If babyboomers truely promoted all the abortion being legal stuff and
homosexuality being tolerated then I say that they are a wonderful
group of people.

Of course, babyboomers do not deserve all of the credit for this
stuff, although they do deserve a lot.

For example, it was the boomer's parent's generation who actually
passed abortion being legal.  In Canada, it didn't get completely
legal until 1988.  That's NOT boomer age although I'm sure that they
had a lot of influence in that.  Liberal ideas was already
flourishing in the 1920's when Margaret Sanger and some of her
followers demanded birth control rights and the right to control
one's body.  Other liberal ideas was promoted then too.

And now, after all of the boomer's work, they never did succeed in
getting homosexuals the right to marry.  In the U.S., homosexuals
don't even have the right to keep their jobs.  I don't mind boomers
playing a part in their rights, but I sort of hope that G-d's glory
will come down and let my generation do some good in helping out the
homosexuals.  Of course, glory mostly belongs to G-d, and not any
particular generation.








--- In abortionandbabyboomers@y..., Al Lowe <chaos@a...> wrote:
> Hello cwmpage,
>
> Sunday, September 15, 2002, 7:13:47 PM, you wrote:
>
> c> Thank you for stating your points of view.  Your logic seems
> c> reasonable but it is seriously flawed.  You see, human beings
usually
> c> have a worldly view of life.  Your comments fit that paradigm.
God
> c> looks at life differently.  He has stated certain standards that
He
> c> knows are necessary for optimum success in life.  He sees things
from
> c> a different perspective than we see them.  Therefore, when we
try to
> c> substitute our views for his, we violate His word, His laws and
His
> c> sovereignty.  Many humans feels as you do but they are in
error.  To
> c> justify themselves, many of them deny the existence or reality
of
> c> God; then they can say that their opinion is just as good as
anyone
> c> else's opinion.
> c> Some things are indecent.  It is not God's will for children to
watch
> c> people involved in intimate sexual activity.  While it may seem
> c> plausable to a human being (when compared with some violent act)
it
> c> violates God's standards of decency.  So, as you can see, logic
is
> c> not a good determinant of morality.  In actuality, the best
source of
> c> morality is God.
> c> We, the Babyboomers, have promoted abortion, homosexuality,
gambling
> c> and almost every other vice one can think of.  We need to remove
our
> c> manmade halos, fall on our knees and repent.  After all, most of
us
> c> are (agewise) over the halfway mark; some are more than 3/4 of
the
> c> way across the stage of life.  It is time to repent.
>
> You of course assume that God is on the job and watching over us.  I
> personally think God is on vacation.  That, or he quit.  I've seen
no
> evidence to prove to me that he is still on the job.
>
> If abortion violates God's standards of decency, doesn't rape also
> violate this standard?  And if rape does violate his standard of
> decency, would he insist on the victim become further victimized by
> being forced to have the child of her attacker?
>
> Maybe my view is a "worldly view."  But I live in this world, not in
> heaven.  Assuming God created Man, he also gave us the gift of free
> thought.  Yet, there are those among us who would have us ignore
that
> gift.  I think THAT would violate God's standards as well.
>
> I also think that to put all or most of the blame for some of our
> current problems on Baby boomers (of which I am one) is I think
rather
> naive.  There have been several generations SINCE ours that have had
> an influence on world and national events, as well as the generation
> before ours.
>
> I, myself do not accept the blame, solely for any and all
problems.  I
> may be a part of the problem, but I am not the problem.  And if we
> work together, we can be part of the solution.
>
> One more thing, don't bother to pray for me, I was a lost cause
almost
> 40 years ago.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
>   Albert Lowe

Hello cwmpage,

Sunday, September 15, 2002, 7:13:47 PM, you wrote:

c> Thank you for stating your points of view.  Your logic seems
c> reasonable but it is seriously flawed.  You see, human beings usually
c> have a worldly view of life.  Your comments fit that paradigm.  God
c> looks at life differently.  He has stated certain standards that He
c> knows are necessary for optimum success in life.  He sees things from
c> a different perspective than we see them.  Therefore, when we try to
c> substitute our views for his, we violate His word, His laws and His
c> sovereignty.  Many humans feels as you do but they are in error.  To
c> justify themselves, many of them deny the existence or reality of
c> God; then they can say that their opinion is just as good as anyone
c> else's opinion.
c> Some things are indecent.  It is not God's will for children to watch
c> people involved in intimate sexual activity.  While it may seem
c> plausable to a human being (when compared with some violent act) it
c> violates God's standards of decency.  So, as you can see, logic is
c> not a good determinant of morality.  In actuality, the best source of
c> morality is God.
c> We, the Babyboomers, have promoted abortion, homosexuality, gambling
c> and almost every other vice one can think of.  We need to remove our
c> manmade halos, fall on our knees and repent.  After all, most of us
c> are (agewise) over the halfway mark; some are more than 3/4 of the
c> way across the stage of life.  It is time to repent.

You of course assume that God is on the job and watching over us.  I
personally think God is on vacation.  That, or he quit.  I've seen no
evidence to prove to me that he is still on the job.

If abortion violates God's standards of decency, doesn't rape also
violate this standard?  And if rape does violate his standard of
decency, would he insist on the victim become further victimized by
being forced to have the child of her attacker?

Maybe my view is a "worldly view."  But I live in this world, not in
heaven.  Assuming God created Man, he also gave us the gift of free
thought.  Yet, there are those among us who would have us ignore that
gift.  I think THAT would violate God's standards as well.

I also think that to put all or most of the blame for some of our
current problems on Baby boomers (of which I am one) is I think rather
naive.  There have been several generations SINCE ours that have had
an influence on world and national events, as well as the generation
before ours.

I, myself do not accept the blame, solely for any and all problems.  I
may be a part of the problem, but I am not the problem.  And if we
work together, we can be part of the solution.

One more thing, don't bother to pray for me, I was a lost cause almost
40 years ago.

--
Best regards,

   Albert Lowe

Thank you for stating your points of view.  Your logic seems
reasonable but it is seriously flawed.  You see, human beings usually
have a worldly view of life.  Your comments fit that paradigm.  God
looks at life differently.  He has stated certain standards that He
knows are necessary for optimum success in life.  He sees things from
a different perspective than we see them.  Therefore, when we try to
substitute our views for his, we violate His word, His laws and His
sovereignty.  Many humans feels as you do but they are in error.  To
justify themselves, many of them deny the existence or reality of
God; then they can say that their opinion is just as good as anyone
else's opinion.
Some things are indecent.  It is not God's will for children to watch
people involved in intimate sexual activity.  While it may seem
plausable to a human being (when compared with some violent act) it
violates God's standards of decency.  So, as you can see, logic is
not a good determinant of morality.  In actuality, the best source of
morality is God.
We, the Babyboomers, have promoted abortion, homosexuality, gambling
and almost every other vice one can think of.  We need to remove our
manmade halos, fall on our knees and repent.  After all, most of us
are (agewise) over the halfway mark; some are more than 3/4 of the
way across the stage of life.  It is time to repent.



--- In abortionandbabyboomers@y..., Al Lowe <chaos@a...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> First, I am not "pro-life."  Neither am I "pro-choice."  But I do
> think that women should have control over their body.  I also think
> that if it were men who carried the baby and delivered it, abortion
> would be a right of passage among men.
>
> I don't like abortion as a method of birth control.  But I don't
think
> you can blame the baby boomers for it's wide spread acceptance.  The
> presiding judges on the USSC at the time of Roe v. Wade were not
baby
> boomers.
>
> Abortion has been going on a lot longer than it has been legal.  And
> as bad as I may want to see it become illegal, I'd rather it were
legal
> so that women didn't have to resort again to back alley abortionists
> who more than likely would end up killing the mother as well as the
baby.
>
> If you want to stop abortion, the way to do it is not by making it
> illegal.  The way to do it is through education.  Teach the young
> children of today that life should be considered a precious thing.
> Not something to be ripped out and flushed down the toilet.
>
> I think we have to look at our standards for Television a lot
closer.
> Which would you rather have your children watching, a gentle, loving
> couple making love, or some psycho pathic killer mowing down people
> with a machine gun?
>
> If you ask me, we censor the wrong things on TV.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
>   Albert Lowe

No matter what a person's morals are, they are normally considered
pro-choice by many other choicers if they support abortion being
legal.  I won't call you that though.

But as for the rest of it, right on!

And you're right, it's not just boomers who made abortion legal.




--- In abortionandbabyboomers@y..., Al Lowe <chaos@a...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> First, I am not "pro-life."  Neither am I "pro-choice."  But I do
> think that women should have control over their body.  I also think
> that if it were men who carried the baby and delivered it, abortion
> would be a right of passage among men.
>
> I don't like abortion as a method of birth control.  But I don't
think
> you can blame the baby boomers for it's wide spread acceptance.  The
> presiding judges on the USSC at the time of Roe v. Wade were not
baby
> boomers.
>
> Abortion has been going on a lot longer than it has been legal.  And
> as bad as I may want to see it become illegal, I'd rather it were
legal
> so that women didn't have to resort again to back alley abortionists
> who more than likely would end up killing the mother as well as the
baby.
>
> If you want to stop abortion, the way to do it is not by making it
> illegal.  The way to do it is through education.  Teach the young
> children of today that life should be considered a precious thing.
> Not something to be ripped out and flushed down the toilet.
>
> I think we have to look at our standards for Television a lot
closer.
> Which would you rather have your children watching, a gentle, loving
> couple making love, or some psycho pathic killer mowing down people
> with a machine gun?
>
> If you ask me, we censor the wrong things on TV.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
>   Albert Lowe

Hello,

First, I am not "pro-life."  Neither am I "pro-choice."  But I do
think that women should have control over their body.  I also think
that if it were men who carried the baby and delivered it, abortion
would be a right of passage among men.

I don't like abortion as a method of birth control.  But I don't think
you can blame the baby boomers for it's wide spread acceptance.  The
presiding judges on the USSC at the time of Roe v. Wade were not baby
boomers.

Abortion has been going on a lot longer than it has been legal.  And
as bad as I may want to see it become illegal, I'd rather it were legal
so that women didn't have to resort again to back alley abortionists
who more than likely would end up killing the mother as well as the baby.

If you want to stop abortion, the way to do it is not by making it
illegal.  The way to do it is through education.  Teach the young
children of today that life should be considered a precious thing.
Not something to be ripped out and flushed down the toilet.

I think we have to look at our standards for Television a lot closer.
Which would you rather have your children watching, a gentle, loving
couple making love, or some psycho pathic killer mowing down people
with a machine gun?

If you ask me, we censor the wrong things on TV.

--
Best regards,

   Albert Lowe

What I don't understand is this.  Why is it that the RCC
excommunicates people who have abortions, but don't excommunicate
those who murder born people?  It's sounds to me that this is more
about control then it is about the sanctity of life.  I also want to
point out that this was not done until the 1800's I don't think with
the RCC.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church (2272) is clear: "Formal
cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church
attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime
against human life." As faithful Catholics see it, a vote for legal
abortion, or for the funding of abortions, constitutes formal
cooperation in the act. Thus for example, a pro-abortion Catholic
politician, and any Catholic voting for them incurs excommunication.

Canonically speaking, "formal cooperation" involves the doctor who
performs the abortion, the nurse who assists, the woman having the
abortion, the man who agrees to take his wife or girlfriend, the
person who drives the woman to the clinic. With legislators, and for
people who voted them into office, what you have is probably best
termed "material cooperation."

Why do you think that there are so many pro-choicers in the younger
generation?

Until the scourge of abortion is dethroned from
the American psyche, this nation will continue to be
plagued by our own penchant to destroy ourselves. We
should be seeking to protect life, not enshrine
death.<br><br>We, the babyboomers, are mostly responsible for the
current situation. Our generation has promoted and
protected death-by-abortion. Our generation has committed
the horrible sin of teaching younger generations that
it is allright to kill human beings. Our generation
has slighted the unborn by designating them by the
name "fetus", thus seeking to deny their inate
humanity.<br><br>Our generation has promoted and glorified death. Our
generation has inserted into school textbooks sinister
stories that show death as being a way to escape reality.
I call that "cheap death". It is cheap because it
does not take into account the reality that lies on
the other side of Time.<br><br>God uses death for His
own purposes. However, He warns that a certain
preparation must preceed death. That preparation is called
being Saved (see John Chapter 3). Those who die unSaved
(during the state of accountability) do not enjoy peace
on the other side of death.<br><br>Please pray and
ask God to help the United States Of America end its
unGodly courtship with death. Ask God to reinstate life,
happiness, peace, joy and tranquility into the daily lives
of Americans.<br><br>Please ask God to shut down the
abortion mills and end the killing of the
innocents.<br><br>Pastor
Page<br><br><br><a href=http://www.winamerica.com
target=new>http://www.winamerica.com</a><br><br><br> Copyright© 2002 Clarence
William Page

Thanks for both visiting and posting.  May the Spirit of God light your heart
and direct your steps.<br><br>Pastor Page<br><br><a
href=http://www.winamerica.com target=new>http://www.winamerica.com</a>

Excuse me. Who are you talking to? Do you talk to
the people who post in this club, or just to
yourself? <br><br>And can I ask who dreamed up the sickly
color combination for this club? It's the worst thing I
ever saw.

Has anyone visited Just The Facts .org?  It appears to have some very good
information.<br><br><a href=http://www.justthefacts.org
target=new>http://www.justthefacts.org</a><br><br><br><a
href=http://www.winamerica.com target=new>http://www.winamerica.com</a>

I believe the statistics that seem to be the
least biased. World Health Organization is concerning
health in all issues in the world, not just abortion.
It's not so much about political agenda as much as it
is education in my opinion. <br><br>The website you
provided on the other hand has an anti-abortion political
agenda. It's soley about the anti-abortion cause.

Many people have given statistics.  Which statistics do you
believe?<br><br>Please examine the statistics located at:<br><br><a
href=http://www.roevwade.org
target=new>http://www.roevwade.org</a><br><br><br>My site:<br><a
href=http://www.winamerica.com target=new>http://www.winamerica.com</a>

Human life is precious. Whether conceived in
wedlock or out of wedlock, ALL human life is precious.
God loves ALL human beings. He does not want innocent
human beings to be killed. When you abort your baby you
KILL your child.<br><br>Pastor
Page<br><br><a href=http://www.winamerica.com
target=new>http://www.winamerica.com</a>

You admitted that your first girlfriend got an
abortion with it being illegal. She nearly bled to death,
and she can't have kids. Why would you want women to
go back to those days. <br><br>And I don't think
that you should be pointing the finger at your
girlfriends for not being responsible. It sounds like you
have not been responsible yourself in that area. You
got a girl pregnant, and you didn't want to take
responsiblity unless it came in the form of an
abortion.<br><br>Canada for your information, has a lower rate for
abortion than the United States does. If you research, you
can find that out.<br><br>I think that you should
read this
link.<br><br><a
href=http://www.who.int/archives/whday/en/pages1998/whd98_10.html
target=new>http://www.who.int/archives/whday/en/pages1998/whd98_10.html</a><br><\
br>It talks about how prevalent abortion is, even
though it's illegal and how unsafe it is. <br><br>It
also talks about how countries like Canada made
abortion completely legal and the abortion rate did not go
up.<br><br>It also talks about how in the Netherlands, there is
unrestricted access to abortion and contraceptives, and yet
they have the lowest abortion rate in the entire
world.<br><br>Oh, and just so you'll know, we're in another war. I
love the U.S., but things are not looking pretty down
here lately.

<a href=http://www.who.int/archives/whday/en/pages1998/whd98_10.html
target=new>http://www.who.int/archives/whday/en/pages1998/whd98_10.html</a><br><\
br>Thank you.

And anybody else involved in helping abortion
become and stay legal.<br><br>I use to think of it, and
be offended at the idea that they were supposedly
killing my generation or something. However, I realized
that an unbelievable number of women will be having
abortions anyway. Legality just keeps two people from
dying.<br><br>It also helps women who want to leave an abusive
situation not be in even more danger of a man beating them
to death. Stats show that a woman is more likely to
be injured from DV in pregnacy. DV is currently the
number one form of homocide for women. Making abortion
illegal will make that stat go up. Then, you have parents
who might hit their pregnant children for "shaming"
them. Women and girls need a chance to protect
themselves, and they don't need to have to go through a bunch
of red legal tape.<br><br>Don't be expecting any
help from this Xer to make things go back to the
"pro-life" days because more people will die.<br><br>I am
all for helping women to have more resources so she
can keep a baby if she wants to. I say to do all that
you can in assistance. I say provide crisis centers
(that don't abuse women by taunting them with dead
fetus photos and don't try to take the baby from the
mother to give up for adoption). I say provide welfare,
WIC, and any type of governmental assistence. I say
come up with more programs to get single mothers into
a good job. I say provide more alternatives to
abortion than just adoption. Oh yeah, provide more DV
shelters to help women get the heck out of those
situations and provide more laws protecting women from
abusive men. When you start doing more of this stuff,
then you can probably reduce abortion
more.<br><br>Also, provide easy to access birth control and sex
education programs so they don't get pregnant to begin
with. The Netherlands have abortion legal, and the
lowest abortion rate in the world (I think it's the
lowest) because they have good educational services in
school and easy to access contraceptives. I'm all for
teaching abstinence. It's an honorable alternitive, but to
teach only that is out of touch with reality. If you
want to read more about this subject, then here is a
link.

I turned 50 this year and I know that my
fourscore years and ten are getting shorter. And even
though I have reformed I carry the terrible shame of my
generation and my own sins as a terrible burden.<br><br>I
got my girlfriend pregnant at Woodstock. Well, it
wasn't THE Woodstock, we were too stoned to get there,
but a few months later we were driving through a
little town on my Harley and the sign said "Woodstock"
and I just had this awful urge to get naked with my
girlfriend and have sex so we did, right there by the side
of the road, and she got pregnant, and then she had
an abortion. It wasn't legal where we lived so she
had to go to one of those back-alley guys, and she
bled a lot after but I was afraid to take her to a
hospital but she got over it. I didn't see her much after
that but I heard that she never had any
kids.<br><br>Well you know those were the days of free love and I
didn't see why I should be paying for something that was
free so when my next girlfriend got pregnant and
refused to have an abortion, she was my other
girlfriend's best friend and so she knew all about what had
happened, and she wanted me to marry her and all that, well
that wasn't my bag so I got back on the Harley, and
because it looked like my number was about to come up I
headed on up to Canada. The next time I had a girlfriend
get pregnant abortion was legal in New York so she
just took a bus down, I mean I couldn't take her
because of the draft dodging thing, but I gave her some
cigarettes for the trip and I saw her at the bar after she
got back and she seemed okay. Anyhow that was the
last time I know about one of my girlfriends getting
pregnant but like I said I was pretty stoned a lot of the
time and me and the Harley moved around a lot so I
kinda don't know. So I stayed in Canada but I don't
know if I can stand it too much longer because I found
out now that there isn't any law about abortion here
and girls can have abortions right up until the
minute before they have the baby and I blame those
Canadian baby boomers for that and I don't think I want to
live with them anymore. So if any of you know where
would be a good place to live in America where girls
can't get abortions just like that and where I could do
something to stop abortions so those girls can't be as
irresponsible as my girlfriends were well maybe you can tell
me.

9-11-2001 presented a great challenge to our generation.  Let us pray that God
shields us from death and blesses our earthly lives.<br><br>Pastor
Page<br><br><a href=http://www.winamerica.com
target=new>http://www.winamerica.com</a>

Fellow Babyboomers:<br>This is our time of
challenge. We will show, by our faith or by our unbelief,
exactly what kind of generation we are. There is still
time for us to repent and believe the gospel. But,
time may be running out. We are aging and heading
toward the exit door of life. We need to get right with
God NOW.<br><br>Dear Heavenly Father,<br>Please have
mercy on the people called the post World War II
Babyboomers. Father, please help us come to a Saving knowledge
of Jesus Christ.<br>In the Name of the Lord Jesus
Christ I pray,
Amen.<br><br>_________________________________________<br><a
href=http://www.winamerica.com target=new>http://www.winamerica.com</a>

Dear Don,<br><br> Thank you for sharing. This is
a very critical time in the lives of babyboomers.
Those of us in the United States of America are still
reeling from the recent attack on our citizens. We are
wanting to insure that that kind of thing doesn't happen
again. However, we still, as you said, must remember
that we (babyboomers) have strayed from God. I pray
God that we can fix the things that we so badly
messed up.<br>Let's continue to preach repentance and
righteousness. God still hears (and I pray that the time of
silence in Heaven has not yet set in).<br><br>Pastor
Clarence William Page<br>Greensboro, North Carolina
USA<br><br><a href=http://www.winamerica.com
target=new>http://www.winamerica.com</a>

Absolutely. We did it. 1955 here. We're the
selfish SOB's who literally demanded that the SC legalize
killing our children before they are born.<br><br>We also
need to undo it. We screwed up, big time. I find us
solely responsible for the wanton killing that takes
place today on our streets, in our schools and in our
nation. WE singlehandedly deemed human life not worthy of
protection, and now we're seeing the result of that
proclamation.<br><br>We didn't know what we were doing. Planned
Parenthood fed us so much crap so convincingly, and we
bought every last drop since it facilitated our own
selfish carnal sexual wants.<br><br>We need to put this
horror back in the cage where only the mentally ill
consider killing their children.<br><br>Don

MERRY
CHRISTMAS!!!<br><br><br><br><br>________________________________________________\
____________________________________<br> 7 And she brought forth her firstborn
son, and
wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a
manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
(Luke 2:7) The Holy
Bible<br>_______________________________________________________________________\
_____________<br><br><br><br>Pastor Clarence William Page and
family<br>Greensboro,
North Carolina,
USA<br><br><a href=http://members.aol.com/trinbapt/index.html
target=new>http://members.aol.com/trinbapt/index.html</a>

Come on, babyboomers, let's lift the name of the Lord.  He is worthy to be
praised.<br><br>Pastor Page<br><br><br><br><a href=http://www.winamerica.com
target=new>http://www.winamerica.com</a>

Dear Heavenly Father,<br><br> We, the people
known as Babyboomers, thank thee for letting us live.
You spared our fathers and mothers during World War
II. By doing that, you insured that we would be
born!!! How can we ever thank you enough?<br><br> Most
Holy Heaven Father, we admit to having sinned
grievously. From bebop to Woodstock to Dreadlock, we have
sinned. We confess that we have murdered millions through
abortion. We are not proud of our sins. We are ashamed of
them. We plead the Blood of Jesus Christ over all our
sins. We realize that we are moving toward the exit
door of life and we need to get it right with
you.<br><br> Heavenly Father, please forgive our sins and help
us to allow you to lead us in the paths of
righteousness. In the Name of Jesus Christ, we pray, Amen.

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