Setting, 1297 Scotland.
     I'm searching through Scottish battle heraldry and am trying to
decide what would allow someone to recognize that a knight was in fact a
nobel?  Was this possible?  FYI, my character is an earl.  I've read
that in battle, simplicity seemed to be the norm.  So, now I'm confused
how my heroine would know the guy is a noble, or if possible, an earl.
Thanks!
Diana
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If the character is an Earl, then his personal armoury should be
sufficient for another person of social status to recognize him.  The
arms could be displayed on shield, surcoat, horse trappings, banner or
by some other means such as a badge on a lance pennon.

The 'Declaration of Arbroath' signed in 1320 had only eight
signatories of the estate of Earl which was then both a title and
feudal designation.
The rank is generally considered to have evolved from the seven
regional 'kings' who in turn had advised the High King of Scots.
There was not a bestowal of the title 'earl' without a feudal tenure.
i.e. a personal honour with no territorial rights, until 1358 when Sir
William Douglas was created 1st Earl of Douglas.

JPratt.

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quietly led.
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> Setting, 1297 Scotland.
>    I'm searching through Scottish battle heraldry and am trying to
> decide what would allow someone to recognize that a knight was in
> fact a
> nobel?  Was this possible?  FYI, my character is an earl.  I've read
> that in battle, simplicity seemed to be the norm.  So, now I'm
> confused
> how my heroine would know the guy is a noble, or if possible, an
> earl.
> Thanks!
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Cathal wrote:

>If the character is an Earl, then his personal armoury should be sufficient for
another person of social status to recognize him.  The arms could be displayed
on shield, surcoat, horse trappings, banner or by some other means such as a
badge on a lance pennon.
>
>
~So, if I'm understanding you correctly, when the woman sees arms
displayed on his shield, she would know he's a noble, correct?

>The 'Declaration of Arbroath' signed in 1320 had only eight signatories of the
estate of Earl which was then both a title and feudal designation.  The rank is
generally considered to have evolved from the seven  regional 'kings' who in
turn had advised the High King of Scots. There was not a bestowal of the title
'earl' without a feudal tenure.
>i.e. a personal honour with no territorial rights, until 1358 when Sir William
Douglas was created 1st Earl of Douglas.
>
>
~Interesting, thank you very much for taking the time to reply.  I hope
you have a wonderful holiday season!
Sincerely,

Diana
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Diana,
 
I would say that is probably true.  Remember, there actually were not many
holders of arms.  Some would be noble, some would be knightly and the few
others who held arms would be men at arms who were mostly all common.  This was
a relatively small social/fighting group in practice.  Most armies were
composed mostly of infantry, archers, and sappers/engineers.  The cavalry was
the armored knight, but these men were few, due to the high cost of arming
themselves.  I'd recommend the various short works by Ewart Oakshott as a good
short reference.
 
RPS

--- On Wed, 12/23/09, Diana Cosby <diana@...> wrote:


From: Diana Cosby <diana@...>
Subject: Re: [albanach] Specifics on the surcoat or elsewhere to denote the man
as an earl? - JPratt
To: albanach@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 2:22 PM


 



Cathal wrote:

>If the character is an Earl, then his personal armoury should be sufficient for
another person of social status to recognize him. The arms could be displayed on
shield, surcoat, horse trappings, banner or by some other means such as a badge
on a lance pennon.
>
>
~So, if I'm understanding you correctly, when the woman sees arms
displayed on his shield, she would know he's a noble, correct?

>The 'Declaration of Arbroath' signed in 1320 had only eight signatories of the
estate of Earl which was then both a title and feudal designation. The rank is
generally considered to have evolved from the seven regional 'kings' who in turn
had advised the High King of Scots. There was not a bestowal of the title 'earl'
without a feudal tenure.
>i.e. a personal honour with no territorial rights, until 1358 when Sir William
Douglas was created 1st Earl of Douglas.
>
>
~Interesting, thank you very much for taking the time to reply. I hope
you have a wonderful holiday season!
Sincerely,

Diana
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>
>>If the character is an Earl, then his personal armoury should be
>>sufficient for another person of social status to recognize him.
>>The arms could be displayed on shield, surcoat, horse trappings,
>>banner or by some other means such as a badge on a lance pennon.
>>
>>
> ~So, if I'm understanding you correctly, when the woman sees arms
> displayed on his shield, she would know he's a noble, correct?

If the arms were well enough known, then yes.  The wearing of coat
armour usually indicated a basic degree of social status, but it was
the renown attendant to those arms that further identified him.  If
the man was an Earl, then chances are a person of upper class would
recognize which arms adhered to which title.   With only eight holders
of Earldoms in the period you indicated and those eight being
generally closely associated with the King of Scots I'll hazard to say
she would probably know him or at least the House.  Remember the full
blazon would only be carried by the holder of the honour and not by
any of his minions.  The arms, as the old saying goes, make the man.

Think of it along the ability of modern sports fans being able to
identify their favorites by their uniform numbers.  They might mistake
the face, but the apparel and number on it would help identification.
>
>>The 'Declaration of Arbroath' signed in 1320 had only eight
>>signatories of the estate of Earl which was then both a title and
>>feudal designation.  The rank is generally considered to have
>>evolved from the seven  regional 'kings' who in turn had advised the
>>High King of Scots. There was not a bestowal of the title 'earl'
>>without a feudal tenure.
>>i.e. a personal honour with no territorial rights, until 1358 when
>>Sir William Douglas was created 1st Earl of Douglas.
>>
>>
> ~Interesting, thank you very much for taking the time to reply.  I
> hope
> you have a wonderful holiday season!
> Sincerely,
>
> Diana

Glad to have helped.  Have a good holiday yourself.

JPratt.

Robert Sehon wrote:

>Diana,
>
>I would say that is probably true.  Remember, there actually were not many
holders of arms.  Some would be noble, some would be knightly and the few others
who held arms would be men at arms who were mostly all common.  This was a
relatively small social/fighting group in practice.  Most armies were composed
mostly of infantry, archers, and sappers/engineers.  The cavalry was the armored
knight, but these men were few, due to the high cost of arming themselves.  I'd
recommend the various short works by Ewart Oakshott as a good short reference.
>
>
>
~Thank you very much.  I have E. Oakshott's books here.  I'll look
through them.  Thank you for your time and have a wonderful holiday season!

Diana

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Cathal wrote:

>If the arms were well enough known, then yes.  The wearing of coat
>armour usually indicated a basic degree of social status, but it was
>the renown attendant to those arms that further identified him.
>
~So, if the woman catches the image of a green fir upon a silver shield,
then on closer inspection, notes a sword bendways supporting an imperial
crown proper on its point, and a blue canton, would that would be a
correct thought?

Thank you for your time.  Happy Holidays!

Diana


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> ~So, if the woman catches the image of a green fir upon a silver
> shield,
> then on closer inspection, notes a sword bendways supporting an
> imperial
> crown proper on its point, and a blue canton, would that would be a
> correct thought?
>
> Thank you for your time.  Happy Holidays!
>
> Diana
>
Quite probably.  Formal knowledge of heraldic blazon was not always
present;
however the renown of the arms would be a possible enhancement to
recognition.

JPratt.

Cathal wrote:

>
>
>>~So, if the woman catches the image of a green fir upon a silver
>>shield,
>>then on closer inspection, notes a sword bendways supporting an
>>imperial
>>crown proper on its point, and a blue canton, would that would be a
>>correct thought?
>>
>>Thank you for your time.  Happy Holidays!
>>
>>Diana
>>
>>
>>
>Quite probably.  Formal knowledge of heraldic blazon was not always
>present; however the renown of the arms would be a possible enhancement to
>recognition.
>
>
~Great, thank you very much for all of your help!  Happy Holidays and
may your New Years be the best yet!

Diana
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At 3:47 PM -0500 12/23/09, Cathal wrote:
>  >
>  >>If the character is an Earl, then his personal armoury should be
>  >>sufficient for another person of social status to recognize him.
>  >>The arms could be displayed on shield, surcoat, horse trappings,
>  >>banner or by some other means such as a badge on a lance pennon.
>  >>
>  >>
>  > ~So, if I'm understanding you correctly, when the woman sees arms
>  > displayed on his shield, she would know he's a noble, correct?
>
>If the arms were well enough known, then yes.  The wearing of coat
>armour usually indicated a basic degree of social status, but it was
>the renown attendant to those arms that further identified him.  If
>the man was an Earl, then chances are a person of upper class would
>recognize which arms adhered to which title.   With only eight holders
>of Earldoms in the period you indicated and those eight being
>generally closely associated with the King of Scots I'll hazard to say
>she would probably know him or at least the House.  Remember the full
>blazon would only be carried by the holder of the honour and not by
>any of his minions.  The arms, as the old saying goes, make the man.
>
>Think of it along the ability of modern sports fans being able to
>identify their favorites by their uniform numbers.  They might mistake
>the face, but the apparel and number on it would help identification.

I'll just emphasize that the analogy is to uniform numbers --and
without the modern practice of fans buying jerseys with the relevant
favorite's number-- rather than to sports team uniforms.

Basically, the only person who wore the arms of the Earl of X was the
earl of X himself and his (personal) herald(s) -- and even then the
herald wore the arms (and was dressed) in a way that he was
identifiably a herald, so no confusing of a herald for his lord.

Servants and retainers of the Earl of X might wear the Earl of X's
badge, but his badge would be quite different from his arms (it
wasn't just his arms with some distinguishing mark, but rather a
different design than the design of his arms). And such a badge would
usually be displayed/worn rather differently than how the Earl
displayed/wore his arms. (For example, I don't think people put their
lord's badge on their shield in the way said lord might put his arms
on his shield.)

So, in battle or otherwise, the scenario would be your heroine sees
somebody, say, fighting with a shield with the Earl of X's arms on
them, and says to herself "Oh, look, Self! There is the Earl of X".

Sharon
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In July 1297 when the Bishop Wishart surrendered to the English at
Irvine, then was moved to Roxburgh Castle by the English.  I'm trying to
determine how long he remained there until Wallace freed him.  In
Geoffrey W.S. Barrow's book, Robert Bruce & The Community of The Realm
of Scotland, he states, "Wallace sent his men to besiege Roxburgh
expressly because the bishop of Glasgow was imprisoned there, and
evidently too valuable, in Wallace's view, to be left in English hands.

*I found this mentioned:
-*Wishart's first rising came to a premature end in July 1297 when he
surrendered to the English at Irvine, but the ball was rolling and would
not stop.  The rebel bishop was imprisoned for a time, swore his fealty
to Edward anew, only to break it as soon as he was released.  Reference:
http://www.rcag.org.uk/history_H3_wishart.htm

So, if anyone has any idea of how long the Bishop Wishart remained in
Roxburgh Castle, or has a source I can research further, I would be
extremely grateful.  Thank you very much for your time.
Happy New Year!

Diana
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Greetings

I don't know precisely - the sources I have
immediately at hand are all vague and, in fact, Wishart isn't much
mentioned at all. There is a fairly detailed article on him in Wikipedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wishart), but it doesn't say exactly
when. If it was Wallace who released him, then it would have occurred
before the battle at Falkirk (22 July 1298), since afterward, Wallace's
prestige evaporated and, in fact, he left for France in short order. If
Edward released him upon his oath, that would strongly imply a time
shortly after the battle, the result of which would have made it seem as
if Edward was in full control and resistance to him futile. The Wiki
article says explicitly that Edward was complaining personally to the
Pope, attempting to get Wishart removed from his See, in May of 1301, so
his release would have been before then. If you can find it, you might try
John Dowden's The Bishops of Scotland, ed. J. Maitland Thomson,
(Glasgow, 1912) - I haven't seen it, but it sounds like it might be
useful.

Cordially;
Nigel

On Sun, December 27,
2009 5:01 pm, Diana Cosby wrote:
>      In July 1297 when the
Bishop Wishart surrendered to the English at
> Irvine, then was
moved to Roxburgh Castle by the English.  I'm trying to
>
determine how long he remained there until Wallace freed him.  In
> Geoffrey W.S. Barrow's book, Robert Bruce & The Community of
The Realm
> of Scotland, he states, "Wallace sent his men to
besiege Roxburgh
> expressly because the bishop of Glasgow was
imprisoned there, and
> evidently too valuable, in Wallace's view,
to be left in English hands.
>
> *I found this
mentioned:
> -*Wishart's first rising came to a premature end in
July 1297 when he
> surrendered to the English at Irvine, but the
ball was rolling and would
> not stop.  The rebel bishop was
imprisoned for a time, swore his fealty
> to Edward anew, only to
break it as soon as he was released.  Reference:
>
http://www.rcag.org.uk/history_H3_wishart.htm
>
> So, if
anyone has any idea of how long the Bishop Wishart remained in
>
Roxburgh Castle, or has a source I can research further, I would be
> extremely grateful.  Thank you very much for your time.
>
Happy New Year!
>
> Diana
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<http://www.dianacosby.com/>
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MacGruder
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>
>
>
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I've been scouring my research books and more to find out exactly
where Sir Alexander de Lindsay was the week or so after July 7th, 1297.
Does anyone know where I can look to find out exactly where Sir
Alexander de Lindsay was the week or so after July 7th, 1297?

*If you're interested, July 7th, 1297 is the date that the Earl of
Carrick, the Bishop Wishart and Sir William Douglas surrendered
ignominiously, without even striking a single blow.


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I've been scouring my research books and more to find out exactly
where Sir Alexander de Lindsay was the week or so after July 7th, 1297.
Does anyone know where I can look to find out exactly where Sir
Alexander de Lindsay was the week or so after July 7th, 1297?

*If you're interested, July 7th, 1297 is the date that the Earl of
Carrick, the Bishop Wishart and Sir William Douglas surrendered
ignominiously, without even striking a single blow.

	 Thank you very much for any guidance in advance.  Have a great day!
Sincerely,

Diana
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I've been researching David de Moravia, who during my story time
frame, July 1297, was a Parson of Bothwell, and the uncle to Sir Andrew
de Moray.  Also, David de Moravia was the Leader of the Northern
Resistance.   Two questions:

1.  This means that David de Moravia indeed led troops and fought,
correct?  I ask as I hate to assume.
2.  What is the proper address for a Parson?  For example, if someone
sees him and says, "Oh, that's XXXXX."  ???  I don't think I say Vicar,
but I'm unsure.

     Thank you very much.  I sincerely appreciate your time.

Diana

Hullo all i am looking for  info on Sorley Boy MacDonnell and the whole Mac
donnells  of of Antrim  I have found one wikiapeada articular  and the folks in
clan Macdonalds are    well they want to be helpful but itas not realy what I'm
looking for  can an one recommend any books on line resources ect?

                                                                                \
                                              Thank you
                                                                                \
                                                             collin

At 6:21 PM -0600 1/20/10, Diana Cosby wrote:
>2.  What is the proper address for a Parson?  For example, if someone
>sees him and says, "Oh, that's XXXXX."  ???  I don't think I say Vicar,
>but I'm unsure.

"Sir", as in "Sir David".

Sharon
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Sharon L. Krossa wrote:

>At 6:21 PM -0600 1/20/10, Diana Cosby wrote:
>
>
>>2.  What is the proper address for a Parson?  For example, if someone
>>sees him and says, "Oh, that's XXXXX."  ???  I don't think I say Vicar,
>>but I'm unsure.
>>
>>
>
>"Sir", as in "Sir David".
>
>
~Thank you SO much, Sharon.  A huge thanks!  I hope your 2010 is filled
with blessings!

Diana


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Collin king wrote:

>Hullo all i am looking for  info on Sorley Boy MacDonnell and the whole Mac
donnells  of of Antrim  I have found one wikiapeada articular  and the folks in
clan Macdonalds are    well they want to be helpful but itas not realy what I'm
looking for  can an one recommend any books on line resources ect?
>
>
Collin, not sure if this will help much more, but it does reference a
source, which you could check as well:
http://www.libraryireland.com/biography/SorleyBoyMacDonnell.php
Sources:  224. MacDonnells of Antrim, Historical Account: Rev. George
Hill. Belfast, 1873.

http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/101017465/

*I don't have this, but if someone else does, or, you can check it out
at a library, it might be of help:


     Fire and Sword: Sorley Boy MacDonnell and the Rise of Clan Ian Mor,
     1538-1590
    
<http://www.allbookstores.com/book/9780485114379/Fire_and_Sword_Sorley_Boy_MacDo\
nnell_and_the_Rise_of_Clan_Ian_Mor_1538-1590.html>

by James Michael Hill
<http://www.allbookstores.com/author/James_Michael_Hill.html>
Book - January 1993

     Hope something helps.  My sincere best,

Diana
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What would a person in the late 1290's be called who sold their
expertise in military knowledge, their lethal skills and worked for the
highest bidder be called?  Thank you very much!
Diana

Mercenary?

Effric  mka Lee-Ann

On -03Feb-10, at 12:47 PM, Diana Cosby wrote:

> What would a person in the late 1290's be called who sold their
> expertise in military knowledge, their lethal skills and worked for the
> highest bidder be called? Thank you very much!
> Diana
>



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Lee-Ann Johnson wrote:

>Mercenary?
>
>Effric  mka Lee-Ann
>
>
~:)  That's it.  I couldn't think of the word.  Thank you SO much,
Effric!  Have a great day!

Diana
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I'm unsure where I read it, but a while ago = a couple of years, I
read that in medieval Scotland, women wore braids only after they were
married.  Does anyone have a source if this is true?  Also, does anyone
have a source where I can read what other things women wore only after
they were married in medieval Scotland?  My sincere thanks for your time.

Diana

Your welcome.
Wasn't sure if that was what you were looking for.  :)

Sent from my iPod

Lee-Ann

On 2010-02-04, at 10:00 AM, Diana Cosby <diana@...> wrote:

> Lee-Ann Johnson wrote:
>
> >Mercenary?
> >
> >Effric mka Lee-Ann
> >
> >
> ~:) That's it. I couldn't think of the word. Thank you SO much,
> Effric! Have a great day!
>
> Diana
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>
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>
>


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Lee-Ann wrote:

>Your welcome.
>Wasn't sure if that was what you were looking for.  :)
>
>
:)  It was.  You know how sometimes you 'know' the word, but however
hard you try, you can't think of it?  Yes, one of those times.  Enjoy
your day!  Now, headed back to my mercenary. *G*

Diana

Diana,

One of the ladies of my Shire did an article on medieval hairstyles
recently.  I'll search it out tonight to see if it says anything on Scottish
styles particularly.  If it doesn't have anything I'll query her for other
reference(s) for you.

And as far as clothing goes, whenever anyone asks about Scottish garb, the
standard reply is, "Have you read Sharon Krossa's webpage?" *lol*  Honestly,
it's a great starting place.  Here's the Link:  http://medievalscotland.org/

Then this webpage from historicgames.com had some info on clothing:
http://historicgames.com/Scottishstuff/scotsattire.html

The following info was taken from this website:
http://www.earlyirish.org/EarlyGaelicDress12col.pdf , page 4.  The time
period discussed for the article is much earlier than what you write, but
the below resource would be useful.  The Highland Scots were by and large,
'conservative' in their dressing, so sudden, radical changes were not usual,
so a resource detailing dress from previous centuries could still be useful.
*
Old Irish and Highland Dress, with Notes on That of the Isle of Man**, by
H.F. McClintock, Dundalgan Press, 1943
Well, the bad news is that this work has been out of print for quite some
time. Even an interlibrary loan has a hard time finding it. It may still
haunt some old bookshelf in your area, but good luck finding it. Now, here
is the good news. www.Scotpress.com has for sale on CD not only this entire
book, but many others as well, most of which deal with Scottish and Irish
history. So you may very well be able to get the sweat-drenched work of Old
Man McClintock for yourself. It is worth every penny. McClintock is the
pioneer in this field, charged with determining historic Irish dress for the
Irish government in the ‘forties.  Before him was P.W. Joyce, author of a
text called A Social History of Ancient Ireland, which was based on the
Victorian work of Professor O’Curry, Manners and Customs of the Ancient
Irish, published in 1873.  O’Curry was a sound scholar but he proposed
translations that simply didn’t pan out when investigated, especially
concerning fashion, so McClintock started over. He gives the reader
sculpture and shrines, art and literature, sacred texts and even Brehon Law
to back his conclusions. Though some of what McClintock wrote is now a
little dated, his writing remains the foremost resource for this topic.

Neither of these works is definitive. Discoveries and more detailed
understandings of daily life and dress are coming to light every day.
However, these books form a strong foundation for any scholar or enthusiast
to begin their dabblings and should be sought with haste.*

Then of course, there's always the Yahoo Group, SCA Garb.  A very
knowledgeable bunch and very willing to answer questions posed.

Hope this helps!

--
Slán!

Sebhdann ingen Cinaedha
Shire of Wyewood, An Tir
Clannet, Clan Carn

*mka Sue V.*

Move Your Feet to a Marching Drum
We'll win the war and pay the toll,
We'll Fight as One in Heart and Soul
--'The March of Cambreadth'--Heather Alexander


On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:01 AM, Diana Cosby <diana@...> wrote:

>
>
> I'm unsure where I read it, but a while ago = a couple of years, I
> read that in medieval Scotland, women wore braids only after they were
> married. Does anyone have a source if this is true? Also, does anyone
> have a source where I can read what other things women wore only after
> they were married in medieval Scotland? My sincere thanks for your time.
>
> Diana
>
>


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Diana,

Also the term *Gallowglass* might be appropriate.  Here's a Wikipedia
article on it:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallowglass

Hope this helps!
--
Slán!

Sebhdann ingen Cinaedha
Shire of Wyewood, An Tir
Clannet, Clan Carn

*mka Sue V.*

Move Your Feet to a Marching Drum
We'll win the war and pay the toll,
We'll Fight as One in Heart and Soul
--'The March of Cambreadth'--Heather Alexander


On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Diana Cosby <diana@...> wrote:

>
>
> What would a person in the late 1290's be called who sold their
> expertise in military knowledge, their lethal skills and worked for the
> highest bidder be called? Thank you very much!
> Diana
>
>


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I started my final on-line revisions for my next book the the Scottish
Independence series, and I just realized that there are two spellings out there:
-Sir Andrew de Murray = used by Geoffrey W.S. Barrow in Robert Bruce & The
Community of The Realm of Scotland
-Sir Andrew de Moray =  used by Evan Macleod Barron in The Scottish War of
Independence as well as on-line sites.

*For continuity purposes, I need to use one name throughout my novel.  In
speculation, both are accepted???  That's what their use by both researchers
tells me.  Any guidance on the preferred spelling would be greatly appreciated. 
Thank you very much in advance and have a great weekend.

Diana Cosby
www.dianacosby.com <http://www.dianacosby.com/>
His Captive/Alexander MacGruder
His Woman/Duncan MacGruder - 4 star Romantic Times review -  2009
Booksellers Best Finalist
His Conquest - Nov 2010  /  His Destiny - Nov 2011

These are just incredible.

>Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:03:09 -0700
>Subject: [Caid] photos of Scotland
>
>Unbelievably gorgeous photos of Scotland:
>
>http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/01/hebrides/richardson-photography
>
>Trig yn iach,
>Rhieinwen
>---
>Y mae yma ryw ystyr hud
>(There is here some enchanted meaning)

YiS,
Baintighearna Muirghein Dhaire Faoilciarach  /|\

Tha nan dealabhan ubhasach bhreagha, mar a tha Alba fhèin.
Tapaidh leibh a' Mhuirghein airson a' cuir air loidhne iad.

The pictures are terribly lovely, as is Scotland itself.
Thank you Murighein, for putting them on line.

Beannachd leibh,
Sealltainn O'Bruadair

Muirghein wrote:
>
> These are just incredible.
>
> >Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:03:09 -0700
> >Subject: [Caid] photos of Scotland
> >
> >Unbelievably gorgeous photos of Scotland:
> >
> >http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/01/hebrides/richardson-photography
> <http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/01/hebrides/richardson-photography>
> >
> >Trig yn iach,
> >Rhieinwen
> >---
> >Y mae yma ryw ystyr hud
> >(There is here some enchanted meaning)
>
> YiS,
> Baintighearna Muirghein Dhaire Faoilciarach /|\
>
>