Hi Kathy,

No I am one who is not from Alabama ... I am an Australian and haver
visited the USA .... I work as an archaeologist but have studied history
and am interested in learning about different areas, the people and
their cultures.
Take care,
Jill

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Hello there,

I am not from Alabama but from the UK. I have however made
many visits to Mobile for my research and to visit my
relatives and to eat delicious Gulf Coast food.

Nahfiza Ahmed
Dept. of History
University of Southampton
Highfield
Southampton SO17 1BJ
Tel: +44 1703 592239

Hi Kathy:

No, I'm not from Alabama, but from Gaithersburg, MD, a far-northern suburb
of Washington DC. Have been through Alabama several times as a child (many
years ago) on my way to my grandparent's place in Texas.  Turns out my
great-grandfather,  Newton Mitchel, served as a private in the 41st Alabama,
and a number of my ancestors made their way to Texas after living in Alabama
for several years.  Hence my interest in Alabama history.

Jill (Mitchell) Myers
jmmyers@...

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>Hi
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>I live in KY. I have only visited Alabama.
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Special Holiday and inventory hours are as follows:
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jacknjill xcni wrote:
>
> From: "jacknjill xcni" <jacknjill5@...>
>
> Hi Kathy,
>
> No I am one who is not from Alabama ... I am an Australian and haver
> visited the USA .... I work as an archaeologist but have studied history
> and am interested in learning about different areas, the people and
> their cultures.
> Take care,
> Jill
>
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Jill -
This is a great! I don't think that any of us are from Alabama.
But I think that you are probably the farthest away.
How about it guys. Are any of you all out of the country. (Besides any
of you all living in Ohio) (Just Kidding)
I love learning about other peoples  culture too.
I think that Alabama must be the core of culture. There's so much there.
I have loved just reading about it and learning about it. THat's why I
joined this list too.
Kathy

Nahfiza Ahmed wrote:
>
> From: Nahfiza Ahmed <N.Ahmed@...>
>
> Hello there,
>
> I am not from Alabama but from the UK. I have however made
> many visits to Mobile for my research and to visit my
> relatives and to eat delicious Gulf Coast food.
>
> Nahfiza Ahmed
> Dept. of History
> University of Southampton
> Highfield
> Southampton SO17 1BJ
> Tel: +44 1703 592239
>
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Well I am just checking my mail and looks like Jill isn't the only one
from out of the county. Nahfiza is too. I can't believe this. This is
really neat. What kind of research do you do Nahfiza? I have been to
Mobile I think that it is beautiful. I love the food.  too.
Kathy

Dean Costello wrote:
>
> From: Dean Costello <costello@...>
>
> >Are all the people on this list from Alabama or living in Alabama?
> >I live in KY. I have only visited Alabama.
> >Kathy
>
> Hey Kathy,
>
> I live in Virginia, right outside of DC.  I went to grad. school at UAB
> (two years) in Birmingham, and I found that I had picked up an interest in
> the state.  I got lucky in that I became friends with someone who also was
> interested in state history, and we ended up exploring the state from
> Muscle Shoals to the forts of Dauphin Island.  Whenever I get back (about
> once a year or so) I try to make a trip to Cahawba/Cahaba to see how the
> restoration is going, and random side trips to places like Horseshoe Bend.
>
> To try and keep my chops in shape, at the moment I am mowing through
> "Alabama--The History of a Deep South State".
>
> --
> Te occidere possunt sed te edere non pussunt netas est
>         [Roughly, "They can kill you, but the legalities of
>                    eating you are quite a bit dicier."]
>
> Dean Costello
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OK Dean from the looks of this list. I think that we're the only ones in
the United States. I always thought that I was just weird that I was
studying states on my own and now I find all you cool peopel on here and
I don't feel so weird anymore. So what interesting facts has everybody
found out about Alabama.
I have been making a scrapbook about it. I think that you must have been
interested in the physical side. I have been studying the people.
Different authors and different ways of cooking. I like reading
different books about it and how these people grew up and what
influenced them.
Kathy

JILL (MITCHELL) MYERS wrote:
>
> From: "JILL (MITCHELL) MYERS" <jmmyers@...>
>
> Hi Kathy:
>
> No, I'm not from Alabama, but from Gaithersburg, MD, a far-northern suburb
> of Washington DC. Have been through Alabama several times as a child (many
> years ago) on my way to my grandparent's place in Texas.  Turns out my
> great-grandfather,  Newton Mitchel, served as a private in the 41st Alabama,
> and a number of my ancestors made their way to Texas after living in Alabama
> for several years.  Hence my interest in Alabama history.
>
> Jill (Mitchell) Myers
> jmmyers@...
>
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> To: alabamahistory@onelist.com <alabamahistory@onelist.com>
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>
> >From: kbyrd@...
> >
> >Hi
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> >I live in KY. I have only visited Alabama.
> >Kathy
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Hi Jill,
Have you got to go to the Van Gough exhibit yet.
There's a friend at work that went. He said he stood in line 3 hours to
get tickets.
Kathy

List members,


The life and times of 19th century Alabama industrialist Daniel Pratt who
arrived in Alabama from New Hampshire in 1833 will be examined and
celebrated in Prattville, Alabama, on February 19-20, 1999.

Topics of the lecture symposium on the 19th include Daniel Pratt as
religious man (Wayne Flynt), as industrial visionary (Marty Olliff), as
slave owner (Vergie Johnson), and as politcian (Curt Evans).  The focus on
the 20th will be Pratt as patron of the arts: Donald Keyes and Laquita
Thompson on Pratt's relations with artist George Cooke, and William Banks
on Pratt's influence on Georgia architecture.

There will be a tour of the Pratt cemetery and a gala dinner based on
contemporary menus.  Additionally, an exhibit of George Cooke's paintings
and reception will be held at the Alabama State Council on the Arts in
Montgomery.

Registration fee for the two day conference is $25, and tickets to the
historic dinner will also be $25.

For further information, contact Pratt Celebration at 334-365-9981 or P.O.
Box 680896, Prattville, AL 36068-0896.

Co-sponsors include the Alabama Humanities Foundation, Auburn University
Center for Arts and Humanities and the Blount Foundation.



Allen Cronenberg

On Wed, 02 Dec 1998 20:51:13 -0500 kbyrd@... wrote:

> From: kbyrd@...> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 20:51:13
-0500
> Subject: [alabamahistory] Re: Natives
> To: alabamahistory@onelist.com
>
> From: kbyrd@...
>
> Nahfiza Ahmed wrote:
> >
> > From: Nahfiza Ahmed <N.Ahmed@...>
> >
> > Hello there,
> >
> > I am not from Alabama but from the UK. I have however
made
> > many visits to Mobile for my research and to visit my
> > relatives and to eat delicious Gulf Coast food.
> >
> > Nahfiza Ahmed
> > Dept. of History
> > University of Southampton
> > Highfield
> > Southampton SO17 1BJ
> > Tel: +44 1703 592239
> >
> >
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> Well I am just checking my mail and looks like Jill isn't
the only one
> from out of the county. Nahfiza is too. I can't believe
this. This is
> really neat. What kind of research do you do Nahfiza? I
have been to
> Mobile I think that it is beautiful. I love the food.
too.
> Kathy
>
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Dear Kathy,

I am researching the civil rights movement in Mobile from
1925 to 1985 and am very close to finishing up my PhD thesis
on this topic. I hope to teach in Alabama one day but in the
mean time must put up with our wet, cold weather here in the
UK!

Nahfiza (Ms, sometimes difficult to tell from my name)

fyi--aj wright [alabamahistory moderator]

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H-NET BOOK REVIEW
Published by H-SHGAPE@... (December, 1998)

Daniel Letwin.  _The Challenge of Interracial Unionism:  Alabama
Coal Miners, 1878-1921_.  Chapel Hill:  University of North Carolina
Press, 1998.  xii + 289 pp.  Tables, notes, bibliography, and index.
$49.95 (cloth), ISBN 0-8078-2377-5; $19.95 (paper), ISBN
0-8078-4678-3.

Reviewed for H-SHGAPE by Richard Greenwald
<greenwra@...>, State University of New York, College at
Morrisville

           Race and Class in the Alabama Coal Fields

Daniel Letwin's new book, _The Challenge of Interracial Unionism_,
joins a growing list of recent works which address in new and
sophisticated ways the issues of race and class consciousness in
American labor history.[1] Letwin tackles a venerable subject in
American labor history:  mining.  The debates surrounding race and
the United Mine Workers were stimulated by Herbert Gutman's noted
1968 essay.  Gutman argued that the United Mine Workers Union was a
beacon of hope in the rough sea of racism that was America in the
Gilded Age.  The union developed an interracial philosophy that
privileged class consciousness over race consciousness.  The core of
his argument concerned the career of one black UMW official, Richard
Davis.[2]

Twenty years after Gutman's essay first appeared, and three years
after his death, Herbert Hill wrote a scathing rejoinder.  Claiming
that Gutman had romanticized the UMW, Hill argued that it was
fundamentally racist, accepting black members but doing little for
them.[3]

Letwin's book is a full and careful study of this significant and
contested subject.  Rather than simply re-evaluating the source
which both Gutman and Hill relied upon, Letwin examined the lives,
communities, and culture of black and white miners in the Southern
fields.  As a result, Letwin rejects the views of both Gutman and
Hill, and instead offers a third way to view the complex
relationship between race and class in Gilded Age and Progressive
Era America.

The central question for Letwin is "what was the degree of
cooperation and mutual respect between black and white miners" (p.
3)?  He sees three interrelated themes in the experiences of Alabama
miners:  an awareness that racial division worked against miners of
both races in dealing with mine operators;  black and white miners
shared a common work culture and class identity; and lastly, the
unions and community organizations held onto certain key aspects of
white supremacy as a means to inoculate themselves against the
attacks of white supremists.

The book can be neatly divided into three parts\eras, each with its
own unique focus:  Gilded Age, Progressive Era, and World War I.
Politics played an important part for miners in the Gilded Age. Here
we are treated to a discussion of the history of greenbackism,
populism, the Knights of Labor, and the National Labor Union in the
coal camps of Alabama.  In this section of the book, Letwin connects
politics and work culture much like Leon Fink did in his work on the
Knights.  All of these political\labor groups shared one key factor:
they "kept alive an ethos of labor mutuality that tested the dual
traditions of employer paternalism and white supremacy" (p. 67).
Like many other unions, the Knights died because it failed to stay
connected to the needs of rank-and-file workers.  It became too much
of a political party and functioned less and less as a union.

With the hardening of the Jim Crow system of segregation after 1900,
politics would provide less and less of a solution. Prudently, the
newly-formed UMW focused almost entirely on work-related solutions.
In an effort to hold together their fragile union, mine union
officials resisted efforts to use race against them by denying that
they sought social equality for blacks.  Letwin argues that the UMW
used white supremacy as a way to deflect criticism of the unions
interracialism.  Thus, both Hill and Gutman were correct:  the union
was both racist and supported interracialism.  The UMW-led strikes
in 1903 and again in 1908 demonstrate two things.  One was the
strength of the operators to break the union. Even more significant,
miners held onto their interracial strategies even at the expense of
losing the strike.  Miners were somehow different.  Unlike other
white workers, white miners did not abandon their black brothers for
higher wages.  Miners did not accept a two-tier, racially divided
work force.

World War I brought yet another change.  Two significant groups
outside of the workplace entered into the miners' world:
middle-class black "up-lifters" and the federal government.  On the
role of government intervention, Letwin's work reinforces the work
of Joseph McCartin, focusing on how government intervention both
limited and empowered workers during the war.  On the role of the
black middle-class, Letwin might have over reached.  He presents a
static, unified black middle class which followed the teaching of
Booker T. Washington and therefore opposed unions and supported the
paternalism of the companies.  Recent work on the role of black
middle-class reformers in the Progressive Era tells a much more
complicated story.  It is possible that all of Birmingham's black
middle class spoke with one unified voice, but it is unlikely.[4]

The core argument is simply that interracialism survived.  It
certainly did not triumph, but neither did it fully die.  And that
is remarkable, considering the array of powerful forces against it
in the era of Jim Crow.  Miners' interracialism was "uneven" (p.
94).  Its unevenness, a subject that Letwin exhausts with a mountain
of evidence, lays to rest the Gutman-Hill debate.  The UMW held
neither the racial high or low ground, but positioned itself between
the two polls, never reaching either extreme.  Letwin develops the
fitting metaphor of "an ongoing project" (p.  130) to understand the
"collaboration between the races" (p. 134).  The miners'
interracialism was always in the state of becoming.

But considering the forces against interracialism, one must ask how
it survived as long as it did.  The answer, according to Letwin, is
that a "common class experience among black and white miners
provided the impetus to interracialism" (p. 192).  Letwin argues
that workers could share a similar class experience while at the
same time holding divergent racial outlooks.

Each section of this book presents remarkable detail.  In this
regard, Letwin has certainly followed Gutmans style in telling
little stories, the small details that make social history come
alive.  The result is a well-told, complex history that deserves a
wide reading.

Notes

[1].  The list is quite large and growing.  See Roger Horowitz,
_"Negro and White, Unite and Fight":  A Social History of Industrial
Unionism in Meatpacking, 1930-1990_ (Urbana:  University of Illinois
Press, 1997); and Judith Stein, _Running Steel, Running American:
Race, Economic Policy, and the Decline of Liberalism_ (Chapel Hill:
University of North Carolina Press, 1998).

[2].  Herbert G. Gutman, "The Negro and the United Mine Workers of
America, the Career and Letters of Richard L. Davis and Something of
Their Meaning:  1890-1900," in _The Negro and the American Labor
Movement_, edited by Julius Jacobson (New York:  Anchor Books,
1968), 49-127.

[3].  Herbert Hill, "Myth-Making as Labor History:  Herbert Gutman
and the United Mine Workers of America," _Politics, Culture and
Society_ 2:2 (Winter 1988), 132-200.

[4].  On labor and World War I see Joseph McCartin, _Labor's Great
War:  The Struggle for Industrial Democracy and the Origins of
Modern American Labor Relations, 1912-1921_ (Chapel Hill: University
of north Carolina Press, 1997).  On the role of black middle-class
professionals during the late-nineteenth and early twentieth
centuries, see the work of Stephanie J. Shaw, _What a Woman Ought to
Be and to Do:  Black Professional Women Workers During the Jim Crow
Era_ (Chicago:  University of Chicago, 1996)  and Elizabeth
Lasch-Quinn, Black Neighbors:  Race and the Limits of Reform in the
American Settlement House Movement, 1890-1945_ (Chapel Hill:
University of North Carolina Press, 1993).

         Copyright (c) 1998 by H-Net, all rights reserved.  This work
         may be copied for non-profit educational use if proper
         credit is given to the author and the list.  For other
         permission, please contact H-Net@....

>From: kbyrd@...
>
>> I live in Virginia, right outside of DC.  I went to grad. school at UAB
>> (two years) in Birmingham, and I found that I had picked up an interest in
>> the state.  I got lucky in that I became friends with someone who also was
>> interested in state history, and we ended up exploring the state from
>> Muscle Shoals to the forts of Dauphin Island.  Whenever I get back (about
>> once a year or so) I try to make a trip to Cahawba/Cahaba to see how the
>> restoration is going, and random side trips to places like Horseshoe Bend.
>>
>> To try and keep my chops in shape, at the moment I am mowing through
>> "Alabama--The History of a Deep South State".
>
>OK Dean from the looks of this list. I think that we're the only ones in
>the United States. I always thought that I was just weird that I was
>studying states on my own and now I find all you cool peopel on here and
>I don't feel so weird anymore. So what interesting facts has everybody
>found out about Alabama.

...That many people had a hissy-fit when "Alabama--History of a Deep South
State" came out since it had more references to Werner von Braun than Bear
Bryant?  Again with the football...

Actually, I remember when I first traveled to Birmingham when I started
grad. school, I was constantly surprised that Birmingham was a real city,
and not just a collection of shotgun shacks with Bubbas out on the porch
wearing overalls with no shoes, drinking from a jug of hootch.  Nice city.

Which reminds me <Question for the group>:  If George Wallace hadn't blocked
Interstate highway funding in and around Birmingham, do you think that
Birmingham could have challenged Atlanta for supremacy in the Southeast?
-
Dean C.

>This is a great! I don't think that any of us are from Alabama.

I'm a native, about as native as you can get. My family came to Alabama in
1819.

Carmel Thomaston
carmel@...

I am a native also.  My family came to Alabama in the 1850's.  I recently
returned after 16 years in various other states.

-- Della

At 01:44 PM 12/4/98 EST, Carmel wrote:
>I'm a native, about as native as you can get. My family came to Alabama in
>1819.
>

For those subscribers outside the state [or even current residents!] who would
like to do some virtual touring of various places in Alabama, try the links at:

http://www.anes.uab.edu/birmingham_links.htm

which will lead you to a number of sites in Birmingham and elsewhere around the
state [some are even historical!]. Please keep in mind that this listing was
designed for use by our faculty/residents/staff and for p.r. purposes for
faculty/residents/staff we are recruiting, so I have made no attempt to be
exhaustive....suggestions for additional links welcome...have a good weekend
everyone!

A.J. Wright, MLS   [alabamahistory moderator]
Dept of Anesthesiology Library
School of Medicine
University of Alabama at Birmingham

Hey ya'll.
My name is Joey Browder, and since all the discussion about natives is
going on, I thought I'd share a few lines. I, being a native and
resident of Alabama, am beginning to feel like a minority on the list.
(just kidding) I agree with Kathy, this is great. I learned of the list
from the H-South list, of which I am also a subscriber.

I am an educator at Warrior Academy in Eutaw, Alabama and am currently
working on my master's degree in history at the University of West
Alabama in Livingston. I have greatly enjoyed the list and the
discussions concerning the history of my home state.
If I can be of any further assistance please don't hesitate to ask.
contact me at kim_and_joeyb@....
Joey

AJ Wright wrote:
>
> From:         AJ Wright <MEDS002@...>
>
> For those subscribers outside the state [or even current residents!] who would
> like to do some virtual touring of various places in Alabama, try the links
at:
>
> http://www.anes.uab.edu/birmingham_links.htm
>
> which will lead you to a number of sites in Birmingham and elsewhere around
the
> state [some are even historical!]. Please keep in mind that this listing was
> designed for use by our faculty/residents/staff and for p.r. purposes for
> faculty/residents/staff we are recruiting, so I have made no attempt to be
> exhaustive....suggestions for additional links welcome...have a good weekend
> everyone!
>
> A.J. Wright, MLS   [alabamahistory moderator]
> Dept of Anesthesiology Library
> School of Medicine
> University of Alabama at Birmingham
>
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Thanks AJ
I used alot of these sights and enjoyed visiting them.
Kathy

I suppose we should note this week's anniversary: December 14, 1819, Alabama
  was admitted as the 22nd U.S. state...

Is everyone too busy with the holidays to post about Alabama history?? :)


A.J. Wright//alabamahistory moderator...

Yesterday we realized that it passed us by unnoticed this year at the State
Archives.  In previous years we have sometimes had little celebrations with a
birthday cake or something.  In 1994 we had a public birthday party for the
175th anniversary.  First Lady Marsha Folsom cut the cake and foundations
documents of the state, such as the 1819 Constitution were on display.  I
suppose we were all too busy to take notice this year.  That's a shame.  By the
way, in 1999 look for a new feature coming to a local Alabama newspaper, radio
station, or the Archives website, "This Week in Alabama History."  That should
help us remember these important events.  I'll send more info by the first of
the year.  Happy Holidays.

Debbie Pendleton
Assistant Director for Public Services
Alabama Department of Archives and History
PO Box 300100
Montgomery, AL   36130
dpendlet@...
http://www.archives.state.al.us

Debbie...I sent your response to my post from OneList, but the version I
  received via my alabamahistory subscription was empty..did other list members
  get Debbie Pendleton's interesting reply on this subject?

By the way Debbie, do you need any medical items for the Archives' "This Week
in Alabama History" feature? And perhaps those could be posted here each week?

A.J. Wright//alabamahistory moderator

There will be no messages distributed to alabamahistory between Dec 20 and 28..
..feel free to send messages if you wish and I will release them on the 28th..

Happy Holidays, everyone!--aj wright//moderator

I am just beginning some research on the clean up of Phenix City in 1954 that
lead to the assassination of Attorney General Patterson.

My recently deceased Grandmother was a friend of the Attorney General and was
quite knowledgeable about the whole situation.  Unfortunately, I never got her
memories of those days on paper so I am going to have to do some research that I
hope will be the basis for a scholarly article eventually.

I recently had a chance encounter with a lawyer who was a state prosecutor sent
by the Governor to clean up the mess and he gave me some info but unfortunately
did not get his name.

I would appreciate any suggestions, ideas or leads that anyone might give me as
to where I might look.  I am just beginning and have thought about the usual
avenues, but any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Skip
jsfreeman@...

Dear Skip:
      I am forwarding your message to our reference staff who can provide
information about the Phenix City records that we have available.
Sincerely,

Debbie Pendleton
Assistant Director for Public Services
Alabama Department of Archives and History
PO Box 300100
Montgomery, AL   36130
dpendlet@...
http://www.archives.state.al.us

Skip,
I believe there is a new book just out on the Phenix City story by Margaret Ann
Barnes.  I think it is being published by Mercer University Press.  You might
want to look at this source if you have not seen it.

Ed Bridges

Hello Gang!
Well one of my 1999 Goals was to get to know who all is on this list and
some things about them.
I'm not even sure that I know how many are on this list.
So I thought that maybe we could tell some things that we have planned
for the New Year and some stuff about ourselves and all of that. We have
probably already done all of this once but I thought that it wouldn't
hurt to do it again. It was so interesting when we were talking about
whether we were natives of ALabama or not that this would be interesting
too.
I'm Kathy and I live in Kentucky.
I have visited Alabama a few times and was very intriqued by it.
I started reading books about it and books set there there is so much
history there that I really got interested in it. I was thrilled to find
this list.
I am a paralegal and my goal for the year is to get more organized and
to keep my car organized. I always have a terrible messy car.
One of my Christmas presents was the backseat organizer.
Kathy

Hi Kathy:

Thought that your idea for sharing info about our interests in Alabama history
and our goals for 1999 was great so I thought that I would weigh in as well.

I was born and raised in Virginia, but spent a lot of time in Alabama as a
child.  My grandparents, also natives of Virginia, lived in Alabama throughout
the 1950s and 1960s.  I have many happy memories of visiting my grandparents who
had a summer house on Lake Martin.  My Grandmother was a friend of Attorney
General Patterson, who was murdered during the clean up of Phenix City ("Sin
City") in 1954.  I have gotten interested in the history of that event and that
whole post WWII period.

I am an older college student, having dropped out of college to work in banking
for several years.  So my 1999 resolutions have to do with going back to school,
which I will do in January, and getting really organized, as well as getting
more serious about my weightlifting goals.  Would appreciate talking with anyone
who has any information to share about postwar Alabama history.

Skip

jsfreeman@... wrote:
>
> From: <jsfreeman@...>
>
> Hi Kathy:
>
> Thought that your idea for sharing info about our interests in Alabama history
and our goals for 1999 was great so I thought that I would weigh in as well.
>
> I was born and raised in Virginia, but spent a lot of time in Alabama as a
child.  My grandparents, also natives of Virginia, lived in Alabama throughout
the 1950s and 1960s.  I have many happy memories of visiting my grandparents who
had a summer house on Lake Martin.  My Grandmother was a friend of Attorney
General Patterson, who was murdered during the clean up of Phenix City ("Sin
City") in 1954.  I have gotten interested in the history of that event and that
whole post WWII period.
>
> I am an older college student, having dropped out of college to work in
banking for several years.  So my 1999 resolutions have to do with going back to
school, which I will do in January, and getting really organized, as well as
getting more serious about my weightlifting goals.  Would appreciate talking
with anyone who has any information to share about postwar Alabama history.
>
> Skip
>
>

Hi Skip,
My husband used to teach high school in Bedford, Virginia.

A banker. I do title searches for a law firm for mortgages. So if you
work in the loan part you're probably familiar with that.

Kathy

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Subject: (no subject)

Can anyone on the list help with this query? Please respond directly to Ms.
Scott as well as to alabamahistory...

Happy New Year, everyone! --aj wright//alabamahistory moderator
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
	   Fri, 25 Dec 1998 22:27:50 -0500 (EST)
From: karenscott@...
Message-ID: <000101be3080$0c9cc3a0$9d01c0d1@pavilion>
To: <anesuab@...>
Subject: Alabama History Query
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 21:30:12 -0600

I was visiting my mother that lives in Georgia and she had found a clear
bottle that had Dr. Dickey's Eye Wash made into the glass and also contain=
ed
the city, Eufaula, Alabama.  Being from Eufaula and have never heard of a
Dr. Dickey curiousity has begun to dig deep.

I have searched fervently through the net and haven't been able to locate
any information on this.  Do you have any information on my mysterious Dr.
Dickey?

I have a collection of several bottle and have never come across this name
before.  Searched the Eufaula Archives and could not find anything.

Can you help?

Karen




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Pebble Hill Program Announcement

The Auburn University Center for Arts and Humanities will host a reception
on Thursday, January 7th at 4:00 p.m. for author Leah Atkins and book
designer Faith Nance whose book "John M. Harbert III: Marching to the Beat
of a Different Drummer" has recently been published.

Leah Atkins, the first director of the Auburn University Center for Arts
and Humanities, is a noted Alabama historian.  Faith Nance is an
established graphics artist.

John Harbert became a prominent Birmingham engineer, businessman and
philanthropist who maintained close ties to Auburn University from which he
graduated in 1946.

A reception will follow the brief remarks by Atkins and Nance.  Copies of
"John M. Harbert III" will be available for purchase and signing.

The Auburn University Center for Arts and Humanities is located at Pebble
Hill, 101 Debardeleben St., Auburn, AL.  For further information, call
(334)-844-4946.



Auburn University Center for Arts and Humanities
Pebble Hill
Auburn, AL 36849-5637
334-844-4948 (voice)
334-844-4949 (fax)
croneat@...

Once again I have a forwarded message...please respond to Ms. Taylor directly
as well as alabamahistory...aj wright
----------------------------Original message----------------------------

Several weeks ago someone started a discussion of why persons from other =
states were interested in Alabama history.  I am a genealogical =
librarian specializing in northeast Texas.  But when I do my own =
genealogy, I find that most of my ancestors have spent a goodly portion =
of their lives in northern Alabama, eastern Tennessee, western South =
Carolina and Georgia.  While I have had fairly good luck locating vital =
records, grave sites, war records, etc., I still want to know what these =
people were truly like.  In other words, what were the living conditions =
when and where they existed?

Many, though not all, were Unionists during the Civil War.  One even =
fought for the Confederacy at Donelton, was taken prisoner, released at =
Vicksburg where he signed the Oath of Allegiance, made his way back to =
DeKalb County, Alabama, and joined the Union Army.  Another served with =
the First Tennessee and Alabama Vidette Cavalry guarding the railroad =
from Stevenson to Huntsville until he was discharged with an unknown =
illness.  Still another broke his leg and was discharged from the =
Confederate Army as being unfit for service. =20

My question is:  Can anyone suggest sources that describe living =
conditions in this area from 1863-1870?  I have searched the Southern
Claims Commissions Records with some success.  Are there any published
journals, diaries, letters?  Any ideas where to locate unpublished
manuscripts of this era?

Thanks in advance for your suggestions.  If you ever need to know about
the northeast Texas area, I'll be glad to try to help.  Incidently, the
surnames were CARR, SAMPLEY, COLEY, SEAY, and ARNOLD.

Carol Taylor
cthistory@...