In a message dated 11/30/2004 8:11:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, AWDonkin@... writes: Anyone else seen THE INCREDIBLES? How much stuff (Watchmen / Marvelman...
Jean Rogers
jean@...
Dec 1, 2004 9:00 am
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... By that standard, every comic book is a rip-off; they borrow from other genres, other comics, and even themselves all the time. Look at the Watchmen...
Well I guess I'm the only person that was disappointed then. I thought that the teaser trailer (complete with OHMSS music) was great. The film for me was...
AWDonkin@...
Dec 2, 2004 10:53 am
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Watchmen - there was the bumping off superheroes bit which as you say has been done many times. Also (as I mentioned) the billionaire villain funds secret...
AWDonkin@...
Dec 2, 2004 12:04 pm
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... yeah, kids, I'll tell you.. .cough cough ! All that Superhero funnies are a rip off of cough, old pulp series. Superman is a flying Doc Savage and Batman...
... I hear what you're saying. I guess we differ generally on the genral issue of being entertained by it. No tonly didn't I find it long, but I just enjoyed...
(snip) yeah, kids, I'll tell you.. .cough cough ! All that Superhero funnies are a rip off of cough, old pulp series. Superman is a flying Doc Savage.... FABIO...
bryan.hollerbach@...
Dec 2, 2004 2:56 pm
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... Actually, if it's any Moore ripoff, I'd think Tom Storng and the Strongmen of America! If you're looking at ti as junior protege, I think Batman and Robin...
A.W. Donkin asks (rhetorically): I mean how lazy was it (for example - and there are loads) to have the daughter have the powers of invisibility and...
Jean Rogers
jean@...
Dec 2, 2004 3:17 pm
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... stuff (Watchmen / Marvelman / etc + >>>>Fantastic Four) does that rip off. I have been meaning to ask this for a while. A few weeks ago we got a DVD in...
... superheroes are based (mmm... inspired? ) in pulp >>>characters... Actually, Only the name "Superman" was taken from an advertisement for Doc Savage....
Siegel & Shuster also found direct inspiration from Popeye, Samson, and "every circus strong man that ever lived", but yeah, primarily it came from Wiley. In...
kevindh@...
Dec 2, 2004 8:28 pm
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"I mean how lazy was it (for example - and there are loads) to have the daughter have the powers of invisibility and force fields? The only link between...
Yep, I guess this is where we differ. I was bored by it. And to me it wasn't funny or original enough to not be a rip off. It was just (IMHO) using many...
AWDonkin@...
Dec 3, 2004 1:48 am
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Well, IMHO Marvelman came a long time before Tom Strong. Plus marvel Man was an attempt at a well-written serious series while Tom Strong is (much as I ...
AWDonkin@...
Dec 3, 2004 1:51 am
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I can't agree with that, Jean. For that to be a valid point those two powers would have to be the only feminine powers. That (to me) shows a very firm lack...
AWDonkin@...
Dec 3, 2004 1:55 am
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Yes..but Robin was a "junior protege" and that was how you described the parallel. Not as "junior protege who goes wrong" e L nny ...
... It was actually 8 pages, a complete first chapter. It was intended to be part 1 of a 6-part series for an anthology which never got off the ground. It...
some great stuff at Top Shelf...with a $10 coupon, well worth checking out! e L nny ******************************************************* Top Shelf Holiday...
Also click on the Brian Eno interview. Alan Moore asks the questions this time....
Richard East
ferark@...
Dec 3, 2004 3:44 pm
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[This is off-topic but related, since Charles Vess organized the art show associated with this conference. As many of you know, Charles did a Promethea...
I already answered this (fair) point very clearly. Moore does something new and wonderful with it. Bird does not. (IMHO). And why do you let AM get away...
AWDonkin@...
Dec 4, 2004 2:13 am
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So there is absolutely NO other power that could also be thematic? Sorry - to me those powers together are a lazy rip. Lazy? I don't agree. The girl turns...
AWDonkin@...
Dec 4, 2004 2:14 am
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Well, I think it is fair enough of me to disparage Bird for laziness when what he has written and directed seems to me to be full of lazy ideas taken from...
AWDonkin@...
Dec 4, 2004 2:18 am
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I described the parallel as an "adoring junior protégé" which again isn't really Robin particularly. Yes..but Robin was a "junior protege" and that was how...
AWDonkin@...
Dec 4, 2004 2:22 am
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In a message dated 12/3/2004 9:20:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, AWDonkin@... writes: Well, I think it is fair enough of me to disparage Bird for laziness...
actually i don't think its so much satire as a postmodernist look at superheroes using the patented Pixar medium. superheoes have become a part of pop culture,...
I'm not quite sure I understand the difference between an "ironic tweaking of the genre" and a satire on the genre! Either way, it seems my initial point is...
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