On Sun, 26 Sep 2004, Trishane Lee wrote:
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> How far is berekly from san jose?
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> just a question that determines if I can make it
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> Shane
Usually around 90 minutes driving--Berkeley's up 880 east of the Bay
Bridge--but it'd be smarter to drive to Fremont and then take BART.
--
Clarissa Cates-Smith Ryan
claris@...
http://www.sharedwing.net/
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It's over! Waah!
Enjoyable, if somewhat predictable. I haven't read the novels, but the people
who have say it
was very rushed and I can sort of see that.
Yumi really did nice in this episode. Her interaction with Touko was absolutely
wonderful -
once she doesn't see Touko as a threat anymore, she's not only able to be
pleasant but also
to manipulate her - this is to me the biggest sign that Yumi is starting to
mature. And I liked
Yumi waving to the onlookers, who were probably sure Yumi was going to whip out
a rosary on
Touko. :D
Youko shows up in a suit, looking like she went straight from high school to
high finance, but
her main job in the story is to get Yumi from Point A to Point B.
The cinematography in this episode was incredibly over the top (the car bouncing
around the
road, the line of fangirls on either side of the Lillian path, and of course the
vagina of roses that
Yumi and Sachiko stand between at the end), but for some reason it seemed to
work.
Sachiko... um, well, it's good to see her back with Yumi. I do like her, but
the Rainy Blue arc,
at least in the anime version, really did her no favors.
And that's it, at least unless someone hears about a Series 3 (I'm not very sure
about that,
myself. Novels 7-11 had several big arc plots to deal with that could be easily
made into
anime. 12-17, from what I know, are far more scattershot and not as
'anime-ready', with the
exception of the Kanako arc. But we shall see...)
Overall, I greatly enjoyed the 2nd season, and found the development of the
characters to be a
big plus. Hopefully someone will come along and license this (perhaps times so
that Ayu is
just about to release 13 when it's announced. ^_-)
--SG
I wish I could go since it's one of the rare weekends I'm back there, but
that's the day I fly out of the Bay Area. Just curious, why a Sunday?
kage-kun
"somewhere i have never travelled,gladly beyond"
-ee cummings
>From: gina marie <paradisekiss5@...>
>Reply-To: Yuricon@yahoogroups.com
>To: Yuricon@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Yuricon] UC Berkeley anime con
>Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:13:01 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I'd say around an hour or so depending on traffic
>http://animage.berkeley.edu/animed/index.php?page=maps
>Gina
>
i think it's the only time we could get to reserve the rooms.
Gina
Gina D <nineofnine@...> wrote:
I wish I could go since it's one of the rare weekends I'm back there, but that's the day I fly out of the Bay Area. Just curious, why a Sunday?
kage-kun
"somewhere i have never travelled,gladly beyond" -ee cummings
>From: gina marie <paradisekiss5@...> >Reply-To: Yuricon@yahoogroups.com >To: Yuricon@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Yuricon] UC Berkeley anime con >Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:13:01 -0700 (PDT) > >I'd say around an hour or so depending on traffic >http://animage.berkeley.edu/animed/index.php?page=maps >Gina >
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--- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, KathrynDarkStar@a... wrote:
> Your Color was... wow, what can I say? Beautiful and touching don't
> quite serve it justice.
Yes...I loved Your Color. You don't have to be an artsy person to love
it either. Just a bit easily touched by some cheesy bits possibly. ^^
~Ka-chan~
Hello! New member here. Nice to meet you all. I have a question about
a Shoujo-ai manga that I fell in love with called Pieta. I haven't
found much information about it, but is it only two volumes long?
I've read what I believe is all of the first book from
http://hactar.net/lily/projects.php. I'd like to one day buy it, but
I don't know if it'll ever be available in America.
That's all! Byebye for now.
--- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, "genkimonki" <genkimonki@y...> wrote:
> Hello! New member here. Nice to meet you all. I have a question
about
> a Shoujo-ai manga that I fell in love with called Pieta. I haven't
> found much information about it, but is it only two volumes long?
> I've read what I believe is all of the first book from
> http://hactar.net/lily/projects.php. I'd like to one day buy it, but
> I don't know if it'll ever be available in America.
>
> That's all! Byebye for now.
It's 2 volumes long. Lililicious hasn't finished scanlating it yet,
but they are planning to. :-)
Cheers,
Erica
On Sep 27, 2004, at 6:10 AM, sean@... wrote:
> It's over! Waah!
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> Enjoyable, if somewhat predictable. I haven't read the novels, but
> the people who have say it
> was very rushed and I can sort of see that.
Yeah, I agree. There certainly seemed to be enough material to make two
episodes out of this.
> Yumi really did nice in this episode. Her interaction with Touko was
> absolutely wonderful -
> once she doesn't see Touko as a threat anymore, she's not only able to
> be pleasant but also
> to manipulate her - this is to me the biggest sign that Yumi is
> starting to mature. And I liked
> Yumi waving to the onlookers, who were probably sure Yumi was going to
> whip out a rosary on
> Touko. :D
Yumi certainly seems to have gained more confidence in herself, and I
think that was what everyone was reacting to. Her quiet confidence
mistaken for the eerie calm before she throws down. ;) I kept
wondering if Kanako was among them, but I don't think they put her in
the backgrounds.
It was good to Shimako and Noriko again, it seems like ages since their
arc of episodes. I think Yumi comments that Shimako is fitting the role
of Rosa Gigantea now, and that's probably because of Noriko.
> Youko shows up in a suit, looking like she went straight from high
> school to high finance, but
> her main job in the story is to get Yumi from Point A to Point B.
I think the suit fits her well. And it was good to see her again, even
if she was just merely a plot device.
> The cinematography in this episode was incredibly over the top (the
> car bouncing around the
> road, the line of fangirls on either side of the Lillian path, and of
> course the vagina of roses that
> Yumi and Sachiko stand between at the end), but for some reason it
> seemed to work.
That would be the yuri bat, because, apparently, the yuri stick just
wasn't big enough. ;) I couldn't help but laugh when they did the
"vagina of roses," I was kinda reminded of Kaorin in Azumanga Daioh.
Way to be subtle, guys. LOL.
At least there, the hints of Yumiko and Sachiko's Grandmom's story
echoing Yumi and Sachiko's were pretty nice, only it looks like things
only got patched up too late for a happy ending. I suppose you could
take it as a metaphor for genre, Yumiko and Sachiko's Grandma was how
the story used to end, and Yumi and Sachiko are how we're ending it
now.
> Sachiko... um, well, it's good to see her back with Yumi. I do like
> her, but the Rainy Blue arc,
> at least in the anime version, really did her no favors.
Sachiko has to be the least developed of all the remaining Roses, but
that's probably a result of having the anime as the only point of
reference. I'm sure the novel had much more insight into Sachiko that
they couldn't cover in 25 minutes. Maybe I'll know more once I get the
fansub of this episode, but at the moment she still feels a little two
dimensional.
> And that's it, at least unless someone hears about a Series 3 (I'm not
> very sure about that,
> myself. Novels 7-11 had several big arc plots to deal with that could
> be easily made into
> anime. 12-17, from what I know, are far more scattershot and not as
> 'anime-ready', with the
> exception of the Kanako arc. But we shall see...)
The ending works as a season ender, not a series ender. At least not
for me. I suppose if we don't get any more episodes we can imagine the
both of them overcome by the moment and going to town on grandma's
deathbed. It's what she would have wanted. ;)
Personally, I want to see how things go from here. Will Yumi eventually
ditch the ribbons? Will she pick up the Gendo Ikari mannerisms that
seem to be traditional for the Chinesis family? Will Tsutako catch
Noriko and Shimako making out in the broom closet? What's up with Sei
and Kei? What happens in Italy? Will Yoshino ever get into fighting
trim? Will Touko ever become housebroken? Will we ever get to see
Kanako? Will Touko and Kanako have a cage match to determine once and
for all who gets to be Yumi's soeur? (Speaking of Kanako, although all
I know about her is what I get from fanart and comments from English
speaking Japanese fans, I will state on the record, that I'm officially
a Kanako supporter. Why? How about anybody but Touko? Or crazy stalkers
need a little love, too. Or since the Chinesis family seems to pick
their members from the mold of social reclamation projects, she fits
the bill perfectly. Did I mention anybody but Touko? ;) (Although, I'll
admit that anime Touko is not nearly as bad as I was lead to believe,
but I still don't like her. I think it's the sense of entitlement she
has, or the saccharine way she bounces her drills. Nope, don't like
her.)
> Overall, I greatly enjoyed the 2nd season, and found the development
> of the characters to be a
> big plus. Hopefully someone will come along and license this (perhaps
> times so that Ayu is
> just about to release 13 when it's announced. ^_-)
The coming season has some potential, but I'm going to miss Marimite
and its wonderful characters and the yuri bat appearances. Hopefully,
they decide to animate the other novels. Including the new one that's
going to be released next month. For the moment we have the eventual
release of the fansubs to look forward to. ;)
As for licensing, I get the feeling that when they announce licensing,
they'll announce Season 3 and possibly 4. I'd like to see them stretch
it out a bit, if they can stretch out the same five stories in Inuyasha
to 167 episodes, I'm sure they can coax 26 outta a handful of novels.
-==-
Serge
"Everybody's feeling fine, because it's party time!"
> In any case, for everyone *else* who doesn;t object to
> extra-super-cuteness,
That would be me then... ^_^
Heehee, I thought Angels' Wings was adorable (despite the characters
looking like they were both about seven). The world needs more
pointless yuri silliness...
Many thanks to Lililicious for another quality translation. I don't
know what I'd do without them, other than be more motivated to learn
Japanese properly myself...
dooky
(If this Anime Music Video has been mentioned here
previously, don't blame it on my lack of attention.
Blame it on the boogie.)
Alrighty, I'm gonna pipe up and mention soemthing that
downright DESERVES your attention... but that doesn't
mean I'm deLurking. I don't lurk. I merely keep my
mouth shut unless I have something worth saying. No
point saying 'Agel Wings' is the most sickeningly cutesy
Lillilicious comic ever. It's Satating the obvious,
y'know?
But I digress. And it was darn good. Definitely worth
those precious seconds of your life spent reading it.
Not mine, though. I got better things to do.
...like recommend a simply fantastic AMV. You WILL
like it. If you don't, you have no taste, and I hate
you.
"Fragile and Frail"
ANIME: Alien 9
ARTIST: Tori Amos
SONG: "These Precious Things"
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?
vid_id=49158
Wow, how's that for one helluva recipe for success?
I've been worshipping Tori Amos since I was a smart-
mouthed randy teen, and "These Precious Things" is one
of my most beloved songs. Sounds simply amazing when
done live.
And Alien 9? Well, watching it was one disturbing
experience, which was only compounded after reading
Kat's thesis on the series. Granted, key parts have
since been debunked (gee, what a funny/dirty word),
but I liked Kat's view on Alien 9 far more than the
author's. Remember, Kat: Your facts may not always
be right, but your opinions always are!
Of course, I mostly mean the theory on the OVA's ending.
Kat's theory is far better than the author's continuation.
Know the ending I'm talking about? If you don't, I
don't care about spoiling it for you, because it means
you're not an Alien 9 fan, and I hate you with the fury
of a nova. I'd spoil life for you if I could.
ALIEN 9 ENDING (Kat's): Very sad/tragic, but subject
to so much in-depth examination of the multi-layers of
the characters/story, that it's just beautiful. By
giving Kat's essay to someone who's just seen Alien 9
and they "just wanna hit Yuri in da face SO much!" , I
get an almost instant conversion to "Oh God... oh god
I need to hold her. The things I've said... it hurts.
It hurts in my heart."
ALIEN 9 ENDING (author's): Yuri get's felt up on the train
home from school, and then told it was her fault. Cue
laughter.
I hate Hitoshi Tomizawa so much. Every volume contains
promise after promise of brilliance, only to be cut off
with anticlimax EVERY DAMN TIME. Not that it ever
stopped me from reading every Alien 9 volume. Me
reading Alien 9 is the same as God watching us. The
more we see, the more we hate, the more we wish we
never started the damn thing... but we just have to see
what happens next!
Yup, I think all of the above needed to be said. The
internet, if nothing else, is the perfect place to talk
about who you hate and why. However, The important
bit was the weblink to the AMV. If you haven't
downloaded it yet, do it now.
... I SAID NOW!!!!!!!111111ONE11111
Kisses XXOOXX
Jen
Spoiler space
(Although given how much Japanese I know, it
hardly seems worth the worry)
Okay, so all I could tell was that a lot of the conversations in this
episode seemed to involve the truth, the world, and belief. (Good at
this, aren't I? ;) If someone who actually speaks Japanese wants to
give a saner summary, I'd be very grateful...
So we begin with Kuanjitta wittering about destiny. She really doesn't
seem to have had much point in this series overall, given that she
doesn't actually do anything in this episode either.
Then Madlax tells Margaret how she's the killer within her (and
something
about her heart). Letitia says that she's also a part of Margaret.
Friday Monday seems to have regained his eye, so Madlax shoots him some
more. (Go Madlax!) He vanishes in a very non-permanent kind of way.
Madlax offers Margaret her gun. She and Letitia explain something about
how they need to rejoin Margaret (I think) - something to do with the
books, perhaps. Margaret says she's scared. Madlax says something
which sounds like she's saying she wants to be able to be with Vanessa
and Eleanor... and I think Letitia says she wants to be with Poupee.
Rimelda is watching with Nahal (although what they're actually seeing,
given that everyone's in the elseworld right now, is a matter for
debate) and seems very concerned about Madlax.
Margaret invites Madlax and Letitia to take her hands; Madlax's gun and
Letitia the doll drop to the floor, so their human incarnations have
likely rejoined Margaret somehow. And oh, look! Friday Monday's back
again. Shoot him some more, someone, and see if he takes the hint this
time!
He's still trying to convince Margaret that he's her father (or
something alone those lines), but Margaret seems to have clued in that
her Dad was the one who tried to kill her. She picks up Letitia and
fondles the Madlax-gun, whilst Friday Monday starts breaking down the
wall between the worlds.
He cackles annoyingly. Then Margaret grabs the gun and points it at
him. She must not hate his blathering as much as the rest of us,
because she dithers for quite a while without blowing his head off. He
tries to convince her that she really doesn't want to kill him, but she
starts going rather Madlax on him. Finally, he tries to shoot her, but
Margaret-lax has the power to manipulate the Matrix, and cheerfully
watches his bullets ricochet around her before finally (finally!)
shooting him.
He wakes up back in his church-of-cackling, just in time for Madlax to
burst through the doors. Apparently he needs shooting in several worlds
just to get the hint. Yeesh.
Madlax lays waste to an entire church-full of heavily-armed hench (and
those expensive computers), and then inexplicably decides to let Friday
Monday shoot her before she gives him a lead injection too. He grabs at
the books for a minute, before finally dying. (And there was much
rejoicing!) Kuanjitta teleports in to gloat for a bit.
Back in the elseworld, Margaret climbs towards a large mirrored gateway.
Vanessa, Eleanor and Carossur tell her to open it, so she does.
Back in the real world, she finds Madlax (who's still rather the worse
for wear) and hugs her for a bit, saying "thank you" and "sorry" in a
way that probably includes a lot of exposition. Letitia appears, and
Margaret invites her to be her sister (or that's what it sounds like) in
the real world.
Over the ending credits, we see Margaret and her little sister watching
the sunset. Meanwhile, Rimelda (who's looking decidedly happy and
rather cute) is driving Madlax somewhere in her jeep. Madlax calls her
"baka" quite affectionately, and says she wants to cook some pasta when
she gets home. 3-Speed(?) calls her on her mobile, and the two women
drive off into the sunset together...
So, no reset that I could make out, but we *do* appear to at least get a
chance at some Madlax/Rimelda slashiness. (Poor Vanessa! But hooray
anyway. :)
I suspect there's a fairly clear link intended between the three facets
of Margaret represented by her, Madlax and Letitia and the three books.
--
Adam Jones (adam@...)(http://www.yggdrasl.demon.co.uk/)
.oO("I'm the *ninja consultant* for the Decepticons!" )
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--- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, Adam Jones <adam@y...> wrote:
Let me say this one, entirely non-spoiler thing.
It is *your* fault, Adam, that I was giggling in public, while
watching Madlax 25, and listening Friday Monday laughing for 20
straight minutes.
He REALLY has the worst laugh ever. I was howling on the train
listening to it. I must have looked mad as a porridge knife, laughing
at what would obviously look, with no sound, like a seious action
show, with guns pointing in every direction.
Let me also say that I *really* enjoyed the ending of this. It was not
what I expected at all, but very satisfying, if wildly ridiculous. :-)
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> Okay, so all I could tell was that a lot of the conversations in
this
> episode seemed to involve the truth, the world, and belief. (Good
at
> this, aren't I? ;) If someone who actually speaks Japanese wants to
> give a saner summary, I'd be very grateful...
I was amazed that I completely understood everything Margaret and
Madlax discussed. In short, Madlax told Margaret to kill her, so she,
Maragaret could move on and Madlax could be with her friends Vanessa
and Eleanor. Leticia agrees, because she's lonely and not really real.
Now that Pupe's gone, she wants to end.
Margaret choese to live with them both within her - because that is
*her* real truth.
> So we begin with Kuanjitta wittering about destiny. She really
doesn't
> seem to have had much point in this series overall, given that she
> doesn't actually do anything in this episode either.
Except give her life so Madlax can live, you mean?
> Friday Monday seems to have regained his eye, so Madlax shoots him
some
> more. (Go Madlax!) He vanishes in a very non-permanent kind of
way.
He could not have died enough. I wanted Madlax to kill him a few more
times.
> He's still trying to convince Margaret that he's her father (or
> something alone those lines), but Margaret seems to have clued in
that
> her Dad was the one who tried to kill her. She picks up Letitia and
> fondles the Madlax-gun, whilst Friday Monday starts breaking down
the
> wall between the worlds.
Yes, she understands, but she also knows that it was FM's fault that
he did so. She tells him flat out that it was his fault.
>
> He cackles annoyingly. Then Margaret grabs the gun and points it at
> him. She must not hate his blathering as much as the rest of us,
> because she dithers for quite a while without blowing his head off.
He
> tries to convince her that she really doesn't want to kill him, but
she
> starts going rather Madlax on him.
Not rather Madlax...she GOES Madlax. Her body language echoes Madlax's
completely. She IS Madlax now, which makes sense because in a sense
she was always Madlax.
> Madlax lays waste to an entire church-full of heavily-armed hench
In a decidely game-like sequence, which I am sure was the point
> Back in the elseworld, Margaret climbs towards a large mirrored
gateway.
> Vanessa, Eleanor and Carossur tell her to open it, so she does.
No. She steps up to the doors and, as Kuanjitta had told her, to think
of the things she wished to be. She imagines Vanessa, Eleanor and
Carlossur saying utterly normal things to her. For instance, Carlossur
says, "there are flowers here."
It's meant to seem as if she is wishing them back, but of course, she
isn't. She is accepting their deaths.
>
> Back in the real world, she finds Madlax (who's still rather the
worse
> for wear) and hugs her for a bit, saying "thank you" and "sorry" in
a
> way that probably includes a lot of exposition.
She is apologizing for making Madlax separate again. Because when
Madlax was just a facet of margaret, she could stand the pain, sincde
it wasn;t hers. But now that she is a real person of her own being,
her pain will have to be her own. Or close enough to make no
nevermind.
Letitia appears, and
> Margaret invites her to be her sister (or that's what it sounds
like) in
> the real world.
Yup.
>
> Over the ending credits, we see Margaret and her little sister
watching
> the sunset. Meanwhile, Rimelda (who's looking decidedly happy and
> rather cute) is driving Madlax somewhere in her jeep. Madlax calls
her
> "baka" quite affectionately, and says she wants to cook some pasta
when
> she gets home. 3-Speed(?) calls her on her mobile, and the two
women
> drive off into the sunset together...
>
Wasn;t that a really great scene? I mean, it was something totally
unexpected, IMHO. But it was really good.
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> So, no reset that I could make out, but we *do* appear to at least
get a
> chance at some Madlax/Rimelda slashiness. (Poor Vanessa! But
hooray
> anyway. :)
But Vanessa and Eleanor are in heaven together, so in a totally loser
way, they are together. :-)
>
> I suspect there's a fairly clear link intended between the three
facets
> of Margaret represented by her, Madlax and Letitia and the three
books.
We weren't really given any info on the nature of each individual
book, so while it's possible, I don't think it's clear at all. OTOH,
the books are now gone, so it hardly matters.
Leticia becoming real was wildly unexpected, but in many ways I think
it was brilliant. This series goes on my "must have" list, definitely.
Cheers,
Erica
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 01:12:33 -0000, "atheniag"
<anilesbocon01@...> wrote:
> --- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, Adam Jones <adam@y...> wrote:
> Let me say this one, entirely non-spoiler thing.
> It is *your* fault, Adam, that I was giggling in public, while
> watching Madlax 25, and listening Friday Monday laughing for 20
> straight minutes.
Glad to be of service... (What did I do, again? I forget.)
> Let me also say that I *really* enjoyed the ending of this. It was not
> what I expected at all, but very satisfying, if wildly ridiculous. :-)
It certainly wasn't a let-down, which is definitely a good thing.
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> I was amazed that I completely understood everything Margaret and
> Madlax discussed. In short, Madlax told Margaret to kill her
Glad to see I had roughly the right idea there, then.
> > So we begin with Kuanjitta wittering about destiny. She really
> doesn't
> > seem to have had much point in this series overall, given that she
> > doesn't actually do anything in this episode either.
> Except give her life so Madlax can live, you mean?
Ohhhhh... That would explain the Split Ends Of Destiny, then. Of
course, there was still absolutely *no* reason for Madlax to get shot by
Man Friday in the first place, but hey... At least it ties in with what
she was saying in episode 25 about giving up her life.
> > Friday Monday seems to have regained his eye, so Madlax shoots him
> > some more. (Go Madlax!)
> He could not have died enough. I wanted Madlax to kill him a few more
> times.
He's already been shot six(!) times in this series (Colonel Burton,
Carossur, Madlax, Madlax, Margaret, and then Madlax yet again). Any
more would have been well past the point of ridiculousness...
> > He cackles annoyingly. Then Margaret grabs the gun and points it at
> > him. She must not hate his blathering as much as the rest of us,
> > because she dithers for quite a while without blowing his head off.
> > He tries to convince her that she really doesn't want to kill him,
> > but she starts going rather Madlax on him.
> Not rather Madlax...she GOES Madlax. Her body language echoes Madlax's
> completely.
Yes. That pose was something of a give-away. It was only "rather"
prior to that point.
> > Madlax lays waste to an entire church-full of heavily-armed hench
> In a decidely game-like sequence, which I am sure was the point
Ooh, you cynic, you. ;)
> No. She steps up to the doors and, as Kuanjitta had told her, to think
> of the things she wished to be.
Ah...
> She imagines Vanessa, Eleanor and Carlossur saying utterly normal
> things to her. For instance, Carlossur says, "there are flowers here."
I caught that what they were saying was pretty mundane, but it seemed
like it might've been encouragement if I'd had more context.
> It's meant to seem as if she is wishing them back, but of course, she
> isn't. She is accepting their deaths.
However, your version works better, of course. :)
> > Meanwhile, Rimelda (who's looking decidedly happy and rather cute)
> > is driving Madlax somewhere in her jeep. Madlax calls her "baka"
> > quite affectionately, and says she wants to cook some pasta when she
> > gets home. 3-Speed(?) calls her on her mobile, and the two women
> > drive off into the sunset together...
> Wasn;t that a really great scene? I mean, it was something totally
> unexpected, IMHO. But it was really good.
Oh, definitely. It's a nice way to close for those two. I have a
feeling they might set up in business together somewhere. Perhaps they
could go the whole hog and call themselves "Noir"...
> > So, no reset that I could make out, but we *do* appear to at least
> > get a chance at some Madlax/Rimelda slashiness. (Poor Vanessa! But
> > hooray anyway. :)
> But Vanessa and Eleanor are in heaven together, so in a totally loser
> way, they are together. :-)
True...
> Leticia becoming real was wildly unexpected, but in many ways I think
> it was brilliant. This series goes on my "must have" list, definitely.
I suspect ADV will be getting another boatload of my money as well. :)
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I've receved a couple of requests over the last few months to offer a
RSS or XML feed for mt yuri web log, Okazu (http://okazu.blogspot.com)
. So, I was bored yesterday and decided to go ahead and do that.
If you use a Newfeed reader, or Feedster or any of the syndication
programs, you can now get Okazu. Just visit the site and click the
"Syndicate Okazu" or XML link on the right hand bar. :-)
If you don't have a clue what I'm talking about, just feel free to
visit the site, read the posts and comment. :-)
Cheers,
Erica
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 06:17:56 -0400, sean@... wrote:
> That being said, I was startled when I saw this subbed
> to realize how Rei and Sachiko were in on EVERYTHING.
> I had assumed that Touko merely went ahead with what
> she wanted and they played 'make sure she doesn't go
> too far'. But no, she told them the entire plan and
> they WENT ALONG WITH IT. I mean, I love Touko and
> all, but this was a dumb plan.
No kidding. Just a *little* on the crass side. I mean, couldn't they
just have told Shimako in private that they knew? It would've
accomplished the same effect...
(Unless part of the plan was to publicly "out" Shimako and Noriko, I
suppose.)
> The other thing that struck me was how much this
> reminded me of the current blogosphere campaign to
> 'out' prominent right-wing Republicans as gay.
...always an entertaining pasttime...
> Shimako was essentially being outed as Buddhist in
> front of all the first-years, and while Sachiko and
> Rei clearly wanted to show 'you think this is a huge
> problem, but it's really not' it's somewhat callous
> and insensitive on their parts.
I think they should've organised a faked burning-at-the-stake for her.
It would've been far more traditional.
> --Touko needs a spinoff of her own - maybe a Murder,
> --She Wrote type show...
ITYM "Murder, She Experienced". Each week Touko gets murdered in a new
and unusual way! Tune in next week for the thrilling "Death of a
Thousand Cuts"!
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--- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, sean@c... wrote:
> I think, more than anything, this shows that the
> current Yamayurikai (Sachiko, Rei, and Shimako) have
> one huge, huge problem that runs through all three of
> them - passivity. Shimako is slightly different -
> she's not easily led by more assertive characters like
> Rei and Sachiko are, but she still rarely takes the
> initiative. This is, I think, one reason why Touko's
> plan went through as is. I mean hell, even Eriko and
> Sei would have agreed a quiet chat was best. Both
> Sachiko and Rei seem slightly OOC here - the smugness
> they radiate not only doesn't suit them, it doesn't
> fit with the fact that this was all Touko's plan.
I don't think Sachiko is a passive character at all. Though I do think
that Rei & Sachiko are acting a bit OOC in this episode. They acted
rather thuggishly, far removed from their usual elegant selves.
The only explanation I can give is that they were on a bit of a power
trip from being newly made Rosas, and that Sachiko is trying to live
up to Youko's name by forcing the situation. Not that Youko would
*ever* have been so clumsy, heavy handed and overly melodramatic about
it. What I don't understand is why Rei went along with it, and why
Yoshino let Rei get away with Touko's plan, since there's no love lost
between Yoshino & Touko?
> Oh well, there's still lots of wonderful thigs here,
> notably anything with Shimako and Noriko together, and
> Touko's 'I played a great villain' line that had me
> howling with laughter. The wacky Scooby Doo ending
> makes a little more sense now.
The villain line had me laughing out loud, it was so transparently
evil. :)
Cheers,
~atua
--- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, sean@c... wrote:
> It's over! Waah!
And I was kind teary-eyed and everything. I'm such a softy...
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> Enjoyable, if somewhat predictable. I haven't read the novels, but
the people who have say it
> was very rushed and I can sort of see that.
I think what hits home about it being rushed is that it's one episode
of set-up, one episode of angst, one episode of resolution. It's
paced very artificially. I don't seehow they could have gotten around
that, really. Partially, again, it goes back to the way they extracted
the various arcs of eacg second-year from the whole of the novel.
> Yumi really did nice in this episode. Her interaction with Touko
> was absolutely wonderful - once she doesn't see Touko as a threat
anymore, she's not only able to be pleasant but also
> to manipulate her - this is to me the biggest sign that Yumi is
starting to mature.
I agree with your conclusion, but not so much with the logic leading
to it.
I don't see that Yumi ceases to see Touko as a threat, nearly so much
as she simply opts out of the conflict altogether. This is a legit
technique, but a very obscure one. Most people, when faced with
conflict automatically react with fight or flight. It's incredibly
difficult to get out of that kind of headspace to see the conflict for
what it is, and find a solution. Yumi finds a solution. She accepts
Touko's existence, and takes control of Touko's presence at the Rose
Mansion.
It's a very Taiji answer to the problem. "Ypu want to be here? Okay,
then be here...but on my terms. I respect that. :-)
And I liked
> Yumi waving to the onlookers, who were probably sure Yumi was going
to whip out a rosary on
> Touko. :D
I expect they expected *some* kind of drama. I can't imagine that they
thought a soeuring would accour, given the public fight Touko and yumi
had had a few days previous. I bet they were expecting a screaming
match.
>
> Youko shows up in a suit, looking like she went straight from high
school to high finance, but
> her main job in the story is to get Yumi from Point A to Point B.
Or a funeral. Kashiwagi's suit was a dead giveaway. Black suit, black
tie. No one, not even ultra-conservative business men where
black/black to anything else.
>
> The cinematography in this episode was incredibly over the top (the
car bouncing around the
> road,
Kashiwagi, once *again* paralleled to Akio in a way that utterly
creepy me out. All he needed was a flashing arrow pointing to him...
the line of fangirls on either side of the Lillian path, and of course
the vagina of roses that
> Yumi and Sachiko stand between at the end), but for some reason it
seemed to work.
It was OTT, it was goopy, if was nauseating. I loved it. LOL
Actually, the best moment in that little scenario was that Yumi kissed
Sachiko's hands when she reached out to her. I actually cheered at
that. It was a lovely thing to do.
>
> Sachiko... um, well, it's good to see her back with Yumi. I do like
her, but the Rainy Blue arc,
> at least in the anime version, really did her no favors.
Yup. I imagine that what I will get wehen I read the novel, is a
greater appreciation for the unhappiness that Sachiko has been feeling
all this time. (Yes, she *should* have told Yumi...but she wouldn't.
Why not? Because: 1) She is simply not used to sahring personal
details with people, and; 2) She did not want to burden Yumi. I
sympathize with both - although I agree that she SHOULD have at least
seen that she was causing Yumi to suffer.
OTOH, she's all of 17, so...yeah. I'm sure I was perfect then, too.
:-)
And this was a grandmother to whom she had been very close. It's all
well and fine to say, "she should have told Yumi" but when a person is
in a situation like that, not many will just tell other people, "I'm
sorry I'm out of sorts and distant, but my beloved grandmother is
dying and I am very self-absorbed." People don't work that way. Grief
is something that is very personal and hard to share.
It's kind of hokey, but I think I *do* forgive Sachiko, now, because
that is an incredibly difficult thing, when you are wrapped up in
personal misery, to see other's people's unhappiness.
>
> And that's it, at least unless someone hears about a Series 3 (I'm
not very sure about that,
> myself. Novels 7-11 had several big arc plots to deal with that
could be easily made into
> anime. 12-17, from what I know, are far more scattershot and not as
'anime-ready', with the
> exception of the Kanako arc. But we shall see...)
In any case, the manga should continue for some time to come - I think
we can at least assume that, unless the sales completely drop off,
they'll keep running that.
>
> Overall, I greatly enjoyed the 2nd season, and found the development
of the characters to be a
> big plus. Hopefully someone will come along and license this
(perhaps times so that Ayu is
> just about to release 13 when it's announced. ^_-)
There wasn't much dialogue in 13 that wasn't entirely predictable.
I really loved Yumi's moment with Sachiko's mother. Sayoko's pleas to
Yumi to reach out to Sachiko was really touching - and the first REAL
glimpse of what Sachiko has been going through that we see. It's not
until then that Yumi realizes all of what's been going on and really,
really forgives Sachiko. I think that, at that moment, I also forgave
Sachiko, bercause I could see just how hard she'd been trying to hold
herself together at school.
She *might* have explained to Yumi that she had something going on...
oh, wait, she DID say that, and we - and Yumi - didn't hear it.
Yumi might have asked - wait, she DID ask, and Sachiko told her that
she had some personal things she had to take care of.
So, you see? It's really no one's "fault". It's just back that old
"humans are fallible" thing.
I still think Touko's behavior was bratty and tedious. She *could*
have told Yumi what was up - Touko knew, and it was obvious that she
knew that Sachiko had not told Yumi. She *could* have been a
go-between, a support, a friend. Instead she chose to use her family
connections to drive a wedge between Yumi and Sachiko *because she
could.* That does not speak of a good person.
Sure, Yumi ultimately controls her. Sure, they become friends...I
still say that that is because of Yumi's nature, more than Touko's.
Touko is fortunate that Yumi figures her out and takes her in hand, or
she'd have grown up to be a friendless shrew. :-)
All in all, the end ep, just made me want more. But it was as good an
ending as you could want, unless it was Yumi and Sachiko kissing
passionately for a solid minute. At least we got to hear them tell
each other that they love each other. Yay, warm and fuzzy endings. :-)
Cheers,
Erica
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It's particularly amusing how Yumi used "Sei's skinship tactics"
Thus, proving once again that Yumi's true senpai is Sei. XD
Yumi can be quite chilling when she's adopting her new mask. I had
some goosebumps when she was waving to the crowd.
On Sep 30, 2004, at 6:17 AM, sean@... wrote:
> OK, I am a huge Touko fan, but I will admit this is not
> her finest hour. She's not evil, in my opinion, she's
> just pushy. She has an aura of 'I know how to fix
> everything, so I will do it' to her that's both
> irritating and endearing. But yeah, throwing the beads
> was wrong.
No she's not evil, she's just drawn that way. ;) From my
understanding, we were supposed to loathe Touko after this arc, but I
don't hate her that much. I think they needed to make her OTT evil,
like the mean girls in Oniisama E, replete with harsh lighting, for me
to really despise her.
(BTW: when Touko strikes her pose, underneath the "7" in the time
stamp, the girl in the background resembles Kanako. There were
screenshots on futaba-chan when it first aired, but I really didn't pay
attention the first time. I'm not sure if it was purposeful or even a
case of wanting to see something, but I'd just thought I'd point it
out.)
> That being said, I was startled when I saw this subbed
> to realize how Rei and Sachiko were in on EVERYTHING.
> I had assumed that Touko merely went ahead with what
> she wanted and they played 'make sure she doesn't go
> too far'. But no, she told them the entire plan and
> they WENT ALONG WITH IT. I mean, I love Touko and
> all, but this was a dumb plan. It's even clear she
> mentioned throwing the beads, as Rei and Sachiko's
> reactions show they knew it would happen.
> Both
> Sachiko and Rei seem slightly OOC here - the smugness
> they radiate not only doesn't suit them, it doesn't
> fit with the fact that this was all Touko's plan.
I'm reminded of something Erica said when I said something similar when
8 first aired, something like: "It doesn't makes sense if you think of
them as characters, but it does when you think of them as people." So
I've been trying to think of them that way, and I think, like atua
said, it was partly a power trip, on Rei and Sachiko's part, and partly
it's the kind of thing that makes sense when you're in high school. As
for why Yumi and Yoshino went along, well, since they were all so
concerned about Shimako, I don't think they even thought to question
how they were "helping" Shimako so long as they were.
> The other thing that struck me was how much this
> reminded me of the current blogosphere campaign to
> 'out' prominent right-wing Republicans as gay.
I've never really been in favor of outing anybody. They've obviously
made a choice and they're the ones that have to live with it. That
said, there is something to say about exposing hypocrisy, though it
still leaves a icky taste in my mouth in these cases.
> Shimako was essentially being outed as Buddhist in
> front of all the first-years, and while Sachiko and
> Rei clearly wanted to show 'you think this is a huge
> problem, but it's really not' it's somewhat callous
> and insensitive on their parts.
Well, it certainly wasn't the right way to go about it. Though,
Shimako's and Noriko's taking it in stride certainly didn't give them
impression that what they did was hurtful or wrong. So, there's no
impetus to for Rei or Sachiko to not be so manipulative next time.
Personally, I would have been royally pissed off, and I think Yumi
kinda expected Shimako to be upset, but she just laughs it off.
> Oh well, there's still lots of wonderful thigs here,
> notably anything with Shimako and Noriko together, and
> Touko's 'I played a great villain' line that had me
> howling with laughter. The wacky Scooby Doo ending
> makes a little more sense now.
Yes, I had forgotten the wide-eyed Noriko shots, followed by drool and
nosebleeds. ;) What struck me this time through was Sachiko's and
Yumi's relationship, especially after what happened in 11-13. It's
certainly seems as if everything's OK here, though viewed after later
events, does give it a bit of a dark cloud. I like how it looked like
Yumi was going to confess to Sachiko, right before Touko arrived and
the next scene they are sitting apart like nothing was going on.
Clearly an indication to the viewer that something was about transpire.
On Sep 30, 2004, at 1:10 PM, Adam Jones wrote:
>> --Touko needs a spinoff of her own - maybe a Murder,
>> --She Wrote type show...
>
> ITYM "Murder, She Experienced". Each week Touko gets murdered in a new
> and unusual way! Tune in next week for the thrilling "Death of a
> Thousand Cuts"!
I would *SO* pay money to see this. ;)
On Sep 30, 2004, at 5:33 PM, mellowrg wrote:
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> It's particularly amusing how Yumi used "Sei's skinship tactics"
>
> Thus, proving once again that Yumi's true senpai is Sei. XD
Yep. I'm not sure, but I think I heard Yumi say something along the
lines of "Sachiko is my boom." when Youko asks if she likes Sachiko.
But it may be my poor grasp of the language.
>
> Yumi can be quite chilling when she's adopting her new mask. I had
> some goosebumps when she was waving to the crowd.
I thought it was more confidence and self-assuredness and I found it to
be a good thing.
-==-
Serge
"Everybody's feeling fine, because it's party time!"
--- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, Chalcahuite <ximatl@i...> wrote:
> On Sep 30, 2004, at 5:33 PM, mellowrg wrote:
>
> >
> > It's particularly amusing how Yumi used "Sei's skinship tactics"
> >
> > Thus, proving once again that Yumi's true senpai is Sei. XD
>
> Yep. I'm not sure, but I think I heard Yumi say something along the
> lines of "Sachiko is my boom." when Youko asks if she likes Sachiko.
> But it may be my poor grasp of the language.
LMAO
> >
> > Yumi can be quite chilling when she's adopting her new mask. I had
> > some goosebumps when she was waving to the crowd.
>
> I thought it was more confidence and self-assuredness and I found it
to
> be a good thing.
>
Got to agree with that. I didn't see anything chilling in it - just a
much-needed dose of confident maturity. I thought it quite wonderful,
myself.
Cheers,
Erica
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:55:08 -0000, "Nicole" <kittyritz12@...>
wrote:
> Hey Adam, is it okay if you tell me where to get the raw for madlax
> 26 that you got? Is it still avalible as well? Thanks!
Well, I grabbed it via BitTorrent from:
http://www.mirkx.com.nyud.net:8090/search.php?search=madlax
There seem to be two separate trackers for it. No idea which of them
might still be running, but I got the l33t-raws one.
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--- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, "atheniag" <anilesbocon01@h...> wrote:
> --- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, Chalcahuite <ximatl@i...> wrote:
> > On Sep 30, 2004, at 5:33 PM, mellowrg wrote:
> >
>
> > >
> > > It's particularly amusing how Yumi used "Sei's skinship tactics"
> > >
> > > Thus, proving once again that Yumi's true senpai is Sei. XD
> >
> > Yep. I'm not sure, but I think I heard Yumi say something along
the
> > lines of "Sachiko is my boom." when Youko asks if she likes
Sachiko.
> > But it may be my poor grasp of the language.
>
> LMAO
>
The sure ask that "[insert name] no koto, suki?" question quite often
do they?
> > >
> > > Yumi can be quite chilling when she's adopting her new mask. I
had
> > > some goosebumps when she was waving to the crowd.
> >
> > I thought it was more confidence and self-assuredness and I found
it
> to
> > be a good thing.
> >
>
> Got to agree with that. I didn't see anything chilling in it - just
a
> much-needed dose of confident maturity. I thought it quite
wonderful,
> myself.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Erica
It's chilling in a good way. To see the usual animated Yumi so calm,
and latently forceful. That was a Rosa class demeanor there. It
reminds me of the first episode of season 1 Brr...
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