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#71 From: afgen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue Apr 1, 2008 3:17 pm
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This is just a reminder about the African genealogy and family history
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#72 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
Date: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:42 am
Subject: Who do you know?
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It’s now what you know but who you know they say — well, who do you know?

My wife was watching a TV programme called Human Footprint the other day,
which had all kinds of information about what we consume and produce from the
cradle to the grave. For example, if all the farts the average person
produces over a lifetime were collected and set alight, they would produce a
35000 litre fireball.

One of the more interesting statistics was that the average person knows 1750
people in their lifetime — that is, people they can remember within 2 years
of having met them.

I thought it might be interesting to try to list the ones that I’ve known:
where I know them from, how I met them, and what I can remember about them.
Family, friends, teachers, work colleagues, acquaintances, people one meets
on courses and conferences, and so on.

So far I’ve managed to list 144, and the target of 1750 seems a long way off.
I wonder how they arrived at that figure. But it’s been quite fun. Many of
the people I’ve listed I haven’t seen for years, and I’ve no idea what
happened to them. Some people one can find out more about by a Web search —
and, interestingly enough, Google is not necessarily the best search engine
for this purpose. For some people Google produced page after page of
irrelevant results, while Altavista popped up information about the person I
was looking for at the top of the list.

http://khanya.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/who-do-you-know/

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#73 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
Date: Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:03 am
Subject: Who do you know?
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It’s now what you know but who you know they say — well, who do you know?

My wife was watching a TV programme called Human Footprint the other day,
which had all kinds of information about what we consume and produce from the
cradle to the grave. For example, if all the farts the average person
produces over a lifetime were collected and set alight, they would produce a
35000 litre fireball.

One of the more interesting statistics was that the average person knows 1750
people in their lifetime — that is, people they can remember within 2 years
of having met them.

I thought it might be interesting to try to list the ones that I’ve known:
where I know them from, how I met them, and what I can remember about them.
Family, friends, teachers, work colleagues, acquaintances, people one meets
on courses and conferences, and so on.

So far I’ve managed to list 144, and the target of 1750 seems a long way off.
I wonder how they arrived at that figure. But it’s been quite fun. Many of
the people I’ve listed I haven’t seen for years, and I’ve no idea what
happened to them. Some people one can find out more about by a Web search —
and, interestingly enough, Google is not necessarily the best search engine
for this purpose. For some people Google produced page after page of
irrelevant results, while Altavista popped up information about the person I
was looking for at the top of the list.

http://khanya.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/who-do-you-know/

--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: shayes@...
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     Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727

#74 From: Anton Dil <mecdiluk@...>
Date: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:49 pm
Subject: daybreak in livingstonia
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I was all ready to post some data from this book when I thought, why not do a search first...and found

http://digilib.bu.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2144/700/daybreakinliving011984mbp.txt?sequence=1

So, my job is done. :-)

Lots of names here, including various people stationed at Livingstonia mission in Malawi, and lots of others involved on the way, including a Donald Munro (not sure if this is related to the Dr Munro somebody asked about before)

Anton


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#75 From: afgen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu May 1, 2008 1:59 pm
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This is just a reminder about the African genealogy and family history
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If you haven't yet done so, visit the forum web page at:

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#76 From: afgen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun Jun 1, 2008 3:16 pm
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This is just a reminder about the African genealogy and family history
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One of the things you can do there is choose between the "New and improved" and
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I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU OPT FOR THE "TRADITIONAL" FORMAT.

The "new and improved" format inserts extraneous HTML codes into messages, which
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#77 From: afgen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2008 3:15 pm
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This is just a reminder about the African genealogy and family history
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#78 From: afgen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri Aug 1, 2008 2:40 pm
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This is just a reminder about the African genealogy and family history
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I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU OPT FOR THE "TRADITIONAL" FORMAT.

The "new and improved" format inserts extraneous HTML codes into messages, which
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#79 From: afgen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon Sep 1, 2008 1:00 pm
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This is just a reminder about the African genealogy and family history
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If you haven't yet done so, visit the forum web page at:

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Another thing you can do on the web page is edit your membership.

One of the things you can do there is choose between the "New and improved" and
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I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU OPT FOR THE "TRADITIONAL" FORMAT.

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readers, because that is a protection against spam, phishing and virus messages.


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#80 From: L McLachlan <bhslibsco@...>
Date: Mon Sep 1, 2008 3:53 pm
Subject: Photo query
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Help required. Anyone got any clues as to where this photo may have been taken going by the African tribesmen in the photo?
Any suggestions gratefully received.




#81 From: "Jacqueline Wocke" <schepers42@...>
Date: Mon Sep 1, 2008 4:11 pm
Subject: Re: Photo query
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Hi there,
It looks as if it is in KwaZuluNatal, the Zulu tribe. Hope it helps.
 

 
On 9/1/08, L McLachlan <bhslibsco@...> wrote:

Help required. Anyone got any clues as to where this photo may have been taken going by the African tribesmen in the photo?
Any suggestions gratefully received.

 





#82 From: L McLachlan <bhslibsco@...>
Date: Mon Sep 1, 2008 4:15 pm
Subject: Re: Photo query
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Hi Jacqueline, many, many thanks for this. Will help me track down my grandfather who I believe to have been a railway engineer.
Linda McLachlan

Jacqueline Wocke <schepers42@...> wrote:
Hi there,
It looks as if it is in KwaZuluNatal, the Zulu tribe. Hope it helps.


 
On 9/1/08, L McLachlan <bhslibsco@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Help required. Anyone got any clues as to where this photo may have been taken going by the African tribesmen in the photo?
Any suggestions gratefully received.

 







L McLachlan


#83 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
Date: Fri Sep 5, 2008 8:34 am
Subject: Re: Photo query
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On 1 Sep 2008 at 16:53, L McLachlan wrote:

> Help required. Anyone got any clues as to where this photo may have been taken
> going by the African tribesmen in the photo?
>   Any suggestions gratefully received.

As others have said, they look Zulu, from the shape of the shields.


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#84 From: afgen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Oct 1, 2008 2:42 pm
Subject: File - monthly.txt
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This is just a reminder about the African genealogy and family history
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If you haven't yet done so, visit the forum web page at:

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I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU OPT FOR THE "TRADITIONAL" FORMAT.

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#85 From: "craiggsheldon" <cgsheldon@...>
Date: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:00 pm
Subject: Hampshire family (Cape Town and Northern Rhodesia)
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Hello,

I'm trying to find more information regarding the Hampshire family who
lived in Northern Rhodesia, near the Old Drift and Livingstone,
sometime between 1902 - 1920. They had traveled up from Cape Town
through Kimberley.

The father's name may have been Alfred Hampshire, from Oldham,
Lancashire, England, and his wife was Eva (maiden name unknown).
Alfred was a veteran of the Second Boer War, having fought for the
British, although I have yet to find any official documents to confirm
this. Alfred apparently owned a butcher shop on the opposite side of
Victoria Falls Village and was a friend of Percy M. Clark, author of
"An Autobiography of an Old Drifter".

At least four of Alfred and Eva's sons died young, including one named
Harold, and were apparently all buried in a pioneer grave in
Livingstone among 10 other people. I'm told this event is mentioned in
Clark's book but I do not have a copy so I can't say for certain.

Their surviving children were Wilfred George, Alfred Albert Victor,
Lily, Beatrice, May and Violet. Wilfred was possibly born on the way
to Rhodesia, circa 1902, maybe in Kimberley.

After living some years in Northern Rhodesia they eventually moved
back to Cape Town.

Any help you might be able to provide would be greatly appreciated.

All the best,
Craig

#86 From: Anton Dil <mecdiluk@...>
Date: Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:49 am
Subject: Re: Hampshire family (Cape Town and Northern Rhodesia)
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I've been to the old drift cemetery but not seen any Hampshires there. (I have
photos of the gravestones I saw.) I'll have a look through my books some time
soon.

Anton

--- On Sat, 18/10/08, craiggsheldon <cgsheldon@...> wrote:

> From: craiggsheldon <cgsheldon@...>
> Subject: [afgen] Hampshire family (Cape Town and Northern Rhodesia)
> To: afgen@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, 18 October, 2008, 11:00 PM
> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to find more information regarding the
> Hampshire family who
> lived in Northern Rhodesia, near the Old Drift and
> Livingstone,
> sometime between 1902 - 1920. They had traveled up from
> Cape Town
> through Kimberley.

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#87 From: Anton Dil <mecdiluk@...>
Date: Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:32 am
Subject: Re: Hampshire family (Cape Town and Northern Rhodesia)
mecdiluk
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I can't see anything in my books (apart from general information on the old
drift), but these people seem to have a full list of burials there, if you can
get access, or pay the fee

http://www.sog.org.uk/index.shtml

You might also try the great north road site, though it seems to be having some
problems

All the best,
Anton


--- On Sat, 18/10/08, craiggsheldon <cgsheldon@...> wrote:

> From: craiggsheldon <cgsheldon@...>
> Subject: [afgen] Hampshire family (Cape Town and Northern Rhodesia)
> To: afgen@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, 18 October, 2008, 11:00 PM
> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to find more information regarding the
> Hampshire family who
> lived in Northern Rhodesia, near the Old Drift and
> Livingstone,
> sometime between 1902 - 1920. They had traveled up from
> Cape Town
> through Kimberley.
>
> The father's name may have been Alfred Hampshire, from
> Oldham,
> Lancashire, England, and his wife was Eva (maiden name
> unknown).
> Alfred was a veteran of the Second Boer War, having fought
> for the
> British, although I have yet to find any official documents
> to confirm
> this. Alfred apparently owned a butcher shop on the
> opposite side of
> Victoria Falls Village and was a friend of Percy M. Clark,
> author of
> "An Autobiography of an Old Drifter".
>
> At least four of Alfred and Eva's sons died young,
> including one named
> Harold, and were apparently all buried in a pioneer grave
> in
> Livingstone among 10 other people. I'm told this event
> is mentioned in
> Clark's book but I do not have a copy so I can't
> say for certain.
>
> Their surviving children were Wilfred George, Alfred Albert
> Victor,
> Lily, Beatrice, May and Violet. Wilfred was possibly born
> on the way
> to Rhodesia, circa 1902, maybe in Kimberley.
>
> After living some years in Northern Rhodesia they
> eventually moved
> back to Cape Town.
>
> Any help you might be able to provide would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> All the best,
> Craig
>
>
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>
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>
>
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#88 From: "craiggsheldon" <cgsheldon@...>
Date: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:54 pm
Subject: Re: Hampshire family (Cape Town and Northern Rhodesia)
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Hi Anton,

Thank you anyway for taking the time to look; I'll follow-up on your
suggestions.

Craig

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#90 From: Anton Dil <mecdiluk@...>
Date: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:36 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Hampshire family (Cape Town and Northern Rhodesia)
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Craig -

Check out my infrequently updated blogspot here

http://a-brickwall.blogspot.com/

I've uploaded some of the Livingstone photos I have and I'll be adding more bits
and pieces in days to come on the old drift

Regards
Anton

#91 From: Vicki Spell <dixie102450@...>
Date: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:37 pm
Subject: (No subject)
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Hi!  My name is Vicki and I am new to the group.  I am researching my Canning genealogy.  My grandmother, Edith Margaret Elizabeth Canning was born in Capetown on 7-26-1898.  The birth record I have from St. George's lists her parents as William Francis Canning and Edith Margaret Vickerman Canning living at 8 Nicol St.  I know they travelled a lot between England and South Africa.  These were my grandmother's siblings:
Thelma Narcissus, b. 3-23-1900, London - stayed in England - Married Victor Lewis/child, Irene
William Francis, b. 3-23-1902, London* - married Kate ?/children Ruby, Iris...
Nora Sylvia, b. 1909, Capetown** - married A. Patterson/child, Joan
George Albert Jenkins, b. 12-1911, Cardiff*** - married Edith ?/children David, Diana
Helen Elizabeth Rosa, b. 1913
Clement Charles Alexander Leonard Cavanaugh Canope, b. 11-30-1915, Cardiff**** - married Sally ?/children, Stratford, Barrymore,Clive
*lived at 99 Kloof St., Capetown in 1971
**lived in Greytown at some point
***lived in Umtata at some point
****lived in Capetown at some point
My great-grandfather was in the Cape Field Artillery and Welsh Horse.  He was mortally wounded at Gallipoli and died 6 mos later on 12-19-1916 at Netley Military Hospital in England.  My great-grandmother died on 10-9-1938, in Capetown, as a result of lightning strike or electrocution. I would love to know where she is buried. 
 
On the 1901 England census, my great-grandmother lists "South Africa Partel" as her birth location.  I cannot find anything on this location.
 
Vicki


#92 From: afgen@yahoogroups.com
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#93 From: afgen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon Dec 1, 2008 2:48 pm
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This is just a reminder about the African genealogy and family history
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#94 From: Anton Dil <mecdiluk@...>
Date: Wed Dec 24, 2008 8:55 am
Subject: Re: Re: Hampshire family (Cape Town and Northern Rhodesia)
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Hello Craig

I read the old drifter book over the weekend - no Hampshires, sorry. I will post
the names I did find somewhere one of these days soon

I did find a photo of a shop in another book - might have been a butcher's shop,
but whatever it was it didn't mention Hampshire. It may have previously been
owned by Hampshire if your story is true. See my bloggy thing (more like an
online notepad really). I'll add the names from the old drifter book there too,
probably over the holidays

Happy Christmas!

http://a-brickwall.blogspot.com/2008/08/old-drift-livingstone.html

Regards
Anton


--- On Wed, 22/10/08, craiggsheldon <cgsheldon@...> wrote:

> From: craiggsheldon <cgsheldon@...>
> Subject: [afgen] Re: Hampshire family (Cape Town and Northern Rhodesia)
> To: afgen@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, 22 October, 2008, 1:54 PM
> Hi Anton,
>
> Thank you anyway for taking the time to look; I'll
> follow-up on your
> suggestions.
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> Craig
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#95 From: afgen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu Jan 1, 2009 1:25 pm
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#96 From: Anton Dil <mecdiluk@...>
Date: Sat Jan 3, 2009 10:33 am
Subject: Zambian Archives
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Somewhere way down the list of URLs, the Zambian Archives at last...

http://www.zambiarchives.org/index.html

I hope to visit in mid January. Charges apply, so I may not do many visits. It
remains to be seen what will be easily searchable, but I am willing to have a go
if anyone wants a lookup

Anton

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Date: Sun Feb 1, 2009 2:12 pm
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#98 From: afgen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun Mar 1, 2009 1:22 pm
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#99 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
Date: Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:43 am
Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Rhodesia
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On 19 Mar 2009 at 17:02, LINDA MARTIN wrote:

> Hi:
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> I have posted this message on two lists, so apologies to anyone that might
> receive it twice!   I knew my grandmother Kate Laura WALLER was born in South
> Africa in 1883, but now the English 1911 census is out I now know she was born
> in Rhodesia.  Her parents went to S.A. sometime between 1881 and 1883.   Any
> suggestions as to where I could find a possible baptism for her and her
> brother (born 1885)?  Her father, a blacksmith, died between 1885 and 1888,
> when the family returned to England.  Any ideas where he might have been
> working?  How I could find a burial for him?   Any thoughts as to why the
> family might have gone to Rhodesia particularly?  Any passenger lists
> available for that time?   Thank you.   Linda

See if you can get hold of a book called "Pioneers of Rhodesia" by E.C.
Tabler.

At the time you mention there was no place called "Rhodesia". There were
territories called Mashonaland and Mataberleland. The latter was ruled by
Lobengula, and he also claimed to rule large parts of Mashonaland, though it
was a somewhat dubious claim.

Tabler's book tries to give information about all the adult male foreigners
known to have visited the area before it became known as Rhodesia, so it
might make mention of your great grandfather if he was there.

I'm crossposting this to the African genealogy list as well.

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#100 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
Date: Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:33 am
Subject: Rhodesia
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In response to a recent query on the South Africa list about someone recorded
in the 1911 UK census as having been born in "Rhodesia" in the 1880s, I
reccomended E.C. Tabler's book "Pioneers of Rhodesia"

Here is more information about it:

Tabler, Edward C. 1966. Pioneers of Rhodesia. Cape Town: Struik.
                    Biographies of adult male foreigners who
                    visited Zimbabwe before the establishment of
                    company rule in the 1890s. Includes
                    biographical information of Frederick Green,
                    Reuben Beningfield and others.

Since it was published before 1970 there is no ISBN, but a Google search for
"Tabler Rhodesia" should find information about second-hand copies etc,

The name "Rhodesia" for what is now Zimbabwe only ceme into general use in
the 1890s, after Rhodes's pioneer column entered the territory, but in the
1911 UK censuses it would not be surprising that people who had been born
there even before that would refer to it as "Rhodeis, isince that was what it
was called in the UK in 1911.

Before 1890 what is now called Zimbabwe was known to outsiders as
Matabeleland and Mashonaland. Matabeleland, in the south west, was ruled by
the Ndebele King Lobnengula, whose father Mzilikazi (alias Moselikatse) had
invaded and conquered it in the 1840s after being driven out of the Transvaal
by a combined force of Voortrekkers, Grikquas and others.

Before 1840 the country was inhabited by people known to outsiders as Shona
or Mashona, who spoke related languages and dialects that have since been
standardised in written form.

Foreigners who visited the area before 1890 were mostly huinters and traders.
There were a few Christian missionaries at the court of Lobengula. Lobengula
was not interested in their religious message, but found them useful as
diplomatic agents and sources of firearms. Some missionaries (like David
Livingstone) opassed through on their way to other places. These missionaries
were mostly from the London Missionary Society, originally
interdenominational, but later largely Congregational. Its successor is the
Council for World Mission, whose web site is:

http://www.cwmission.org.uk/

so if you have missionary ancestors, ask about their archives.

The hunters and traders mostly sold European manufactured goods to the local
people -- knives, axes, firearms, cooking utensils, clothing and blankets and
sometimes alcoholic liquor etc in exchange for ivory, cattle and the like.
They also hunted elephants on their own account.

It was their reports of gold mines that excited the interest of Cecil Rhodes
and his mining magnate friends. The hunters and traders generally knew little
of mining, however, and did not realise that the mines they saw were largely
worked out. They had supported the prosperity of the Mwene Mutapa state a few
centuries earlier, and the exhaustion of the gold mines probably contributed
to its decline.

The hunters and traders lived a wandering life, like gipsies, travelling from
place to place in ox wagons, and occasionally going to towns in what is now
South Africa to sell their ivory and replenish their stocks of imported
goods. The more literate and literary among them contributed articles  papers
to geographical societies and journals (it was mostly these that Tabler used
as sources), for example the "Cape Monthly Magazine". If they were married,
their children were home schooled, and were sometimes baptised en masse on
visits to towns in South Africa, or to mission stations such as those at the
court of Lobengula. If the children got sick, or suffered accidents, there
were only home remedies. There was no "Rescue 911" on call. Some survived
childhood accidents and illnesses (falling off wagons, snakebite, being gored
by oxen, being burnt in fires etc) and others did not.

They came from a variety of backgrounds. Some were shady characters, on the
run from the law in their own countries. Some were in search of adventure or
outdoor life. A few came from wealthy families and had independent means.
They were the "sportsmen" -- those who enjoyed shooting wild animals, not so
much to make a living, but because they regarded it as entertainment. And
most probably fell into it as a way of making a living and carried on doing
it because they managed to survive that way.

So children listed in a UK census in 1911 as having been born in "Rhodesia"
in the 1880s were most probably born to parents who lived that kind of life.

One of the better-known of the "sportsman" variety with independent means and
wealthy families is Frederick Selous - see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Selous

Tabler's book also, however, documents those of humbler origins, about whom
less is known.

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