Howdy Don.
I will be there again this year to help out.  I may even be able to
get the the XYL to come out and put her radio to work as well.  I
will let you know if she is able to come out later.

Enjoy!
Doc, KD8BGQ

--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, Don Meyer <kb8odb@...>
wrote:
>
>   Hello Everyone … Once again it is time to welcome Santa Claus to
Grand Haven for this Christmas season … yes it is the Jingle Bell
Parade and it is this coming Saturday evening at 7:00 pm and we have
been asked to help guide Santa and all his fans large and small
safely along the parade route by GHPS and the Grand Haven Chamber Of
Commerce. We will be meeting starting at 6:15pm at the Grand Haven
Public Safety Parking lot so we are on the route by 7:00 and should
be done by 8:00 if his sleigh makes it on time. If you can help
please come out, we will be communicating on the 145.49 repeater …
please send me a email reply if you can or catch John Fisher or
myself on the repeater … bring your family along too as this is a
real nice winter time event lots of floats with lots of lights …
hope to see you there … 73 Don
>   kb8odb@... or phone 616-846-7307
>
>
>
> Donald Meyer - KB8ODB
>
> Assistant Emergency Coordinator for Amateur Radio in Ottawa County
>
> e-mail:kb8odb@...
>

Talking about TNC's - I have at least two TNC-2 types, a Kantronics
something or the other  (KPC-2 I think), and perhaps a Kantronics data
engine and maybe a 19.2 K modem.  Is there a market for this kind of
thing in Western Michigan?  Would a Holland mini swap be a possible
outlet for these things?

Also, I'd like to get a packet station going for things like DX cluster
spotting, etc. but I need 9 pin DIN plug for the TNC-2 versions.  One
used to be able to get these at Rat Shack, but a couple weeks ago I
perused the shelves of the local emporium and didn't find those
connectors.  Any idea where I might find such a connector?  (I tried
the For Twain hamfest and didn't run across any of the things, though I
didn't scour every possible vendor or flea marketer.)

73 de n8xx Hg

----- Original Message -----

From: Hank Greeb

To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 3:45 PM

Subject: [WestMichiganHams] Packet related question

Talking about TNC's - I have at least two TNC-2 types, a Kantronics
something or the other (KPC-2 I think), and perhaps a Kantronics data
engine and maybe a 19.2 K modem. Is there a market for this kind of
thing in Western Michigan? Would a Holland mini swap be a possible
outlet for these things?

Also, I'd like to get a packet station going for things like DX cluster
spotting, etc. but I need 9 pin DIN plug for the TNC-2 versions. One
used to be able to get these at Rat Shack, but a couple weeks ago I
perused the shelves of the local emporium and didn't find those
connectors. Any idea where I might find such a connector? (I tried
the For Twain hamfest and didn't run across any of the things, though I
didn't scour every possible vendor or flea marketer.)

73 de n8xx Hg

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I have no doubt that under some conditions CW will get the message
through when SSB will not.

HOWEVER, I wonder whether some of the more modern modes would not do as
well as or better than CW. E.g., has anybody run any tests of CW vs.
PSK31 or other digital modes? I have seen Ham Radio Deluxe's PSK31
module "lock onto" and produce intelligible text from signals whose
presence I could not detect by ear.

Of course Morse Code has other advantages, such as not needing a
computer at each end, and in fact for short distances it doesn't even
need a radio: flashing lights or tapping on the walls of one's cell work
too.

Does anybody still use CW except hams? I don't know.

73

Alan NV8A


On 11/27/06 02:30 pm Hank Greeb wrote:

> Yes, Alan.  We're talking of CW, that very ancient mode of operation
> which some folks say is a "dying art."
>
> I doubt that I could have gotten through the pileups through which I
> successfully made contacts during the CQ-WW-SS contest this last
> weekend.  It amazed me to hear the cacophony of loud signals, and
> then, just as they died down, I'd interject my peanut whistle call
> from my low power rig to a wet noodle dipole, and about 50% of the
> time the operator on the other end would come back to me.  Some of
> the DX stations were very kind - they'd only get part of my call, but
> would insist on NOT working anyone else until they workd the "N8"
> or "X" or some other fragment of my call.
>
> I do think some of the operators must have gotten my call
> incorrectly, because they'd come back with w8xx, or n9xx, or some
> other permutation, but since I was in the contest just for the fun it
> really didn't matter to me.
>
> On a different subject, I've been checking into the HF nets when
> possible, and after 7 p.m. or so propagation has been long to very
> long. On the Eighth Region Net, for example, the West Virginia
> stations can generally hear me, they have loud signals, but the Ohio
> stations are sometimes a bit weak - just at or slightly above the
> ambient noise.  If I'd be using SSB, with 2.5 KHz bandwidth, I
> probably couldn't drag the traffic out of the mud.  But, with CW, and
> 500 Hz bandwidth the copy is a bit challenging, but doable.
>
> So, for me, at least, CW seems to be a very valuable tool, both for
> fun of a DX Contest, and for the ability to get traffic through under
> adverse conditions.
>
> As far as D-* goes, I'm a "wait and see person".   It might offer a
> bit more signal to noise ratio than FM, because it works in a smaller
> (2.5 KHz??) bandwidth (at least on 2 metres) vs 10 or 15 KHz for FM,
> but it's not 500 Hz of CW.  Lots more bellzandwhistles are possible
> than with CW, but I'm not sure what happens when the signal gets down
> to only a few dB above the ambient noise.

> --- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, <k8mhz@...> wrote:

>> Q:  You mean... Like CW?

There are digital modes which have error correction and computational
methods which can dig down under the average noise level.  If it were
life or death, and absolute integrity of the messages must be
verified, then this type of transfer would be the mode of choice.
The modes used for communication with submarines, for example, where
signal levels are very low due to absorption from water, must use
these techniques, though exact methods are classified secrets.

For experimenting, such as with the experimental 136 KHz VLF band,
where the ERP is limited and the ambient noise level is high, baud
rates of less than 0.1 with start and stop syncronized with WWV, have
been used to communicate between Australia and Europe for example.
It takes up to several hours to send the bare essentials of a
complete contact.

Coherent CW, at less than 1 WPM, was described way back in the
1960's.  In those days discrete parts, perhaps even tubes, were used.
The techniques are much simpler with computers and sound cards.

Several of these techniques were described in QST a few years ago.  I
haven't searched the index recently.  A simple index is available to
non members at http://www.arrl.org/files/infoserv/qst/ or a
searchable index is available to members at the main arrl.org web
site.

Hg

--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, Alan NV8A <nv8a@...> wrote:
>
> I have no doubt that under some conditions CW will get the message
> through when SSB will not.
>
> HOWEVER, I wonder whether some of the more modern modes would not
> do as well as or better than CW. E.g., has anybody run any tests
> of CW vs. PSK31 or other digital modes? I have seen Ham Radio
> Deluxe's PSK31 module "lock onto" and produce intelligible text
> from signals whose presence I could not detect by ear.
>
> Of course Morse Code has other advantages, such as not needing a
> computer at each end, and in fact for short distances it doesn't
> even need a radio: flashing lights or tapping on the walls of
> one's cell work too.
>
> Does anybody still use CW except hams? I don't know.
>
> 73
>
> Alan NV8A

It's that time of year again for the Sgt. Preston Foot Race.
Frank Towsley, WA7VLH, is handeling the communications for the run.
Pls contact him to sign-up @ 722-8264.  Frank's e-mail is currently
being repaired.

Jim, K8COP



INFO:

Muskegon State Park's Sgt. Preston Yukon King Run
11 a.m. Monday, January 1, 2007.

More than 200 runners are expected at the 32nd annual event, the
longest yearly running race in Muskegon. This fundraiser provides
financial support for the Muskegon High School Athletic Booster Club.

Talking about TNC's - I have at least two TNC-2 types, a Kantronics
something or the other (KPC-2 I think), and perhaps a Kantronics data
engine and maybe a 19.2 K modem. Is there a market for this kind of
thing in Western Michigan? Would a Holland mini swap be a possible
outlet for these things?

Also, I'd like to get a packet station going for things like DX cluster
spotting, etc. but I need 9 pin DIN plug for the TNC-2 versions. One
used to be able to get these at Rat Shack, but a couple weeks ago I
perused the shelves of the local emporium and didn't find those
connectors. Any idea where I might find such a connector? (I tried
the For Twain hamfest and didn't run across any of the things, though I
didn't scour every possible vendor or flea marketer.)

73 de n8xx Hg

From the recent "Contester's Rate Sheet" a paragraph you might find
interesting or useful.  It is an unusual issue that arrives without
one or two fun places to wander into on the internet.  I recommend you
subscribe.

Another fascinating sideline of ham radio, particularly DXing, is
stamp collecting.  There are quite a few "radio stamps" and Merri
AB0MV has put together quite a Web site
(http://www.qsl.net/ab0mv/stamps.htm) with many pictures of stamps
with radio and electrical themes.  The site loads slowly, so be
patient. (Thanks, John W0UN)

SB QST @ ARL $ARLB028
ARLB028 FCC corrects error in "Omnibus" Report And Order

ZCZC AG28
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 28  ARLB028
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  November 29, 2006
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB028
ARLB028 FCC corrects error in "Omnibus" Report And Order

The FCC has released an Erratum that corrects one error in the
recent Report and Order (R&O) in WT Docket 04-140 -- the so-called
"omnibus" Amateur Radio proceeding -- that inadvertently limited J2D
emissions to an occupied bandwidth of 500 Hz. J2D emissions are data
sent by modulating an SSB transmitter.

Had it been left to stand, the error would have rendered illegal
below 30 MHz PACTOR III at full capability as well as Olivia and
MT63 when operated at bandwidths greater than 500 Hz bandwidth, 1200
baud packet, Q15X25 and Clover 2000.

The FCC Erratum revises 97.3(c)(2) of the Amateur Service rules
going into effect December 15 to read:

Data. Telemetry, telecommand and computer communications emissions
having (i) designators with A, C, D, F, G, H, J or R as the first
symbol, 1 as the second symbol, and D as the third symbol; (ii)
emission J2D; and (iii) emissions A1C, F1C, F2C, J2C, and J3C having
an occupied bandwidth of 500 Hz or less when transmitted on an
amateur service frequency below 30 MHz. Only a digital code of a
type specifically authorized in this part may be transmitted.

The Erratum is available on the FCC Web site,
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-268642A1.pdf

The FCC incorporated some unrelated editorial revisions in the
version of the R&O that appeared November 15 in the Federal
Register,
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/01jan20061800/edocket.access.gpo.gov
/2006/pdf/E6-19189.pdf.
The "omnibus" rule changes -- including those accounted for in the
Federal Register and the Erratum -- take effect Friday, December 15,
at 12:01 AM EST (0501 UTC).
NNNN
/EX

QMN Changes, from K8SIW via WA8EFK

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:     QMN Net changes
Date:     Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:48:31 -0500
From:     ARRL Web site <memberlist@...>
To:



Effective December 10 at 2330Z, QMN will shift operations to 3563 KHz.
In addition, effective November 26, the QMN-Early Net has moved to 6:30
PM local time.  These changes are being made to accommodate the recent
FCC Report and Order and the subsequent frequency sharing and net
migration process.

On December 9 at 2330Z, QMN will hold a special commemorative net to
officially vacate the frequency on which we have operated for over
70-years.  QMN members, old and new, are invited to check-in and
participate in this historical event.

Thank you,
James Wades, K8SIW
Executive Director, Michigan Net, QMN

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Section Manager: Dale R. Williams, WA8EFK
wa8efk@...
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Effective December 10 at 2330Z, QMN will shift operations to 3563 KHz.
  In addition, effective November 26, the QMN-Early Net has moved to 6:30
  PM local time.  These changes are being made to accommodate the recent
  FCC Report and Order and the subsequent frequency sharing and net
  migration process.

  On December 9 at 2330Z, QMN will hold a special commemorative net to
  officially vacate the frequency on which we have operated for over
  70-years.  QMN members, old and new, are invited to check-in and
  participate in this historical event.

  Thank you,
  James Wades, K8SIW
  Executive Director, Michigan Net, QMN

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Mark:

I guess that Earth to Mars to Earth (Mars-bounce, similar to Moon-
bounce) wouldn't count, since in 1927 Hiram Percy Maxim couldn't
visualize things like moonbounce.

Did you calculate the path loss?  It should be doable, because Mars
Rovers have been communicating from Mars to Earth for years.  They
couldn't have much stored enegy, so they couldn't generate much RF
power.  They probably rely on high gain antennae for the ERP
requirements.

As you say, the first requirement will be to get a hamshack and
opoerator to MARS.  Wanna volunteer?  :)

Hg

--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, <k8mhz@...> wrote:
>
>
> Here is a picture of the Elser-Mathis cup, now at the ARRL.  It is
the ultimate DX award and has been waiting 80 years to be won.
>
> The cup is to be awarded to the first Earth to Mars contact via
amateur radio.  The rules specify person to person, contacts to
robots don't count.
>
> Read more about it here:
http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/1999/12/07/1/
>
> Do we have the power to make such a contact?  Even at QRO, the
antenna gain would have to be tremedous on both ends.
>
> First we have to get a hamshack there.......
>
> 73
>
> Mark K8MHZ

I am not volunteering because I'll want to be able to come back.  I'll stay here
and point a beam at Mars.

---- Hank Greeb <n8xx@...> wrote:
> Mark:
>
> I guess that Earth to Mars to Earth (Mars-bounce, similar to Moon-
> bounce) wouldn't count, since in 1927 Hiram Percy Maxim couldn't
> visualize things like moonbounce.
>
> Did you calculate the path loss?  It should be doable, because Mars
> Rovers have been communicating from Mars to Earth for years.  They
> couldn't have much stored enegy, so they couldn't generate much RF
> power.  They probably rely on high gain antennae for the ERP
> requirements.
>
> As you say, the first requirement will be to get a hamshack and
> opoerator to MARS.  Wanna volunteer?  :)
>
> Hg
>
> --- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, <k8mhz@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Here is a picture of the Elser-Mathis cup, now at the ARRL.  It is
> the ultimate DX award and has been waiting 80 years to be won.
> >
> > The cup is to be awarded to the first Earth to Mars contact via
> amateur radio.  The rules specify person to person, contacts to
> robots don't count.
> >
> > Read more about it here:
> http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/1999/12/07/1/
> >
> > Do we have the power to make such a contact?  Even at QRO, the
> antenna gain would have to be tremedous on both ends.
> >
> > First we have to get a hamshack there.......
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Mark K8MHZ
>

This was on the ARRL website.  Note the EXCEPTION of the Amateur Service.  We do
not need type-accepted (FCC Certified) equipment on our bands.  We just can't
use our Amateur equipment on other bands such as GMRS, MURS, Public Safety, etc.

So old police radios, non-certified foreign-made radios, and such are OK for use
on our bands, if I read this right:

==============

FCC warns against nonamateur use of modified gear: The FCC has told the ARRL
that police, public safety agencies, and others may not legally use
equipment--such as modified Amateur Radio gear--that has not been FCC certified
to transmit in services requiring FCC-certified equipment. The use of a modified
Amateur Radio transceiver on police frequencies would be contrary to Part 90 of
the rules because the equipment would not be FCC certified, an FCC official
explained. In 1996, the FCC reminded manufacturers and users that transmitters
intended for operation on frequencies allocated to any FCC-authorized radio
service (except the Amateur Service) must be type-accepted (now called FCC
certified) for the particular radio service prior to marketing and use. The use
of such equipment could subject the licensee and user to penalties and
forfeitures, as appropriate. The FCC said anyone selling such equipment also
risks FCC sanctions.





---- k8mhz@... wrote:
>
> Here is a picture of the Elser-Mathis cup, now at the ARRL.  It is the
ultimate DX award and has been waiting 80 years to be won.
>
>
>
> The cup is to be awarded to the first Earth to Mars contact via amateur radio.
The rules specify person to person, contacts to robots don't count.
>
> Read more about it here:  http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/1999/12/07/1/
>
> Do we have the power to make such a contact?  Even at QRO, the antenna gain
would have to be tremedous on both ends.
>
> First we have to get a hamshack there.......
>
> 73
>
> Mark K8MHZ

----- Original Message -----

From: ayoung@...

To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com

Cc: k8mhz@...

Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 14:42

Subject: [WestMichiganHams] USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT

This was on the ARRL website. Note the EXCEPTION of the Amateur Service. We do not need type-accepted (FCC Certified) equipment on our bands. We just can't use our Amateur equipment on other bands such as GMRS, MURS, Public Safety, etc.

So old police radios, non-certified foreign-made radios, and such are OK for use on our bands, if I read this right:

==============

FCC warns against nonamateur use of modified gear: The FCC has told the ARRL that police, public safety agencies, and others may not legally use equipment--such as modified Amateur Radio gear--that has not been FCC certified to transmit in services requiring FCC-certified equipment. The use of a modified Amateur Radio transceiver on police frequencies would be contrary to Part 90 of the rules because the equipment would not be FCC certified, an FCC official explained. In 1996, the FCC reminded manufacturers and users that transmitters intended for operation on frequencies allocated to any FCC-authorized radio service (except the Amateur Service) must be type-accepted (now called FCC certified) for the particular radio service prior to marketing and use. The use of such equipment could subject the licensee and user to penalties and forfeitures, as appropriate. The FCC said anyone selling such equipment also risks FCC sanctions.

---- k8mhz@k8mhz.com wrote:
>
> Here is a picture of the Elser-Mathis cup, now at the ARRL. It is the ultimate DX award and has been waiting 80 years to be won.
>
>
>
> The cup is to be awarded to the first Earth to Mars contact via amateur radio. The rules specify person to person, contacts to robots don't count.
>
> Read more about it here: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/1999/12/07/1/
>
> Do we have the power to make such a contact? Even at QRO, the antenna gain would have to be tremedous on both ends.
>
> First we have to get a hamshack there.......
>
> 73
>
> Mark K8MHZ

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----- Original Message -----

From: k8mhz@...

To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 15:42

Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT



Oh, hey, by the way I got an answer from the FCC about using cell phones as inputs for an ACU repeater:

 

Quote 

 

I don't think there's a problem. The repeater is transmitting only on Amateur frequencies.  It's retransmitting audio, and the source doesn't matter.

 

/Quote

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: ayoung@chartermi.net

To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com

Cc: k8mhz@k8mhz.com

Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 14:42

Subject: [WestMichiganHams] USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT

This was on the ARRL website. Note the EXCEPTION of the Amateur Service. We do not need type-accepted (FCC Certified) equipment on our bands. We just can't use our Amateur equipment on other bands such as GMRS, MURS, Public Safety, etc.

So old police radios, non-certified foreign-made radios, and such are OK for use on our bands, if I read this right:

==============

FCC warns against nonamateur use of modified gear: The FCC has told the ARRL that police, public safety agencies, and others may not legally use equipment--such as modified Amateur Radio gear--that has not been FCC certified to transmit in services requiring FCC-certified equipment. The use of a modified Amateur Radio transceiver on police frequencies would be contrary to Part 90 of the rules because the equipment would not be FCC certified, an FCC official explained. In 1996, the FCC reminded manufacturers and users that transmitters intended for operation on frequencies allocated to any FCC-authorized radio service (except the Amateur Service) must be type-accepted (now called FCC certified) for the particular radio service prior to marketing and use. The use of such equipment could subject the licensee and user to penalties and forfeitures, as appropriate. The FCC said anyone selling such equipment also risks FCC sanctions.

---- k8mhz@k8mhz.com wrote:
>
> Here is a picture of the Elser-Mathis cup, now at the ARRL. It is the ultimate DX award and has been waiting 80 years to be won.
>
>
>
> The cup is to be awarded to the first Earth to Mars contact via amateur radio. The rules specify person to person, contacts to robots don't count.
>
> Read more about it here: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/1999/12/07/1/
>
> Do we have the power to make such a contact? Even at QRO, the antenna gain would have to be tremedous on both ends.
>
> First we have to get a hamshack there.......
>
> 73
>
> Mark K8MHZ

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The December "meeting" will be a potluck dinner. The club will provide
the meat, plates, utensils, soft drinks and coffee.  Please bring a
side-dish, appetizer, salad or dessert for 10 people to share.
Families and friends are cordially invited to join us.  The more the
merrier.

We'll gather at 6:30 p.m., have a very, very, very short business
meeting at approximately 7 p.m., and at 7:05 p.m. or shortly
thereafter we'll start the festivities.

Come one, come all


--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com,
WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
> Reminder from the Calendar of WestMichiganHams
>  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WestMichiganHams/cal
>
> GRARA Monthly Meeting
> Friday December 1, 2006
> 6:30 pm - 8:00 pm
> Location: Red Cross,
> 1/2 Block South of Leonard on Fuller NE, Grand Rapuids
> 1050 Fuller Ave NE
> Grand Rapids, MI 49503

Let me get this straight...  The Motrac and Motran and similar GE
repeaters which are in wide use are illegal?   Or the 100 or so
Motorola VHF police radios which I got from Motorola in Atlanta and
sold, at cost, to folks during the 70's and early 80's? I personally
used several of these for at least a dozen years.  They're not type
accepted for Amateur Radio use.  Gee, I didn't realize I, and 100's of
my colleagues were violating the FCC rules, and many repeater groups
continue to violate these rules.

Methinks there must be another part of the regs which covers these
kinds of uses.

I do know the converse is illegal - i.e. it's not permissable to use
Ham Gear for commercial uses, either home brew or commercially made,
even though I know it has been done.

73 de n8xx Hg

--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, <k8mhz@...> wrote:
>
> "We do not need type-accepted (FCC Certified) equipment on our
> bands."
>
> Yes we do.  No amplifier that operates below 144 MHz may be
constructed by a non-amateur without certification from the FCC (97.315)
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: k8mhz@...
>   To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 15:42
>   Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT
>
>   Oh, hey, by the way I got an answer from the FCC about using cell
> phones as inputs for an ACU repeater:
>
>   Quote
>
>   I don't think there's a problem. The repeater is transmitting only
on Amateur frequencies.  It's retransmitting audio, and the source
doesn't matter.

----- Original Message -----

From: Hank Greeb

To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:11 PM

Subject: [WestMichiganHams] Re: USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT

Let me get this straight... The Motrac and Motran and similar GE
repeaters which are in wide use are illegal? Or the 100 or so
Motorola VHF police radios which I got from Motorola in Atlanta and
sold, at cost, to folks during the 70's and early 80's? I personally
used several of these for at least a dozen years. They're not type
accepted for Amateur Radio use. Gee, I didn't realize I, and 100's of
my colleagues were violating the FCC rules, and many repeater groups
continue to violate these rules.

Methinks there must be another part of the regs which covers these
kinds of uses.

I do know the converse is illegal - i.e. it's not permissable to use
Ham Gear for commercial uses, either home brew or commercially made,
even though I know it has been done.

73 de n8xx Hg

--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, <k8mhz@...> wrote:
>
> "We do not need type-accepted (FCC Certified) equipment on our
> bands."
>
> Yes we do. No amplifier that operates below 144 MHz may be
constructed by a non-amateur without certification from the FCC (97.315)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: k8mhz@...
> To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 15:42
> Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT
>
> Oh, hey, by the way I got an answer from the FCC about using cell
> phones as inputs for an ACU repeater:
>
> Quote
>
> I don't think there's a problem. The repeater is transmitting only
on Amateur frequencies. It's retransmitting audio, and the source
doesn't matter.

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Let me get this straight... The Motrac and Motran and similar GE
repeaters which are in wide use are illegal? Or the 100 or so
Motorola VHF police radios which I got from Motorola in Atlanta and
sold, at cost, to folks during the 70's and early 80's? I personally
used several of these for at least a dozen years. They're not type
accepted for Amateur Radio use. Gee, I didn't realize I, and 100's of
my colleagues were violating the FCC rules, and many repeater groups
continue to violate these rules.

Methinks there must be another part of the regs which covers these
kinds of uses.

I do know the converse is illegal - i.e. it's not permissable to use
Ham Gear for commercial uses, either home brew or commercially made,
even though I know it has been done.

73 de n8xx Hg

--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, <k8mhz@...> wrote:
>
> "We do not need type-accepted (FCC Certified) equipment on our
> bands."
>
> Yes we do. No amplifier that operates below 144 MHz may be
constructed by a non-amateur without certification from the FCC (97.315)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: k8mhz@...
> To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 15:42
> Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT
>
> Oh, hey, by the way I got an answer from the FCC about using cell
> phones as inputs for an ACU repeater:
>
> Quote
>
> I don't think there's a problem. The repeater is transmitting only
on Amateur frequencies. It's retransmitting audio, and the source
doesn't matter.

----- Original Message -----

From: Hank Greeb

To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:11 PM

Subject: [WestMichiganHams] Re: USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT

Let me get this straight... The Motrac and Motran and similar GE
repeaters which are in wide use are illegal? Or the 100 or so
Motorola VHF police radios which I got from Motorola in Atlanta and
sold, at cost, to folks during the 70's and early 80's? I personally
used several of these for at least a dozen years. They're not type
accepted for Amateur Radio use. Gee, I didn't realize I, and 100's of
my colleagues were violating the FCC rules, and many repeater groups
continue to violate these rules.

Methinks there must be another part of the regs which covers these
kinds of uses.

I do know the converse is illegal - i.e. it's not permissable to use
Ham Gear for commercial uses, either home brew or commercially made,
even though I know it has been done.

73 de n8xx Hg

--- In WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com, <k8mhz@...> wrote:
>
> "We do not need type-accepted (FCC Certified) equipment on our
> bands."
>
> Yes we do. No amplifier that operates below 144 MHz may be
constructed by a non-amateur without certification from the FCC (97.315)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: k8mhz@...
> To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 15:42
> Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] USE OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT
>
> Oh, hey, by the way I got an answer from the FCC about using cell
> phones as inputs for an ACU repeater:
>
> Quote
>
> I don't think there's a problem. The repeater is transmitting only
on Amateur frequencies. It's retransmitting audio, and the source
doesn't matter.

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