatfred, it's interesting that you bring up
Eisner and EC in connection with the Lev Gleason books
of the 1940s and early 1950s. Circa 1971 I sent away
for a subscription to the second incarnation of Roy
Thomas's Alter Ego fanzine--of which, to this day, I only
received one issue. But in that issue was an interview
with Gil Kane in which he talked about all three of
the above, and made direct comparisons between
Eisner's Spirit and Charles Biro's work. <br><br>That copy
of Alter Ego and I parted many, many years ago, so
I'm working on memory here. But I recall that Kane
said something about how Biro put out three "lousy"
books (Daredevil, Boy, and Crime Does Not Pay) which
outsold everything else during Lev Gleason's heyday. He
also talked about how Eisner and Biro worked "opposite
sides of the street" in regard to the comic strip
medium. I can't remember exactly what he said, but I
think it was something along the lines that Eisner was
focused on "art" whereas Biro was more interested in
story-telling. <br><br>Eisner, of course, told stories through
his comics (and some darned good ones too) but he was
always experimenting with new layouts and offbeat ideas
in an attempt to elicit an emotional reaction from
his readers, just as a painter tries to elicit
emotional reactions from the viewers of his
paintings.<br><br>Biro, on the other hand, had stories to tell about
people and life as he knew it, and to tell those stories
he treated the comic book page like a motion picture
screen. There are seldom any captions. The stories are
told entirely through pictures and dialog. The reader
has to be paying attention to notice changes in time
or location because there are no handy captions that
say "The next day.." or "Meanwhile, in another part
of town..." You have to figure those things out for
yourself if you wanted to understand the story.
<br><br>And boy did those stories sucker you in. You couldn't
always figure out the plot by flipping through the book
and scanning a few pictures--the way you can with so
many other comics--you actually had to READ the thing.
And apparently many yound people during the 1940's
and early 1950's thought that Charles Biro's books
were worth reading.<br><br>Mark P.

MMany years ago I waas trading comics with a
local barber when I aquired a couple of issues of
DareDevil featuring the Little Wise Guys. Eveen at he age
of 12 I was impressed by the high quality of the
stories and art in those two books.<br>Shortly after that
I came across CB and the Crime Booksand Black
Diamond.<br> For some reason the ccooks on comic history
rarely nmentiooooned the group allthough they published
material that often came close to what was in EC or
Eisner's work. I llike to think that the Gleason stories
took place in the same universe as the Sppirit and EC
except of course the Gleason group told what went on
during the day as opposed to the darkness of the other
two.

It's about time someone paid tribute to the great Lev Gleason comics.  Gleason
published some of the best comics I've ever read yet they have yet to be given
their due.

I'm afraid that I had nothing to do with any
previous Lev Gleason Club. In fact, this is the only one
I've known to exist. It would be bigger, but a lot has
happened since I created it, and haven't had a chance to
promote it, or post anything. That will change
now.<br><br>-Steve

I saw the previous version of this site and loved it.  The comics were terrific.
Where are the comics?

We're just starting off here so things are a
little bare-bones for the time being. Soon I hope to
post some covers and stories including the original
Daredevil origin from Silver Streak #6 and a couple of
Daredevil vs. the Claw stories! Stick around and have some
good clean fun!<br><br>-Steve

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