\ ... So do you think using other 'weaker' humans for material consumption (i.e. slavery, etc..) is okay? This is the same kind of exploitative mentality that...
... Yes, I read recently that some drugs can kill mice but be innocuous to rats! Kind of worrying... ... From: Clockwork Seraphim [mailto:tymat@...] ...
Kate, I hope you never get a job in the Corporate world. You should try working for a Multi-national! It will be bad enough watching the behaviour of kids at...
Seraphim, You seem to have little understanding of the world of computer modelling. Mathematical models for the human biological systems are not advanced...
And somehow rats seem to thrive in these environments..... chew the Fit <chewthefit@...> wrote:Kate, I hope you never get a job in the Corporate world....
You are a laugh Sean, bless your soul. Sean Scrivener <scriv@...> wrote:> Pharmaceutical companies have been testing their products on animals yet > ...
... Addressing this particular point of yours: one of the first things I learned in my cultural anthropology class is that all things related to food,...
... Given humanity's level of knowledge, understanding of the world (and I often see this vaunted here as the shameful thing to be lost when human extinction...
Jim They do use the mentally ill for testing drugs that alleviate symptoms of mental illness. Funnily enough we use rats to test drugs that get used in...
Jim ... Wrong again, just because you think we dont deserve to be part of the 'web of life' doesnt mean arent a part of it still. Just because we inadvertently...
... I was wrong sometime earlier? ... Oh, we're very good at claiming things. ... Problems with that box-of-chocolates approach are miscoordination of effort,...
... Meh? I was pointing out how futile it can be to test stuff on animals, given that substances that are 100% harmless to mice and chimps could still be fatal...
It can be futile on occasion, but the vast majority of the time, it is extremely fruitful. It could be considered useful to know that one substance that cures...
Jim ... Aren't we all? ... Whatever. You must be perfect. ... Social, political blah blah blah. The only forces are the ones inside your head and your ability...
Jimbo, what about the merciless removal of plant genitalia (cut flowers) purely for asthetic display. Freedom for carrots! Liberty for virii! Equity for...
WB ... My wife finds it very romantic. I myself dont find plant genitalia particularly attractive. ... When they finally grow legs, then sure, they can be free...
... You're making the common mistake of holding people responsible for the decisions and history that have gone before them. Many anesthetics and life-savers...
Jim ... I hear you loud and clear Jim, where is the line and what is appropriate to the betterment of the race as a whole. It would take a different person...
... ??? I certainly don't believe that, though maybe I was confusing in something I wrote. By not breeding, people do enormous good for the environment, at...
Ah, the two Jims locking horns again! ... I totally agree with you on this one. That's why I've been stressing that VHE can never be aimed for, and hence...
Vishwas, Jim, I suspect you won't get any more responses from Jimbo. He is too preocupied with a real life. Making music, contributing to the governance of...
... WB, On the contrary, I am sure I'll get a response, because Jimbo is a never say die man. In fact he (and Kate of course) are the two anti-Vhemters who are...
Jimbo is unfortunately no longer on this list. He is too busy with a real life. Kate ... WB, On the contrary, I am sure I'll get a response, because Jimbo is...
Hey Jim!! ... testing for human products are not given any choice. Ok. But the rat which got eaten by a snake also did not have a choice. The rat served the...
Kate wrote, ... There's an important difference between taking other animals' live to directly support one's own survival, as the snake does with the rat and...
Mr Jim Miller, What make you think animals have any higher rights than plants? or bacteria or fungi ? How do come to the conclusion that one kingdom, order,...
... I feel good about it in the sense that I believe it is the right thing to do (and because children would drive me nuts). It was a no-brainer for me. The...
... Just using a basic division that's recognized by science. Plants don't have the sophisticated neural systems of animals. I think it has been argued that...
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