Hi there,

It looks as if it is in KwaZuluNatal, the Zulu tribe. Hope it helps.

 

On 9/1/08, L McLachlan <bhslibsco@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Help required. Anyone got any clues as to where this photo may have been taken going by the African tribesmen in the photo?

Any suggestions gratefully received.

 

L McLachlan

On 1 Sep 2008 at 16:53, L McLachlan wrote:

> Help required. Anyone got any clues as to where this photo may have been taken
> going by the African tribesmen in the photo?
>   Any suggestions gratefully received.

As others have said, they look Zulu, from the shape of the shields.


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Hello,

I'm trying to find more information regarding the Hampshire family who
lived in Northern Rhodesia, near the Old Drift and Livingstone,
sometime between 1902 - 1920. They had traveled up from Cape Town
through Kimberley.

The father's name may have been Alfred Hampshire, from Oldham,
Lancashire, England, and his wife was Eva (maiden name unknown).
Alfred was a veteran of the Second Boer War, having fought for the
British, although I have yet to find any official documents to confirm
this. Alfred apparently owned a butcher shop on the opposite side of
Victoria Falls Village and was a friend of Percy M. Clark, author of
"An Autobiography of an Old Drifter".

At least four of Alfred and Eva's sons died young, including one named
Harold, and were apparently all buried in a pioneer grave in
Livingstone among 10 other people. I'm told this event is mentioned in
Clark's book but I do not have a copy so I can't say for certain.

Their surviving children were Wilfred George, Alfred Albert Victor,
Lily, Beatrice, May and Violet. Wilfred was possibly born on the way
to Rhodesia, circa 1902, maybe in Kimberley.

After living some years in Northern Rhodesia they eventually moved
back to Cape Town.

Any help you might be able to provide would be greatly appreciated.

All the best,
Craig

I've been to the old drift cemetery but not seen any Hampshires there. (I have
photos of the gravestones I saw.) I'll have a look through my books some time
soon.

Anton

--- On Sat, 18/10/08, craiggsheldon <cgsheldon@...> wrote:

> From: craiggsheldon <cgsheldon@...>
> Subject: [afgen] Hampshire family (Cape Town and Northern Rhodesia)
> To: afgen@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, 18 October, 2008, 11:00 PM
> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to find more information regarding the
> Hampshire family who
> lived in Northern Rhodesia, near the Old Drift and
> Livingstone,
> sometime between 1902 - 1920. They had traveled up from
> Cape Town
> through Kimberley.

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

I can't see anything in my books (apart from general information on the old
drift), but these people seem to have a full list of burials there, if you can
get access, or pay the fee

http://www.sog.org.uk/index.shtml

You might also try the great north road site, though it seems to be having some
problems

All the best,
Anton


--- On Sat, 18/10/08, craiggsheldon <cgsheldon@...> wrote:

> From: craiggsheldon <cgsheldon@...>
> Subject: [afgen] Hampshire family (Cape Town and Northern Rhodesia)
> To: afgen@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, 18 October, 2008, 11:00 PM
> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to find more information regarding the
> Hampshire family who
> lived in Northern Rhodesia, near the Old Drift and
> Livingstone,
> sometime between 1902 - 1920. They had traveled up from
> Cape Town
> through Kimberley.
>
> The father's name may have been Alfred Hampshire, from
> Oldham,
> Lancashire, England, and his wife was Eva (maiden name
> unknown).
> Alfred was a veteran of the Second Boer War, having fought
> for the
> British, although I have yet to find any official documents
> to confirm
> this. Alfred apparently owned a butcher shop on the
> opposite side of
> Victoria Falls Village and was a friend of Percy M. Clark,
> author of
> "An Autobiography of an Old Drifter".
>
> At least four of Alfred and Eva's sons died young,
> including one named
> Harold, and were apparently all buried in a pioneer grave
> in
> Livingstone among 10 other people. I'm told this event
> is mentioned in
> Clark's book but I do not have a copy so I can't
> say for certain.
>
> Their surviving children were Wilfred George, Alfred Albert
> Victor,
> Lily, Beatrice, May and Violet. Wilfred was possibly born
> on the way
> to Rhodesia, circa 1902, maybe in Kimberley.
>
> After living some years in Northern Rhodesia they
> eventually moved
> back to Cape Town.
>
> Any help you might be able to provide would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> All the best,
> Craig
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi Anton,

Thank you anyway for taking the time to look; I'll follow-up on your
suggestions.

Craig

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Craig -

Check out my infrequently updated blogspot here

http://a-brickwall.blogspot.com/

I've uploaded some of the Livingstone photos I have and I'll be adding more bits
and pieces in days to come on the old drift

Regards
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Hello Craig

I read the old drifter book over the weekend - no Hampshires, sorry. I will post
the names I did find somewhere one of these days soon

I did find a photo of a shop in another book - might have been a butcher's shop,
but whatever it was it didn't mention Hampshire. It may have previously been
owned by Hampshire if your story is true. See my bloggy thing (more like an
online notepad really). I'll add the names from the old drifter book there too,
probably over the holidays

Happy Christmas!

http://a-brickwall.blogspot.com/2008/08/old-drift-livingstone.html

Regards
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--- On Wed, 22/10/08, craiggsheldon <cgsheldon@...> wrote:

> From: craiggsheldon <cgsheldon@...>
> Subject: [afgen] Re: Hampshire family (Cape Town and Northern Rhodesia)
> To: afgen@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, 22 October, 2008, 1:54 PM
> Hi Anton,
>
> Thank you anyway for taking the time to look; I'll
> follow-up on your
> suggestions.
>
> Craig
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Somewhere way down the list of URLs, the Zambian Archives at last...

http://www.zambiarchives.org/index.html

I hope to visit in mid January. Charges apply, so I may not do many visits. It
remains to be seen what will be easily searchable, but I am willing to have a go
if anyone wants a lookup

Anton

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On 19 Mar 2009 at 17:02, LINDA MARTIN wrote:

> Hi:
>  
> I have posted this message on two lists, so apologies to anyone that might
> receive it twice!   I knew my grandmother Kate Laura WALLER was born in South
> Africa in 1883, but now the English 1911 census is out I now know she was born
> in Rhodesia.  Her parents went to S.A. sometime between 1881 and 1883.   Any
> suggestions as to where I could find a possible baptism for her and her
> brother (born 1885)?  Her father, a blacksmith, died between 1885 and 1888,
> when the family returned to England.  Any ideas where he might have been
> working?  How I could find a burial for him?   Any thoughts as to why the
> family might have gone to Rhodesia particularly?  Any passenger lists
> available for that time?   Thank you.   Linda

See if you can get hold of a book called "Pioneers of Rhodesia" by E.C.
Tabler.

At the time you mention there was no place called "Rhodesia". There were
territories called Mashonaland and Mataberleland. The latter was ruled by
Lobengula, and he also claimed to rule large parts of Mashonaland, though it
was a somewhat dubious claim.

Tabler's book tries to give information about all the adult male foreigners
known to have visited the area before it became known as Rhodesia, so it
might make mention of your great grandfather if he was there.

I'm crossposting this to the African genealogy list as well.

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In response to a recent query on the South Africa list about someone recorded
in the 1911 UK census as having been born in "Rhodesia" in the 1880s, I
reccomended E.C. Tabler's book "Pioneers of Rhodesia"

Here is more information about it:

Tabler, Edward C. 1966. Pioneers of Rhodesia. Cape Town: Struik.
                    Biographies of adult male foreigners who
                    visited Zimbabwe before the establishment of
                    company rule in the 1890s. Includes
                    biographical information of Frederick Green,
                    Reuben Beningfield and others.

Since it was published before 1970 there is no ISBN, but a Google search for
"Tabler Rhodesia" should find information about second-hand copies etc,

The name "Rhodesia" for what is now Zimbabwe only ceme into general use in
the 1890s, after Rhodes's pioneer column entered the territory, but in the
1911 UK censuses it would not be surprising that people who had been born
there even before that would refer to it as "Rhodeis, isince that was what it
was called in the UK in 1911.

Before 1890 what is now called Zimbabwe was known to outsiders as
Matabeleland and Mashonaland. Matabeleland, in the south west, was ruled by
the Ndebele King Lobnengula, whose father Mzilikazi (alias Moselikatse) had
invaded and conquered it in the 1840s after being driven out of the Transvaal
by a combined force of Voortrekkers, Grikquas and others.

Before 1840 the country was inhabited by people known to outsiders as Shona
or Mashona, who spoke related languages and dialects that have since been
standardised in written form.

Foreigners who visited the area before 1890 were mostly huinters and traders.
There were a few Christian missionaries at the court of Lobengula. Lobengula
was not interested in their religious message, but found them useful as
diplomatic agents and sources of firearms. Some missionaries (like David
Livingstone) opassed through on their way to other places. These missionaries
were mostly from the London Missionary Society, originally
interdenominational, but later largely Congregational. Its successor is the
Council for World Mission, whose web site is:

http://www.cwmission.org.uk/

so if you have missionary ancestors, ask about their archives.

The hunters and traders mostly sold European manufactured goods to the local
people -- knives, axes, firearms, cooking utensils, clothing and blankets and
sometimes alcoholic liquor etc in exchange for ivory, cattle and the like.
They also hunted elephants on their own account.

It was their reports of gold mines that excited the interest of Cecil Rhodes
and his mining magnate friends. The hunters and traders generally knew little
of mining, however, and did not realise that the mines they saw were largely
worked out. They had supported the prosperity of the Mwene Mutapa state a few
centuries earlier, and the exhaustion of the gold mines probably contributed
to its decline.

The hunters and traders lived a wandering life, like gipsies, travelling from
place to place in ox wagons, and occasionally going to towns in what is now
South Africa to sell their ivory and replenish their stocks of imported
goods. The more literate and literary among them contributed articles  papers
to geographical societies and journals (it was mostly these that Tabler used
as sources), for example the "Cape Monthly Magazine". If they were married,
their children were home schooled, and were sometimes baptised en masse on
visits to towns in South Africa, or to mission stations such as those at the
court of Lobengula. If the children got sick, or suffered accidents, there
were only home remedies. There was no "Rescue 911" on call. Some survived
childhood accidents and illnesses (falling off wagons, snakebite, being gored
by oxen, being burnt in fires etc) and others did not.

They came from a variety of backgrounds. Some were shady characters, on the
run from the law in their own countries. Some were in search of adventure or
outdoor life. A few came from wealthy families and had independent means.
They were the "sportsmen" -- those who enjoyed shooting wild animals, not so
much to make a living, but because they regarded it as entertainment. And
most probably fell into it as a way of making a living and carried on doing
it because they managed to survive that way.

So children listed in a UK census in 1911 as having been born in "Rhodesia"
in the 1880s were most probably born to parents who lived that kind of life.

One of the better-known of the "sportsman" variety with independent means and
wealthy families is Frederick Selous - see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Selous

Tabler's book also, however, documents those of humbler origins, about whom
less is known.

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Follwing discussions of E.C. Tabler's book "Pioneers of Rhodesia" (mostly on
the South Africa list), I not that E.C. Tabler wrote another book, "Pioneers
of South West Africa and Ngamiland", which is a kind of sequel. He has more
information about some of the same people, and includes a whole lot more
people as well.

I have a copy of that one, and can do lookups if anyone would like me to.

Bear in mind that, like the Rhodesia one, it deals with the PRE-COLONIAL
period, that is, before Germany began colonising what is now Namibia.

I do not have facilities to scan pages, however.




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have two members of my family who ventured to South Africa and I am having
the
worst time trying to locate any detail for my records. I really need help
with
this lot. I will begin with the eldest brother of my maternal grandmother and
the scandal that made it impossible for me to gain even the vaguest of leads,
"We do NOT discuss such matters!" with the note of finality that makes a
genalogist weep for lost stories.

My grandmother, Madeleine, was an upper-class Londoner raised in an
extremely strict Victorian manner. Her elder brother, Maudslay BAYNES was
born
in 1881 in London, the eldest child of Herbert Morton Walker BAYNES & Isabel
JACKSON. Herbert wrote some 265 papers for religious institutions and several
extremely highbrow books, also on religion. This is probably why three of
their children rebelled, two being banished to South Africa, the third, my
Grandmother being forced to marry her lower class lover and never receiving a
penny of the amassed fortune. Ah, the upper class and their high morals,
would
they survive today, I wonder?

Back to the story in hand...

Supposedly Maudslay attended one of major colleges but I can find no record
of
him at Oxford University where he allegedly absconded with funds from the
Social Club. I am assured that he merely borrowed the moneys and truly did
intend to replace it all before he was caught!!! The social embarressment
this
caused my Grandmother's family must have been just intolerable because
Maudslay was promptly packed off to South Africa "to a relative" to re-adjust
his life etc. etc.

Maudslay got bored with being a Remission man and started trecking the
countryside. He became the first man to map the KUNENE River, from the
Ruacana Falls to the Coastal Desert in 1911. The Germans of Zessfontein were
so impressed with his feat that they named the great & unknown mountainous
range in his honor, hence the BAYNES Mountains can be located on the Kunene
River in Namibia.

Thanks to a distant relative in London I am able to quote from a magazine
story by Randolph Vigne of London who wrote of my Great Uncle when giving his
opinion on a book by L.G.Green, "Lords of the Last Frontier" 1952.

"Maudslay described the place as..."Gloomy and forbidding though it be, the
wild Kunene has a rugged beauty and a clamant attraction where for a hundred
leagues the tortured river writhes and boils through desert mountains to the
sea; sanctuary of the mighty pachyderms, of moon shadows on falling water,
and
silent mountains under a field of stars."

I somehow feel that the love for this place made up for his hasty departure
from the grey misery and stench of London!

My question is what record is there and where do I locate proof of such a
feat? I have found the South African Encyclopedia which has a short paragraph
about Maudslay. This should be enough for my records but I crave more. What
shipping details would be available for a 1911 voyage? Is there other
landmarks, hotels, schools, a town or something built in his honour? How do
the South African history books refer to the BAYNES Mountains? Can anyone
tell
me where to look to gain further insight into the travels of this elusive
Great-Uncle????

Best regards,
Michelle Kahler, North Ipswich, QLD, Aust.

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On 25 Apr 2009 at 9:41, fairygrandma wrote:

> My grandmother, Madeleine, was an upper-class Londoner raised in an
> extremely strict Victorian manner. Her elder brother, Maudslay BAYNES was born
> in 1881 in London, the eldest child of Herbert Morton Walker BAYNES & Isabel
> JACKSON. Herbert wrote some 265 papers for religious institutions and several
> extremely highbrow books, also on religion. This is probably why three of
> their children rebelled, two being banished to South Africa, the third, my
> Grandmother being forced to marry her lower class lover and never receiving a
> penny of the amassed fortune. Ah, the upper class and their high morals, would
> they survive today, I wonder?

I see that you wrote about this here 10 years ago, but didn't get much
response.

I looked in Google, but only found a number of articles about a hydroelectric
project proposed for the Baynes Mountains.

> Supposedly Maudslay attended one of major colleges but I can find no record of
> him at Oxford University where he allegedly absconded with funds from the
> Social Club. I am assured that he merely borrowed the moneys and truly did
> intend to replace it all before he was caught!!! The social embarressment this
> caused my Grandmother's family must have been just intolerable because
> Maudslay was promptly packed off to South Africa "to a relative" to re-adjust
> his life etc. etc.
>
> Maudslay got bored with being a Remission man and started trecking the
> countryside. He became the first man to map the KUNENE River, from the
> Ruacana Falls to the Coastal Desert in 1911. The Germans of Zessfontein were
> so impressed with his feat that they named the great & unknown mountainous
> range in his honor, hence the BAYNES Mountains can be located on the Kunene
> River in Namibia.

That would be a REMITTANCE man, not a remission man. A remission man is one
who gets let off his prison sentence early.

> Thanks to a distant relative in London I am able to quote from a magazine
> story by Randolph Vigne of London who wrote of my Great Uncle when giving his
> opinion on a book by L.G.Green, "Lords of the Last Frontier" 1952.

Can you give any details about the article - title, date, name of
publication? And the gist of what he said?

I will copy this to the African genealogy forum, since it relates to Namibia
rather than South Africa, and though Namibia was at one time ruled by South
Africa, this appears to be before that time. You can find more about the
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I find it interesting because my wfte had ancestors who were in what is now
Namibia, though before this time, so their paths would probably not have
crossed Maudeslay's.


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Date sent:       Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:33:01 +1200
Subject:         [SOUTH-AFRICA] Rhodesian Rebellion 1896/7 - Mashonaland
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The London Gazette Issue 26954 published on the 5 April 1898. Pages 2203 to
2208. http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/search-by-number

N.B.-these lists refer only to Mashonaland and do not include casualties in
Matabeleland.

List of Casualties (White Men) During the Mashonaland Rising

Summary of Casualties to the 31st December, 1897:-

List of Persons Reported Murdered or Missing.
Note. - In the following list of murdered and missing no hope is entertained
for any of those returned as missing. All bodies that have been found have
been buried. Civilians, 114; Local Forces, 3; Imperial Troops, 1; B.S.A.
Police 1-Total, 119

IRELAND, George, about June 21, 1896, Lomogondi District, Prospector,
believed
to have been murdered at the Eureka Mine. JAMESON, Arthur John, about June
21,
1896, Lomogondi District, Mining Commissioner, believed to have been murdered
at M.C.'s Camp, Lomogondi. JOUBERT, J., about June, 1896, Salisbury District.
KEATINGE, Frank, June 18, 1896, Lomogondi District, Corporal M.M.P., murdered
at Gwebe River, real name was Frank Gilbert Keating JACKSON. KERR, June 20,
1896, Lomogondi District, Prospector KOEFOED, S., June 16, 1896, Salisbury
District, Prospector, murdered at the Beatrice Mine by 'Mslopa people, body
thrown down well. LAW, Horace, about June 20, 1896, Salisbury District,
Storekeeper, murdered near N.C. Campbell Farm; body, supposed to be his,
found
July 25, 1896 MCCULLUM (Captain), William, June 25, 1896, Lomogondi District,
Telegraph Constructor, murdered at his camp, Matatima. MCGOWAN, James, June
21, 1896, Lomogondi District, Prospector, murdered at or near Deary's Store.
METCALF, Samuel, about June 20, 1896, Headlands, Trader; body found August
20,
1896, at Nedziwi's Kraal. MICHELL, William Walton, Trooper, B.S.A.P., lost on
veldt, Hartley District, July 31, 1897. MILTON, William, about June 20, 1896,
Salisbury District, Transport Rider, body found, Umtali Road, August 3, 1896.
MOORE, John, about June 20, 1896, Salisbury District, Storekeeper, body found
near Umtali telegraph line on August 3, 1896. MYNHARDT, A. G. F., June 21,
1896, Lomogondi District, Native Commissioner, murdered at his camp; body,
supposed to be his, found October 30, 1896 MOONY, David Enraght, June 15,
1896, Hartley District, Native Commissioner, murdered at Mashangombi's Kraal;
body recovered and buried, July, 1897. NELSON, Thomas, about June 20, 1896,
Hartley District, Prospector, believed to have been murdered near Umswezwe's
Kraal. NOBLE, Andrew, about June 20, 1896, Abercorn District, last heard of
May 22. NORTON, Joseph Norton, about June 17, 1896, Salisbury District,
Farmer, murdered at or near his farm Porta; body found. NORTON, Caroline,
about June 17, 1896, Salisbury District, wife of above, murdered at or near
his farm Porta; body found. NORTON, Dorothy, about June 17, 1896, Salisbury
District; daughter of above, murdered at or near his farm Porta; body found.


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