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#2206

From: <k8mhz@...>
Date: Sat Jan 6, 2007 10:15 pm
Subject: More on FCC cites amateur

k8mhz

I suspected, as many others did, that there was more to the violation for failing to ID.

We were right.

Check out this enforcement letter:

(bold added to related question for clarity)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION
ENFORCEMENT BUREAU
NORTHEAST REGION
Philadelphia Office
One Oxford Valley Building, Suite 404
2300 East Lincoln Highway
Langhorne, Pennsylvania 19047
(215) 741-3016

December 20, 2006

Ronald Mondgock
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

LETTER OF INQUIRY

Case Number: EB-06-PA-001

The purpose of this letter is to follow up on a recent investigation, of the operation of your Amateur Radio Service station, on the frequencies 147.560 MHz and 439.850 MHz. in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. As discussed more fully below, agents determined the operation of your Amateur Radio Service station on the frequencies 147.560 MHz and 439.850 MHz violates Section 1.903(a) of the Rules⁵ and your operation on those frequencies must cease immediately. In addition, you are required to submit a detailed written response to the questions below regarding the operation of your station.

Background

The Philadelphia Office received information that you were operating radio transmitting equipment on the frequencies 147.560 MHz and 439.850 MHz. In response, the Philadelphia Office conducted an investigation between August 2006 and October 2006. An agent used direction finding techniques to determine that you apparently operated radio transmitting equipment on the frequency 439.850 MHz from your residence on September 19, 2006, between 8:45 p.m. and 9:30 p.m. and from your vehicle on October 24, 2006, between 5:30 p.m. and 6:02 p.m. In addition, on September 12, 2006, the agent used direction finding techniques to determine that you apparently operated a repeater station on the frequency 147.560 MHz from One Commerce Square in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

Operation on Unauthorized Frequencies

Section 1.903(a) of the Rules requires that "[s]tations in the Wireless Radio Services must be used and operated in accordance with the rules applicable to their particular service as set forth in this title and with a valid authorization granted by the Commission under the provisions of this part...." Section 97.301(e) of the Rules⁶ specifies that a control operator who holds a Novice Class license and who has received credits for proficiency in telegraphy in accordance with international requirements may only operate on the following frequency bands:

3.675 MHz - 3.725 MHz
7.100 MHz - 7.125 MHz
21.10 MHz - 21.20 MHz
28.10 MHz - 28.50 MHz
222.0 MHz - 225.0 MHz
1270.0 MHz - 1295.0 MHz

According to Commission records, you hold a Novice Class License in the Amateur Radio Service (Call Sign KA3OMZ). A Novice Class License does not authorize operation of radio transmitting equipment on the frequencies 147.560 MHz and 439.850 MHz. Thus, your station is operating in violation of 47 C.F.R. � 1.903(a).

THE OPERATION ON UNAUTHORIZED FREQUENCIES MUST BE DISCONTINUED IMMEDIATELY.

Inquiry

Pursuant to Sections 308(b) and 403 of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended,⁷ and Section 1.17 of the FCC's Rules,⁸ you are directed to provide a complete explanation to the following questions and should provide copies of any relevant documents:

Did you operate radio transmitting equipment on the frequency 439.850 MHz from your residence or vehicle on September 19, 2006 and/or October 24, 2006?
How long have you been operating radio transmitting equipment on the frequency 439.850 MHz?
What authorization do you have to operate on the frequencies 147.560 MHz and 439.850 MHz?
Were you communicating with Andrew Ban, the licensee of station KB3GRK, through the 147.560 MHz repeater station on September 19, 2006 and October 24, 2006?
Do you own and operate the 147.560 MHz repeater station at the One Commerce Square in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania?
When did you commence operation of the 147.560 MHz repeater station at One Commerce Square? Please provide any documentation that specifies the date the repeater system was installed, such as a copy of the lease with the building's management.
Why did the repeater station fail to automatically transmit a call sign identification?
Why did you fail to transmit your call sign when communicating on the frequency 439.850 MHz with your mobile station or portable radio on September 19, 2006 and October 24, 2006?
Except for your radio transmitting equipment in your vehicle and at your residence, do you operate any other radio transmitting equipment in the Amateur Radio Service?
Provide a detailed description of what steps you will take to prevent further operation on any frequency for which you are not authorized to operate.
Provide any other information that may be relevant to this inquiry.

Your response to this inquiry must be supported by a sworn statement, signed by you, attesting to the truth and accuracy of the response. You should submit the sworn response so that it is received at the following address no later than 20 days from the date of this letter:

Federal Communications Commission
Philadelphia Office
One Oxford Valley Building, Suite 404
2300 East Lincoln Highway
Langhorne, Pennsylvania 19047

To knowingly and willfully make any false statement or conceal any material fact in reply to this inquiry is punishable by fine or imprisonment. See 18 U.S.C. � 1801; see also 47 C.F.R. � 1.17. Failure to respond appropriately to a Bureau Letter of Inquiry constitutes a violation of the Communications Act and our rules. See SBC Communications, Inc., Order of Forfeiture, 17 FCC Rcd 7589 (2002); Globcom, Inc., Notice of Apparent Liability for Forfeiture and Order, 18 FCC Rcd 19893, n. 36 (2003).

Under the Privacy Act of 1974, 5 U.S.C. � 552a(e)(3), we are informing you that the Commission's staff will use all relevant material information before it to determine what, if any, enforcement action is required to ensure its compliance with FCC Rules. This will include any information that you discloses in your reply.

Sincerely,

Gene Stanbro
District Director
Philadelphia Office

Attachments:

Excerpts from the Communications Act of 1934, As Amended
Enforcement Bureau, "Inspection Fact Sheet", July 2003

#2207

From: "Laryn Lohman" <larynl@...>
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2007 4:20 am
Subject: Re: More on FCC cites amateur

larynl2

--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, <k8mhz@...> wrote:
>
> I suspected, as many others did, that there was more to the
violation for failing to ID.
>
> We were right.


For sure.  TWO lids talking to each other.......  I think they deserve
each other.

Laryn K8TVZ

#2208

From: "Andrew Young" <ayoung@...>
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2007 5:08 am
Subject: Re: Re: More on FCC cites amateur

n8ary

How hard would it have been for the guy yo take the Tech test? If he passed the Novice test, then the new Tech test should be a piece of cake with a little study.

Just shows you how lazy some folks can be.

----- Original Message -----

From: Laryn Lohman

To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:20 PM

Subject: [WestMichiganHams] Re: More on FCC cites amateur

--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, <k8mhz@...> wrote:
>
> I suspected, as many others did, that there was more to the
violation for failing to ID.
>
> We were right.

For sure. TWO lids talking to each other....... I think they deserve
each other.

Laryn K8TVZ

#2209

From: Mark Strait <muskegonjimquay@...>
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2007 7:24 am
Subject: Re: Re: More on FCC cites amateur

muskegonjimquay

Hi all ,

It seems to me that it dose not matter what you know to become a Ham . All you have to do is memorize the answers to the test .

I was so happy when I got my ticket . Then I talked to a fellow worker and told him of my success. He was also a Ham at one time . He grew up around Amateur Radio and gave it up when his Father died in the early 70s .

He told me that Hams now days are not like the Hams that passed the test 20 + years ago . That when he went for his license they were taught to build radios and other equipment that go along with the hobby . They were taught how to work a QSO , build Antennas, radios etc . He said that now days hams are taught how to pass a test , but not how to retain there knowledge or how to use the equipment .

He was taught through his boy Scout Troop and his father . They built a 2 and 6 meter rigs . They also learned CW. They worked on these things while at camp outs etc .

I have to agree. I was never taught much more than how to pass the test using common sense . Never once hands on experience was applied .

I do not want to take away from what I have achieved . It is the truth though .

Talking with other friends of mine they tell me of there local clubs . How they are open almost 24 hours a day . That they have 1st ,2nd and 3rd shift people in there club and use the shack at all times . How there club holds weekly events on how to work and understand various equipment . Get to know your rig night etc .

How hard would it be for a guy to take a tech test ? Yep , it shows how lazy Amateur Radio has become .

I'm not trying to take away anything from anyone who helped teach me . Just letting those of you know what I have been told from a few elmers along the way .

BTW .

I also dislike ww8www for ID

and 73s .

K8MHZ taught me that it is, " this is, KD8BIG "

73,

Big Mark

Andrew Young <ayoung@...> wrote:

How hard would it have been for the guy yo take the Tech test? If he passed the Novice test, then the new Tech test should be a piece of cake with a little study.

Just shows you how lazy some folks can be.

----- Original Message -----

From: Laryn Lohman

To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:20 PM

Subject: [WestMichiganHams] Re: More on FCC cites amateur

--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, <k8mhz@...> wrote:
>
> I suspected, as many others did, that there was more to the
violation for failing to ID.
>
> We were right.

For sure. TWO lids talking to each other....... I think they deserve
each other.

Laryn K8TVZ

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#2210

From: <k8mhz@...>
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2007 2:26 pm
Subject: Re: Re: More on FCC cites amateur

k8mhz

He also had an expired license if I remember....

----- Original Message -----

From: Andrew Young

To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 00:08

Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] Re: More on FCC cites amateur

How hard would it have been for the guy yo take the Tech test? If he passed the Novice test, then the new Tech test should be a piece of cake with a little study.

Just shows you how lazy some folks can be.

----- Original Message -----

From: Laryn Lohman

To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:20 PM

Subject: [WestMichiganHams] Re: More on FCC cites amateur

--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, <k8mhz@...> wrote:
>
> I suspected, as many others did, that there was more to the
violation for failing to ID.
>
> We were right.

For sure. TWO lids talking to each other....... I think they deserve
each other.

Laryn K8TVZ

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#2211

From: "Andrew Young" <ayoung@...>
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2007 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: Re: More on FCC cites amateur

n8ary

My point was that there is always someone out there who will try to circumvent the rules no matter how easy it is to follow them. They put forth hte effort for Technician some years back but will risk a huge fine to avoid upgrading to Tech?

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Strait

To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 2:24 AM

Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] Re: More on FCC cites amateur

Hi all ,

It seems to me that it dose not matter what you know to become a Ham . All you have to do is memorize the answers to the test .

     I was so happy when I got my ticket . Then I talked to a fellow worker and told him of my success. He was also a Ham at one time . He grew up around Amateur Radio and gave it up when his Father died in the early 70s .

       He told me that Hams now days are not like the Hams that passed the test 20 + years ago . That when he went for his license they were taught to build radios and other equipment that go along with the hobby . They were taught how to work a QSO , build Antennas, radios etc . He said that now days hams are taught how to pass a test , but not how to retain there knowledge or how to use the equipment .

     He was taught through his boy Scout Troop and his father . They built a 2 and 6 meter rigs . They also learned CW. They worked on these things while at camp outs etc .

     I have to agree. I was never taught much more than how to pass the test using common sense . Never once hands on experience was applied .

     I do not want to take away from what I have achieved . It is the truth though .

Talking with other friends of mine they tell me of there local clubs . How they are open almost 24 hours a day . That they have 1st ,2nd and 3rd shift people in there club and use the shack at all times . How there club holds weekly events on how to work and understand various equipment . Get to know your rig night etc .

How hard would it be for a guy to take a tech test ? Yep , it shows how lazy Amateur Radio has become .

    I'm not trying to take away anything from anyone who helped teach me . Just letting those of you know what I have been told from a few elmers along the way .

    BTW .

      I also dislike ww8www for ID

     and 73s .

      K8MHZ taught me that it is, " this is, KD8BIG "

                   73,

                             Big Mark

Andrew Young <ayoung@chartermi.net> wrote:

How hard would it have been for the guy yo take the Tech test? If he passed the Novice test, then the new Tech test should be a piece of cake with a little study.

Just shows you how lazy some folks can be.

----- Original Message -----

From: Laryn Lohman

To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:20 PM

Subject: [WestMichiganHams] Re: More on FCC cites amateur

--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, <k8mhz@...> wrote:
>
> I suspected, as many others did, that there was more to the
violation for failing to ID.
>
> We were right.

For sure. TWO lids talking to each other....... I think they deserve
each other.

Laryn K8TVZ

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#2212

From: <k8mhz@...>
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2007 2:32 pm
Subject: Re: Re: More on FCC cites amateur

k8mhz

Hi Mark,

I am glad you brought to light your observation about the skills needed to pass a Tech test vs. the skills needed to actually operate on the air. In the next class I teach I am going to try to make sure that people in the class are taught more than just the test. I want them to be able to get on the air and know what to do as soon as they pass the test. That is why my class is a couple weeks longer than most.

And what better reward for teaching than having your students become life long friends that share your favorite hobby with you?

Mark K8MHZ for ID

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Strait

To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 02:24

Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] Re: More on FCC cites amateur

Hi all ,

It seems to me that it dose not matter what you know to become a Ham . All you have to do is memorize the answers to the test .

     I was so happy when I got my ticket . Then I talked to a fellow worker and told him of my success. He was also a Ham at one time . He grew up around Amateur Radio and gave it up when his Father died in the early 70s .

       He told me that Hams now days are not like the Hams that passed the test 20 + years ago . That when he went for hi license they were taught to build radios and other equipment that go along with the hobby . They were taught how to work a QSO , build Antennas, radios etc . He said that now days hams are taught how to pass a test , but not how to retain there knowledge or how to use the equipment .

     He was taught through his boy Scout Troop and his father . They built a 2 and 6 meter rigs . They also learned CW. They worked on these things while at camp outs etc .

     I have to agree. I was never taught much more than how to pass the test using common sense . Never once hands on experience was applied .

     I do nt want to take away from what I have achieved . It is the truth though .

Talking with other friends of mine they tell me of there local clubs . How they are open almost 24 hours a day . That they have 1st ,2nd and 3rd shift people in there club and use the shack at all times . How there club holds weekly events on how to work and understand various equipment . Get to know your rig night etc .

How hard would it be for a guy to take a tech test ? Yep , it shows how lazy Amateur Radio has become .

    I'm not trying to take away anything from anyone who helped teach me . Just letting those of you know what I have been told from a few elmers along the way .

    BTW .

      I also dislike ww8www for ID

     and 73s .

      K8MHZ taught me that it is, " this is, KD8BIG "

                   73,

                             Big Mark

Andrew Young <ayoung@chartermi.net> wrote:

How hard would it have been for the guy yo take the Tech test? If he passed the Novice test, then the new Tech test should be a piece of cake with a little study.

Just shows you how lazy some folks can be.

----- Original Mssage -----

From: Laryn Lohman

To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:20 PM

Subject: [WestMichiganHams] Re: More on FCC cites amateur

--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, <k8mhz@...> wrote:
>
> I suspected, as many others did, that there was more to the
violation for failing to ID.
>
> We were right.

For sure. TWO lids talking to each other....... I think they deserve
each other.

Laryn K8TVZ

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#2213

From: Hank Greeb <n8xx@...>
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2007 4:18 pm
Subject: Fine points of Ham Radio Operating

n8xxham

When I took the test, and up until the FCC determined that they didn't
have enough resources to continue giving tests, the general areas of
knowledge upon which someone would be tested was known, but the exact
questions weren't.  We had to study from the license manual and the
handbook.  We never seemed to know what the questions might be.

When the FCC turned the task over to the Hams, the (several) Volunteer
Examination Coordinators (VEC's) were given the task of coming up with
the question pool, so the tests could be standardized throughout the
country.

I don't remember what the rhubarb was all about, but the "legal beagle
folks" got involved at some point in the past, not long after VEC's took
over the testing.  I believe that happened because a publishing company,
perhaps in cahoots with one of the VE Coordinators (NOT ARRL) asked
folks who too the test to copy the questions, from which then they
published a book containing all the questions. They were making money on
this publication, which caused others to cry foul.   The FCC's lawyers
decided that, if the VEC's couldn't police themselves, then the question
pool should be published.

The study guide suddenly morphed from a treatise on technical,
operating, and FCC rules, to a Q&A list of the exact questions which
will appear on the test.  There's many times more many questions as will
appear on the actual tests - but all tests must be formulated with a
certain percentage from each of the "blocks" of questions.

For most people, memorizing the whole test pool was easier than
absorbing the general knowledge from whence one can deduce the answer to
any of the questions.  Then, some enterprising folks decided that they
could teach enough of the answers in a day, so "ham in a day" classes
have sprung up.  If you get only 6 hours or less of class, there's not
much room for teaching things like how to operate a rig, protocol for
calling and answering another station, etc.

To help fill in these obvious gaps, the Grand Rapids ARA, the folks hold
an "open radio room" at W8DC, in the basement of the Kent County Red
Cross building, each Wednesday evening, beginning about 7 p.m..  Olde
Tymers and newcomers are invited to visit the station, to operate on any
of the several operating consoles on a variety of modes, etc.  The Olde
Tymers act as "Elmers", teaching by example the finer points of ham
radio operating.  No question is too stupid to ask.

I believe other groups (Muskegeon in particular) hold similar sessions.
This is a great service to the ham radio community, and those Olde
Tymers who participate deserve commendation.

73 de n8xx Hg

--------------------- Original Message Follows ---------------
Re: More on FCC cites amateur
Posted by: "Mark Strait" muskegonjimquay@...
Sat Jan 6, 2007 11:27 pm (PST)

Hi all ,

It seems to me that it does not matter what you know to become a Ham .
All you have to do is memorize the answers to the test .

I was so happy when I got my ticket . Then I talked to a fellow worker
and told him of my success. He was also a Ham at one time . He grew up
around Amateur Radio and gave it up when his Father died in the early 70s .

He told me that Hams now days are not like the Hams that passed the test
20 + years ago . That when he went for his license they were taught to
build radios and other equipment that go along with the hobby  They were
taught how to work a QSO , build Antennas, radios etc . He said that now
days hams are taught how to pass a test , but not how to retain there
knowledge or how to use the equipment . He was taught through his boy
Scout Troop and his father . They built a 2 and 6 meter rigs . They also
learned CW. They worked on these things while at camp outs etc .

I have to agree. I was never taught much more than how to pass the test
using common sense . Never once hands on experience was applied .

I do not want to take away from what I have achieved . It is the truth
though .

Talking with other friends of mine they tell me of there local clubs .
How they are open almost 24 hours a day . That they have 1st ,2nd and
3rd shift people in there club and use the shack at all times . How
there club holds weekly events on how to work and understand various
equipment . Get to know your rig night etc .

How hard would it be for a guy to take a tech test ? Yep , it shows how
lazy Amateur Radio has become .

I'm not trying to take away anything from anyone who helped teach me .
Just letting those of you know what I have been told from a few elmers
along the way .

BTW .
I also dislike ww8www for ID
and 73s .

K8MHZ taught me that it is, " this is, KD8BIG "

73,
Big Mark

#2214

From: Joe Veldhuis <kd8atu@...>
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2007 5:06 pm
Subject: Re: Fine points of Ham Radio Operating

electrode_kd...

You forgot Pol^W Holland! This Wednesday will be the fourth open radio room
night at the HARC Technology and Training Center at 280 E 8th St. Like the GR
club's event, ours also starts at 7 PM. We've been trying to call the W8DC shack
on 6 meters but have had little success...

-Joe, N8FQ

On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:18:05 -0500
Hank Greeb <n8xx@...> wrote:

> To help fill in these obvious gaps, the Grand Rapids ARA, the folks hold
> an "open radio room" at W8DC, in the basement of the Kent County Red
> Cross building, each Wednesday evening, beginning about 7 p.m..  Olde
> Tymers and newcomers are invited to visit the station, to operate on any
> of the several operating consoles on a variety of modes, etc.  The Olde
> Tymers act as "Elmers", teaching by example the finer points of ham
> radio operating.  No question is too stupid to ask.
>
> I believe other groups (Muskegeon in particular) hold similar sessions.
> This is a great service to the ham radio community, and those Olde
> Tymers who participate deserve commendation.

#2215

From: <k8mhz@...>
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2007 6:19 pm
Subject: Re: Fine points of Ham Radio Operating

k8mhz

Good post.

Anyone else having open radio sessions please post the info here!

73 K8MHZ

----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Veldhuis

To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 12:06

Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] Fine points of Ham Radio Operating

You forgot Pol^W Holland! This Wednesday will be the fourth open radio room night at the HARC Technology and Training Center at 280 E 8th St. Like the GR club's event, ours also starts at 7 PM. We've been trying to call the W8DC shack on 6 meters but have had little success...

-Joe, N8FQ

On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:18:05 -0500
Hank Greeb <n8xx@...> wrote:

> To help fill in these obvious gaps, the Grand Rapids ARA, the folks hold
> an "open radio room" at W8DC, in the basement of the Kent County Red
> Cross building, each Wednesday evening, beginning about 7 p.m.. Olde
> Tymers and newcomers are invited to visit the station, to operate on any
> of the several operating consoles on a variety of modes, etc. The Olde
> Tymers act as "Elmers", teaching by example the finer points of ham
> radio operating. No question is too stupid to ask.
>
> I believe other groups (Muskegeon in particular) hold similar sessions.
> This is a great service to the ham radio community, and those Olde
> Tymers who participate deserve commendation.

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#2216

From: <k8mhz@...>
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2007 8:32 pm
Subject: Breaking News

k8mhz

All today.

NYC - Mysterious smelly gas covers city as well as parts of NJ.

Miami - Suspicious package near cruise ship tests positive for explosives.

Austin - City shuts down after birds drop dead in the street.

Houston - Chemical cloud from plant in Sugarland TX headed toward city.

Pretty strange to have all this happen in one day.....

Keep an eye on CNN. Also check www.cnn.com for details.

Mark K8MHZ

#2217

From: Mark Strait <muskegonjimquay@...>
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2007 10:03 pm
Subject: Re: Breaking News

muskegonjimquay

Fox news also has coverage .

They report . We decide .

http://www.foxnews.com/index.html

k8mhz@... wrote:

All today.

NYC - Mysterious smelly gas covers city as well as parts of NJ.

Miami - Suspicious package near cruise ship tests positive for explosives.

Austin - City shuts down after birds drop dead in the street.

Houston - Chemical cloud from plant in Sugarland TX headed toward city.

Pretty strange to have all this happen in one day.....

Keep an eye on CNN. Also check www.cnn.com for details.

73

Mark K8MHZ

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#2218

From: Mark Strait <muskegonjimquay@...>
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2007 10:16 pm
Subject: Re: Fine points of Ham Radio Operating

muskegonjimquay

I have been in your radio room at the Red Cross a few times . Very nice and enjoyed the folks there at Grand Rapids ARA .

"KD8BIG"

Hank Greeb <n8xx@...> wrote:

When I took the test, and up until the FCC determined that they didn't
have enough resources to continue giving tests, the general areas of
knowledge upon which someone would be tested was known, but the exact
questions weren't. We had to study from the license manual and the
handbook. We never seemed to know what the questions might be.

When the FCC turned the task over to the Hams, the (several) Volunteer
Examination Coordinators (VEC's) were given the task of coming up with
the question pool, so the tests could be standardized throughout the
country.

I don't remember what the rhubarb was all about, but the "legal beagle
folks" got involved at some point in the past, not long after VEC's took
over the testing. I believe that happened because a publishing company,
perhaps in cahoots with one of the VE Coordinators (NOT ARRL) asked
folks who too the test to copy the questions, from which then they
published a book containing all the questions. They were making money on
this publication, which caused others to cry foul. The FCC's lawyers
decided that, if the VEC's couldn't police themselves, then the question
pool should be published.

The study guide suddenly morphed from a treatise on technical,
operating, and FCC rules, to a Q&A list of the exact questions which
will appear on the test. There's many times more many questions as will
appear on the actual tests - but all tests must be formulated with a
certain percentage from each of the "blocks" of questions.

For most people, memorizing the whole test pool was easier than
absorbing the general knowledge from whence one can deduce the answer to
any of the questions. Then, some enterprising folks decided that they
could teach enough of the answers in a day, so "ham in a day" classes
have sprung up. If you get only 6 hours or less of class, there's not
much room for teaching things like how to operate a rig, protocol for
calling and answering another station, etc.

To help fill in these obvious gaps, the Grand Rapids ARA, the folks hold
an "open radio room" at W8DC, in the basement of the Kent County Red
Cross building, each Wednesday evening, beginning about 7 p.m.. Olde
Tymers and newcomers are invited to visit the station, to operate on any
of the several operating consoles on a variety of modes, etc. The Olde
Tymers act as "Elmers", teaching by example the finer points of ham
radio operating. No question is too stupid to ask.

I believe other groups (Muskegeon in particular) hold similar sessions.
This is a great service to the ham radio community, and those Olde
Tymers who participate deserve commendation.

73 de n8xx Hg

--------------------- Original Message Follows ---------------
Re: More on FCC cites amateur
Posted by: "Mark Strait" muskegonjimquay@yahoo.com
Sat Jan 6, 2007 11:27 pm (PST)

Hi all ,

It seems to me that it does not matter what you know to become a Ham .
All you have to do is memorize the answers to the test .

I was so happy when I got my ticket . Then I talked to a fellow worker
and told him of my success. He was also a Ham at one time . He grew up
around Amateur Radio and gave it up when his Father died in the early 70s .

He told me that Hams now days are not like the Hams that passed the test
20 + years ago . That when he went for his license they were taught to
build radios and other equipment that go along with the hobby They were
taught how to work a QSO , build Antennas, radios etc . He said that now
days hams are taught how to pass a test , but not how to retain there
knowledge or how to use the equipment . He was taught through his boy
Scout Troop and his father . They built a 2 and 6 meter rigs . They also
learned CW. They worked on these things while at camp outs etc .

I have to agree. I was never taught much more than how to pass the test
using common sense . Never once hands on experience was applied .

I do not want to take away from what I have achieved . It is the truth
though .

Talking with other friends of mine they tell me of there local clubs .
How they are open almost 24 hours a day . That they have 1st ,2nd and
3rd shift people in there club and use the shack at all times . How
there club holds weekly events on how to work and understand various
equipment . Get to know your rig night etc .

How hard would it be for a guy to take a tech test ? Yep , it shows how
lazy Amateur Radio has become .

I'm not trying to take away anything from anyone who helped teach me .
Just letting those of you know what I have been told from a few elmers
along the way .

BTW .
I also dislike ww8www for ID
and 73s .

K8MHZ taught me that it is, " this is, KD8BIG "

73,
Big Mark

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#2219

From: "Laryn Lohman" <larynl@...>
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2007 5:33 am
Subject: Linked System Receiver in Holland

larynl2

Thanks to Abe W8HVG there is now a receiver
for the 147.16 linked repeater system in Holland. It is at the
hospital, using the same antenna that the 147.06 repeater uses. It is
a receiver, not a linked repeater. It requires a subaudible tone of
118.8 cycles. Just set up a new memory in your radio with this tone
so you can go to it easily. Now you can sit in your easy chair and
talk back to GR (well, if near Holland).....

Laryn K8TVZ

#2220

From: "Bill" <bill_fries@...>
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2007 4:22 pm
Subject: Busy Weekend!

bill_fries_jr

All:

This weekend at the MAARC clubhouse will be a number of activities you
are invited to attend and actively participate.

First is a free breakfast starting at 8:30 am.  There is lots on the
menu and most of which you will enjoy!  This breakfast encourages our
ham friends to drop in and enjoy the gear sale and auction.  Yep,
we'll have a mini swap.

You can bring in your gear for sale, we'll have gear for sale, and the
fun starts after the breakfast.  Some items will have price tags while
others are offered on a silent auction.  The larger gear will have a
reserve price.  You can bring in your gear and we'll horse trade and
shoot the breeze until about noon.

Starting at noon on Saturday we will participate in the FIRST annual
Winter Field Day.  The fun starts at noon and runs until noon on
Sunday.  There will be several shacks for you to operate and enjoy.

We have been invited to work W7W, the special event station from
Arizona.  Clarke, K8BP will be one of the operators at their event
shack.  It will be such fun!

Go to http://www.picmyphotos.com and enter the password "NS8Z" to view
the equipment that will be presented for sale at the clubhouse on
January 13th and 14th during the "Winter Field Day" operation.

We have been having problem accessing this site.  I understand that
the problems will be fixed in the next day or so.  Please check back
there often to see the items available.

Put this weekend on your calendar.  You won't want to miss the
activities.  Kind of an open shack night on steroids.  Tons of fun.
Radio Active!

Bill, AB8SC

#2221

From: Hank Greeb <n8xx@...>
Date: Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:52 am
Subject: Alabama Amateur Mounts Tower Protest

n8xxham

from the QRP-L @ mailman.qth.com reflector.  Very interesting....

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:     [QRP-L] Alabama Amateur Mounts Tower Protest
Date:     Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:50:32 -0600
From:     Mike Duke, K5XU <k5xu@...>
Reply-To:     Mike Duke, K5XU <k5xu@...>
To:     qrp <qrp-l@...>

In case you aren't aware of this.....

Jan. 05 2007,09:20 by kg4rpe

Wayne Spires (KF4BJT), a Wetumpka, AL ham is now sitting perched a top
his 68 foot radio tower behind his house in protest of a judges ruling
forcing him to become a part of a homeowners association. He says that
20 years ago when he bought the property located along the river that it
was listed as unrestricted. He has been atop the tower for about three
or four days and says he will not come down until his next court date
which is scheduled for Feb. 5th.

The nationaly syndicated radio team Rick and Bubba out of WZZK 104.7 in
Birmingham, AL interviewed Mr. Spires, his wife, and a daughter live by
phone this morning. They also talked yesterday by phone to the sheriff
who said as long  as Mr. Spires does not try to hurt himself or somebody
else his department will not interfere. William "Bubba" Bussey (KJ4JJ)
the co-host of Rick and Bubba, explained on yesterday's show the
importance ham radio can play in a time of emergency and the importance
for good towers for hams to own and use.  (Bubba is a very active ham
and promotes it often on their program.)

His family as well as other neighbors, friends, and hams all are
sending  their support to him.

for another report, check:

http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=5883357&nav=0RdM

Mike Duke, K5XU
American Council of Blind Radio Amateurs

#2222

From: <k8mhz@...>
Date: Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:58 am
Subject: Re: Alabama Amateur Mounts Tower Protest

k8mhz

He is down now. He only stayed up for a week.

I have had antennas not last that long....

----- Original Message -----

From: Hank Greeb

To: West Michigan Hams

Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 21:52

Subject: [WestMichiganHams] Alabama Amateur Mounts Tower Protest

from the QRP-L @ mailman.qth.com reflector. Very interesting....

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [QRP-L] Alabama Amateur Mounts Tower Protest
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:50:32 -0600
From: Mike Duke, K5XU <k5xu@....com>
Reply-To: Mike Duke, K5XU <k5xu@....com>
To: qrp <qrp-l@mailman.qth.net>

In case you aren't aware of this.....

Jan. 05 2007,09:20 by kg4rpe

Wayne Spires (KF4BJT), a Wetumpka, AL ham is now sitting perched a top
his 68 foot radio tower behind his house in protest of a judges ruling
forcing him to become a part of a homeowners association. He says that
20 years ago when he bought the property located along the river that it
was listed as unrestricted. He has been atop the tower for about three
or four days and says he will not come down until his next court date
which is scheduled for Feb. 5th.

The nationaly syndicated radio team Rick and Bubba out of WZZK 104.7 in
Birmingham, AL interviewed Mr. Spires, his wife, and a daughter live by
phone this morning. They also talked yesterday by phone to the sheriff
who said as long as Mr. Spires does not try to hurt himself or somebody
else his department will not interfere. William "Bubba" Bussey (KJ4JJ)
the co-host of Rick and Bubba, explained on yesterday's show the
importance ham radio can play in a time of emergency and the importance
for good towers for hams to own and use. (Bubba is a very active ham
and promotes it often on their program.)

His family as well as other neighbors, friends, and hams all are
sending their support to him.

for another report, check:

http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=5883357&nav=0RdM

Mike Duke, K5XU
American Council of Blind Radio Amateurs

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#2223

From: "Deater, Tim" <tdeater@...>
Date: Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:35 pm
Subject: FW: Ham Radio Equipment

timdeater

I have come across the following equipment for sale.  Send an email to
PKiester@... Patricia Kiester if you have any questions or to make
an offer.

Tim Deater
KC8MSE

-----Original Message-----
But I will list what I have and the prices that a couple of my friends
looked up- just to give me a ballpark figure. All of these prices are
negotiable. So if you or anyone is interested at all just get ahold of
me.

Kenwwod Multiband Transreceiver- Model# TS570  $949 If New
One of these radios was only used a short time
Kenwood Multiband Transreceiver- Model# TS940OS $949 - used    time.


Kenwood Power Supply KP15


Allied Receiver Model A2515 -$50


YAAGI Outside Antenna- ??-
Kenwood Handheld 144 2 meter Model# TH225A

1 Practice Keypad $10
Speedex Code Key $20

Kenwood base station Microphone Model# MC-60  -$149 (new) asking $50

Yaesu G-1000SDX $50

There might be more but this gives you an idea. This is all going too.
If any questions just give a call or e-mail me.
Thanks
Pat Kiester


________________________________

From: Deater, Tim [mailto:tdeater@...]
Sent: Fri 1/5/2007 12:01 PM
To: Kiester, Patricia
Subject: Ham Radio Equipment



I heard trough the grapevine that you have some ham radio equipment and
a tower for sale.  What do you have and how much are you looking to get
for the items?



Thanks!

Tim Deater

KC8MSE

Newaygo County Skywarn Coordinator

231-924-8806

Fax 231-924-8912

tdeater@...

http://www.tdats.net <http://www.tdats.net/>

#2224

From: paul odem <rockyroster@...>
Date: Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:21 pm
Subject: Fwd: ARLB002 California ham has role in sea rescue

kc8zmo

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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB002
ARLB002 California ham has role in sea rescue

ZCZC AG02
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 2  ARLB002
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  January 9, 2007
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB002
ARLB002 California ham has role in sea rescue

A California radio amateur played a part in an international effort
to rescue a US sailor attempting to single-handedly circumnavigate
the globe. Miguel ''Mike'' Morales, KC6CYK, of Riverside, told ARRL he
was able to contact fellow radio amateurs in Chile to obtain and
relay reassuring information to the family of Ken Barnes, whose
44-foot ketch Pivateer was foundering off South America. A Chilean
trawler, Polar Pesca 1, rescued Barnes from his disabled vessel on
January 5. Upon learning of Barnes's predicament on January 2,
Morales said he contacted the sailor's fiance, Cathy Chambers.

''She mentioned that the satellite telephone was dying on him over
there, so their communication was 30 to 60 seconds at a time,''
Morales recounted. ''I was lucky enough, I got in touch with some of
the Charlie Echo [CE-prefix] stations until I got to someone in
Punta Arenas, and then Polar Pesca, the vessel that did the rescue.''
Morales speaks fluent Spanish and has visited Chile and knew ''the
way things operate down there.'' As a result, he says, he was able to
obtain credible reports via his 10-meter contacts as to what was
happening.

Morales said he was able to gather information via his Chilean ham
radio contacts from the Polar Pesca 1. He relayed information about
Barnes's location and when he was going to be rescued. Morales said
he felt it was important for the family to know Barnes's situation
and how the rescue plans were playing out.

Barnes, who's 47, left Long Beach, California, late last October,
hoping to be the first person to sail around the world from the West
Coast. A severe storm dismasted, badly damaged the vessel and soaked
his supplies.

The Chilean Navy dispatched one of the CP3 Orion aircraft Chile uses
to patrol its 200-mile-offshore territorial claim. The plane spotted
the foundering vessel, photographed it and even attempted to drop a
life raft that missed its mark. The Chilean Navy coordinated the
operation and recruited the Polar Pesca 1 to undertake the actual
rescue, although Morales says the US Coast Guard agreed to cover the
expense. At that point he was able to pass along news to the family
that the trawler was en route to Barnes's location.

''The main thing is, Ken Barnes is back, is alive,'' Morales said.
''What I did was on behalf of the US ham radio community, I believe.
That's what you're there for.''

Barnes is scheduled to return home to California this week, and
Morales will be among those on hand to welcome him.
NNNN
/EX

#2225

From: <k8mhz@...>
Date: Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:57 pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: ARLB002 California ham has role in sea rescue

k8mhz

Wow,

10 meters from California to Chile.

Cool!

----- Original Message -----

From: paul odem

To: larry alman ; lyle bennett ; ronald betz ; randy BRUNNER ; everett burkey ; michael carigon ; david carter ; gary grabenstein ; daniel graham ; don havlicek ; greg hiscock ; robert macdonald ; david mccomb ; steven meinhardt ; larry miller ; gary norris ; paul odem ; michael peterson ; dan pettengill ; clifford searles ; michael a towns sr ; Tom VanderMel ; westmichiganhams@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:21

Subject: [WestMichiganHams] Fwd: ARLB002 California ham has role in sea rescue

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#2226

From: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:01 pm
Subject: SW Ohio Digital Sympsium, 1/13/2007, 9:00 am

WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com

Reminder from:		WestMichiganHams Yahoo! Group

Title:		SW Ohio Digital Sympsium

Date:		Saturday January 13, 2007
Time:		9:00 am - 4:00 pm
Location:		Miami University, Middletown Campus, Middletown, OH
Notes:		See http://www.swohdigi.org for details

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#2227

From: "Bill" <bill_fries@...>
Date: Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:12 pm
Subject: What Are You Doing Saturday?

bill_fries_jr

Hey, got anything going Saturday?  Drop by the clubhouse any time and
get in on the great events centered on radio.

I'll buy you breakfast when you show up around 8:30 am.

Hang around or drop in later and you can purchase some great ham gear
at really good prices.  Bring your own gear for sale or maybe we can
trade.  There's a ham swap on Saturday.  I've got some gear in there
and so do other hams.

Like to contest?  We're doing Winter Field Day that starts at noon on
Saturday and runs until noon on Sunday.

Tons of stuff going on!  And you thought this was another boring
winter weekend??!

Bill, AB8SC

#2228

From: Joe Veldhuis <kd8atu@...>
Date: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:05 pm
Subject: Holland ARC open radio room night - Tuesdays @ 7 PM

electrode_kd...

At the HARC monthly business meeting this week, it was decided to move our open
radio room night to Tuesdays. So anyone interested in dropping by, don't do so
on Wednesday. The door will be open by 7 PM, and possibly earlier.

As an aside, we were called on our 2 meter repeater by N8DGD at W8DC this
Wednesday, and attempted to make contact on 6 meters, but were unable to do so.
At least we got one attempt in...

-Joe, N8FQ
HARC secretary

#2229

From: K8TB <k8tb@...>
Date: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:48 pm
Subject: Re: What Are You Doing Saturday?

wa8ure

Bill wrote:

  >Hey, got anything going Saturday? Drop by the clubhouse any time and
  >get in on the great events centered on radio.

Bill,

      There is one problem that I notice with this forum, and that each
group within West Michigan that posts' on the forum, assumes that
everyone knows absolutely everyone else, and where they are located.
When I first read you email, I was thinking that the open house was for
the Holland club. It took a few seconds to have the old noggin figure
out that you meant the Muskegon club.

     I have noticed several other event messages that do not indicate the
location, or who is behind it.

     Remember the old adage: Who,What, When, and Where.

     Tom K8TB (from Hudsonville, member of the Holland group!!)

#2230

From: Bill Fries <bill_fries@...>
Date: Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:09 pm
Subject: Re: What Are You Doing Saturday?

bill_fries_jr

Oops!  BIG OOPS!!!

Yep, meant to say, the Muskegon radio club's facility on Scenic Drive
north of Muskegon.

Still runs all day Saturday and half the day on Sunday.

VERY SORRY!

Bill, AB8SC

#2231

From: "Chris Schulte" <ab8wo2006@...>
Date: Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:13 pm
Subject: Re: What Are You Doing Saturday?

kc8zsj

Unfortunately, homework homework and more homework. Just to keep things interesting, I'll be doing homework this weekend. *laugh*

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Fries

To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 6:09 PM

Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] What Are You Doing Saturday?

Oops! BIG OOPS!!!

Yep, meant to say, the Muskegon radio club's facility on Scenic Drive
north of Muskegon.

Still runs all day Saturday and half the day on Sunday.

VERY SORRY!

Bill, AB8SC

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#2232

From: "Hank Greeb" <n8xx@...>
Date: Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:42 am
Subject: Contact from Hell, anyone?

n8xxham

This is to announce that N8XX will be going to hell.

(Now, don't everyone cheer at once)

Actually, there's a QRP contest, sponsored by the AzScQRPions QRP
club, call the annual F)reeze Y)our B)... O)ff (FYBO) which will be
held between 1400Z and 2359Z on 3 February 2007.  The idea is to take
a QRP rig to the field, set up, and contact as many stations as
possible.  There's a category for home (indoor) stations for those
who don't want to freeze their b...s off.  :)

I figured that folks might like contacting someone from Hell, so I'm
proposing to drive over to Hell, Michigan, and set up operation.  (We
hope Hell will be frozen over, though the probability is lower than
for a typical winter. :)

There's one other fellow who has shown interest, and he will probably
bring a SSB rig, so we should be able to operate on both CW and SSB.
(My HW-9 only operates on CW).

I've reserved the special call N8H for the event, so, if you want a
QSL from Hell, look for us on 7.04 MHz (CW) and 7.285 MHz (SSB).

For details on the contest see

http://www.azscqrpions.org/FYBO2007_01072007.htm

73 de n8xx Hg (N8H during FYBO 2007)

p.s. you DON't have to be running QRP <5 W, or be operating from the
field to contact N8H.  All contacts will be appreciated.  If you want
a special QSL, send #10 or larger SASE to N8XX QTHR.

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#2233

From: <k8mhz@...>
Date: Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:55 am
Subject: Re: What Are You Doing Saturday?

k8mhz

And for those of you that don't know the address it is 2888 Senic Drive.

Click on this link for a map: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=2888+Scenic+Dr,+Muskegon,+MI+49445&ie=UTF8&z=13&ll=43.297823,-86.350136&spn=0.072712,0.193977&om=1&iwloc=addr

There should be a few people on the '94 repeater that can talk you in. 146.94 with a PL of 94.8.

It sets back off the road a bit so the antennas aren't visible but you may be able to smell the food...

CU there and 73,

Mark K8MHZ

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Fries

To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 18:09

Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] What Are You Doing Saturday?

Oops! BIG OOPS!!!

Yep, meant to say, the Muskegon radio club's facility on Scenic Drive
north of Muskegon.

Still runs all day Saturday and half the day on Sunday.

VERY SORRY!

Bill, AB8SC

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#2234

From: <k8mhz@...>
Date: Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:31 am
Subject: Re: Contact from Hell, anyone?

k8mhz