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#1878 From: "ravennaelectronics" <ravennaelectronics@...>
Date: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: It's the Jingle Bell Parade and we need your help .......
ravennaelect...
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Howdy Don.
I will be there again this year to help out.  I may even be able to
get the the XYL to come out and put her radio to work as well.  I
will let you know if she is able to come out later.

Enjoy!
Doc, KD8BGQ

--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, Don Meyer <kb8odb@...>
wrote:
>
>   Hello Everyone … Once again it is time to welcome Santa Claus to
Grand Haven for this Christmas season … yes it is the Jingle Bell
Parade and it is this coming Saturday evening at 7:00 pm and we have
been asked to help guide Santa and all his fans large and small
safely along the parade route by GHPS and the Grand Haven Chamber Of
Commerce. We will be meeting starting at 6:15pm at the Grand Haven
Public Safety Parking lot so we are on the route by 7:00 and should
be done by 8:00 if his sleigh makes it on time. If you can help
please come out, we will be communicating on the 145.49 repeater …
please send me a email reply if you can or catch John Fisher or
myself on the repeater … bring your family along too as this is a
real nice winter time event lots of floats with lots of lights …
hope to see you there … 73 Don
>   kb8odb@... or phone 616-846-7307
>
>
>
> Donald Meyer - KB8ODB
>
> Assistant Emergency Coordinator for Amateur Radio in Ottawa County
>
> e-mail:kb8odb@...
>

#1879 From: "Hank Greeb" <n8xx@...>
Date: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:45 pm
Subject: Packet related question
n8xxham
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Talking about TNC's - I have at least two TNC-2 types, a Kantronics
something or the other  (KPC-2 I think), and perhaps a Kantronics data
engine and maybe a 19.2 K modem.  Is there a market for this kind of
thing in Western Michigan?  Would a Holland mini swap be a possible
outlet for these things?

Also, I'd like to get a packet station going for things like DX cluster
spotting, etc. but I need 9 pin DIN plug for the TNC-2 versions.  One
used to be able to get these at Rat Shack, but a couple weeks ago I
perused the shelves of the local emporium and didn't find those
connectors.  Any idea where I might find such a connector?  (I tried
the For Twain hamfest and didn't run across any of the things, though I
didn't scour every possible vendor or flea marketer.)

73 de n8xx Hg

#1880 From: "Andrew Young" <ayoung@...>
Date: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:08 pm
Subject: Re: Packet related question
n8ary
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E-bay is your best bet, but you could probably sell them almost anywhere, including on this reflector.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Hank Greeb
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 3:45 PM
Subject: [WestMichiganHams] Packet related question


Talking about TNC's - I have at least two TNC-2 types, a Kantronics
something or the other (KPC-2 I think), and perhaps a Kantronics data
engine and maybe a 19.2 K modem. Is there a market for this kind of
thing in Western Michigan? Would a Holland mini swap be a possible
outlet for these things?

Also, I'd like to get a packet station going for things like DX cluster
spotting, etc. but I need 9 pin DIN plug for the TNC-2 versions. One
used to be able to get these at Rat Shack, but a couple weeks ago I
perused the shelves of the local emporium and didn't find those
connectors. Any idea where I might find such a connector? (I tried
the For Twain hamfest and didn't run across any of the things, though I
didn't scour every possible vendor or flea marketer.)

73 de n8xx Hg


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#1881 From: Alan NV8A <nv8a@...>
Date: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:11 pm
Subject: Re: Yes, CW
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I have no doubt that under some conditions CW will get the message
through when SSB will not.

HOWEVER, I wonder whether some of the more modern modes would not do as
well as or better than CW. E.g., has anybody run any tests of CW vs.
PSK31 or other digital modes? I have seen Ham Radio Deluxe's PSK31
module "lock onto" and produce intelligible text from signals whose
presence I could not detect by ear.

Of course Morse Code has other advantages, such as not needing a
computer at each end, and in fact for short distances it doesn't even
need a radio: flashing lights or tapping on the walls of one's cell work
too.

Does anybody still use CW except hams? I don't know.

73

Alan NV8A


On 11/27/06 02:30 pm Hank Greeb wrote:

> Yes, Alan.  We're talking of CW, that very ancient mode of operation
> which some folks say is a "dying art."
>
> I doubt that I could have gotten through the pileups through which I
> successfully made contacts during the CQ-WW-SS contest this last
> weekend.  It amazed me to hear the cacophony of loud signals, and
> then, just as they died down, I'd interject my peanut whistle call
> from my low power rig to a wet noodle dipole, and about 50% of the
> time the operator on the other end would come back to me.  Some of
> the DX stations were very kind - they'd only get part of my call, but
> would insist on NOT working anyone else until they workd the "N8"
> or "X" or some other fragment of my call.
>
> I do think some of the operators must have gotten my call
> incorrectly, because they'd come back with w8xx, or n9xx, or some
> other permutation, but since I was in the contest just for the fun it
> really didn't matter to me.
>
> On a different subject, I've been checking into the HF nets when
> possible, and after 7 p.m. or so propagation has been long to very
> long. On the Eighth Region Net, for example, the West Virginia
> stations can generally hear me, they have loud signals, but the Ohio
> stations are sometimes a bit weak - just at or slightly above the
> ambient noise.  If I'd be using SSB, with 2.5 KHz bandwidth, I
> probably couldn't drag the traffic out of the mud.  But, with CW, and
> 500 Hz bandwidth the copy is a bit challenging, but doable.
>
> So, for me, at least, CW seems to be a very valuable tool, both for
> fun of a DX Contest, and for the ability to get traffic through under
> adverse conditions.
>
> As far as D-* goes, I'm a "wait and see person".   It might offer a
> bit more signal to noise ratio than FM, because it works in a smaller
> (2.5 KHz??) bandwidth (at least on 2 metres) vs 10 or 15 KHz for FM,
> but it's not 500 Hz of CW.  Lots more bellzandwhistles are possible
> than with CW, but I'm not sure what happens when the signal gets down
> to only a few dB above the ambient noise.

> --- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, <k8mhz@...> wrote:

>> Q:  You mean... Like CW?

#1882 From: <k8mhz@...>
Date: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:39 pm
Subject: D-Star Introduction Video
k8mhz
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#1883 From: "Hank Greeb" <n8xx@...>
Date: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:59 pm
Subject: Re: Yes, CW
n8xxham
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There are digital modes which have error correction and computational
methods which can dig down under the average noise level.  If it were
life or death, and absolute integrity of the messages must be
verified, then this type of transfer would be the mode of choice.
The modes used for communication with submarines, for example, where
signal levels are very low due to absorption from water, must use
these techniques, though exact methods are classified secrets.

For experimenting, such as with the experimental 136 KHz VLF band,
where the ERP is limited and the ambient noise level is high, baud
rates of less than 0.1 with start and stop syncronized with WWV, have
been used to communicate between Australia and Europe for example.
It takes up to several hours to send the bare essentials of a
complete contact.

Coherent CW, at less than 1 WPM, was described way back in the
1960's.  In those days discrete parts, perhaps even tubes, were used.
The techniques are much simpler with computers and sound cards.

Several of these techniques were described in QST a few years ago.  I
haven't searched the index recently.  A simple index is available to
non members at http://www.arrl.org/files/infoserv/qst/ or a
searchable index is available to members at the main arrl.org web
site.

Hg

--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, Alan NV8A <nv8a@...> wrote:
>
> I have no doubt that under some conditions CW will get the message
> through when SSB will not.
>
> HOWEVER, I wonder whether some of the more modern modes would not
> do as well as or better than CW. E.g., has anybody run any tests
> of CW vs. PSK31 or other digital modes? I have seen Ham Radio
> Deluxe's PSK31 module "lock onto" and produce intelligible text
> from signals whose presence I could not detect by ear.
>
> Of course Morse Code has other advantages, such as not needing a
> computer at each end, and in fact for short distances it doesn't
> even need a radio: flashing lights or tapping on the walls of
> one's cell work too.
>
> Does anybody still use CW except hams? I don't know.
>
> 73
>
> Alan NV8A

#1884 From: "Jim, K8COP" <jimk8cop@...>
Date: Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:27 pm
Subject: Sgt. Preston Foot Race
k8cop
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It's that time of year again for the Sgt. Preston Foot Race.
Frank Towsley, WA7VLH, is handeling the communications for the run.
Pls contact him to sign-up @ 722-8264.  Frank's e-mail is currently
being repaired.

Jim, K8COP



INFO:

Muskegon State Park's Sgt. Preston Yukon King Run
11 a.m. Monday, January 1, 2007.

More than 200 runners are expected at the 32nd annual event, the
longest yearly running race in Muskegon. This fundraiser provides
financial support for the Muskegon High School Athletic Booster Club.

#1885 From: "(Skip) K8RRA" <k8rra@...>
Date: Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:40 am
Subject: Re: Packet related question
gfverduin
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I agree with Andrew - ebay is good for such trading - both buy & sell.

On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 20:45 +0000, Hank Greeb wrote:

Talking about TNC's - I have at least two TNC-2 types, a Kantronics
something or the other (KPC-2 I think), and perhaps a Kantronics data
engine and maybe a 19.2 K modem. Is there a market for this kind of
thing in Western Michigan? Would a Holland mini swap be a possible
outlet for these things?
Not a bad alternative - need to arrange it to be "seen" easily.

Also, I'd like to get a packet station going for things like DX cluster
spotting, etc. but I need 9 pin DIN plug for the TNC-2 versions. One
used to be able to get these at Rat Shack, but a couple weeks ago I
perused the shelves of the local emporium and didn't find those
connectors. Any idea where I might find such a connector? (I tried
the For Twain hamfest and didn't run across any of the things, though I
didn't scour every possible vendor or flea marketer.)
Like most other things - alternatives abound.
USB is emerging as the favored computer connection - I have one USB port with a converter trouble free so far.
TNC is perhaps better but less flexible than sound interface.
RS-232 adapters are plentiful (a million varieties) at Computers & More in Holland.

73 de n8xx Hg



73
de [George (Skip) VerDuin] K8RRA k

#1886 From: KD8CBJ@...
Date: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:50 pm
Subject: Re: Packet related question
kd8cbj
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www.buxcomm.com for your DIN,as for the TNC's I am researching/shopping that very subject.But Santa issues put off me being able to do anything about it right now.
 
                                                      73 KD8CBJ

#1887 From: "Bill" <bill_fries@...>
Date: Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:07 am
Subject: Stamp Collecting?
bill_fries_jr
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From the recent "Contester's Rate Sheet" a paragraph you might find
interesting or useful.  It is an unusual issue that arrives without
one or two fun places to wander into on the internet.  I recommend you
subscribe.

Another fascinating sideline of ham radio, particularly DXing, is
stamp collecting.  There are quite a few "radio stamps" and Merri
AB0MV has put together quite a Web site
(http://www.qsl.net/ab0mv/stamps.htm) with many pictures of stamps
with radio and electrical themes.  The site loads slowly, so be
patient. (Thanks, John W0UN)

#1888 From: Tom Porritt <jtporritt@...>
Date: Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:32 pm
Subject: Wednesday Packet Training Net
jtporritt06
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All,
I will not be available to run the packet training net tonight, but I believe N8FQ has said he will do it. Once again I owe Joe a big thankyou. Thanks Joe.
Tom
 

#1889 From: paul odem <rockyroster@...>
Date: Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:06 pm
Subject: Fwd: [VOIP-WXNET] SKYWARN Recognition Day 2006 and VoIP Operations Update #3
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Hello to all....

Here is the latest update on SKYWARN Recognition Day. 3 NWS offices have been added to the schedule. Please see the update below:

SKYWARN Recognition Day 2006, which will be on Saturday December 2nd, 2006 from 0000-2400 UTC, will feature VoIP operations on *WX-TALK* EchoLink Node: 7203/IRLP reflector 9219 as in past years along with NWS offices making contacts via HF/VHF/UHF, PSK-31 and other digital modes. We currently have 13 NWS Forecast Offices confirmed for various 1 or 2 hour time slots including WX4NHC, the National Hurricane Center in Miami Florida. Here is the schedule as of Monday 11/26/2006:

Time in UTC NWS Office Call-Sign
0000-0100: WX1BOX
0100-0200: WX2PHI
0200-0300: WX4MLB
0300-0400: WX2ALY
0400-0500: Open
0500-0600: WX9GRB
0600-0700: WX0GLD
0700-0800: WX0GLD
0800-0900: Open
0900-1000: WX7PHX
1000-1100: Open
1100-1200: Open
1200-1300: Open
1300-1400: VE4WWO (Tentative)
1400-1500: WX2PHI
1500-1600: WX1BOX
1600-1800: WX4NC (2 hour time slot and time slot is from last year)
1800-1900: WX2ALY
1900-2000: WX4MLB
2000-2100: K0MPX
2100-2300: WX4NHC (2 hour time slot is from last year)
2300-2400: W4IAX (NWS Mobile, Alabama)

The contact from VE4WWO reports that there maybe issues with their IRLP node that may not allow them to do net control so they have been listed as tentative.

The following NWS offices have been contacted and have shown interest in being on the system for a possible time slot:

NWS Sterling, Virginia
NWS Honolulu, Hawaii
NWS Brookhaven, New York

Other NWS offices have contacted as well but its not clear if there is interest in participating on the system. This will be updated as things change. Its also possible that other NWS offices will be monitoring and participating on the system much like last year where various NWS offices got on to the system during open time slots or when NWS offices had exhausted making contacts on the system. If you are a NWS office SKYWARN Coordinator interested in utilizing a time slot for Net Control duties, please contact me and CC: Matt Mehle.

A few technical reminders for folks interested in making contacts with the NWS Forecast Offices:

-The system allows both EchoLink and IRLP connections. For EchoLink users, you connect to the *WX-TALK* Node: 7203 conference system. For IRLP users, you would connect to IRLP reflector 9219.

-If you are using EchoLink, the RF node or PC that you’re using must have EchoLink conferencing disabled. If it is not disabled, the system will automatically kick the node or PC off of the system. The reason this occurs is to prevent unintentional interference from a conferencing station that may not know the node is connected somewhere else. This will keep traffic moving on the net and reduce interference considerably.

For more information on VoIP Technical Configuration Tips, please go to our web site at http://www.voipwx.net where we have a link to that information on the main menu of the web site. This announcement will also be on the web site.

For those that want to do listen-only, New England IRLP reflector channel 9129 and the *VKEMCOMM* Node: 270177/IRLP reflector 9508 will be utilized for those that just want to listen to the event.

The New England Reflector system, IRLP reflector 9123, EchoLink Conference *NEW-ENG*, Node #:9123 will also be available for usage as required. NWS Taunton Amateur station, WX1BOX, will be on the system looking for contacts and stations and can designate the use of that system to other NWS offices on an informal basis. From NWS Taunton, we will be able to monitor both VoIP systems during our timeframe for operations during SRD.

Event information on SKYWARN Recognition Day can be found at http://hamradio.noaa.gov and can also be found in the December issue of QST on page 66.

Below is the ARRL Letter Annoncement of SKYWARN Recognition Day:

==> SKYWARN RECOGNITION DAY IS DECEMBER 2

The 8th annual SKYWARN Recognition Day (SRD) special event will take place Saturday, December 2, 2006. SKYWARN Recognition Day is an event co-sponsored by the National Weather Service and the American Radio Relay League, and it is the National Weather Service's way of saying "thank you" to Amateur Radio operators for their commitment to helping keep their communities safe.

During the 24-hour special event, amateur radio operators will visit their local National Weather Service (NWS) office, set up Amateur Radio stations, and work as a team to contact other hams across the world.

"Ham radio operators volunteering as storm spotters are an extremely valuable asset to National Weather Service operations since they are cross-trained in both communications and severe storm recognition", says Scott Mentzer (N***QE), organizer of the event and Meteorologist-In-Charge at the NWS office in Goodland, Kansas.

In typical warning operations, it is the direct communication between mobile spotters and the local NWS office which provides vital ground truth information. Spotter reports of hail size, wind damage and surface-based rotation in real time greatly assists the radar warning operator since that information can be correlated with Doppler radar displays. The result can range anywhere from a more strongly-worded statement to convey a greater sense of urgency, or the issuance of a tornado warning a few minutes earlier than would otherwise have been possible.

While National Weather Service offices utilize the real-time reporting of severe weather events to assist in warning operations, hurricanes and tropical storms have shown us that ham radio operators are equally important during the recovery phase of natural disasters.
There are countless stories where ham radio worked in tandem with more conventional technology to relay emergency traffic.

SKYWARN Recognition Day will be held on December 2, 2006, from 0000 UTC to 2400 UTC.

The object is for all radio amateur stations to exchange QSO information with as many National Weather Service Stations as possible on 80, 40, 20, 15, 10, 6, and 2 meter bands plus the 70 centimeter band. Contacts via repeaters are permitted.

The exchange should include call sign, signal report, location, and a one or two word description of the weather occurring at your site ("sunny", "partly cloudy", "windy", etc.). NWS stations will work various modes including SSB, FM, AM, RTTY, CW, and PSK31. While working digital modes, special event stations will append "NWS" to their call sign (e.g., N***A/NWS).

We hope to hear many Amateurs on VoIP and all other modes that will be utilized during SKYWARN Recognition Day 2006. Thanks to all for their continued support for the VoIP Hurricane Net as well.

73,Rob-KD1CY.
Director of Operations for the VoIP Hurricane Net


#1890 From: Mark Thompson <wb9qzb@...>
Date: Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:57 pm
Subject: Re: [MIDSTAR] D STAR Video
wb9qzb
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This video is also available directly on the Icom America web site at:
 
 
I also have a link to it from the Illinois Digital Ham Yahoo Group.
 
I suspect someone downloaded from Icom site and uploaded it to YouTube.
Be aware that when this video was done at Dayton in 2005 only 1.2 GHz D-STAR equipment was available. As many of you know, subsequently Icom has introduced HTs, mobiles & repeaters for 2m & 70cm.
 
73, Mark, WB9QZB
Chicago, IL
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/illinoisdigitalham/

----- Original Message ----
From: "Jim, K8COP" <jimk8cop@...>
To: MIDSTAR@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 7:11:57 AM
Subject: [MIDSTAR] D STAR Video

A short video on D STAR.
 
Jim, K8COP
 
 
 
The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments:
Shortcut to: http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=x1XpiR9- WWM&mode=related&search=




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#1891 From: paul odem <rockyroster@...>
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:06 pm
Subject: Fwd: ARLB028 FCC corrects error in "Omnibus" Report And Order
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ZCZC AG28
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ARRL Bulletin 28  ARLB028
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  November 29, 2006
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB028
ARLB028 FCC corrects error in "Omnibus" Report And Order

The FCC has released an Erratum that corrects one error in the
recent Report and Order (R&O) in WT Docket 04-140 -- the so-called
"omnibus" Amateur Radio proceeding -- that inadvertently limited J2D
emissions to an occupied bandwidth of 500 Hz. J2D emissions are data
sent by modulating an SSB transmitter.

Had it been left to stand, the error would have rendered illegal
below 30 MHz PACTOR III at full capability as well as Olivia and
MT63 when operated at bandwidths greater than 500 Hz bandwidth, 1200
baud packet, Q15X25 and Clover 2000.

The FCC Erratum revises 97.3(c)(2) of the Amateur Service rules
going into effect December 15 to read:

Data. Telemetry, telecommand and computer communications emissions
having (i) designators with A, C, D, F, G, H, J or R as the first
symbol, 1 as the second symbol, and D as the third symbol; (ii)
emission J2D; and (iii) emissions A1C, F1C, F2C, J2C, and J3C having
an occupied bandwidth of 500 Hz or less when transmitted on an
amateur service frequency below 30 MHz. Only a digital code of a
type specifically authorized in this part may be transmitted.

The Erratum is available on the FCC Web site,
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-268642A1.pdf

The FCC incorporated some unrelated editorial revisions in the
version of the R&O that appeared November 15 in the Federal
Register,
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/01jan20061800/edocket.access.gpo.gov
/2006/pdf/E6-19189.pdf.
The "omnibus" rule changes -- including those accounted for in the
Federal Register and the Erratum -- take effect Friday, December 15,
at 12:01 AM EST (0501 UTC).
NNNN
/EX

#1892 From: "Tom VanderMel" <kb8vee@...>
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:06 pm
Subject: Winter Storm
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All
Help the NWS out with this storm coming Friday. Tom

Hello Everyone:
 
Please be prepared to provide winter storm measurements via the QMN-NWS Rain Gauge Network.  A copy of the forecast discussion is provided below.  Until the forecast firms-up, we will not set an observation and net schedule.  However, this is a good time to review the reporting procedures.
 
If we do not call for special net sessions, routine snowfall observation may be submitted in the normal way.  Please follow these guidelines:
 
1.        When checking-in, list the traffic as one routine NWS.
2.        NCS operators should request a QMN or NWS liaison.
3.        An example of message format is as follows:
 
11 R  K8SIW  5  VALLEY TWP MI  2330Z DEC 1
NWS-GRR
 
ALLEGAN SNOW 350/350 LIQUID 035
 
WADES
 
Place of origin:  Location where the observation was made.  This is not your mailing address, but rather the city or township in which you are located.  These do differ, sometimes by ten miles or more, so please be sure to accurately indicate your location.
 
Time of origin:  Time at which you made the observation.
 
Address:  NWS CWA in which you are located (e.g. APX, DTX, GRR, IWX, MQT)
 
Text:  County in which the observation was made, followed by precipitation type, amount of snow measured as falling in past 24-hours, amount of snow on ground at time of observation, and liquid equivalent (melted).
 
Please note, the liquid equivalent is optional.  If you are one of the observers equipped with a standard 8-inch government gauge, we would appreciate the liquid amount.
 
Routine reports may be listed on QMN-Early, MITN, or on the QMN K8QMN-14 high-profile packet radio BBS.
 
 
Emergency Observations
 
If subsequent forecast models indicate the likelihood for a major event, we may call for observations at 3, 6, or 12-hour intervals.  In this case, the message format alters to:
 
12 P K8SIW 3 VALLEY TWP MI 1200Z DEC 2
NWS-GRR
 
ALLEGAN SIX HOUR SNOW 570/1020/1020
 
WADES
 
The same rules apply here, except the measurements, in order, indicate the amount of snow that has fallen in the past six hours (5.20 inches), the amount of snow on ground (10.20 inches), and the storm event total (10.20 inches).  The message is also “priority” precedence.
 
Routine reports need not be submitted during emergency operations.
 
 
Nets
 
Messages may be submitted via HF-SSB, the VHF Link Repeater System (W8HVG West Michigan), the QMN CW Nets, or the QMN Packet Radio Network.
In the later case, please follow these directions:
 
1.       Use the ST command, followed by the general QMN call sign “K8SIW” (e.g. ST K8SIW). Do not simply use “S”, as this will indicate a personal message and it may not be accessible for delivery!
 
2.       For the subject line, indicate QTC, followed by quantity, precedence, and NWS office (CWA) of destination.  For example:  QTC 1 P NWS-GRR
 
3.       At the message prompt, please enter your message in standard NTS format, all capitals, imitating the format above.
 
4.       Using /EX on a separate line, exit from the BBS.
 
5.       When using packet radio, if possible, please try to format your message in a buffer first for upload, so as not to tie up the BBS.  Disconnect promptly using the “B” (bye) command at the command prompt.
 
The procedures on the “manual mode” traffic nets are identical to all other NTS traffic.
 
As stated previously, we will announce the net times, frequencies, and related information when we know more about this potentially significant winter storm.
 
Thank you,
 
Jim Wades,  K8SIW
 
 
 
000
FXUS63 KGRR 300848
AFDGRR
 
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GRAND RAPIDS MI
350 AM EST THU NOV 30 2006
 
.SHORT TERM...
A MAJOR EARLY SEASON WINTER STORM WILL IMPACT OUR AREA BEGINNING
LATE THURSDAY NIGHT THROUGH FRIDAY AFTERNOON. THIS STORM WILL BRING
THE POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT SNOWFALL ACROSS OUR ENTIRE CWA. THERE
IS ALSO A THREAT FOR FREEZING RAIN WITH SIGNIFICANT ICING POTENTIAL
FOR OUR SOUTHERN CWA FRIDAY MORNING PRIMARILY SOUTH OF I-96.
 
POST FRONTAL RAIN WILL CONTINUE EARLY THIS MORNING ACROSS MOST OF
OUR CWA AND THEN SHIFT EAST TO AFFECT OUR EASTERN AND SOUTHERN CWA
FROM MID TO LATE MORNING. CAA WILL CONTINUE WITH SLOWLY FALLING
TEMPERATURES THROUGH THE DAY CAUSING ANY LINGERING SHOWERS TO
BECOMING MIXED WITH THEN CHANGE OVER TO LIGHT SNOW SHOWERS OR
FLURRIES FROM NW TO SE. HOWEVER... I BELIEVE THAT BY THE TIME IT IS
COLD ENOUGH FOR SNOW THE TIMING WILL BE SUCH THAT THE STEADIER PCPN
WILL ALREADY BE OUT OF OUR AREA. THEREFORE I EXPECT NOTHING MORE
THAN A FEW FLURRIES OR LIGHT SNOW SHOWERS THIS AFTERNOON WITH NO
SNOW ACCUMULATION. TEMPS WILL CONTINUE TO FALL STEADILY THROUGH THE
30S ACROSS OUR CWA THIS AFTERNOON.
 
AN INTENSIFYING LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL MOVE FROM NE ARKANSAS THIS
EVENING TO NEAR IND BY 12Z FRIDAY. THIS LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL
THEN MOST LIKELY CONTINUE TO TRACK NE TO NEAR TORONTO CANADA BY 18Z
FRIDAY. THIS SYSTEM HAS POTENTIAL TO PRODUCE SIGNIFICANT SNOW ACCUMS
ACROSS MUCH OF OUR AREA FROM EARLY FRIDAY MORNING THROUGH FRIDAY
AFTERNOON. VIGOROUS PVA WILL DEVELOP BETWEEN AROUND 10Z AND 18Z
FRIDAY. VERY STRONG UPR DIVERGENCE IS PROGGED AND OMEGA VALUES ARE
REALLY IMPRESSIVE... ON THE ORDER OF 25-40 MICROBARS/SEC! IN FACT WE
CANNOT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME SHORT RANGE GUIDANCE PROGGED THESE
TYPE OF OMEGAS AND JUST A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LIFT. DEEP MOISTURE
AND VERY STRONG UPWARD VERTICAL MOTION WILL EXTEND UP THROUGH THE
FAVORED MAX DENDRITIC SNOW GROWTH REGION OF THE ATMOSPHERE (ROUGHLY
-12 TO -18 C). MID LEVEL INSTABILITY AND IMPRESSIVE 700 MB F-VECTOR
CONVERGENCE IS ALSO PROGGED PARTICULARLY ACROSS OUR NORTH CENTRAL
AND NORTHERN CWA. THIS SYSTEM WILL TAP EXTENSIVE GULF MOISTURE AND A
TROWAL WILL ALSO DEVELOP AS AN AXIS OF WARMER AIR ALOFT NUDGES IN
FROM THE ESE. SHORT RANGE GUIDANCE ALSO SHOWS QUITE CLEARLY THAT A
LINGERING DEFORMATION ZONE BAND WILL LIKELY CONTINUE TO IMPACT
(MAINLY) OUR NW AND NORTHERN CWA THROUGH FRIDAY AFTERNOON ON THE
BACK SIDE OF THE SYSTEM AS A RESULT OF TILTING/STRETCHING OF UPR
LEVEL VORTICITY.
 
IN ADDITION TO HEAVY SNOW POTENTIAL THERE IS ALSO POTENTIAL FOR
SIGNIFICANT ICING ACROSS PORTIONS OF OUR AREA (MAINLY OUR SE AND
SOUTHERN CWA FRIDAY MORNING). 00Z NAM GUIDANCE FCST SOUNDINGS AND
BUFKIT DATA CLEARLY SHOW A FAIR AMOUNT OF WARM AIR (> 0 C) ALOFT
WITH SHALLOW COLD AIR RIGHT NEAR THE SFC FROM ROUGHLY I-96 SOUTH. IF
NAM GUIDANCE IS CORRECT A FULL FLEDGED ICE STORM IS NOT BEYOND THE
REALM OF POSSIBILITY ACROSS THAT AREA. 00Z GFS MODEL DATA PAINTS A
DIFFERENT PICTURE. EVEN THOUGH IT HAS THE SFC LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM
FURTHER WEST AND CENTERED NEAR SBN BY 12Z FRIDAY... A LOOK AT GFS
FCST SOUNDINGS SHOWS THAT THEY ARE SIGNIFICANTLY COOLER WITH TEMP
PROFILES ACROSS OUR SOUTHERN CWA BETWEEN 12Z AND 18Z. AS A RESULT OF
DYNAMICAL AND EVAPORATIONAL COOLING AND VERY HEAVY PCPN IN THAT TIME
FRAME... I WOULD LEAN TOWARD BELIEVING THE COOLER GFS FCST SOUNDINGS
WHICH SEEM MORE REALISTIC. THIS THINKING COULD OBVIOUSLY CHANGE
HOWEVER IF THE GFS CONTINUES IT/S TREND FURTHER WEST WITH THE SFC
LOW TRACK.
 
THE BOTTOM LINE TO ALL THIS IS THAT WE BELIEVE A SIGNIFICANT SNOW
EVENT IS PROBABLE FOR MUCH OF OUR CWA WITH SNOW TOTALS OF ANYWHERE
FROM 6 TO 12 INCHES EASILY ATTAINABLE FROM AROUND 10Z FRIDAY
THROUGH FRIDAY AFTERNOON. SEVERAL LOCATIONS COULD EASILY HAVE
SNOWFALL TOTALS FROM THIS STORM EXCEED A FOOT AND EVEN APPROACH A
FOOT AND A HALF. THE HEAVIEST SNOW WILL LIKELY FALL FROM AROUND 10Z
THROUGH 18Z WHEN SNOWFALL RATES OF ANYWHERE FROM 1 TO AS MUCH AS 3
INCHES PER HOUR ARE CERTAINLY POSSIBLE. DEFORMATION ZONE SNOW WILL
CONTINUE THROUGH MID TO LATE FRIDAY AFTERNOON (MAINLY NORTH) BEFORE
GRADUALLY TAPERING OFF TO SCATTERED SNOW SHOWERS FRIDAY EVENING.
ACROSS OUR SOUTHERN CWA I BELIEVE A PERIOD OF FZRA IS CERTAINLY
POSSIBLE FRIDAY MORNING WHICH WOULD ALSO OBVIOUSLY LIMIT SNOW TOTALS
FROM I-96 SOUTH. HOWEVER GIVEN CURRENT GUIDANCE AND TRENDS AND
FINDING THE GFS FCST SOUNDINGS MORE BELIEVABLE THAN THE NAM DATA...
I SUSPECT THE FZRA WOULD CHANGE OVER TO SNOW RATHER QUICKLY LATE
FRIDAY MORNING AND EARLY FRIDAY AFTERNOON ACROSS OUR SOUTHERN CWA.
 
I EXPECT SCATTERED LAKE EFFECT SNOW SHOWERS FRIDAY NIGHT AND
SATURDAY IN A WESTERLY LOW LEVEL FLOW REGIME FRIDAY NIGHT WHICH WILL
BECOME SW SATURDAY. DELTA T/S IN THE MID TEENS WILL RESULT IN
CONDITIONAL INSTABILITY. HOWEVER MOISTURE PROFILES IN THAT TIME
FRAME ARE NOT TOO IMPRESSIVE FOR LES PARTICULARLY ON SATURDAY.
FURTHERMORE INVERSION HEIGHTS WILL BE DOWN AROUND 4 TO 5 KFT SO THE
OVERALL SETUP FOR LES IS NOT REALLY IMPRESSIVE FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH
SATURDAY.
 
AS FOR HEADLINE DECISIONS... A WINTER STORM WARNING WAS STRONGLY
CONSIDERED BUT AFTER COORD WITH SURROUNDING OFFICES IT WAS
DETERMINED THAT THE DAY SHIFT COULD MAKE THAT CALL AFTER REVIEW OF
ALL THE LATEST COMPUTER MODEL GUIDANCE AND TRENDS. THE DAY SHIFT
WILL ALSO STILL HAVE AMPLE TIME TO GET WARNINGS OUT WITH PLENTY OF
LEAD TIME SINCE THE EVENT WILL NOT REALLY GET GOING UNTIL THE EARLY
MORNING HOURS FRIDAY. WE FELT THIS COURSE OF ACTION WAS WISEST.
WE DECIDED TO EXPAND THE WINTER STORM WATCH HEADLINE TO INCLUDE OUR
NORTHERNMOST ROW OF COUNTIES. THIS SINCE GUIDANCE HAS BEEN TRENDING
A BIT FURTHER NW WITH THE SFC LOW TRACK AND THERE IS ALSO SOME
POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT DEFORMATION ZONE SNOW TO LINGER ACROSS
THAT AREA. FINALLY... I AM CONCERNED THAT A POTENTIAL DRY SLOT
WORKING IN FROM THE SOUTH COULD LIMIT SNOW/ICE ACCUMS ACROSS OUR
SOUTHERN CWA. HOWEVER AT THIS POINT A WINTER STORM WATCH WHICH
INCLUDES OUR SOUTHERN COUNTIES DEFINITELY SEEMS VERY JUSTIFIED.
 
.LONG TERM...
MODELS ARE IN DECENT AGREEMENT IN SHOWING THE UPPER TROUGH PIVOTING
THROUGH SOUTHWEST LOWER MI SUNDAY INTO SUNDAY NIGHT.  THE
COMBINATION OF DEEP MOISTURE...DEEP CYCLONIC FLOW AND TEMPERATURES
FAVORABLE FOR LAKE EFFECT SUGGEST A MORE ORGANIZED EVENT.  NOTICE
THIS SYSTEM CURRENTLY LOOKS RATHER INTENSE COMING INTO THE PACIFIC
NW. FOR THESE REASONS...I INCREASED POPS TO LIKELY NEAR THE
LAKESHORE SUN INTO SUN NIGHT.  WILL NEED TO MONITOR THE SYSTEM FOR
MON INTO TUE AS WELL.  LOOKS LIKE SW FLOW DEVELOPS LEADING TO
ISENTROPIC LIFT...AND PERHAPS ANOTHER ROUND OF SNOW.  WILL HOLD ONTO
THE CHC FOR SW.  COLD AIR POURS BACK IN FOR WED BEHIND THE DEPARTING
WAVE OF LOW PRESSURE.
 
&&
 
.GRR WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...WINTER STORM WATCH FOR OUR ENTIRE
CWA FRIDAY MORNING AND AFTERNOON. SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY FOR ENTIRE
NEARSHORE THROUGH FRIDAY AFTERNOON.
 
&&
 
$$
 
LAURENS MJS
 
 

 


#1893 From: Hank Greeb <n8xx@...>
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:56 pm
Subject: Fwd: QMN Net changes
n8xxham
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QMN Changes, from K8SIW via WA8EFK

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:     QMN Net changes
Date:     Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:48:31 -0500
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To:



Effective December 10 at 2330Z, QMN will shift operations to 3563 KHz.
In addition, effective November 26, the QMN-Early Net has moved to 6:30
PM local time.  These changes are being made to accommodate the recent
FCC Report and Order and the subsequent frequency sharing and net
migration process.

On December 9 at 2330Z, QMN will hold a special commemorative net to
officially vacate the frequency on which we have operated for over
70-years.  QMN members, old and new, are invited to check-in and
participate in this historical event.

Thank you,
James Wades, K8SIW
Executive Director, Michigan Net, QMN

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Section Manager: Dale R. Williams, WA8EFK
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#1894 From: <k8mhz@...>
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:38 pm
Subject: Getting closer to the cup?
k8mhz
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Here is a picture of the Elser-Mathis cup, now at the ARRL.  It is the ultimate DX award and has been waiting 80 years to be won.
 
Elser-Mathis Cup
 
The cup is to be awarded to the first Earth to Mars contact via amateur radio.  The rules specify person to person, contacts to robots don't count.
 
 
Do we have the power to make such a contact?  Even at QRO, the antenna gain would have to be tremedous on both ends.
 
First we have to get a hamshack there.......
 
73
 
Mark K8MHZ

#1895 From: "Tom VanderMel" <kb8vee@...>
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:58 pm
Subject: QMN Net changes
kb8vee
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Effective December 10 at 2330Z, QMN will shift operations to 3563 KHz.
  In addition, effective November 26, the QMN-Early Net has moved to 6:30
  PM local time.  These changes are being made to accommodate the recent
  FCC Report and Order and the subsequent frequency sharing and net
  migration process.

  On December 9 at 2330Z, QMN will hold a special commemorative net to
  officially vacate the frequency on which we have operated for over
  70-years.  QMN members, old and new, are invited to check-in and
  participate in this historical event.

  Thank you,
  James Wades, K8SIW
  Executive Director, Michigan Net, QMN

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#1896 From: "Hank Greeb" <n8xx@...>
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: Getting closer to the cup?
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Mark:

I guess that Earth to Mars to Earth (Mars-bounce, similar to Moon-
bounce) wouldn't count, since in 1927 Hiram Percy Maxim couldn't
visualize things like moonbounce.

Did you calculate the path loss?  It should be doable, because Mars
Rovers have been communicating from Mars to Earth for years.  They
couldn't have much stored enegy, so they couldn't generate much RF
power.  They probably rely on high gain antennae for the ERP
requirements.

As you say, the first requirement will be to get a hamshack and
opoerator to MARS.  Wanna volunteer?  :)

Hg

--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, <k8mhz@...> wrote:
>
>
> Here is a picture of the Elser-Mathis cup, now at the ARRL.  It is
the ultimate DX award and has been waiting 80 years to be won.
>
> The cup is to be awarded to the first Earth to Mars contact via
amateur radio.  The rules specify person to person, contacts to
robots don't count.
>
> Read more about it here:
http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/1999/12/07/1/
>
> Do we have the power to make such a contact?  Even at QRO, the
antenna gain would have to be tremedous on both ends.
>
> First we have to get a hamshack there.......
>
> 73
>
> Mark K8MHZ

#1897 From: <ayoung@...>
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:44 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Getting closer to the cup?
n8ary
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I am not volunteering because I'll want to be able to come back.  I'll stay here
and point a beam at Mars.

---- Hank Greeb <n8xx@...> wrote:
> Mark:
>
> I guess that Earth to Mars to Earth (Mars-bounce, similar to Moon-
> bounce) wouldn't count, since in 1927 Hiram Percy Maxim couldn't
> visualize things like moonbounce.
>
> Did you calculate the path loss?  It should be doable, because Mars
> Rovers have been communicating from Mars to Earth for years.  They
> couldn't have much stored enegy, so they couldn't generate much RF
> power.  They probably rely on high gain antennae for the ERP
> requirements.
>
> As you say, the first requirement will be to get a hamshack and
> opoerator to MARS.  Wanna volunteer?  :)
>
> Hg
>
> --- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, <k8mhz@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Here is a picture of the Elser-Mathis cup, now at the ARRL.  It is
> the ultimate DX award and has been waiting 80 years to be won.
> >
> > The cup is to be awarded to the first Earth to Mars contact via
> amateur radio.  The rules specify person to person, contacts to
> robots don't count.
> >
> > Read more about it here:
> http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/1999/12/07/1/
> >
> > Do we have the power to make such a contact?  Even at QRO, the
> antenna gain would have to be tremedous on both ends.
> >
> > First we have to get a hamshack there.......
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Mark K8MHZ
>

#1898 From: <ayoung@...>
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:42 pm
Subject: USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT
n8ary
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This was on the ARRL website.  Note the EXCEPTION of the Amateur Service.  We do
not need type-accepted (FCC Certified) equipment on our bands.  We just can't
use our Amateur equipment on other bands such as GMRS, MURS, Public Safety, etc.

So old police radios, non-certified foreign-made radios, and such are OK for use
on our bands, if I read this right:

==============

FCC warns against nonamateur use of modified gear: The FCC has told the ARRL
that police, public safety agencies, and others may not legally use
equipment--such as modified Amateur Radio gear--that has not been FCC certified
to transmit in services requiring FCC-certified equipment. The use of a modified
Amateur Radio transceiver on police frequencies would be contrary to Part 90 of
the rules because the equipment would not be FCC certified, an FCC official
explained. In 1996, the FCC reminded manufacturers and users that transmitters
intended for operation on frequencies allocated to any FCC-authorized radio
service (except the Amateur Service) must be type-accepted (now called FCC
certified) for the particular radio service prior to marketing and use. The use
of such equipment could subject the licensee and user to penalties and
forfeitures, as appropriate. The FCC said anyone selling such equipment also
risks FCC sanctions.





---- k8mhz@... wrote:
>
> Here is a picture of the Elser-Mathis cup, now at the ARRL.  It is the
ultimate DX award and has been waiting 80 years to be won.
>
>
>
> The cup is to be awarded to the first Earth to Mars contact via amateur radio.
The rules specify person to person, contacts to robots don't count.
>
> Read more about it here:  http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/1999/12/07/1/
>
> Do we have the power to make such a contact?  Even at QRO, the antenna gain
would have to be tremedous on both ends.
>
> First we have to get a hamshack there.......
>
> 73
>
> Mark K8MHZ

#1899 From: <k8mhz@...>
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:42 pm
Subject: Re: USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT
k8mhz
Send Email Send Email
 

Oh, hey, by the way I got an answer from the FCC about using cell phones as inputs for an ACU repeater:
 
Quote 
 
I don't think there's a problem. The repeater is transmitting only on Amateur frequencies.  It's retransmitting audio, and the source doesn't matter.
 
/Quote
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: ayoung@...
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 14:42
Subject: [WestMichiganHams] USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT

This was on the ARRL website. Note the EXCEPTION of the Amateur Service. We do not need type-accepted (FCC Certified) equipment on our bands. We just can't use our Amateur equipment on other bands such as GMRS, MURS, Public Safety, etc.

So old police radios, non-certified foreign-made radios, and such are OK for use on our bands, if I read this right:

==============

FCC warns against nonamateur use of modified gear: The FCC has told the ARRL that police, public safety agencies, and others may not legally use equipment--such as modified Amateur Radio gear--that has not been FCC certified to transmit in services requiring FCC-certified equipment. The use of a modified Amateur Radio transceiver on police frequencies would be contrary to Part 90 of the rules because the equipment would not be FCC certified, an FCC official explained. In 1996, the FCC reminded manufacturers and users that transmitters intended for operation on frequencies allocated to any FCC-authorized radio service (except the Amateur Service) must be type-accepted (now called FCC certified) for the particular radio service prior to marketing and use. The use of such equipment could subject the licensee and user to penalties and forfeitures, as appropriate. The FCC said anyone selling such equipment also risks FCC sanctions.

---- k8mhz@k8mhz.com wrote:
>
> Here is a picture of the Elser-Mathis cup, now at the ARRL. It is the ultimate DX award and has been waiting 80 years to be won.
>
>
>
> The cup is to be awarded to the first Earth to Mars contact via amateur radio. The rules specify person to person, contacts to robots don't count.
>
> Read more about it here: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/1999/12/07/1/
>
> Do we have the power to make such a contact? Even at QRO, the antenna gain would have to be tremedous on both ends.
>
> First we have to get a hamshack there.......
>
> 73
>
> Mark K8MHZ


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#1900 From: <k8mhz@...>
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:59 pm
Subject: Re: USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT
k8mhz
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"We do not need type-accepted (FCC Certified) equipment on our bands."
 
Yes we do.  No amplifier that operates below 144 MHz may be constructed by a non-amateur without certification from the FCC (97.315)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: k8mhz@...
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 15:42
Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT



Oh, hey, by the way I got an answer from the FCC about using cell phones as inputs for an ACU repeater:
 
Quote 
 
I don't think there's a problem. The repeater is transmitting only on Amateur frequencies.  It's retransmitting audio, and the source doesn't matter.
 
/Quote
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 14:42
Subject: [WestMichiganHams] USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT

This was on the ARRL website. Note the EXCEPTION of the Amateur Service. We do not need type-accepted (FCC Certified) equipment on our bands. We just can't use our Amateur equipment on other bands such as GMRS, MURS, Public Safety, etc.

So old police radios, non-certified foreign-made radios, and such are OK for use on our bands, if I read this right:

==============

FCC warns against nonamateur use of modified gear: The FCC has told the ARRL that police, public safety agencies, and others may not legally use equipment--such as modified Amateur Radio gear--that has not been FCC certified to transmit in services requiring FCC-certified equipment. The use of a modified Amateur Radio transceiver on police frequencies would be contrary to Part 90 of the rules because the equipment would not be FCC certified, an FCC official explained. In 1996, the FCC reminded manufacturers and users that transmitters intended for operation on frequencies allocated to any FCC-authorized radio service (except the Amateur Service) must be type-accepted (now called FCC certified) for the particular radio service prior to marketing and use. The use of such equipment could subject the licensee and user to penalties and forfeitures, as appropriate. The FCC said anyone selling such equipment also risks FCC sanctions.

---- k8mhz@k8mhz.com wrote:
>
> Here is a picture of the Elser-Mathis cup, now at the ARRL. It is the ultimate DX award and has been waiting 80 years to be won.
>
>
>
> The cup is to be awarded to the first Earth to Mars contact via amateur radio. The rules specify person to person, contacts to robots don't count.
>
> Read more about it here: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/1999/12/07/1/
>
> Do we have the power to make such a contact? Even at QRO, the antenna gain would have to be tremedous on both ends.
>
> First we have to get a hamshack there.......
>
> 73
>
> Mark K8MHZ


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#1901 From: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:37 pm
Subject: GRARA Monthly Meeting, 12/1/2006, 6:30 pm
WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com
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Reminder from:   WestMichiganHams's Calendar
Title:   GRARA Monthly Meeting
Date:   Friday December 1, 2006
Time:   6:30 pm - 8:00 pm
Repeats:   This event repeats on the first Friday of every month, until Friday November 9, 2007.
Location:   Red Cross, 1/2 Block South of Leonard on Fuller NE, Grand Rapuids
Street:   1050 Fuller Ave NE
City State Zip:   Grand Rapids, MI 49503
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#1902 From: "Hank Greeb" <n8xx@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 12:02 am
Subject: Re: GRARA Monthly Meeting, 12/1/2006, 6:30 pm
n8xxham
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The December "meeting" will be a potluck dinner. The club will provide
the meat, plates, utensils, soft drinks and coffee.  Please bring a
side-dish, appetizer, salad or dessert for 10 people to share.
Families and friends are cordially invited to join us.  The more the
merrier.

We'll gather at 6:30 p.m., have a very, very, very short business
meeting at approximately 7 p.m., and at 7:05 p.m. or shortly
thereafter we'll start the festivities.

Come one, come all


--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com,
WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
> Reminder from the Calendar of WestMichiganHams
>  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WestMichiganHams/cal
>
> GRARA Monthly Meeting
> Friday December 1, 2006
> 6:30 pm - 8:00 pm
> Location: Red Cross,
> 1/2 Block South of Leonard on Fuller NE, Grand Rapuids
> 1050 Fuller Ave NE
> Grand Rapids, MI 49503

#1903 From: "Hank Greeb" <n8xx@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 12:11 am
Subject: Re: USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT
n8xxham
Send Email Send Email
 
Let me get this straight...  The Motrac and Motran and similar GE
repeaters which are in wide use are illegal?   Or the 100 or so
Motorola VHF police radios which I got from Motorola in Atlanta and
sold, at cost, to folks during the 70's and early 80's? I personally
used several of these for at least a dozen years.  They're not type
accepted for Amateur Radio use.  Gee, I didn't realize I, and 100's of
my colleagues were violating the FCC rules, and many repeater groups
continue to violate these rules.

Methinks there must be another part of the regs which covers these
kinds of uses.

I do know the converse is illegal - i.e. it's not permissable to use
Ham Gear for commercial uses, either home brew or commercially made,
even though I know it has been done.

73 de n8xx Hg

--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, <k8mhz@...> wrote:
>
> "We do not need type-accepted (FCC Certified) equipment on our
> bands."
>
> Yes we do.  No amplifier that operates below 144 MHz may be
constructed by a non-amateur without certification from the FCC (97.315)
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: k8mhz@...
>   To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 15:42
>   Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT
>
>   Oh, hey, by the way I got an answer from the FCC about using cell
> phones as inputs for an ACU repeater:
>
>   Quote
>
>   I don't think there's a problem. The repeater is transmitting only
on Amateur frequencies.  It's retransmitting audio, and the source
doesn't matter.

#1904 From: "Chris Schulte" <ab8wo2006@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 12:24 am
Subject: Re: Re: USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT
kc8zsj
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No Hank, as I understand it it's the use of stuff that's below 54 mhz, in other words, hf gear has to be type excepted I'm guessing it's because of the harmonics and spurious emitions that it can cause, i.e the modified chicken band amps that ilegals run on eleven meters.  The stuff that's used for vhf and uhf is fine. 
73,
ab8wo
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Hank Greeb
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:11 PM
Subject: [WestMichiganHams] Re: USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT

Let me get this straight... The Motrac and Motran and similar GE
repeaters which are in wide use are illegal? Or the 100 or so
Motorola VHF police radios which I got from Motorola in Atlanta and
sold, at cost, to folks during the 70's and early 80's? I personally
used several of these for at least a dozen years. They're not type
accepted for Amateur Radio use. Gee, I didn't realize I, and 100's of
my colleagues were violating the FCC rules, and many repeater groups
continue to violate these rules.

Methinks there must be another part of the regs which covers these
kinds of uses.

I do know the converse is illegal - i.e. it's not permissable to use
Ham Gear for commercial uses, either home brew or commercially made,
even though I know it has been done.

73 de n8xx Hg

--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, <k8mhz@...> wrote:
>
> "We do not need type-accepted (FCC Certified) equipment on our
> bands."
>
> Yes we do. No amplifier that operates below 144 MHz may be
constructed by a non-amateur without certification from the FCC (97.315)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: k8mhz@...
> To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 15:42
> Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT
>
> Oh, hey, by the way I got an answer from the FCC about using cell
> phones as inputs for an ACU repeater:
>
> Quote
>
> I don't think there's a problem. The repeater is transmitting only
on Amateur frequencies. It's retransmitting audio, and the source
doesn't matter.


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#1905 From: Tom Nickisch <w8amz@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 12:41 am
Subject: Re: Re: USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT
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Not so Hank,
 
It just means they all comericial mfg. eguiptment has to be FCC approved for it's intended use.
 
Tom


Hank Greeb <n8xx@...> wrote:
Let me get this straight... The Motrac and Motran and similar GE
repeaters which are in wide use are illegal? Or the 100 or so
Motorola VHF police radios which I got from Motorola in Atlanta and
sold, at cost, to folks during the 70's and early 80's? I personally
used several of these for at least a dozen years. They're not type
accepted for Amateur Radio use. Gee, I didn't realize I, and 100's of
my colleagues were violating the FCC rules, and many repeater groups
continue to violate these rules.

Methinks there must be another part of the regs which covers these
kinds of uses.

I do know the converse is illegal - i.e. it's not permissable to use
Ham Gear for commercial uses, either home brew or commercially made,
even though I know it has been done.

73 de n8xx Hg

--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, <k8mhz@...> wrote:
>
> "We do not need type-accepted (FCC Certified) equipment on our
> bands."
>
> Yes we do. No amplifier that operates below 144 MHz may be
constructed by a non-amateur without certification from the FCC (97.315)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: k8mhz@...
> To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 15:42
> Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT
>
> Oh, hey, by the way I got an answer from the FCC about using cell
> phones as inputs for an ACU repeater:
>
> Quote
>
> I don't think there's a problem. The repeater is transmitting only
on Amateur frequencies. It's retransmitting audio, and the source
doesn't matter.



#1906 From: "Tom VanderMel" <kb8vee@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 1:04 am
Subject: Winter Storm Warning
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Subject: Winter Storm Warning

The following is the schedule for QMN-NWS observations and nets for Friday’s winter storm event:

 

Observation                  Net Time          Net/Frequency

 

011200Z (700 AM)     011215Z          QSX SSB        3932 KHz        (alt. 1932 KHz)

                                    011230Z          QMN-CW       3663 KHz        (alt. 1812 KHz)

                                    011245Z          W8HVG Link Repeaters          will be monitoring until about 1300Z, call “K8QMN”

 

012330Z (630 PM)      012330Z          QMN-CW       3663 KHz        (alt. 1812 KHz)

                                    020001Z          MITN-SSB      3932 KHz        (alt. 1932 KHz if MITN fails due to poor conditions)

                                    020015Z          W8HVG Link Repeaters          will be monitoring until about 0030Z, call “K8QMN”

 

Reports may also be posted to the K8QMN-14 high profile BBS serving West Michigan on the QMN Packet Radio Net Frequency:  145.760 MHz.  Numerous nodes and digipeaters are available to provide a path.  Check the DRG web site for network data.

 

Please note:  I will be monitoring 3663 KHz throughout the day while at work for any special reports.   Of particular interest would be significant ice accumulations, significant power outages, storm damage, etc.

 

The QMN-NWS SOPs are available on both the QMN and NREN web pages, the URLs for which are provided below.  Please note that the QMN-NWS SOPs provide a format for reporting ice accumulations.  Please review this format and be prepared to report ice storm events.

 

QMN members are encouraged to monitor the W8HVG link system when available to receive any reports for QSP (relay) to the QMN 3663 KHz frequency.

 

Thank you,

 

 

James Wades, PEM

Executive Director, Michigan Net, QMN

National Radio Emergency Net

P.O. Box 457

Allegan, MI.  49010

 

www.michigannet.org

www.aa8vs.org/nren

 

Telephone:  269-650-0215

E-Mail:  wb8siw@...

 

 

 

 

WWUS43 KGRR 302116

WSWGRR

MIZ058-059-064>067-071>073-010530-

 

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GRAND RAPIDS MI

416 PM EST THU NOV 30 2006

 

...A SIGNIFICANT WINTER STORM EXPECTED TO IMPACT SOUTHWEST LOWER MICHIGAN TONIGHT AND FRIDAY...

 

.A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM CURRENTLY DEVELOPING OVER ARKANSAS WILL INTENSIFY AS IT MOVES NORTH TO CENTRAL ILLINOIS AROUND DAYBREAK FRIDAY MORNING...AND THEN TO NEAR SOUTHERN LAKE HURON FRIDAY EVENING.

ABUNDANT MOISTURE WILL MOVE OVER THE AREA LATE TONIGHT AND FRIDAY MORNING AHEAD OF THIS INTENSIFYING SYSTEM. THIS MOISTURE WILL MOVE INTO THE COLD AIR MOVING OVERHEAD...AND WILL DEVELOP SNOW...

SLEET...FREEZING RAIN...AND RAIN OVER THE AREA.

 

COUNTY SPECIFIC MESSAGE:

 

/O.UPG.KGRR.WS.A.0003.061201T0800Z-061201T2000Z/

/O.NEW.KGRR.WS.W.0002.061201T0600Z-061202T0000Z/

IONIA-CLINTON-ALLEGAN-BARRY-EATON-INGHAM-VAN BUREN-KALAMAZOO-

CALHOUN-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...IONIA...ST. JOHNS...HOLLAND...

HASTINGS...CHARLOTTE...LANSING...SOUTH HAVEN...KALAMAZOO...

BATTLE CREEK

416 PM EST THU NOV 30 2006

 

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 1 AM TO 7 PM EST FRIDAY...

 

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN GRAND RAPIDS HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM WARNING...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 1 AM TO 7 PM EST FRIDAY.

THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.

 

RAIN OR FREEZING RAIN WILL DEVELOP AFTER MIDNIGHT TONIGHT AND WILL CHANGE OVER TO ALL FREEZING RAIN OVERNIGHT. FREEZING RAIN WILL THEN MIX WITH AND CHANGE OVER TO SNOW FRIDAY MORNING.

SNOW...LOCALLY HEAVY AT TIMES...WILL THEN GRADUALLY END LATE TOMORROW AFTERNOON. THUNDERSTORMS WILL ALSO BE POSSIBLE.

 

ICE ACCUMULATIONS OF A QUARTER TO HALF AN INCH ARE LIKELY FROM LATE TONIGHT THROUGH TOMORROW MORNING BEFORE PRECIPITATION CHANGES OVER TO SNOW. SNOWFALL ACCUMULATIONS OF 3 TO 6 INCHES ARE EXPECTED BEFORE THE SNOW ENDS LATE TOMORROW AFTERNOON.

 

A WINTER STORM WARNING MEANS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF SNOW...

SLEET...AND ICE ARE EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. STRONG WINDS ARE ALSO POSSIBLE.  THIS WILL MAKE TRAVEL VERY HAZARDOUS OR IMPOSSIBLE.

 

 

 

AFFECTED COUNTIES:

IN MICHIGAN: ALLEGAN, BARRY, CALHOUN, CLINTON, EATON, INGHAM, IONIA, KALAMAZOO, VAN BUREN.

 

 

 


#1907 From: "Andrew Young" <ayoung@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 2:50 am
Subject: Re: Re: USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT
n8ary
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CONSTRUCTING and SELLING is different than USING.  If you modify a commercial amplifier from another service for Amateur use, then you're OK.
 
You're right- you can't build and sell them commercially without certification.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Hank Greeb
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:11 PM
Subject: [WestMichiganHams] Re: USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT

Let me get this straight... The Motrac and Motran and similar GE
repeaters which are in wide use are illegal? Or the 100 or so
Motorola VHF police radios which I got from Motorola in Atlanta and
sold, at cost, to folks during the 70's and early 80's? I personally
used several of these for at least a dozen years. They're not type
accepted for Amateur Radio use. Gee, I didn't realize I, and 100's of
my colleagues were violating the FCC rules, and many repeater groups
continue to violate these rules.

Methinks there must be another part of the regs which covers these
kinds of uses.

I do know the converse is illegal - i.e. it's not permissable to use
Ham Gear for commercial uses, either home brew or commercially made,
even though I know it has been done.

73 de n8xx Hg

--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, <k8mhz@...> wrote:
>
> "We do not need type-accepted (FCC Certified) equipment on our
> bands."
>
> Yes we do. No amplifier that operates below 144 MHz may be
constructed by a non-amateur without certification from the FCC (97.315)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: k8mhz@...
> To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 15:42
> Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT
>
> Oh, hey, by the way I got an answer from the FCC about using cell
> phones as inputs for an ACU repeater:
>
> Quote
>
> I don't think there's a problem. The repeater is transmitting only
on Amateur frequencies. It's retransmitting audio, and the source
doesn't matter.


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