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#124 From: afgen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 11:55 am
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#125 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
Date: Sat Dec 5, 2009 7:37 am
Subject: South African genealogy - frequently asked questions
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If you are a newcomer to South African genealogy, you may have a
lot of questions. Here are some answers to some of the most
frequently asked questions:

WHERE'S THE BEST PLACE TO BEGIN?

If you're asking this on the Internet, presumably you have access
to a web browser, and one of the best places to begin with South
African genealogy is right here:

http://home.global.co.za/~mercon/

WHERE CAN I FIND SOUTH AFRICAN CENSUS RECORDS?

The short answer is: You can't. South African census returns are
routinely destroyed after statistical information has been
abstracted, so South African genealogists don't use them.

WHAT DO SOUTH AFRICAN GENEALOGISTS USE THEN?

One of the best places to begin is the records of deceased
estates. These usually have a Death Notice, which should (but
sometimes doesn't) give you the names of the parents, spouse and
children of the deceased, or if the deceased was unmarried, the
names of brothers and sisters. They have the wills, if any
(except in the Cape, where wills and estate accounts have been
filed separately from death notices in the older estates), and
the estate accounts. The older ones are in the archives and have
computer indexes, and you can search the indexes on the web here:

http://www.national.archives.gov.za/naairs_content.htm

but be sure to read the introduction and explanatory text before
searching.

WHERE CAN I FIND SOUTH AFRICAN SHIPPING LISTS?

First, they are not a good place to start looking. They are
incomplete, and all over the place. If you want to know if some
relative went to South Africa and died here, look in the deceased
estates, not the shipping lists. In most cases, shipping lists
are a last resort, or a means of providing "filler" information
to round out the family history. Secondly, if you do want to try
shipping lists, you need to know where your ancestor came from,
and roughly when. If the answer is Germany 1859, the shipping
lists have been published (Werner Schmidt-Pretoria, _Deutsche
Auswanderung nach Sued-Afrika im 19 Jahrhundert_). Some other
shipping lists have also been published, but they are
fragmentary.

If you are looking for ancestors who emigrated to Southern Africa
in the period 1890-1925, one possible source is _South Africa_
magazine. This was published in London. The Johannesburg Public
Library and the National Library in Tshwane have incomplete runs.
The US Library of Congress has a fairly complete collection. You
could try other libraries too. They published lists of passengers
embarking at British ports for South Africa, and embarking at
South African ports for the UK (and sometimes other places).
_South Africa_ magazine is a useful source, if you can find it,
as it also has birth, marriage and death announcements, and other
personal news, usually of the richer members of society.

Some of these have been transcribed by Ellen Stanton, and can be
seen here:

http://www.genealogyworld.net/ellen/shipping/index.html

Some other passenger lists and other useful stuff are available
at:

http://www.genealogyworld.net/

WHERE CAN I FIND WILLS OR PROBATE RECORDS?

With the deceased estates. See:

http://www.national.archives.gov.za/naairs_content.htm

I did a search on the archives: what do the funny things like
DEPOT and VOLUME mean?

See the warning above: Be sure to read the introduction and
explanatory text before searching. If you didn't, go here now:

http://www.national.archives.gov.za/fields.htm

HOW DO I GET A BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

With some difficulty. First, to apply for one, you need to know
the information you probably want to get from the certificate.
That's Catch 22. Catches 1-21 are almost as bad. Birth cer-
tificates are expensive. They take a long time to get. The
indexes are not open to the public so you can't ask someone else
to look them up. For more information, and applications forms,
see:

http://www.home-affairs.gov.za/

The good news is that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day
Saints (LDS, Mormons) has microfilmed some of the registers, so
that if you want the information in the register, as opposed to
an official certificate, you can try there.

If you want to know what the LDS has, go to their web site:

http:// www.familysearch.com
   or
http://www.familysearch.org ,

Click on LIBRARY, click on FAMILY LIBRARY HISTORY CATALOGUE,
click on PLACE NAME enter South Africa
Click on Civil Registration Click on HERE right at the bottom so
you have a printable copy.

HOW DO I GET A MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE?

Marriage certificates are of little use to genealogists in South
Africa. They do not give the names and occupations of parents.
They are as difficult to get as birth certificates.

For more information on getting marriage certificates see:

http://www.home-affairs.gov.za/

Your best chance of seeing a marriage certificate, however, is if
the couple got divorced, and you find a copy in the divorce
records. SOME divorce records are in the archives, and you can
find them here:

http://www.national.archives.gov.za/naairs_content.htm

The archival references to divorces will sometimes speak of
"illiquid cases" or "opposed applications", and sometimes there
will be both. Make sure you order the right ones. They can be
quite useful. Sometimes you can really get the dirt on your
ancestors from these things - private detectives' reports on how
many times they committed adultery, where and with whom, for
example. Also, names and ages of minor children and who got the
custody.

If you still want a marriage certificate (or birth certificate),
you need to apply to the Department of Home Affairs, Private Bag
X114, Pretoria, 0001. Before they can issue a certificate, they
usually want to know the kind of information you probably hope to
get from the certificate. Marriages were registered nationally
from 1923 to 1976, and after 1994. Between 1976 and 1994 some
"homeland" marriages may have been registered separately. Before
1923 registrations were in the different provinces, and before
1910 in the different colonies. Before 1902 it was in the
different republics and colonies. You still apply to the same
place, but bear in mind that older registers are kept in the
archives, and for a certificate to be written they have to be
transferred from the archives to the Department of Home Affairs
and then returned. This can take a long time.

Also check the information above under "Birth Certificates" on
how to find out if any of the marriage registers have been
filemed by the LDS Church.

Before about 1895 in many places marriages were only recorded in
church registers.

The situation is a lot more complex than described above, and the
complexities are things you can ask about on the list, but the
general description should give you some idea of the kind of
questions that might be worth asking.

WHERE CAN I FIND CHURCH RECORDS?

With difficulty. There are well over 8000 separate religious
denominations in South Africa, and many people change
denominations 3 or more times during their lives. People move to
a new town, and join a new denomination or religion, or become
agnostics or atheists. The records of these denominations are all
over the place too. Some of the older and larger denominations
have centralised their records, but most have not. They are kept
in local churches and can be damaged or destroyed by damp, acid
paper or ink, insects, mice, fire or flood, or simply being
tossed out in an over-zealous clean-up. Some of the smaller
denominations keep very poor records. Forged marriage cer-
tificates are common, especially in rural areas. If you know what
denomination your ancestors were, and where they were living,
when children were born or they were married, you can ask some
specific questions on the SA Genealogy list like "Where are the
Wesleyan Methodist Registers for Colesberg in the period 1860-
1880?"

But general requests for look ups in church registers without
mentioning a particular denomination, time and place are unlikely
to get a useful response.

WHERE CAN I FIND MILITARY RECORDS?

Department of Defence
DOCUMENTATION CENTRE
Private Bag X289
Pretoria
0001 South Africa

Tel 012-322-6350 ext 227
Fax 012-323-5613

The more info you can give the faster they can find details.

They have card indexes for military personnel who served in WWI
and WWII (a separate index for each war). These give the service
number, which can be used to find fuller service records.

WHERE CAN I LOOK UP THE PHONE NUMBERS OF LIVING RELATIVES?

Turn your web browser to:

http://phonebook.yellowpages.co.za/

it's the on-line phone book.

WHAT IF MY FAMILY WERE IN OTHER PARTS OF AFRICA?

Try asking on the African Genealogy mailing list -- see:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

WHAT SHOULD I DO NEXT?

Go to: http://home.global.co.za/~mercon/sagen.htm

and follow the links!

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#126 From: afgen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri Jan 1, 2010 11:48 am
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#127 From: afgen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon Feb 1, 2010 11:13 am
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#128 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
Date: Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:00 pm
Subject: Kenya query
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DARBY 1922-1948
  Researcher: Marjorie King
              Dewcoombe, E. Melbury, Shaftesbury, SP7 0DW, England
                  UK
  DARBY, Hope Darby Betty born London 1922. Kenya 1948. Seeking
  contact.
          Last updated: 10 June 1998

#129 From: afgen@yahoogroups.com
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#130 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
Date: Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:29 pm
Subject: Discoverer of Rinderpest vaccine dies
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Anyone whose ancestors were living in Africa in the 1890s will probably have
heard of the Rinderpest. In those days railways were still in their infancy,
and only connected major towns. The death of draft animals had a devastating
effect on transport and trade, as well as for people whose primary source of
food was cattle, like the Maasai of East Africa.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2010/03/22/AR2010032203525.html

WALTER PLOWRIGHT, 86

Walter Plowright, 86, dies; his cattle vaccine saved lives

By Thomas H. Maugh II, Los Angeles Times

March 23, 2010

Walter Plowright, 86, the British veterinarian who discovered a vaccine that
has almost totally eliminated the cattle disease rinderpest, died Feb. 19 in
London. No cause of death was reported.

Most Americans probably have never heard of rinderpest, a virus in the same
family as measles that causes one of the most lethal diseases in cattle. It
never established a foothold in the Americas and was eliminated from Europe
early in the 20th century, but its introduction to Africa in 1889 in cattle
shipped from India caused what some consider the most catastrophic natural
disaster ever to affect that continent.

The virus, which strikes primarily cloven-footed animals, killed nearly 90
percent of cattle in sub-Saharan Africa, along with sheep, goats, buffaloes,
giraffes and wildebeests. The loss of plow animals, herds and hunting
resulted in mass starvation that killed one-third of Ethiopia's population
and two-thirds of the Masai people in Tanzania. Subsequent outbreaks further
contributed to poverty and starvation in the region.

Dr. Plowright was a young veterinary pathologist assigned to the United
Kingdom's East African Veterinary Research Organization laboratory at
Muguga, Kenya, when he and colleague R.D. Ferris began studying the
rinderpest virus in 1956. Several groups had tried without success to
develop a weakened version of the virus that could serve as a vaccine in the
way that Edward Jenner had used a weak cowpox virus to produce a smallpox
vaccine.

Dr. Plowright decided to use the relatively new technique of growing the
virus in cells in glass tubes. After passaging the virus through nearly 100
generations of cell cultures over eight years, he and Ferris obtained a
weakened version that could provoke immunity to rinderpest but did not
produce disease. The weakened virus was inexpensive to produce and could be
grown in large quantities.

The vaccine, called tissue culture rinderpest vaccine, was quickly adopted,
but cattle growers did not initially use it for long enough and outbreaks
occurred again. One such outbreak in Nigeria resulted in more than $2
billion in losses.

In 1994, the United Nations' Food and Agriculture Organization led a global
eradication program that trained veterinarians and farmers to recognize and
control rinderpest and promoted widespread vaccinations. The last major
outbreak of the disease occurred in Kenya in 2001, and the U.N. agency is
expected to declare the virus eradicated in the wild this year. Rinderpest
and smallpox will then be the only disease viruses that have been eradicated
worldwide.

The FAO has said that the cost of the rinderpest eradication campaign was
about $3 million. That investment, the agency says, has led to an increase
of $47 billion in food production in Africa and a $289 billion increase in
India.

Dr. Plowright's technique has been adopted for other viral diseases,
including African swine fever, malignant catarrhal fever and poxviruses. In
1999, he was awarded the prestigious World Food Prize.

Walter Plowright was born July 20, 1923, in Holbeach, Lincolnshire, England.
He graduated from the Royal Veterinary College in London in 1944, served in
the Royal Army Veterinary Corps and in 1950 joined the Colonial Veterinary
Service.

Dr. Plowright is survived by his wife of 50 years, Dorothy.

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#131 From: afgen@yahoogroups.com
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#132 From: afgen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat May 1, 2010 10:19 am
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#133 From: afgen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue Jun 1, 2010 10:24 am
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This is just a reminder about the African genealogy and family history
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#134 From: "Sarah Ann" <kahakatea@...>
Date: Tue Jun 1, 2010 7:23 pm
Subject: Thomas Bailey HEATH
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A son of John Henry HEATH an 1820 settler went to the area around Johannesburg.
In his death notice filed in the Cape I discovered he had died several years
earlier. There is no death notice that I can find in the Transvaal archives. I
cannot decipher the name of the place where he supposedly died. Is there
anywhere I can look to find out possible settlements in the area pre-1857.

Sarah Fulguirinas
Christchurch, NZ. Researching HEATH, DELPORT, FOURIE< SMAL.

#135 From: afgen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu Jul 1, 2010 9:58 am
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#136 From: afgen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun Aug 1, 2010 10:40 am
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#137 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
Date: Thu Aug 5, 2010 6:43 am
Subject: US President Barack Obama related to all US presidents but one
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SALINAS, Calif. — A seventh-grader and her 80-year-old grandfather are
allegedly the first people to discover that President Barack Obama is related
to all other U.S. presidents except one.

BridgeAnne d’Avignon, who attends Monte Vista Christian School in
Watsonville, traced that Obama, and all other U.S. presidents except Martin
Van Buren, are related to John ‘Lackland’ Plantagenet, a king of England and
signer of the Magna Carta.

Read it all here:

http://www.ksbw.com/news/21404492/detail.html

President Barack Obama also has Kenyan ancestry on his father's side.



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#138 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
Date: Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:43 am
Subject: (Fwd) [SOUTH-AFRICA] Patricia MORRALL - David TAYLOR
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If anyone has information, please contact:

Eighteen-Twenty Settlers <eighteentwenty@...>

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Subject:         [SOUTH-AFRICA] Patricia MORRALL - David TAYLOR
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Hi Listers,

I have a contact who is trying to trace info on either of the above who
appear
to have gone to Zambia in the 1960s.  Can anyone help?

Info that we have is:


"maiden name Patricia Morrall
date of birth 15th May 1933 Birmingham.father Horace Morrall mother Celia
Morrall nee Roach

Patricia married a David Taylor - not sure if it was in South Africa or in
the
uk [must be SA or Zim] according to an aunt, David was something to do with
their telephone system and Patricia was a telephone operator in South Africa

The aunt said her sister moved to Rhodesia in the sixties but not sure what
year first to Bulawayo then she believes to Zambia if Patricia is alive she
would be 77 years old"

I have established that Patricia Morrall travelled on the Edinburgh Castle
from Southampton to CapeTown on 29th September 1960, and that she was single
at the time.

Does anyone know of them, or have details in their family trees?

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#139 From: "Carol" <carol_debruin@...>
Date: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:20 pm
Subject: Re: Thomas Bailey HEATH
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Hello Sarah,

Sources taken from 1820 Settlers Family Trees and Eastern Cape Families 1800 -
1900

I hope it helps in some way:

1.  John Henry HEATH 1820 [17080]

The  parents of John Henry HEATH 1820 are:

2.  Henry HEATH [17078]'s occupation was a Writer. Henry  was born about (est)
1770.



	 John's occupation was an Attorney.

	 John was born in 1794 at Bencoolen, Sumatra.

	 John and Maria Iveson ?? 1820 [14805] were married about 1816.

	 John and Maria had the following children:

3. i. John Henry (Dr) HEATH 1820 [17079] John  was born February 27, 1819. John 
was baptised March 25, 1827 at Port Alfred (Port Frances), Eastern Cape, South
Africa by Rev Thomas Ireland. John 's occupation was a Farmer in 1841 at
Mancazana Valley, Grahamstown District, Eastern Cape, South Africa. John and
Caroline OOSTHUIS [69571] were married August 23, 1841 at Fort Beaufort Chapel
(English), Fort Beaufort, Eastern Cape, South Africa by Rev George Booth. John
and Ellen THOMPSON [69570] were married. John and Judick SMAL [69572] were
married. John  died in 1889 at Tarka District, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

4. ii. Maria Cecelia HEATH [17081] was born February 26, 1821. Maria  was
baptised March 25, 1827 at Port Alfred (Port Frances), Eastern Cape, South
Africa by Rev Thomas Ireland. Maria and ?? DANIEL [16169] were married.

5. iii. Caroline Amelia HEATH [17074] was born February 21, 1823. Caroline  was
baptised March 25, 1827 at Port Alfred (Port Frances), Eastern Cape, South
Africa by Rev Thomas Ireland.

6. iv. Elizabeth Rosina HEATH [17075] was born March 18, 1825. Elizabeth  was
baptised March 25, 1827 at Port Alfred (Port Frances), Eastern Cape, South
Africa by Rev Thomas Ireland.

7. v. Mathew George Thomas HEATH [17083] was born about 1827. Mathew  was
baptised September 11, 1831 at Grahamstown Church (St George's - Anglican),
Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa by Rev William Carlisle.

8. vi. Sarah Emily HEATH [17084] was born about 1830. Sarah  was baptised
September 11, 1831 at Grahamstown Church (St George's - Anglican), Grahamstown,
Eastern Cape, South Africa by Rev William Carlisle. Sarah and Charles JOHNSON
[61531] were married January 14, 1851 by Rev John Edwards. Sarah and Charles
[61531] lived in 1853 at Vogel Rivier.

9. vii. Henry HEATH [17077] was born about 1831. Henry  was baptised September
11, 1831 at Grahamstown Church (St George's - Anglican), Grahamstown, Eastern
Cape, South Africa by Rev William Carlisle.

10. viii. Thomas Bailie HEATH [17085] was born about 1832. Thomas  was baptised
July 15, 1832 at Grahamstown Church (St George's - Anglican), Grahamstown,
Eastern Cape, South Africa by Rev William Carlisle.

11. ix. Mary Angelina HEATH [17082] was born about 1845. Mary  was baptised
December 3, 1845 at Grahamstown Church (St George's - Anglican), Grahamstown,
Eastern Cape, South Africa by Rev John Barrow.

	 John lived in 1819 at 44 Mincing Lane, London, England.

	 John's occupation was a Notary between 1827 and 1832 at Port Alfred (Port
Frances), Eastern Cape, South Africa.

	 John's occupation was an Attorney at Law in 1844 at Grahamstown, Eastern Cape,
South Africa.

	 John died February 4, 1845 at Port Alfred (Port Francis) or Grahamstown,
Eastern Cape, South Africa.

ND Nash has 1845
Monumental inscriptions says 1815 but aged 51. This age would not tie in with
his birth date.

	 John was buried at Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
******************************************
Regards Caroline - Belgium



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> A son of John Henry HEATH an 1820 settler went to the area around
Johannesburg. In his death notice filed in the Cape I discovered he had died
several years earlier. There is no death notice that I can find in the Transvaal
archives. I cannot decipher the name of the place where he supposedly died. Is
there anywhere I can look to find out possible settlements in the area pre-1857.
>
> Sarah Fulguirinas
> Christchurch, NZ. Researching HEATH, DELPORT, FOURIE< SMAL.
>

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#143 From: "claudv" <claudv@...>
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Hi all

I was pointed in this group's direction from the SA Rootsweb list.

I've just started researching my father's line and have already hit a brick wall
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- she was adopted through the Catholic Church in Cape Town at the age of 10
months in 1910 and the department of Home Affairs has her birth year as 1912
with only her adoptive parents' details.

For many years she often said that as a baby, she came to South Africa via
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cannot find any reference detailing a migration out of Europe in the early
1900s.  Does anyone know of any migration where women and children were
evacuated out of Europe to Africa via Namibia?

Any help is much appreciated.

regards

Claudine

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On 15 Nov 2010 at 14:16, claudv wrote:

> I've just started researching my father's line and have already hit a brick
> wall with his mother, my grandmother.
>
> I have tried to obtain a full birth certificate but am strugglingfor two
> reasons - she was adopted through the Catholic Church in Cape Town at the age
> of 10 months in 1910 and the department of Home Affairs has her birth year as
> 1912 with only her adoptive parents' details.
>
> For many years she often said that as a baby, she came to South Africa via
> Namibia.  Now I've looked online and spoken to a few ammateur historians but
> cannot find any reference detailing a migration out of Europe in the early
> 1900s.  Does anyone know of any migration where women and children were
> evacuated out of Europe to Africa via Namibia?

One possibility might be to look at the records of the Catholic Church in
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#145 From: Claudine van Wyk <claudv@...>
Date: Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:59 am
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Thank you Steve I will give this a try.


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On 15 Nov 2010 at 14:16, claudv wrote:

> I've just started researching my father's line and have already hit a brick
> wall with his mother, my grandmother.
>
> I have tried to obtain a full birth certificate but am strugglingfor two
> reasons - she was adopted through the Catholic Church in Cape Town at the age
> of 10 months in 1910 and the department of Home Affairs has her birth year as
> 1912 with only her adoptive parents' details.
>
> For many years she often said that as a baby, she came to South Africa via
> Namibia.  Now I've looked online and spoken to a few ammateur historians but
> cannot find any reference detailing a migration out of Europe in the early
> 1900s.  Does anyone know of any migration where women and children were
> evacuated out of Europe to Africa via Namibia?

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Namibia, but if she was baptised there, it may have been with a different
name.


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#148 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
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#150 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
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Extract from a blog post, a book review:

A Time To Mourn (A personal account of the the 1964 Lumpa Church revolt by
John Hudson). My copy is from Bookworld Publishers, Lusaka, 1999.

The episode in Northern Rhodesian history is well known and there are several
accounts in print.

In 1953 the Lumpa Church was founded as an offshoot sect of the local
Catholic church in Chinsali district. Its founder, Alice "Lenshina" (Regina)
Lubusha , was "a failed catechumen" according to this account.

Something happened to Alice: an illness, a vision, a hallucination perhaps,
in which she believed she had died and risen from the dead four times, and
had seen God. After a period in which she remained in her original church,
during which perhaps all the trouble might have been avoided, she established
a breakaway church with a focus on confession of witchcraft. (Of course,
failure to confess might mean guilt. This may have contributed to the quick
rise in her church membership.) Crucially, also, the church was against
participation in politics or membership of political parties, and this would
ultimately lead to conflict and bloodshed. The time, of course, was leading
up to the independence of Zambia, and UNIP members were militant. In the
final stages, roughly two months before independence in October 1964, the
army moved in on Lumpa Church settlements.

The Lumpa church members were not only suspicious of outsiders and political
party members, but openly hostile. There had been skirmishes and a few deaths
and reprisals before the real massacres began. Lumpa church members stopped
sending their children to school. In addition, the church had defied local law
and set up villages without permission of local chiefs. This disregard and i
solation led to suspicion and aggression. Animosity had grown between church
members and UNIP supporters.

Kenneth Kaunda certainly tried to avert the crisis, but perhaps at that point
things had gone too far. An agreement brokered by KK was drawn up for church
settlements to disperse, but this was not honoured or enforced. The church began
to develop end-time tendencies, believing that their time on earth was short.
They stopped cultivating food and had to resort to raids on neighbouring
  villages instead.

The Lumpa church members were mostly armed with sharp sticks, spears and pangas,
whilst the Northern Rhodesia Regiment (NRR) were armed with automatic rifles. In
spite of there having been a couple of causalities on the army side (mainly
during their attempts to negotiate) there was no contest in the end. As many as
a thousand Lumpas were killed. With independence approaching, the ki
llings did not perhaps receive the kind of attention that they might have done
in less tense circumstances. The government was more concerned with preparation
for independence. However, the authorities concerned are left looking pretty
bad, in my opinion.

Surprisingly, after such a disastrous event and although Alice was sent to
prison and died a mysterious death in 1978 under house arrest, the Lumpa
(excelling/exceeding) church still survives today.

I came across some quite horrific footage on-line, of an attack on a Lumpa
Church, I believe the main church building, judging by its size. Why this
footage was shot and how it has survived to see the light of day are a
mystery to me. One would imagine it would have been destroyed.... These
pictures can't bring home the full horror of it. I have avoided the worst
images. The violence perpetrated against people who clearly are not
attempting to fight is completely unjustifiable.

Read the whole thing here, with pictures

http://a-brickwall.blogspot.com/2010/12/time-to-mourn-lumpa-church.html

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