would the moderator mathew please e  mail me at ollaimh@...
thanks

I am trying to find out where an accurate jpg of the clan badge for
Clan MacGruder to use for promotion. I did find this site:
http://www.tartanclancrest.com/free-macgruder-clan-badge.html
     How do I know if it's correct? Any guidance is sincerely
appreciated.  My sincere thanks for your time.  Have a wonderful holiday
season!
Sincerely,

Diana Cosby, International Best-Selling Author
www.dianacosby.com <http://www.dianacosby.com/>
His Captive-Alexander MacGruder/ His Woman-Duncan MacGruder/ His
Conquest-Seathan MacGruder
His Destiny - Oct 2011


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My setting of my current novel is Scotland, September 1297.  My hero, a
baron, is speaking with Andrew de Moray.  Andrew had not acquired his
father's title.  How would my hero, a noble, address Andrew de Moray?
Any insight is greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,

Diana Cosby, International Best-Selling Author
www.dianacosby.com <http://www.dianacosby.com/>
His Captive-Alexander MacGruder/ His Woman-Duncan MacGruder/ His
Conquest-Seathan MacGruder
His Destiny - Oct 2011


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Well, the web site you linked to claimed that the crest and tartan shown are
for Clan MacGregor, which is the clan the MacGruder family is associated
with.  But what they show is actually the tartan and crest for the Drummond
clan.  So no, that is not accurate.

You can see the actual MacGregor clan crest here:
http://clangregor.org/

Matthew A. C. Newsome, FSA Scot, GTS
Director of the Scottish Tartans Museum
Governor of the Scottish Tartans Authority
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On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Diana Cosby <diana@...> wrote:

>
>
> I am trying to find out where an accurate jpg of the clan badge for
> Clan MacGruder to use for promotion. I did find this site:
> http://www.tartanclancrest.com/free-macgruder-clan-badge.html
> How do I know if it's correct? Any guidance is sincerely
> appreciated. My sincere thanks for your time. Have a wonderful holiday
> season!
> Sincerely,
>
> Diana Cosby, International Best-Selling Author
> www.dianacosby.com <http://www.dianacosby.com/>
> His Captive-Alexander MacGruder/ His Woman-Duncan MacGruder/ His
> Conquest-Seathan MacGruder
> His Destiny - Oct 2011
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Matthew A. C. Newsome wrote:

>Well, the web site you linked to claimed that the crest and tartan shown are
>for Clan MacGregor, which is the clan the MacGruder family is associated
>with.  But what they show is actually the tartan and crest for the Drummond
>clan.  So no, that is not accurate.
>
>
~Thank you very much for your time.

>You can see the actual MacGregor clan crest here:
>http://clangregor.org/
>
>
~I see the MacGruder name listed beneath MacGregor, so I can use the
MacGregor clan badge/tartan for the MacGruders as well?  My sincere
thanks for everything, and I hope you have a fabulous holiday season!
Cheers!

Diana Cosby, International Best-Selling Author
www.dianacosby.com <http://www.dianacosby.com/>
His Captive-Alexander MacGruder/ His Woman-Duncan MacGruder/ His
Conquest-Seathan MacGruder
His Destiny - Oct 2011


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At least by the 15th century, the courtesy title for the heir of a Baron is
'Master'. Master is a good all purpose courtesy title for just about anything
anyway. The general way it was used to indicate the heir is Master of [main
lands to be inherited] which in the case of the Moray family was I think Petty,
so Andrew de Moray might be known as the Master of Petty. You might check the
Scots genealogies though to see if the younger Andrew was invested with any of
the properties before his father's death, he might have been for such things as
a wedding present, etc. The Morays had a lot of property and he might have been
Lord of such and such in his own right because of property that had been given
to him in his father's lifetime, therefore he would be more properly known as
Lord Andrew of whatever.....
 
N.B. Probably doesn't matter as regards your novel, but Moray is more generally
pronounced more like 'Murray' is today...
 
Hope that helps....
 
Julie Stackable/Margaret Hepburn

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My setting of my current novel is Scotland, September 1297. My hero, a
baron, is speaking with Andrew de Moray. Andrew had not acquired his
father's title. How would my hero, a noble, address Andrew de Moray?
Any insight is greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,

Diana Cosby, International Best-Selling Author
www.dianacosby. com <http://www.dianacos by.com/>
His Captive-Alexander MacGruder/ His Woman-Duncan MacGruder/ His
Conquest-Seathan MacGruder
His Destiny - Oct 2011

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Julie Stackable wrote:

>At least by the 15th century, the courtesy title for the heir of a Baron is
'Master'. Master is a good all purpose courtesy title for just about anything
anyway. The general way it was used to indicate the heir is Master of [main
lands to be inherited] which in the case of the Moray family was I think Petty,
so Andrew de Moray might be known as the Master of Petty. You might check the
Scots genealogies though to see if the younger Andrew was invested with any of
the properties before his father's death, he might have been for such things as
a wedding present, etc. The Morays had a lot of property and he might have been
Lord of such and such in his own right because of property that had been given
to him in his father's lifetime, therefore he would be more properly known as
Lord Andrew of whatever.....
>
>
~Thank you so much for explaining, Julie.  I'm siding with you that Lord
Andrew is proper for my story.  Thanks a ton.  Hope your holidays are
fabulous!  :)

Diana Cosby, International Best-Selling Author
www.dianacosby.com <http://www.dianacosby.com/>
His Captive-Alexander MacGruder/ His Woman-Duncan MacGruder/ His
Conquest-Seathan MacGruder
His Destiny - Oct 2011


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I am describing Andrew de Moray's shield.  Am I correct in saying,
"a swath of  deep blue complimented with a St. Andrew's Cross Argent and
three mullets Argent."  ???  My sincere thanks for your time.

Diana Cosby, International Best-Selling Author
www.dianacosby.com <http://www.dianacosby.com/>
His Captive-Alexander MacGruder/ His Woman-Duncan MacGruder/ His
Conquest-Seathan MacGruder
His Destiny - Oct 2011


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>    I am describing Andrew de Moray's shield.  Am I correct in
> saying,
> "a swath of  deep blue complimented with a St. Andrew's Cross Argent
> and
> three mullets Argent."  ???  My sincere thanks for your time.
>
  How are you truing to describe it?  Using lay-terms or heraldic
blazon?

JPratt.

Cathal wrote:

>>   I am describing Andrew de Moray's shield.  Am I correct in
>>saying,
>>"a swath of  deep blue complimented with three mullets Argent."  ???  My
sincere thanks for your time.
>>
>>
>>
> How are you truing to describe it?  Using lay-terms or heraldic
>blazon?
>
>
~Hi Cathal, as you saw, I was trying to weave a mix of both for a
'taste' of the medieval setting.  For guidance I used the photo at:
http://www.andrewdemoray.com/
Do you think it's best to keep it simple and say, "Framed with a deep
blue, an azure swath complimented by three white stars?"  My sincere
thanks for any insight.  Happy Holidays!

Diana Cosby, International Best-Selling Author
www.dianacosby.com <http://www.dianacosby.com/>
His Captive-Alexander MacGruder/ His Woman-Duncan MacGruder/ His
Conquest-Seathan MacGruder
His Destiny - Oct 2011


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> ~Hi Cathal, as you saw, I was trying to weave a mix of both for a
> 'taste' of the medieval setting.  For guidance I used the photo at:
> http://www.andrewdemoray.com/
> Do you think it's best to keep it simple and say, "Framed with a
> deep
> blue, an azure swath complimented by three white stars?"  My sincere
> thanks for any insight.  Happy Holidays!
>
> Diana Cosby, International Best-Selling Author


How about 'on a field of deepest blue, three silver stars'?

JPratt.

Cathal wrote:

>>~Hi Cathal, as you saw, I was trying to weave a mix of both for a
>>'taste' of the medieval setting.  For guidance I used the photo at:
>>http://www.andrewdemoray.com/
>>Do you think it's best to keep it simple and say, "Framed with a
>>deep
>>blue, an azure swath complimented by three white stars?"  My sincere
>>thanks for any insight.  Happy Holidays!
>>
>>
>
>
>How about 'on a field of deepest blue, three silver stars'?
>
>
~I like that, clean, states it clearly.  I'll use something to that
effect, my sincere thanks.  The stars are silver?  They looked white
from the picture.  My sincere thanks for everything!


Diana Cosby, International Best-Selling Author
www.dianacosby.com <http://www.dianacosby.com/>
His Captive-Alexander MacGruder/ His Woman-Duncan MacGruder/ His
Conquest-Seathan MacGruder
His Destiny - Oct 2011


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>>How about 'on a field of deepest blue, three silver stars'?
>>
>>
> ~I like that, clean, states it clearly.  I'll use something to that
> effect, my sincere thanks.  The stars are silver?  They looked white
> from the picture.  My sincere thanks for everything!
>
>
> Diana Cosby,

In Heraldry, there are two 'metals'...Or and Argent.

Depending on the medium they are emblazoned with, they can be
Or= gold/yellow  (N.b. the 'yellow' is a true yellow not saffron,
tawny or any of the variants)
Argent=silver/white.

Generally the blazon is as the metal not the color, while the emblazon
can be either.

Hence: Azure, three stars of five points two and one, Argent.

(Blazon-how you describe the heraldry in technical terms)
(Emblazon-how you draw it )

Greetings

I'm not sure where you are getting the saltire cross
from, what's your source? Early Moray Arms were: "Azure, three
mullets argent, two and one" - that's the heraldic blazon. In
untechnical language, that would be "Three white five-pointed stars
arranged in a triangle pointing down, on a blue background.

Cordially;
Bruce Gordon

On Mon, December 20, 2010 2:11
pm, Diana Cosby wrote:
>     I am describing Andrew de Moray's
shield.  Am I correct in saying,
> "a swath of  deep blue
complimented with a St. Andrew's Cross Argent and
> three mullets
Argent."  ???  My sincere thanks for your time.
>
>
Diana Cosby, International Best-Selling Author
>
www.dianacosby.com <http://www.dianacosby.com/>
> His
Captive-Alexander MacGruder/ His Woman-Duncan MacGruder/ His
>
Conquest-Seathan MacGruder
> His Destiny - Oct 2011
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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"Ausculta, feminae novae
in lacunis recumbens gladii dispensans non fundamentum pro formula
administrationis est."
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I would suggest 'field' instead of 'swath', 'swath' is more like a broad
stripe, while 'field' suggests more of a background.
But otherwise, if avoiding the heraldic blazoning, your description seems
good. Or maybe, "three white stars on an azure field"?

Sin mo dha phingin....

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: albanach@yahoogroups.com [mailto:albanach@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Diana Cosby
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 1:44 PM
To: albanach@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [albanach] Correct term confirmation?

~Hi Cathal, as you saw, I was trying to weave a mix of both for a
'taste' of the medieval setting.  For guidance I used the photo at:
http://www.andrewdemoray.com/
Do you think it's best to keep it simple and say, "Framed with a deep
blue, an azure swath complimented by three white stars?"  My sincere
thanks for any insight.  Happy Holidays!

Diana Cosby, International Best-Selling Author
www.dianacosby.com <http://www.dianacosby.com/>
His Captive-Alexander MacGruder/ His Woman-Duncan MacGruder/ His
Conquest-Seathan MacGruder
His Destiny - Oct 2011


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obsidian@... wrote:

>Greetings
>
>I'm not sure where you are getting the saltire cross
>from, what's your source? Early Moray Arms were: "Azure, three
>mullets argent, two and one" - that's the heraldic blazon. In
>untechnical language, that would be "Three white five-pointed stars
>arranged in a triangle pointing down, on a blue background.
>
>
~Bruce, -blush-, when I doubled checked, I saw there wasn't a saltire
cross.  My sincere thanks and have a wonderful holiday season!

Diana Cosby, International Best-Selling Author
www.dianacosby.com <http://www.dianacosby.com/>
His Captive-Alexander MacGruder/ His Woman-Duncan MacGruder/ His
Conquest-Seathan MacGruder
His Destiny - Oct 2011


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My sincere thanks to all who offered suggestions and/or an
explanation about the correct description for describing Andrew de
Moray's shield.  I hope your New Year is the best yet!
Sincerely,

Diana Cosby, International Best-Selling Author
www.dianacosby.com <http://www.dianacosby.com/>
His Captive-Alexander MacGruder/ His Woman-Duncan MacGruder/ His
Conquest-Seathan MacGruder
His Destiny - Oct 2011


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But don't forget the border around the arms.  That is vitally important in
Scottish Heraldry as it is one of the ways Lord Lion, King of Arms
differentiates one cadet line from another.  And the border is often charged
with other heraldic devices, as in this case. However, my resolution isn't good
enough to really tell what the charges are.  This may be too much accuracy for
your purpose, but accuracy was important when you're about to brain somebody
with a mace...




________________________________
From: Cathal <cathal@...>
To: albanach@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 2:37:14 PM
Subject: Re: [albanach] Correct term confirmation?

 
>>How about 'on a field of deepest blue, three silver stars'?
>>
>>
> ~I like that, clean, states it clearly. I'll use something to that
> effect, my sincere thanks. The stars are silver? They looked white
> from the picture. My sincere thanks for everything!
>
>
> Diana Cosby,

In Heraldry, there are two 'metals'...Or and Argent.

Depending on the medium they are emblazoned with, they can be
Or= gold/yellow (N.b. the 'yellow' is a true yellow not saffron,
tawny or any of the variants)
Argent=silver/white.

Generally the blazon is as the metal not the color, while the emblazon
can be either.

Hence: Azure, three stars of five points two and one, Argent.

(Blazon-how you describe the heraldry in technical terms)
(Emblazon-how you draw it )







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The Moray arms displays no bordure - there are some heraldic
representations that strive for a chiseled, 3-dimensional effect; it's
very misleading (as well as being ghastly artwork), since such a thing
does, in fact, look a bit like an heraldic bordure. But the Moray Ancient
blazon is definitive: "Azure, three mullets, two and one,
argent". No bordure. You do encounter marks of cadency at times in
later versions; the label, the bend, and yes, a bordure, among others; but
that's 15th and 16th century stuff, it isn't seen much in the 13th or 14th
century. And when a cadency mark does occur, it's always entered into the
blazon in regular fashion. I'd have to look it up, but I think Diane's
subject was eldest son - if so, he'd use the Label, if it were in use at
all in the 1290's.

Bruce

On Thu, December 30, 2010
4:17 pm, Robert Sehon wrote:
> But don't forget the border around
the arms.  That is vitally important
> in
>
Scottish Heraldry as it is one of the ways Lord Lion, King of
Arms
> differentiates one cadet line from another. 
And the border is often
> charged
> with other heraldic
devices, as in this case. However, my resolution
>
isn't good
> enough to really tell what the charges
are.  This may be too much
> accuracy for
>
your purpose, but accuracy was important when you're about to brain
> somebody
> with a mace...
>
>
>

>
> ________________________________
>
From: Cathal <cathal@...>
> To:
albanach@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 2:37:14
PM
> Subject: Re: [albanach] Correct term confirmation?
>

>  
>>>How about 'on a field of deepest
blue, three silver stars'?
>>>
>>>
>> ~I like that, clean, states it clearly. I'll use something to
that
>> effect, my sincere thanks. The stars are silver? They
looked white
>> from the picture. My sincere thanks for
everything!
>>
>>
>> Diana Cosby,
>
> In Heraldry, there are two 'metals'...Or and Argent.
>
> Depending on the medium they are emblazoned with, they
can be
> Or= gold/yellow (N.b. the 'yellow' is a true yellow not
saffron,
> tawny or any of the variants)
>
Argent=silver/white.
>
> Generally the blazon is as the
metal not the color, while the emblazon
> can be either.
>

> Hence: Azure, three stars of five points two and one,
Argent.
>
> (Blazon-how you describe the heraldry in
technical terms)
> (Emblazon-how you draw it )
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>



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recumbens gladii dispensans non fundamentum pro formula administrationis
est."
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http://www.poms.ac.uk/
Drool...

Malcolm

Okay, this isn't a historical question, but I'm so excited that I hope
you don't mind me sharing, and it Scottish and supports Scottish
history!  I'm going to the Scottish ball! Yes, I feel like Cinderella,
except better as I'll be surrounded by Scots!!! *G* I've been invited to
attend the gala given annually by the National Trust for Scotland USA to
be held in April in NYC at the Metropolitan Club.  Here are photos from
last year's event:
http://www.ntsusa.org/events/100414/1.htm

     How exciting is that!!! Thank you for sharing this incredible life
moment with me!  Wow, I'm totally floored!!!  *Hugs*

Diana Cosby, International Best-Selling Author
www.dianacosby.com <http://www.dianacosby.com/>
His Captive-Alexander MacGruder/ His Woman-Duncan MacGruder/ His
Conquest-Seathan MacGruder
His Destiny - Oct 2011


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Just because I thought it might amuse some of you....I made and presented a two
haggises (haggi??) at a Scottish themed cooking event yesterday. A surprising
amount of people were brave enough to try it and quite a few were pleasantly
surprised to discover they liked it!

It was quite an adventure obtaining the sheep innards to make it!

If anyone would like me to upload pictures, please let me know...

But now I feel like I can cook ANYTHING...grins...

Margaret Hepburn

Not technically period, but I'm guessing still of some interest :-).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-13879236

>The notebooks of the Scottish folklore pioneer Alexander Carmichael
>have been prepared for publication.
>
>It will be the first time Carmichael's work has been available in
>its entirety.
>
> From 1860, he spent 50 years collecting legends, songs, curses and
> oral history from Gaelic-speakers.
>
>Researchers and archivists have worked for two years preparing the
>notes for publication by the University of Edinburgh.
>
>Carmichael's work has led to him being likened to the brothers Grimm
>in Germany.
>
>His volume Carmina Gadelica, published in 1900, is estimated to have
>included only a tenth of his original research material.
>
>Senior researcher Dr Donald William Stewart said: "Alexander
>Carmichael tirelessly, even obsessively, recorded the culture, lore
>and beliefs of his native Scottish highlands.

In Service,
Baintighearna Muirghein Dhaire Faoilciarach  /|\

Hi everyone,

I'm conducting a workshop and one of the participants has asked for
information on Highlanders who fought for France against England,
especially during medieval times. Any suggestions?

I have information on the Galloglas who fought in Ireland, but haven't
found anything regarding France, although I'm aware that Jacobites did
so in later centuries.

Thanks for the assist,
Cindy

--
Cindy Vallar
Author, Freelance Editor, Book Reviewer, Workshop Presenter, Piracy Historian
E-mail: cindy@... or cindyv@...
Web site: http://www.cindyvallar.com

The Scottish Thistle
Highland warrior weds woman of outlawed clan. Past secrets, witchery, and civil
war endanger their lives. Pits honor and duty against trust and love.
Read an Excerpt: http://www.cindyvallar.com/scottishthistle.html



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One element of this subject can be found here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garde_%C3%89cossaise
(if that link
doesn't work because of the odd diacriticals, just type in "Garde
Ecossaise" in Wiki, and you'll get there). I know, I know,
Wikipaedia. It's problematic in places, yes, but is a good starting
point.

Nigel

On Thu, August 11, 2011 1:22 pm, Cindy
Vallar wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm conducting a
workshop and one of the participants has asked for
> information
on Highlanders who fought for France against England,
> especially
during medieval times. Any suggestions?
>
> I have
information on the Galloglas who fought in Ireland, but haven't
>
found anything regarding France, although I'm aware that Jacobites did
> so in later centuries.
>
> Thanks for the
assist,
> Cindy
>
> --
> Cindy Vallar
> Author, Freelance Editor, Book Reviewer, Workshop Presenter,
Piracy
> Historian
> E-mail: cindy@... or
cindyv@...
> Web site: http://www.cindyvallar.com
>

> The Scottish Thistle
> Highland warrior weds woman of
outlawed clan. Past secrets, witchery, and
> civil war endanger
their lives. Pits honor and duty against trust and
> love.
> Read an Excerpt: http://www.cindyvallar.com/scottishthistle.html
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message
have been removed]
>
>


--
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fundamentum pro formula administrationis est."
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This is what my sca persona is based on. Not necessarily highlanders, there were
around 6000 scots who were in service to Charles VII before he took the throne.
It was because of their fierce reputation in battle that lead to John Stewart to
become Constable of France.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stewart,_Earl_of_Buchan.

Henry II of France was killed in a jousting accident by Gabriel Montgomery,
Captain of the Scots Guards. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_II_of_France

Those should be a good starting point.

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 11, 2011, at 21:22, Cindy Vallar <cindyv@...> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm conducting a workshop and one of the participants has asked for
> information on Highlanders who fought for France against England,
> especially during medieval times. Any suggestions?
>
> I have information on the Galloglas who fought in Ireland, but haven't
> found anything regarding France, although I'm aware that Jacobites did
> so in later centuries.
>
> Thanks for the assist,
> Cindy
>
> --
> Cindy Vallar
> Author, Freelance Editor, Book Reviewer, Workshop Presenter, Piracy Historian
> E-mail: cindy@... or cindyv@...
> Web site: http://www.cindyvallar.com
>
> The Scottish Thistle
> Highland warrior weds woman of outlawed clan. Past secrets, witchery, and
civil war endanger their lives. Pits honor and duty against trust and love.
> Read an Excerpt: http://www.cindyvallar.com/scottishthistle.html
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Thanks so much, Nigel. You're right, Wikipedia is best as a starting
point only. :-)

Cindy

obsidian@... wrote:
> One element of this subject can be found here...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garde_%C3%89cossaise
> (if that link
> doesn't work because of the odd diacriticals, just type in "Garde
> Ecossaise" in Wiki, and you'll get there). I know, I know,
> Wikipaedia. It's problematic in places, yes, but is a good starting
> point.
>
> Nigel
>
>
>

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Thanks, Earik. This is most interesting and helpful.

Cindy

Earik MacSkellie wrote:
> This is what my sca persona is based on. Not necessarily highlanders, there
were around 6000 scots who were in service to Charles VII before he took the
throne. It was because of their fierce reputation in battle that lead to John
Stewart to become Constable of France.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stewart,_Earl_of_Buchan.
>
> Henry II of France was killed in a jousting accident by Gabriel Montgomery,
Captain of the Scots Guards. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_II_of_France
>
> Those should be a good starting point.
>
>

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Cindy Vallar
Author, Freelance Editor, Book Reviewer, Workshop Presenter, Piracy Historian
E-mail: cindy@... or cindyv@...
Web site: http://www.cindyvallar.com

The Scottish Thistle
Highland warrior weds woman of outlawed clan. Past secrets, witchery, and civil
war endanger their lives. Pits honor and duty against trust and love.
Read an Excerpt: http://www.cindyvallar.com/scottishthistle.html



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My family wasn't from the highlands, but we found our coat of arms listed among
those scots visiting/in alliance with france.

Anyway, Google books has several books on the topic.

Memoirs concerning the ancient alliance between the French and Scots, and the
privileges of the Scots in France by Thomas Moncrieff (published in 1751)

http://books.google.com/books?id=2GQuAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA1&dq=Scots+in+France&hl=en&ei\
=4BtETrmCKNLdgQeF4f0b&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=o\
nepage&q&f=false

The Scots men-at-arms and life-guards in france from their formation until their
final dissolution by William Forbes-Leith, 1882

http://books.google.com/books?id=KWkaAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Scots+in+Fr\
ance&hl=en&ei=em5ETui3CMPh0QG-yujTCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=\
0CDgQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false









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From: Cindy Vallar <cindyv@...>
To: albanach@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [albanach] Highland mercenaries


 
Thanks, Earik. This is most interesting and helpful.

Cindy

Earik MacSkellie wrote:
> This is what my sca persona is based on. Not necessarily highlanders, there
were around 6000 scots who were in service to Charles VII before he took the
throne. It was because of their fierce reputation in battle that lead to John
Stewart to become Constable of France.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stewart,_Earl_of_Buchan.
>
> Henry II of France was killed in a jousting accident by Gabriel Montgomery,
Captain of the Scots Guards. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_II_of_France
>
> Those should be a good starting point.
>
>

--
Cindy Vallar
Author, Freelance Editor, Book Reviewer, Workshop Presenter, Piracy Historian
E-mail: cindy@... or cindyv@...
Web site: http://www.cindyvallar.com

The Scottish Thistle
Highland warrior weds woman of outlawed clan. Past secrets, witchery, and civil
war endanger their lives. Pits honor and duty against trust and love.
Read an Excerpt: http://www.cindyvallar.com/scottishthistle.html

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Thank you! :-)

Cindy

REA Crane wrote:
> My family wasn't from the highlands, but we found our coat of arms listed
among those scots visiting/in alliance with france.
>
> Anyway, Google books has several books on the topic.
>
> Memoirs concerning the ancient alliance between the French and Scots, and the
privileges of the Scots in France by Thomas Moncrieff (published in 1751)
>
>
http://books.google.com/books?id=2GQuAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA1&dq=Scots+in+France&hl=en&ei\
=4BtETrmCKNLdgQeF4f0b&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=o\
nepage&q&f=false
>
> The Scots men-at-arms and life-guards in france from their formation until
their final dissolution by William Forbes-Leith, 1882
>
>
http://books.google.com/books?id=KWkaAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Scots+in+Fr\
ance&hl=en&ei=em5ETui3CMPh0QG-yujTCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=\
0CDgQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false
>
>

--
Cindy Vallar
Author, Freelance Editor, Book Reviewer, Workshop Presenter, Piracy Historian
E-mail: cindy@... or cindyv@...
Web site: http://www.cindyvallar.com

The Scottish Thistle
Highland warrior weds woman of outlawed clan. Past secrets, witchery, and civil
war endanger their lives. Pits honor and duty against trust and love.
Read an Excerpt: http://www.cindyvallar.com/scottishthistle.html



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