On Nov 28, 2004, at 9:15 PM, atheniag wrote:
>
>
> Hello all -
>
> To protect you all from wasting your time with dull anime, I have been
> persevering with some of this season's less promising series - just in
> case.
Musemet one of those you're still suffering through? I haven't seen
beyond the first episode.
> One of said series is Uta-Kata, which at first appeared to be a
> fanservice filled mediocre magical girl thingy. Over the past few
> weeks, it has grown darker and more creepy, and in this week's
> episode, ep. 9, it crashed fully into dark and grim with a passion.
I saw the first two episodes that Lunar subbed and I thought there was
a dark undercurrent to it then. I think it was Ichika's encounter with
the guys that gave her the charm that tipped me off. But, I'm glad to
hear it wasn't just wishful thinking.
> Only episodes 1 and 2 have been subbed, by Lunar, so you'll have to
> take it raw if you want it. However, there does seem to be payoff.
Spork has released up to episode 3 now, so they may end up picking up
the slack.
>
> I'll do a more full review on Okazu later but, this week Ichika's
> friends Keiko and Satsuki pull together against mutual heartbreak and
> trauma and frankly, I'm relieved. Satsuki was so half-heartedly
> straight. And she's voiced by Kawakami Tomoko (Utena's VA) so you just
> *know* she was meant for "The List." :-) If it lasts, they'll make a
> nice couple.
Something to look forward to.
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>From: Chalcahuite <ximatl@...>
>Reply-To: Yuricon@yahoogroups.com
>Musemet one of those you're still suffering through? I haven't seen
>beyond the first episode.
Yes, but I'm giving up if nothing of interest happens this week. Shion and
her crew getting super-villian suits just wasn't enought to engage my
attention.
>I saw the first two episodes that Lunar subbed and I thought there was
>a dark undercurrent to it then. I think it was Ichika's encounter with
>the guys that gave her the charm that tipped me off. But, I'm glad to
>hear it wasn't just wishful thinking.
Not even a little.
>
>Spork has released up to episode 3 now, so they may end up picking up
>the slack.
They are doing it with another team and the translations are...erm...not
terribly good. Poor spelling, grammar, incorrect, etc. I'm surprised Spork
is allowing their name on it, frankly. BUT, when it comes down to it, one
gets the point and that's all that's important, since it basically bites.
:-)
> > I'll do a more full review on Okazu later but, this week Ichika's
> > friends Keiko and Satsuki pull together against mutual heartbreak and
> > trauma and frankly, I'm relieved. Satsuki was so half-heartedly
> > straight. And she's voiced by Kawakami Tomoko (Utena's VA) so you just
> > *know* she was meant for "The List." :-) If it lasts, they'll make a
> > nice couple.
>
>Something to look forward to.
The Okazu review is up, but we'll still have to wait and see if Satsuki and
Keiko have any longevity as a couple.
Cheers,
Erica
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>From: Chalcahuite <ximatl@...>
>Reply-To: Yuricon@yahoogroups.com
>To: Yuricon@yahoogroups.com
>I'm looking forward to seeing the twisted metal and casualties at the
>end of this train wreck.
What's really encouraging is that Gainax is *so* well known for excellent
endings. <snort>
Seriously, I think the best we can hope for is that Himeko and chikane die
in each other's arms, because frankly, there's really no ending visible at
this moment that *I* would categorize as "happy." We'll be lucky is it has
an ending at all, and doesn't just stop. LOL
Cheers,
Erica
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Last night I managed to download the remaining episodes of Shinobuden, which
has been goofy, with a little one-sided lesbian desire played entirerly for
laughs.
Wow was this a crappy last episode. Or a really excellent one if you fill in
all the huge holes. (To be fair, the episode basically told you right off
that it was going to be bad, since it was a meta-epsiode about bad endings
to anime. And I did like the comment about inconsistent art throughout a
series.)
The final episode "plot" is about Shinobu transfering to England to go to a
famous ninja academy.
In the end, Shinobu and Kaede are reunited, but you know, it still left me
cold, because we already know that Kaede is not interested in Shinobu even a
little. So I just felt vaguely irritated by the mushy ending.
I guess we'll just have to imagine that the experience has proven to Kaede
that she really does love Shinobu and they can live happily ever after. The
Post-ending End. :-)
Fanfic anyone?
Cheers,
Erica
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On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 14:49:30 -0500, "Erica Friedman"
<alecto_fury@...> wrote:
> >Spork has released up to episode 3 now, so they may end up picking up
> >the slack.
> They are doing it with another team and the translations
> are...erm...not terribly good. Poor spelling, grammar, incorrect, etc.
> I'm surprised Spork is allowing their name on it, frankly.
Considering Spork's fansubs of Re: Cutie Honey, I wouldn't be surprised
at all... (The grammar was less than stellar, shall we say. Heck, if
any fansub group out there is desperately in need of a Pedant-in-Chief,
I suspect I could actually /do/ that job. ;)
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--- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, "Erica Friedman" <alecto_fury@h...> wrote:
> Seriously, I think the best we can hope for is that Himeko and
chikane die
> in each other's arms, because frankly, there's really no ending
visible at
> this moment that *I* would categorize as "happy." We'll be lucky is
it has
> an ending at all, and doesn't just stop. LOL
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Erica
>
Have you ever watched Kimi ga Nozomu Eien, Erica? Kannaduki is
basically that, but with Mechs and Lesbians.
Furthermore it's a spoof on Super Robots.
The ending won't be bad in the way you expect, but there is a good
chance that it might have a rushed resolution.
Adam Jones wrote:
>On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 14:49:30 -0500, "Erica Friedman"
><alecto_fury@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>Spork has released up to episode 3 now, so they may end up picking up
>>>the slack.
>>>
>>>
>>They are doing it with another team and the translations
>>are...erm...not terribly good. Poor spelling, grammar, incorrect, etc.
>>I'm surprised Spork is allowing their name on it, frankly.
>>
>>
>
>Considering Spork's fansubs of Re: Cutie Honey, I wouldn't be surprised
>at all... (The grammar was less than stellar, shall we say. Heck, if
>any fansub group out there is desperately in need of a Pedant-in-Chief,
>I suspect I could actually /do/ that job. ;)
>
>
If you can get a translator and Japanese episodes of Mazinger Z, I could
make my own fansub group...
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Erica Friedman wrote:
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>
>>From: Chalcahuite <ximatl@...>
>>Reply-To: Yuricon@yahoogroups.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>Musemet one of those you're still suffering through? I haven't seen
>>beyond the first episode.
>>
>>
>
>Yes, but I'm giving up if nothing of interest happens this week. Shion and
>her crew getting super-villian suits just wasn't enought to engage my
>attention.
>
>
Well, you can at least wait until episode nine?
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I was watching Kamakaze Kaitou Jeanne recently and I found myself
pondering this question:
Is KKJ one of the most fan service filled magical girl shows (the two main
girls do rhythmic gymnastics in leotards a lot, they have a very hot teacher,
and the two main characters have more on top than Sailor Jupiter (who likes to
boast of her "talents")) or is KKJ on of the least fan service filled magical
girl shows (the transformation scenes show no skin at all)?
Craig
PS One thing that is unusual with KKJ is that when the girl transforms she
doesn't look anything like her untransformed self, even though she stays the
same height and age.
On Dec 3, 2004, at 2:49 PM, Erica Friedman wrote:
>
>
>> From: Chalcahuite <ximatl@...>
>> Reply-To: Yuricon@yahoogroups.com
>
>> Musemet one of those you're still suffering through? I haven't seen
>> beyond the first episode.
>
> Yes, but I'm giving up if nothing of interest happens this week. Shion
> and
> her crew getting super-villian suits just wasn't enought to engage my
> attention.
Yeah, I heard about that, saw screencaps on Momotato; I might watch it
if someone bothers to sub it any further, otherwise there's plenty of
other things to watch.
>> Spork has released up to episode 3 now, so they may end up picking up
>> the slack.
>
> They are doing it with another team and the translations
> are...erm...not
> terribly good. Poor spelling, grammar, incorrect, etc. I'm surprised
> Spork
> is allowing their name on it, frankly. BUT, when it comes down to it,
> one
> gets the point and that's all that's important, since it basically
> bites.
> :-)
My feelings about fansubs are now archived on this list from a few days
ago, but basically, yeah.
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I'll have to disagree with Erica here: I thought this was a great
last episode. At this late point in the series, there were never
going to be any major developments yuri-wise, so the ending we got-
which does suggest the possibilty of Kaede returning Shinobu's
affection- was more than I was hoping for. Maybe the resolution on
my yuri goggles is turned up too high, but I did get the impression
that in the later episodes, Kaede was becoming more emotionally
attached to Shinobu. And in this final episode, Kaede actually seems
more concerned about losing Shinobu than Shinobu is about losing
Kaede. Unless I've missed something major, other than being a bit
flustered by her over-attentiveness, there's nothing to suggest that
Kaede isn't interested in Shinobu. Plus there's the fact that
Shinobu is naturally more over the top with her emotions- she seems
to be completely unfamiliar with the workings of normal society.
Kaede, who is more reserved anyway and also the show's
token "normal" character, is naturally going to be a bit more
apprehensive about something that she probably considers to be a bit
scandalous.
Maybe it's jst me, but Shinobu/Kaede feels like a pairing waiting to
happen, albeit not immediately. And failing that, there's probably a
Yuri no Jutsu we can use ^_^ I was actually going to submit Kaede
for the List on the basis of this ending, but it looks like I might
have to wait for a second series...
(or alternatively the manga, which is apparently more yuri-driven)
In a more general defence of the ending, I've never seen a gag anime
end so well. The Sasukes were great, expressing their horror at the
lack of plot development and then making their own ending (the
magical girl spoof was spot-on, if slightly disturbing). Shinobuden
was never really a plot-driven series, so was able to get away with
this sort of ending- unlike the more plot-heavy Guu TV series, whose
final episode almost had me screming "Stop messing around!
Concentrate on sorting out the plot!"
So, er, that's my passionate defence of Shinobuden. I am really
tempted to do a fanfic for this series, but now that I think of it,
I haven't completed a fanfic in nearly two years...
dooky
--- Resop <resop2@...> wrote:
> I was watching Kamakaze Kaitou Jeanne recently and I
> found myself
> pondering this question:
>
> Is KKJ one of the most fan service filled magical
> girl shows (the two main
> girls do rhythmic gymnastics in leotards a lot, they
> have a very hot teacher,
> and the two main characters have more on top than
> Sailor Jupiter (who likes to
> boast of her "talents")) or is KKJ on of the least
> fan service filled magical
> girl shows (the transformation scenes show no skin
> at all)?
>
> Craig
>
> PS One thing that is unusual with KKJ is that when
> the girl transforms she
> doesn't look anything like her untransformed self,
> even though she stays the
> same height and age.
>
Speaking of fan service and top heavy babes, have you
ever heard of the anime MOUSE, distributed by
AnimeWorks/Media Blasters? This 12 (15-minutes each)
ep anime tells the tale of 20 year old Sorata who is
an art instructor at Yamanoue. He has a secret life as
master thief MOUSE. (Shades of KKJ, St. Tail, Cat's
Eye)
Sorata is aided by 2 top heavy (and 1 not so top
heavy) females: math teacher Mei, phys-ed coach
Hazuki, and school nurse Yayoi.
Mei and Yayoi would join the big-breasted anime babe
alliance along with the likes of Cutey Honey, Yoshida
Chizuru (STRANGE LOVE aka HEN) and Saori
(MAHOROMATIC).
Speaking of fan-service, this anime has enough panty
shots, gratutious nudity, and big boobs to fall into
the ranks with Najica Blitz Tactics, Agent Aika, and
eps 2 & 3 of the first season of Mahoromatic.
Even if MOUSE is not a magical girl show, it does have
its share of fan service. I have watched the first 6
eps. Maybe I may find some yuri in the mix.
And this also has a pretty cool opening theme from
Under 17, "Mouse Chu Mouse".
Carmen ^_^ (mending excellently and will be able to
report to work on Monday, and starting outpatient
therapy. Yes, no more walker! I can start using a
cane!)
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>From: "what is a dooky" <spookydooky@...>
>Reply-To: Yuricon@yahoogroups.com
>To: Yuricon@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Yuricon] Re: Speaking of bad endings...
>Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 02:52:20 -0000
>
>I'll have to disagree with Erica here:
WHAT? How dare you? Disagreeing with Erica? Off with your head!
;)
Actually, I know that disagreement and discussion are welcomed, and
appreciated, here. It's just that sometimes everyone seems to want to rush
to agree with Erica, and I thought that I'd have a little fun, since you
came right out and said you were going to disagree with her. :-D
The beautiful thing about us here, we have such a diversity of educations,
experiences, etc. that we should never want for opinions.
Katya
--- Carmen DiProspero <cjd207@...> wrote:
>
> Speaking of fan service and top heavy babes, have you
> ever heard of the anime MOUSE, distributed by
> AnimeWorks/Media Blasters? This 12 (15-minutes each)
> ep anime tells the tale of 20 year old Sorata who is
> an art instructor at Yamanoue. He has a secret life as
> master thief MOUSE. (Shades of KKJ, St. Tail, Cat's
> Eye)
>
> Sorata is aided by 2 top heavy (and 1 not so top
> heavy) females: math teacher Mei, phys-ed coach
> Hazuki, and school nurse Yayoi.
>
> Mei and Yayoi would join the big-breasted anime babe
> alliance along with the likes of Cutey Honey, Yoshida
> Chizuru (STRANGE LOVE aka HEN) and Saori
> (MAHOROMATIC).
I haven't seen the show, but it sounds interesting.
However it does make me think of the difference between
boy's shows (shounen) and girls shows (shoujo) in what
constitutes fan service and constitutes girls with "large"
breasts.
For instance, while the two girls in KKJ are certainly "genki"
by shoujo standards, they would turn no heads at all in a
shounen show.
In another example, in Magic Knights Rayearth 2, in the
Onsan scene Hikari complains that Caldina (one of those
people from another planet that speak with an Osaka
accent) is so much bigger than her and Caldina is a B-cup
at best.
On the other hand, not all shounen fan service girls are the
same. Cutey (from the OVAs) is actually drawn proportionately
(ie her hips are the same size as her bust as opposed to her
hips being half the size of her bust). What this might mean, I
don't know.
On the other hand, Cutey from Cutey Honey Flash was
downsized, which is what I would expect since that was the
shoujo version of the story.
> Speaking of fan-service, this anime has enough panty
> shots, gratutious nudity, and big boobs to fall into
> the ranks with Najica Blitz Tactics, Agent Aika, and
> eps 2 & 3 of the first season of Mahoromatic.
I never got the shounen cliche of having wall to wall
panty shots. I think they're more effective if they're not
overused.
I'm all for nudity, if there's a least a token reason to have
them there. Otherwise, it's a big turn off. Girl rips off her top
to activate a black hole machine in Gun Busters? Works for
me. An onsan scene? Sure! A warrior has her fighting outfit
shredded by an enemy? How heroic. A humerette has to
regenerate by bathing naked in a clear chemical? Absolutely.
A dozen females getting naked for no reason at all? Bad idea.
Craig
I guess I'll preclude my thoughts by saying I think
Himeko needs therapy. SERIOUS therapy. And that Gainex
may not know endings, but they DO know how to create
severely mentally f'd up characters. We'll take the
rest from those two assumptions.
Oh, and I got my degree in psychology. Not that it
means I'm right, but just that it's a strong interest
of mine to over-analyze things constantly. ^_~ And I'm
long-winded, so my apologies. ^^;
> > > The person I understand least is, of course,
> Himeko. She isn;t
> >nearly angry
> > > and bewildered enough. I'm aware that this is
> only a crap-tastic
> >anime, but
> > > still. She recovered awfully fast - and her
> obsession with Chikane
> >hasn't
> > > even changed a teeny weeny bit. I'm a bit leery
> of that.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >I have several theories:
> >
> >1) She may already have an idea what's going on
> subconsciously.
>
> I'd agree with that. She clearly believes that,
> regardless of the reason,
> Chikane *had* a reason, and she wants to know what
> it is, so she can
> "understand Chikane's feelings."
I definitely buy into this. From her previous
behavior, it's pretty obvious that Chikane's a person
she trusts completely. It may not be the only person,
but she IS one of those people. Combine that with her
being in love with her (love being something I think
goes hand in hand with complete trust), and that's a
dangerous blow to Himeko's sensibility.
It's a hard thing to accept that a person you trusted
completely was a poor choice for it, especially if
your self-esteem is THAT low, so I think that's partly
why Himeko's heart was still so open to Chikane after
the rape. She WANTS to believe there's a greater
reason there, because she's still clinging to that
complete trust. She doesn't want to let it go for the
fear of the change that would bring.
And as far as Himeko not really expressing thoughts
and feelings...I tend to think she's an INFJ on the
MBTI. (One of these days I want to make a MBTI
character analysis for this series, because despite
crap-tastic attributes, it's actually a serious
contender for one of my all-time favorite animes) This
would mean that while she expresses emotions
externally, she thinks internally. Meaning she's far
more likely to cry and smile and show her feelings to
the world in general than her thoughts. Granted she's
guarded with the world in general due to past
experience, but I see her thought /processes/ as being
more closely guarded then her reactions (as opposed to
Chikane, who is definitely an internal feeler--I think
a INFP?)
Back to post-rape. She sat there, and stared off into
nothing, either dry-eyed or tears streaming down her
face. I believe the natural feelings of "why???" and
anger and betrayal and bitterness and thinking about
what happened were all behind that stare. All
internal, behind the mask of crying. Her low
self-esteem and past explains why she didn't show
anger and other "troublesome" emotions, because she
probably thinks she needs to go through life as
perfect a girl as possible, and perfect girls just
don't SHOW those emotions, right? I think that's true
in both Eastern and Western cultures...
> >2) She has low self esteem. Rather than trying to
> find the answer she
> >blames herself.
>
> Mmm, there's something to be said for this. The old
> Himeko, yes, definitely.
> But I think Himeko's talk with Mako-chan changed
> her. You'd have to be
> exceptioanlly stupid and self-absorbed to have three
> completely different
> people tell you that they'd die for you and still
> not see your own worth.
Or exceptionally traumatized, which I see Himeko as
being. A single talk with a friend just won't change
someone that easily, sadly. It takes a lot of time to
counter a lifetime of being told directly and
indirectly that you're worthless. How many times have
we heard the phrase "watashi no sei de" or a variant
from Himeko's mouth in the series? If you think you're
a worthless waste of space, you think you're bad. And
if you think you're bad, you think everything around
you that's bad is caused by you, because the only
source of "bad" you can see is yourself.
Everyone looks for a reason why they're told they're
bad, and if you're told that often enough such that
you internalize that thinking, you're going to
reinforce that in yourself. Because to lose that
perception means to lose yourself. Objectively, it's
messed up to be sure...but it's true.
Now, how this all works into 10, from what I saw (I
have a limited understanding of Japanese, so this is
all muddled interpretation from seeing the ep. and my
crap-tastic translation "skills" ^^;)
SPOILER
SPOILER
SPOILER
Okay, so we see Himeko embracing into her life Chikane
when she gets back. She's SO relieved to have her
Chikane-chan back that she even wants to sleep in the
same bed as Chikane, something she never did before
the rape. This seems counter-intuitive on the surface,
but it has reasons.
A) She might be trying to prove to herself that
Chikane wouldn't do that to her again, if she's acting
like herself as Chikane was doing so before that
point. I wouldn't doubt that this is a component of
that choice.
B) But deeper into Himeko's psyche, I think the
reasons are darker. It's pretty obvious through the
series that Himeko's a masochist--in life, in
thoughts, in feelings. Why would the bedroom be a
place that's a different reaction from her?
Himeko's only really gotten suffering for much of her
life, so she learned to love that suffering on some
level in order to survive. So when Chikane raped her,
she hated it on a surface level (as well she should--I
don't meant to say AT ALL that the rape itself was
good for Chikane to do. Please understand that.) But I
can see that, even if she hated it on a surface level
and even if she can't feel aroused yet from the
experience, she liked it deep inside. Because it was
the level of painful experience she'd experienced all
her life and had learned to love, and the person she
loves most (we think) gave it to her finally. Why do
you think Himeko didn't respond to Chikane when she
was being nice? Or simply didn't GET it? Because she
doesn't associate people being nice to her as being a
positive thing, or even a desirable thing to herself.
As much as my yuri-lovin' side wants to think Himeko
cried at Souma's kiss because her soul felt how WRONG
it was, I think she really cried because it wasn't
what she REALLY wants from her mate--she just isn't
capable of taking happiness into herself, and just
knows how to appreciate and deal with someone causing
her pain. She wants to be mistreated, as her current
mental state is, because it affirms love from the
person.
Which is why I think Himeko wanted to be in Chikane's
bed so much. Even if she didn't let herself feel
physically aroused, she was MENTALLY aroused. Or maybe
even physically aroused, but I'll leave that to the
imagination. I don't have the stomach to write that
kind of fanfic, so I'd rather not think of it. >_>;;;
^^;;; I might as well just write essays on Himeko and
Chikane, at this rate. But they're my favorite anime
couple now, followed only by Tsuzuki and Hisoka from
Yami no Matsuei. ^_~ Notice a trend here?
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>From: "what is a dooky" <spookydooky@...>
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>I'll have to disagree with Erica here:
Well thank god for that! LOL
I thought this was a great
>last episode. At this late point in the series, there were never
>going to be any major developments yuri-wise, so the ending we got-
>which does suggest the possibilty of Kaede returning Shinobu's
>affection- was more than I was hoping for. Maybe the resolution on
>my yuri goggles is turned up too high, but I did get the impression
>that in the later episodes, Kaede was becoming more emotionally
>attached to Shinobu. And in this final episode, Kaede actually seems
>more concerned about losing Shinobu than Shinobu is about losing
>Kaede. Unless I've missed something major, other than being a bit
>flustered by her over-attentiveness, there's nothing to suggest that
>Kaede isn't interested in Shinobu.
Well, I was just rewatching a few early episodes and Kaede is actively
squicked (and ultimately annoyed) when Shinobu tries to get in bed with her,
and later, to get Kaede to get in bed with her, during the "cold"
episode...and in the Xmas episode, Kaede is pretty freaked whern she
realizes that Shinobu is talking about her when she's saying that she's with
the person she loves. Kaede's line is, Christmas is a time for girls to
spend with the person they love. But I guess this is okay too.
To *me* at least, it speaks fairly clearly that, while Kaede's fine with
being Shinobu's friend, that's all she'll ever be. Which is fine, don't get
me wrong.
I do agree that Kaede is really hurting when Shinobu's gone and is glad to
get her back...but I don;t see that translating to, you know, *that* kind of
love. :-)
Plus there's the fact that
>Shinobu is naturally more over the top with her emotions- she seems
>to be completely unfamiliar with the workings of normal society.
Clearly. LOL That's sort of the whole plot, really, if you can call it that.
>Kaede, who is more reserved anyway and also the show's
>token "normal" character, is naturally going to be a bit more
>apprehensive about something that she probably considers to be a bit
>scandalous.
>
>Maybe it's jst me, but Shinobu/Kaede feels like a pairing waiting to
>happen, albeit not immediately. And failing that, there's probably a
>Yuri no Jutsu we can use ^_^ I was actually going to submit Kaede
>for the List on the basis of this ending, but it looks like I might
>have to wait for a second series...
I see them more as a "fanon" couple.
Since the yuri was played for laughs, its up to us to make it happen.
Go ahead and submit the name...you're not the first. And the rule of thumb
is always that, *I* don't have to see it, if plenty of other people do.
>
>(or alternatively the manga, which is apparently more yuri-driven)
Is it? That would be nice. If we can get screenshots to confirm, I'll add
the series to the "both" part of the List.
>
>In a more general defence of the ending, I've never seen a gag anime
>end so well. The Sasukes were great, expressing their horror at the
>lack of plot development and then making their own ending (the
>magical girl spoof was spot-on, if slightly disturbing). Shinobuden
>was never really a plot-driven series, so was able to get away with
>this sort of ending- unlike the more plot-heavy Guu TV series, whose
>final episode almost had me screming "Stop messing around!
>Concentrate on sorting out the plot!"
I found their meta-discussion to be amusing, definitely.
>
>So, er, that's my passionate defence of Shinobuden. I am really
>tempted to do a fanfic for this series, but now that I think of it,
>I haven't completed a fanfic in nearly two years...
I might even be tempted to read it. :-)
Cheers,
Erica
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http://www.yuricon.org
"World Shaking" Fanfic - http://www.worldshaking.net
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Because fanfic does not have to suck
> >(or alternatively the manga, which is apparently more yuri-driven)
>
> Is it? That would be nice. If we can get screenshots to confirm,
I'll add
> the series to the "both" part of the List.
As luck would have it, I actually have scans of the first two
volumes. As it's untranslated, and my Japanese skills are still
somewhere between "comic relief gaijin" and "zero", I can't fully
assess the level of yuri, but the repeated presence of little hearts
while Shinobu is talking to Kaede is a definite indication ^_^
I've uploaded a few pages to the files section so that you can see
what I mean:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Yuricon/files/2x2%3DShinobuden/
(Note: in my experience, these links have roughly a 50/50 chance of
working...)
The first is from the Christmas chapter, and seems to involve
Shinobu cuddling up to Kaede, who reacts with either surprise, joy,
or both... that's as much as I can tell from the expressions. The
other two come from the Valentine's Day chapter. The first is
Shinobu giving Kaede chocolate for Valentine's Day, and the second
has Kaede returning the favour on White Day... I wonder what this
clearly marked division of labour tells us about the dynamics of any
future relationship? ^_~ There seems to be a lot of other stuff
going on in these pages as well, most of which is completely beyond
my comprehension.
I might upload a few more pages when I have the time to go through
it properly... these just happen to be ones that leapt out at me
when I was browsing the first volume.
dooky
>From: "what is a dooky" <spookydooky@...>
>Reply-To: Yuricon@yahoogroups.com
>The first is from the Christmas chapter, and seems to involve
>Shinobu cuddling up to Kaede, who reacts with either surprise, joy,
>or both... that's as much as I can tell from the expressions.
With a plea for help, actually. :-)
Kaede is so stressed, she's actually asking Onsokomaru for help....
The
>other two come from the Valentine's Day chapter. The first is
>Shinobu giving Kaede chocolate for Valentine's Day,
Explaining that chocolate on Vaelntine's Day is to be given to boys. (But
she feels bad about hurting Shinobu, so she gives it the old, "nothing" when
Shinobu asks her about it.
and the second
>has Kaede returning the favour on White Day...
Which is exactly what she says.
I wonder what this
>clearly marked division of labour tells us about the dynamics of any
>future relationship? ^_~
LOL
There seems to be a lot of other stuff
>going on in these pages as well, most of which is completely beyond
>my comprehension.
I still stand by my opinion - Shinobu's head over heels in love, while Kaede
sees Shinobu as a friend.
NOT that I care, in regards to "The List." Since it's meant to be fun, we
can certainly add Kaede, if folks want. :-)
Cheers,
Erica
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Because fanfic does not have to suck
Hi there,
just wanted to notify all former members that the old Aoi Nanase mailing
list has been deleted by the owner because of low traffic, but has been
recreated by me at the old address:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aoinanase/
All interested are invited to join. ;)
Spread the word.
Thank you,
BlackSkaven
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Hi all!
This was a banner weekend for me, as I managed to get my shipment from Japan
in and a bunch of next volumes of manga from series we know and love came
in. Obviously, detailed reviews will appear on Okazu, as I have a moment.
But...I wanted to tell you all that Yuri Shimai 5 was great. The best yet.
In honor of it being so good, I'll be re-doing the Yuricon Shop, with links
to buy Yuri Shimai right from our page. So, if you're planning on getting
it, or are thinking about it, wait a day or two - I'll let you know when the
links are up. :-)
Not only was this issue of YS slightly more grown-up in sensibility, there's
a "bonus" sealed section of H-game reviews and one story with more explicit
art. More importantly, there was only one story that really was kind of "eh"
and the continuations of earlier stories were quite excellent.
Thumbs up for YS5.
Cheers,
Erica
Yuricon - "For real women who like their women...animated."
http://www.yuricon.org
"World Shaking" Fanfic - http://www.worldshaking.net
The Fanfic Revolution - http://www.fanficrevolution.org
Because fanfic does not have to suck
Train kept a'rolling.
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Damn! That's cold, real cold. That's the kind thing that endears you
to a villain. And were I still not torn, I would appreciate more the
job Chikane did on Himeko. I think the answer to Himeko's question
about whether Chikane is an angel or a devil, is either both or
neither. But that maybe a little too sophisticated for this show, so
we'll see which way they go.
I'm sorry what's Souma's purpose again? And would the show really miss
anything if he weren't in it?
You would think that given their pasts the Orochi would have been more
formidable, I thought the flashbacks really only served to underscore
their ineffectiveness.
At least Himeko is showing some spine and spirit now.
-==-
Serge
http://ximatl.blogspot.com
--- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, "Erica Friedman" <alecto_fury@h...> wrote:
>
> "Last night I managed to download the remaining episodes of
Shinobuden... Wow was this a crappy last episode."
Oh, relax. At least it wasn't as bad as the MariMite: Haru ending. I
mean, did things *really* have to end in nuclear apocalypse?
And yet, in retrospect, you could say all the signs were there, and it
was totally natural in terms of story pacing. From Yumi's initial
feelings of inadequacy guiding to the baptismal arc, all through Sei's
tear-inducing recant, right up to the onslaught of global fire... you
could see the fluid progression of it all. The writer clearly knew
where they were going from day one.
While I may not have enjoyed MgM(H)'s ending as much as I would have
had all the gals *not* burned in divine judgement, I have to admit it
was really the only possible ending to all the story arcs, in addition
to tying up the loose ends (through cleansing flame). It had to be,
but I'm just sad it's over. Nevertheless, I enjoyed the series
immensely.
...expect for the giant mecha in episode #12. Eriko did NOT need a
big stompy robot; I don't care what anybody says.
^_^
Kisses XXOOXX
Jen
> In honor of it being so good, I'll be re-doing the Yuricon Shop,
with links
> to buy Yuri Shimai right from our page. So, if you're planning on
getting
> it, or are thinking about it, wait a day or two - I'll let you know
when the
> links are up. :-)
Speaking of the shop, last week I ordered some of the new stuff: the
mug and the clock. Imagine my surprise when the merchandise shipped
(from America) on Friday and was delivered (in the UK) on Monday!
Now, it isn't that often that I post things to and from America, but
surely this delivery speed constitutes some sort of record? ^_^ It's
ceratinly as fast as the UK's internal post...
Anyway, the stuff is very nice. The mug has a huge handle, prompting
my friends to postulate that Americans must have enormous fingers ^_^
And well done to Kun: the I Love Yuri logo has been declared "lovely"
by the girls in my house, which is certainly preferable to the
alternative response of "Ugh, he's into, like, lesbians and stuff!"
So yeah, the merchandise is lots of fun, particularly for merchandise-
obsessives like me. Hmm... if only I could get an "I Love Catgirls"
clock, then I'd have both of my obsessions covered...
dooky (hey, you could even have catgirls AND yuri... ON THE SAME
CLOCK! Imagine the possibilities!)
--- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, "Jen" <puni@i...> wrote:
>
> --- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, "Erica Friedman" <alecto_fury@h...>
wrote:
> >
> > "Last night I managed to download the remaining episodes of
> Shinobuden... Wow was this a crappy last episode."
>
>
> Oh, relax. At least it wasn't as bad as the MariMite: Haru ending.
I
> mean, did things *really* have to end in nuclear apocalypse?
LOL
BUT, if you think of the whole series as a metaphor of man's fall (or,
in this case, woman's, tempted by an even more taboo fruit than the
first time around...it was inevitable, wasn't it?
> ...expect for the giant mecha in episode #12. Eriko did NOT need a
> big stompy robot; I don't care what anybody says.
She DID - it was symbolic of her powerlessness in the face of their
eventual destiny. I stand by the giant robot. :-)
I also like the fact that it was clearly based on early soviet
sculpture - it really served to heighten the sense that she was trying
to reach for something outside the religion that threatened to, and
eventually did, overhwelm them all.
I dunno, as apocalyptic ends go, I thought MsgM~H was pretty spiffy. I
particularly liked the flames going up and scattering sparks that
looked like flower petals...very evocative.
Cheers,
Erica
--- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, "what is a dooky" <spookydooky@h...>
wrote:
>
> Speaking of the shop, last week I ordered some of the new stuff: the
> mug and the clock. Imagine my surprise when the merchandise shipped
> (from America) on Friday and was delivered (in the UK) on Monday!
> Now, it isn't that often that I post things to and from America, but
> surely this delivery speed constitutes some sort of record? ^_^ It's
> ceratinly as fast as the UK's internal post...
It's nice to know that Cafepress actually does what they say they are
going to do!
>
> Anyway, the stuff is very nice. The mug has a huge handle, prompting
> my friends to postulate that Americans must have enormous fingers
^_^
LOL It's the "Large" mug
> And well done to Kun: the I Love Yuri logo has been declared
"lovely"
> by the girls in my house, which is certainly preferable to the
> alternative response of "Ugh, he's into, like, lesbians and stuff!"
Thumbs up to her on that. She did that logo practically overnight.
>
> So yeah, the merchandise is lots of fun, particularly for
merchandise-
> obsessives like me. Hmm... if only I could get an "I Love Catgirls"
> clock, then I'd have both of my obsessions covered...
Open a cafepress store. Everyone else does! LOL
I'm really glad you like the merchandise. I've been kind of waiting on
tenterhooks for someone to email me and tell me it bites. O_o
Cheers,
Erica
As promised! You can now purchase the all-yuri manga magazine Yuri
Shimai through the Yuricon Shop. Links for all five issues have been
included:
http://www.yuricon.org/shop/manga.html#YS
These volumes are in Japanese and so is the Amazon JP website. BUT,
there is a link on the top right-hand (about 2:00 on a clock face) on
every page that says "Display in English." This will change all the
major buttons to English. There is also a English-language help page.
While you're on the Yuricon Shop manga page, don't forget to get a
copy of the only English-language all-yuri anthology, Yuri Monogatari
- on sale now for 20% off retail.
Yuricon Shop - http://www.yuricon.org/shop/
Yuri Manga from ALC, Amazon Japan and Amazon - http://www.yuricon.
org/shop/manga.html
Coming soon - yuri anime from Amazon!
"Yuricon - For real women who like their women...animated."
ALC Publishing - where the girl always gets the girl.
>From: "what is a dooky" <spookydooky@...>
>Anyway, the stuff is very nice. The mug has a huge handle, prompting
>my friends to postulate that Americans must have enormous fingers ^_^
Didn't you know? We're all giants over here! ^.~
Katya
> Didn't you know? We're all giants over here! ^.~
I knew there had to a be a reason the country was so big...
dooky, who thanks to the Yuricon mug, is now drinking more tea than
ever before! Because he likes the mug, not because it has any magical
tea-generating properties.
PS- has anyone considered the possibility of a Yuricon bento box? So
we can all make lunches for our grand soeurs?
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