I while ago I asked a question to see if it really mattered where we bought our
yuri now I would like to ask when buying our yuri makes the most difference.

Obviously pre-ordering something is the best but if anyone knows how sales are
tallied and what would be the point after release when a persons purchase would
still be worth something on judging wow successful a book or other media is.

I ask this is importing from outside your country of residence is best done in
bulk and so it is sensible to wait until you have a decent list but at the same
time I want to ensure that I support the sales of what I buy in the most
effective way. If I know how long I can wait after the release of the book I can
effectively plan my imports better.

I assume many on this mailing list would feel the same way as we are dealing
with very niche areas were every sale counts.

Cheers in advance for any information.

Thank you very much for you fast and comprehensive reply.

Sadly while it was informative it missed the main focus of my question. I assume
this is due to my inappropriate wording and use of examples and I apologise.

The main piece of information that I needed was how soon after release are sales
numbers collated. In any country for many mediums, hence the placement on the
mailing list as I assumed that would take information form at least a few
people. How long is a property given after release to prove itself to be
'successful'?

If I may offer different examples.

"Penguin Drum" as it is called in the US has been released in the US. I however
need to import it as it will probably never reach the UK. Although my purchase
will only be an invisible dot of a single sale in terms of total sales but I
would like it to count for all it can.

I bought the Simoun complete collection late last year long after it came out. I
can not imagine that my purchase counted much towards Simoun's success at that
point.

So this is not about buying things from Japan it really is about all our niche
purchases and how we can make the market for the thinks we like look as
profitable as possible.

My appoligies again for essentially re-posting my question but I did not wish it
to end at simply Japanese manga sales as that is not all I buy.

Thank you again.

Mara

--- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, Erica Friedman  wrote:
>
>
> That's a terrific question. The real answer is "Japanese companies don't pay
the slightest bit of attention to overseas sales."
> Let's take something low-range like Hayate x Blade. A volume released in Japan
might sell something like 12,000 copies. In the entirety of the rest of the
world put together it's selling 2-3000.
> One Piece sells 4 million copies a volume in Japan alone, and how many
thousands in the rest of the world?
> Fate/Zero sells 40K copies in Japan, I don't even know how many here, but
probably closer to dozens at the price.
> You get the point, right? Sales of anime and manga overseas are such a
ridiculously small part of overall sales that Japanese companies have no real
interest in overseas audiences. That's why they contract with distribution
companies to handle the issues of localization/printing/distribution. They make
money on the license and don't have to deal with the costs or the issues of the
local economy. In effect, overseas sales are pin money and no more.
> So, frankly, the few copies of anything we buy makes so little difference, it
doesn't matter how you purchase them. "Collectors" has sold, oh, about 10 copies
through my links to it. Let's be generous and say 40 other people bought it, not
through my links. That's 50 overseas sales. It might make a difference if JManga
was pushing Hakusensha to license books, but they can't, because Hakusensha's
got an exclusive contract with Viz in America. So those 50 sales (and remember,
I'm over-estimating generously with that number) is probably no more than a
curiosity.
> Cheers,
>  Erica
> Yuricon - "For real women who like their women...animated."
> http://www.yuricon.org Hungry for Yuri? Have some Okazu:
http://okazu.blogspot.com
>
> "World Shaking" Fanfic - http://www.worldshaking.net
>
> > To: Yuricon@yahoogroups.com
> > From: in_the_name_of_union7@...
> > Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 17:18:08 +0000
> > Subject: [Yuricon] When does our purchase count the most?
> >
> > I while ago I asked a question to see if it really mattered where we bought
our yuri now I would like to ask when buying our yuri makes the most difference.
> >
> > Obviously pre-ordering something is the best but if anyone knows how sales
are tallied and what would be the point after release when a persons purchase
would still be worth something on judging wow successful a book or other media
is.
> >
> > I ask this is importing from outside your country of residence is best done
in bulk and so it is sensible to wait until you have a decent list but at the
same time I want to ensure that I support the sales of what I buy in the most
effective way. If I know how long I can wait after the release of the book I can
effectively plan my imports better.
> >
> > I assume many on this mailing list would feel the same way as we are dealing
with very niche areas were every sale counts.
> >
> > Cheers in advance for any information.
> >
> >
> >
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>

Quick follow up to my comment from yesterday.

Today on Twitter Ed Chavez from Vertical Publishing said this: "obviously stores
are influenced by demand, which is why *preorders are what matter the most* for
projects like this" (emphasis mine)

As I said, your order counts most as a Pre-order. High pre-order demand means
higher stock order and longer shelf life of a book.

This is a hideous relic of a previous age of book/comic selling, but it is a
publisher's reality. If there are no pre-orders, no one will ever see the book
on the shelf as a walk-in. If you want a book, pre-ordering it means that you'll
make it easier for someone who has never heard of that book to randomly find it
on the shelf. But there is no way for you, an interested party, to not pre-order
it, then be sure of finding it on the shelf when you want it to be there.

For publishers it's pre-order or die.

Cheers,

Erica


Cheers,

Erica

To see another publisher other than me explaining all the same stuff, check out
Ed's thread here: https://twitter.com/Vertical_Ed/status/288347408948133888

Cheers,

Erica

Wow. Thank you for such a extensive answer. This genuinely will at the very
least change how I order books in the future, the only down side is that I do
most of my ordering online and from a bookstore that has no physical shop
anymore.

--- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, "EricaF"  wrote:
>
> To see another publisher other than me explaining all the same stuff, check
out Ed's thread here: https://twitter.com/Vertical_Ed/status/288347408948133888
>
> Cheers,
>
> Erica
>

One of the most wonderful things about Yuricon is that is has brought me in
contact with people all over the world. This also makes running Yuricon events
challenging as you are all scattered across the globe. ^_^

I really want to do something for 2013, it's ten year after our first event, but
the reality around here is hotels do not want convention -we don't eat and drink
enough - and conference centers are simply way outside my budget. Once again I
find myself smack up against the giant wall that is "The Yuri market is
incredibly small."

But I'm tenacious. I want to do *something* in 2013. So I've come up with a
bunch of ideas and dose of reality and have put together a poll on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/questions/10151369301697527/

Thanks in advance for participating!

Cheers,

Erica

What a way to start off the new year, with the official release of Fujieda
Miyabi's Ameiro Kouchakan Kandan!

http://www.yuricon.com/2013/01/10/ameriro/

Hi all!

I'm looking for reviewers to write up reviews for series from Summer and Fall
that I have not covered.

I've said everything I can possibly say about Jormungand, so if anyone wants to
review Jormungand: Perfect Order it'll be nice to have a different perspective.

Hidamari Sketch x Honeycomb

Psycho-Pass

If you have bought/played Yuri Rei, I'm interested in a review of that, as well.

If you want to do a guest review, read this first:
http://okazu.blogspot.com/2007/07/guest-review-guidelines.html

Thanks in advance!

Cheers, Erica


Cheers,

Erica

Yesterday on Okazu, I took a look at YA-friendly, but fun for all ages,  digital
comic "Bandette" by Colleen Coover and Paul Tobin.

http://okazu.blogspot.com/2013/01/digital-comic-bandette.html?spref=tw

Cheers,

Erica

Hi Lyn - I specify the materials I'm looking for reviewers for in the message.
If you're not watching any of them, then thanks, but you're not who I'm looking
for.

Psycho-Pass is streaming free online legally, if you want something to watch,
btw: http://www.funimation.com/psycho-pass/

I've decided that I'll review that myself, since I know the writer's work a bit,
and have reviewed one of his novels previously.

Jormungand Perfect Order is also streaming free, legally on Funimation:
http://www.funimation.com/jormungand

We already have a review for this one, courtesy of Mara.

But feel free to watch some decent anime free and legally on Funimation. ^_^

Cheers,

Erica

--- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, Lyn Jensen  wrote:
>
> I will be glad to volunteer as a guest reviewer, but at the moment I don't
have any material to review. If you'd like to assign me a book or DVD, I'll be
happy to review it and I'll even return it afterwards if you prefer.
>
>

For those of you who are not familiar with the series, Mouretsu Space Pirates is
a anime series based on a series of Japanese Light Novels "Miniskirt Space
Pirates." The novel and the English anime title are service-y on purpose, but
the series is much less so. ^_^

The series is streaming free, legally (with possible region restrictions,
sorry...the Japanese companies are still convinced those work) on Crunchyroll:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/bodacious-space-pirates

I've reviewed the series on Okazu a few times, but the short version is that
it's a good space opera and has some Yuri. It's also out on DVD
(http://is.gd/8cOdAq) and Blu-Ray (http://is.gd/eS7jXX) from Sentai Filmworks.

If you haven't watched, try it out for free on Crunchyroll. ^_^

Cheers,

Erica

Thanks to Shannon Luchies for finding this preview episode of RightStuf's
release of "Sweet Blue Flowers"! ^_^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLKVa4hv4FM&feature=youtu.be

Cheers,

Erica

On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:58:14 -0000, "EricaF"
<anilesbocon01@...> wrote:

> Thanks to Shannon Luchies for finding this preview episode of
> RightStuf's release of "Sweet Blue Flowers"! ^_^
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLKVa4hv4FM&feature=youtu.be

Needless to say, it's region-locked.  Sigh.  (Probably not Nozomi/RS's
choice, I realise, but frustrating nonetheless.)


Still, at least the region lock on the DVDs is easily ignored.  Hope
mine turn up soon. :)
--
Adam Jones (adam@...)(http://www.yggdrasl.demon.co.uk/)
.oO("store you mail in you own area"                                   )

--- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, Adam Jones  wrote:

>
> Needless to say, it's region-locked.  Sigh.  (Probably not Nozomi/RS's
> choice, I realise, but frustrating nonetheless.)

Not their choice at all. The Japanese companies are still firmly locked in a
1978 worldview. It's an unfortunate reality and they can't really dictate terms
to the IP rights holders.

Manga publishers are, slowly, thinking bigger than county borders, but the anime
companies have a long way to go.

The good news is that crowdsourced funding like Production IG's Kick-heart
Kickstarter give me hope that at least some change can happens. They're shipping
the DVD worldwide with subs in at least two languages.

For the moment, however, I think it would be sensible to always assume that if a
US company licenses an anime then region-blocking applies, because that is how
the JP companies want it.

Cheers,

Erica

Today on Okazu, we have our first Guest Review of the Year, by Mara who takes a
look at Jormungand: Perfect Order (which is streaming for free, legally...and
probably with region restrictions.)

http://okazu.blogspot.com/2013/01/jormungand-perfect-order-anime-guest.html

Thanks for the guest review, Mara!

Cheers,

Erica

At last, you can spend time legally, officially with Sarasa, Seriho and the rest
of the gang at the Amber Teahouse.

http://www.jmanga.com/ameiro-kochakan-kandan

(Fujieda-sensei was all a-twitter on Twitter, he was so happy about this. We're
happy too. ^_^)

Cheers,

Erica

Today on Okazu, I take a look at a "classic Yuri" manga from 1957 in Love on the
Edge of Admiration and Desire - Yuri Manga: Sakura Namiki (‚³‚­‚ç•À–Ø)

I also recommend reading Katherine Hanson's review of this series: Marimite in
the 50s:
http://yurinoboke.blogspot.com/2011/08/marimite-in-50s-sakura-namiki-rows-of.htm\
l

This is a manga that draws on the tradition of love at a girl's school developed
in the 1920s by Yoshiya Nobuko, translated into a "modern girl" setting in
post-war Japan.

Cheers,

Erica