Todd Bentley and the Lakeland Revival

- Some Research Bits for Those With Questions -

- facts & scriptures, no editorials -

compiled by Hannah Weiss, 4/june/08

(Restorers of Zion, Israel) www.restorersofzion.org





Bit No. 1: A firsthand look at what Todd Bentley does (an example
that predates Lakeland by 4 years)



Sending the 'fire' to Australia and Finland - 'Todd Bentley
Impartation' (labeled as being from a 'Toronto conference' in 2004)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fFp1tG9z7SM&feature=related



An analysis of this video clip, especially the tongues.



Q: Public utterance in tongues -- is it supposed to actually mean
something?

A: According to Paul, yes, and it's assumed to be prophetic.

In fact, before Todd gave these utterances, he actually prayed that
he would prophesy (see clip, starting at the 10 sec mark)



'There are perhaps a great many kinds of languages in the world, and
no kind is without meaning.'

(I Cor.14:10)



'If I come to you speaking in tongues, what shall I profit you,
unless I speak to you either by way of revelation or of knowledge or
of prophecy or of teaching?' (I Cor.14:6)



'Let all things be done for edification.... If there is no
interpreter, let him [who speaks in a tongue] keep silent.' (I
Cor.14:26, 28)



Q: Is it necessary to understand a prophecy given in tongues?

A: According to Paul, yes -- and not just to understand it, but also
to test it.



'If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most
three, and each in turn, and let one interpret.' (I Cor.14:27)



'And let two or three prophets speak, and let the others pass
judgment.... and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets; for
G-d is not a God of confusion but of peace...' (I Cor.14:29, 32-33)



Q: Can Todd Bentley's tongue actually be understood?

A: Yes, because it is clear and deliberate.



'Unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be
known what is spoken?' (I Cor.14:9)



So it CAN 'be known what is spoken', IF we can pinpoint what language
it is.



NOTE: many of the words in this clip, and other words Todd Bentley is
known to shout out when he lays hands on people, can be found in a
Sanskrit dictionary.



Q: Why Sanskrit? What made you even think of looking in a Sanskrit
dictionary?

A: Sanskrit is the holy tongue of Hinduism, and it's the language
used in 'giving Shaktipat'.... which is what Todd Bentley appears to
be doing in his 'impartations'. See the comparison later.



Q: So, assuming the words are Sanskrit, what is he saying over these
people?

A: Here is a list, based on the above clip. I could not catch
everything - these were the clearest.



- The word in 'quotes' is the phonetic word on the clip, in the order
they occur in the video. You can check my accuracy by listening to
the clip yourself.

- The word in (parentheses) is the phonetic word in the Sanskrit
dictionaries on-line. (Sanskrit is a language with its own script, so
this is the closest we can get to the sound of the real word.)

- Then there is the definition, followed by the on-line source so you
can see for yourself. (use the phonetic spelling to look it up)



Pronounced over Australian believers: Start at mark 5:00 on the
timer.



1. 'boomba' was pronounced over 3 (bhumba) - a holy vessel -
specifically a Buddhist ritual water pot

source: http://www.thethankahouse.com/ritual.html



2. 'sapa' was pronounced over 3 (sa'apa) - by the curse of / a curse

sources: http://srimadbhagavatam.com/s/sapa

http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org/downloads/SanskritDictionary.html



3. 'suba' (subha) - fair (ie, beautiful woman) / useful

source:
http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org/downloads/SanskritDictionary.html



4. 'seba' pronounced with extra force and stuttering -
'sebababababa!' (possibly sevaa) - service

source: http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2008-04-
11/article/29723

This is the only one followed by an interpretation: 'crusades!
stadiums filled... like in the days of Kathryn Kuhlman...'

[for info on Kathryn Kuhlman, go to:



5. 'fire, fire, fire' - see comments on kundalini fire in Bit No. 2



Pronounced over Finnish believers: (mark 7:15)



6. 'shuba' (Shubha, sometimes subha) - auspicious / good / a blessing

source: http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/subha/id/143297



7. 'shobbaba' - ?? - 'shobha' is Sanskrit for 'brilliant one'. He may
be stuttering on this word, or it may a form of 'shobha' (for
example, the plural is a class of gods)

source:
http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org/downloads/SanskritDictionary.html



8. 'bakusta' - ?? - could not find any Sanskrit translation, but the
word is clear. 'Bakusta' does mean something in Finnish (someone
from Baku, the capital of Azerbaijan)



9. bam-bam' - (BhaMBhaM) - to sodomize

source:
http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org/downloads/SanskritDictionary.html

(NOTE: This sounds far-fetched and even slanderous --- until you
notice that within seconds, a girl starts moving like she is being
ravished from behind. Todd returns to her, says 'it's on you right
now...' and stands in front of her prophesying. See mark 7:35.)



10. 'fire, fire, fire' - see comments on kundalini 'fire' in Bit No.
2.



11. 'sheeka' (zikhaa) - flame

source: http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?
script=HK&tinput=sheeka&country_ID=&trans=Translate&direction=SE



12. 'shuba -shuba -shuba' (see 6 above)



After he is finished, he says, 'alright, that was fun.'



Q: Couldn't all this be just a weird coincidence?

A: That's for you to judge - keep reading.





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Bit No. 2: About SHAKTIPAT (Hindu impartation ceremony)



Summary:



1. 'Shaktipat' is Sanskrit for 'descent of grace'. That 'grace' is
released by 'kundalini' (defined in Hinduism as 'an intelligent
force' coiled like a snake at the base of the spine, related to the
god Shiva).

'Diksha' is 'initiation' into a new path of enlightenment, which is
usually the occasion for receiving Shaktipat.



2. Shaktipat is 'given' by a guru, someone possessing divine powers
to trigger initiation and unlock the kundalini force. It can be
given any of the following ways:

- by a touch (usually on the 'third eye' - the forehead - or one of
the 'chakras' - top of head, throat, chest, solar plexis, base of
spine).

- by a specially chosen word (spoken in Sanskrit)

- by a deep look into the eyes

- by blowing on someone

- by 'remote' (out of body visitations from the guru)

- and these days, it can be done electronically (by following
instructions while watching a video)



3. Shaktipat is considered 'contagious' - it can spread through a
crowd as the guru passes, it can be carried and passed by touch from
one disciple to another, it can be passed by objects the guru has
touched, or it can be sent by 'remote' through reproduced videos,
trance-inducing music, etc.



4. For Shaktipat to be 'received', it doesn't require conscious
cooperation or agreement, only 'surrender' to the influence.
Kundalini is understood to take over the one receiving this
experience.



5. The evidence of receiving Shaktipat is the appearance of 'kriyas' -
involuntary jerking, falling, laughing and/or shaking. Some have
experienced retching and gagging. Other evidences known to happen,
and considered normal:

- visions

- animal or other inarticulate noises

- being healed of diseases

- intense positive emotions that leave them incoherent

- spontaneous yoga postures (especially bowing to the floor)

- spontaneous speaking in tongues (usually Sanskrit)



Someone who has their kundalini awakened is regarded as 'on fire',
and to spread that awakening is to 'ignite' others. The fire
(called 'tummo') is regarded as the source of healings.



Shaktipat is admitted by Hindus to be potentially harmful. Kundalini
is considered a very powerful force, and if it is not
properly 'controlled' it can cause sickness, madness or death. Shiva
(sometimes also called 'Siva') is the god of destruction and is
worshiped from fear.

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Some documentation:

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1. About Shaktipat - from 'Siddha Mahayoga FAQ' -
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/SiddhaMahayoga/id/34752



What is shaktipat?

''Shakti'' is another word for kundalini and ''pat'' means to
descend. Shaktipat is a method by which an individual's kundalini is
awakened by the direct intervention of a guru. There are several
varieties of shaktipat depending on the facility of the guru and the
receptiveness of the disciple.

There are also a variety of mechanisms for conveying shaktipat. These
include: by glance, by word or mantra, by touch or simply by
intention.

Who can give shaktipat?

..in theory ''anyone on fire'' can give shaktipat, i.e. anyone who's
kundalini is already awakened.

Can one receive shaktipat just by being in the presence of those with
awakened shakti?

There is no doubt that shakti is contagious. The mere presence of a
single being whose shakti is strongly active can awaken the shakti of
those around him. Similarly being in the presence of many people
whose shakti is awakened to some degree can awaken one's own shakti.

The unique perspective of Siddha Mahayoga is that because kundalini
is an intelligent force it will, upon awakening, naturally direct the
practice of the student. All that is required is that the student
completely surrender to this force. As a result of kundalini's
unfoldment spontaneous purifying movements, called kriyas will occur.

What are kriyas?

Kriyas, literally ''activities'', are spontaneous movements that
occur after kundalini awakening. These include bodily activities such
as trembling, shaking and spontaneous yoga postures; vocal activities
such as yelling, or spontaneous chanting and mental activities such
as visions. These kriyas eliminate the blocks to kundalini rising
within the spine or central channel.

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2. About Kriyas - http://kundalini-teacher.com/symptoms/kriyas.php



'Most kriyas are simple tremors or twitches as tension held in the
body, releases. However, they can be quite complex movements,
breathing patterns, (pranayama) vocalizations, visions,...

That is why people who may never have studied Hatha Yoga, find their
bodies wanting to assume Yoga postures, or why people who do not
speak a foreign language may find themselves spontaneously chanting
in Sanskrit.'

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3. About the 'fire' of healing [from the above site]:



Tummo Fire is Tibetan, also known as gtummo, the inner fire. In
practice, you use the tummo fire much the same as Reiki or
therapeutic touch, but no drawing symbols.

This type of tummo is specific to the process of healing and clearing
the emotional blockages of karma, enhancing and smoothing the process
of Kundalini, and paving the road to enlightenment.Tummo initiation
is a very powerful type of shaktipat that can smooth and accelerate
the process in a very safe and easy way.

Tummo is the clear light, heat that burns away the emotional
blockages, etc. that are at the root of illness. Tummo fire is
related to Kundalini heat. It is based in the solar plexus, but can
show up anywhere in the body, burning off karma.

When the fire is active, it reduces the need for emotional release.

Tummo fire can also be transmitted by remote.

At the end of the initiation, the power is put under the guidance of
your unconscious/spirit, which directs it to where it needs to be. It
can also be directed consciously.

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Bit No. 3: 'Test the Spirits' - Comparing Hindu and Bentley
practices side by side



A guru blowing on his disciple to give him Shaktipat:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fGjxW7qCp8U&feature=related



compare with...



Todd Bentley blowing on 3 people to give them 'the fire':

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fFp1tG9z7SM&feature=related

(watch starting at mark 5:38, then again at 7:53)



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Some video examples of Hindu disciples giving and receiving
impartations:



1- A short clip of kundalini 'Kriya' effects in India:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QGpS3aCpC6s&feature=related



2- A clip of a Hindu disciple right after a 'diksha' (impartation of
Shaktipat):

http://www.truveo.com/Disciple-after-diksha/id/1357229074



3- A guru giving 'shaktipat', where people fall backwards:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzcYhRPJUV4



compare with...



Some clips showing Todd Bentley's touch and similar results:



1- http://youtube.com/watch?v=fFp1tG9z7SM&feature=related



(NOTE: This is the one we analyzed for prophecy - watch again the
reactions of those he touches, starting at mark 5:00. Also consider
that he rejects the idea of stand-ins who are native Australians or
Finns with a spiritual burden for his/her country - he insists they
must be physically going to the targeted countries.)



2- http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/05/28/more-slam-
bam-moves-from-todd-bentley-on-lakeland-florida-outpouring-
stage/#comment-7972



(NOTE: The poster who uploaded this clip felt that Todd was doing
this 'for show'. From my research, it is likely he was not in
control of himself. Notice that Todd begins to have Kriyas a while
before he hits the German man with his knee - as explained above in
Bit No.2, Kriyas are involuntary movements when kundalini takes over)



3- http://battle4truth.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/latest-video-from-
florida-revival-todd-bentley/



(NOTE: This is very recent - last week - and is apparently a new
level of spiritual 'intoxication'. Todd's comment: 'It hasn't been
like this on the platform before - not like this!'

What is new here: Todd's self-control has disintegrated, and his body
is manifesting Kriyas almost continually. Also it's spreading to his
assistants. And all reverence for G-d is gone, replaced by 'come
and get some!' in a mocking, drunken tone.)

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the testimony of an Australian girl who received 'Diksha' from a guru:

http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Diksha/id/1672



She gets healed.... sees 'Jesus'... has spiritual visits from her
guru for further healing.... feels peace... sees orbs of light.



compare with...



1- the testimony of an American girl who sought the Lord at Todd
Bentley's conference (2005):

http://forum.narrowistheway.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=952



talk about 'orbs of light'...Todd Bentley unable to read from his
Bible - every time he tried, he became 'drunk' or incoherent or could
not stop laughing.



2- Todd's own account of spiritual (out of body) visits to Australia
(see video clip from Bit No. 1, starting mark 1:00) and also Europe
(starting mark 5:50).

He tells of a woman in England who claims he 'visited' her and healed
her (mark 8:20), and of similar cases in Canada (starting mark 8:40).



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A pause for some relevant questions:



Q: Isn't it true that Satan just copies G-d's holy things? Why
should we throw out a move of G-d just because there are
similar 'copycat' things on the other side?



A: There are some things defined in Scripture as ORIGINATING on
satan's side, and we are commanded to 'not do likewise'. Prominent
among those forbidden things are occult practices and ways of worship:


'...do not inquire after their gods, saying, 'How do these nations
serve their gods, that I also may do likewise?' You shall not behave
thus toward the L-rd your God...'(Deut.12:30-31).



Q: Can't we just sift out the junk and keep what is truly from G-d?
The scripture does say, 'Do not quench the Spirit, do not despise
prophetic utterances. But examine everything carefully; hold fast to
that which is good' (I Thess.5:19-21).



A: Yes, and it goes on to say, 'Abstain from every form of evil.'
(v.22). This applies particularly to the things used by idol
worshipers, where we are forbidden to salvage even the raw gold and
silver that were originally part of an idol (Deut.7:25).



Regarding 'prophetic utterances', when we 'examine everything
carefully' that is coming from Todd Bentley, how much is there
left 'to hold fast to'?



One immediate example:



Todd predicted (Bit No.1 video, starting at mark 4:30) 'a great move
of G-d' with 'hundreds of ministries with power, miracles, signs and
wonders' that would carry revival to Indonesia, Malaysia and
Southeast Asia. He gave a timetable: 'in the next 12 to 14
months' .



That was said in July 2004. Search on the Internet for some report
that a 'revival' of that magnitude came to (or went out from) any of
those countries in 2005... or 2006... or 2007. If it didn't happen,
scripture says we are not to take him seriously as a prophet
(Deut.18:22).



A second example:



Todd prophesied at that time about seeing 'a tidal wave' hitting
Malaysia. Here is the direct quote:

'I saw an open vision of a tidal wave of revival hitting Malaysia.
I'm telling you it's coming within the next 12 to 14 months. Things
are about to break out in Malaysia... our team is going there in
December.' (see the video, starting mark 4:52 ).



On December 26, 2004, a LITERAL tidal wave hit Malaysia. At the
Fresh Fire Prophetic Conference in April 2005, his prophecy was
revised accordingly, as a form of 'judgement':



http://www.freshfire.ca/index.php?
Act=read&status=revival&Id=105&pid=954

'Referring to a prophetic word he delivered in July, 2004 about a
tsunami wave hitting S.E. Asia, Todd said that the church was now
entering a season in which judgment would continue to hit the earth.'



Q: How could anyone do real miracles in the Lord's name, and the Lord
would not be behind it? Yeshua said we can't gather good fruit from
a bad tree. (Matt.7:18)



A: Right after Yeshua's teaching about knowing them by their fruits
(and He was speaking about prophets - see v.15), He warns us
of 'MANY' who will prophesy in His name and 'perform many miracles'
as well (v.22-23).



Our problem is that we have redefined 'good fruit' as 'results', when
He had already defined it as 'doing the will of My Father' (v.21).
We have heard 'these words' of Yeshua and not acted on them (see
v.26), and we are about to see a major collapse throughout the Lord's
Body (v.27).





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Bit No. 4: Todd Bentley's tattoos



There are a lot of discussions about what they are and what they
mean, but I am skipping that part, because:



1- Tattoos of any kind are questionable for believers. For those who
don't feel bound by Torah commands, there is the NT teaching that our
bodies are Temples of G-d and we are not our own. For Israelis and
Jews, there is the added connection of the Nazi practice of tatooing
both Jews and Aryans, which is disturbing.



2- Trying to decipher and interpret the tattoos is inconclusive, and
this has distracted many people, causing them to miss the much
clearer problem of his occult practices and false prophecies.



The only part I will address here is the evidence that Todd Bentley
did have these tattoos and piercings done after beginning
his 'revival ministry':



Compare this video of him preaching in Toronto:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zMRChoojZo



Take a second look also at the video from Bit No.1:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fFp1tG9z7SM&feature=related



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Bit No. 5: Todd Bentley's teachings compared with the dark side of
Kabbalah



See connections to the occultic 'tree of life', the number 10,
angelic powers, serpent enlightenment, Samael (the rabbinic name for
AntiChrist and/or the Beast).



http://obadiah1317.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/todd-bentley-and-the-
florida-outpouring-part-3/



Hear Lakeland pastor Stephen Strader describe the '10 anointings'
(one of which is debt elimination)

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/370341.aspx



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Bit No. 6: Todd Bentley's spirit guides

'Beloved, believe not every spirit, but test the spirits to see
whether they are from G-d, because many false prophets have gone out
into the world.' (I John 4:1)



'Emma' / 'Emma'O'

Bentley's firsthand testimony (from
http://www.etpv.org/2003/angho.html)

EMMA, ANGEL OF THE PROPHETIC

Now let me talk about an angelic experience with Emma. Twice Bob
Jones asked me about this angel that was in Kansas City in
1980: 'Todd, have you ever seen the angel by the name of Emma?' He
asked me as if he expected that this angel was appearing to me.
Surprised, I said, 'Bob, who is Emma?' He told me that Emma was the
angel that helped birth and start the whole prophetic movement in
Kansas City in the 1980s. She was a mothering-type angel that helped
nurture the prophetic as it broke out. Within a few weeks of Bob
asking me about Emma, I was in a service in Beulah, North Dakota. In
the middle of the service I was in conversation with Ivan and another
person when in walks Emma. As I stared at the angel with open eyes,
the Lord said, 'Here's Emma.' I'm not kidding. She floated a couple
of inches off the floor. It was almost like Kathryn Khulman in those
old videos when she wore a white dress and looked like she was
gliding across the platform. Emma appeared beautiful and young-about
22 years old-but she was old at the same time. She seemed to carry
the wisdom, virtue and grace of Proverbs 31 on her life.

She glided into the room, emitting brilliant light and colors. Emma
carried these bags and began pulling gold out of them. Then, as she
walked up and down the aisles of the church, she began putting gold
dust on people. 'God, what is happening?' I asked. The Lord
answered: 'She is releasing the gold, which is both the revelation
and the financial breakthrough that I am bringing into this church. I
want you to prophecy that Emma showed up in this service-the same
angel that appeared in Kansas city-as a sign that I am endorsing and
releasing a prophetic spirit in the church.' See, when angels come,
they always come for a reason; we need to actually ask God what the
purpose is. Within three weeks of that visitation, the church had
given me the biggest offering I had ever received to that point in my
ministry. Thousands of dollars! Thousands! Even though the entire
community consisted of only three thousand people, weeks after I left
the church the pastor testified that the church offerings had either
doubled or tripled.

During this visitation the pastor's wife (it was an AOG church) got
totally whacked by the Holy Ghost- she began running around barking
like a dog or squawking like a chicken as a powerful prophetic spirit
came on her. Also, as this prophetic anointing came on her, she
started getting phone numbers of complete strangers and calling them
up on the telephone and prophesying over them. She would tell them
that God gave her their telephone number and then would give them
words of knowledge. Complete strangers. Then angels started showing
up in the church.

I believe Emma released a financial and prophetic anointing in that
place. That was the first angel that I have ever seen in the form of
a woman. Some angels I've seen seemed like they were neither male nor
female. However, Emma appeared as a woman who was like a Deborah,
like a mother in Zion. When she came, she began to mentor, nurture
and opened up a prophetic well. The people in the church began having
trances and visions and the pastor began getting words of knowledge
and moving in healing. That congregation also saw more financial
breakthrough than they had ever seen before.

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Compare with this information on Hindu gods [From Answers.com]:

Emma-O', derived from the Sanskrit Yama (see Yama), is the Japanese
Buddhist Lord of Jigoku, or Hell (see Jigoku). Emma judges souls and
places them in hells appropriate to their crimes. In this context
there are a total of eight hells. These have been described by people
who were for one reason or another released from punishment. The
hells are a popular subject for Japanese scrolls. Emma's primary
enemy is Jizô (see Jizô), always a supporter of the dead souls
against Emma and usually the victor over his dark adversary.

As Jizô's popularity has grown and Emma's diminished, Emma has become
a demon.

...and compare with this note [From Lakeland Revival: Todd Bentley,
Bob Jones, and some things to consider,
http://pjmiller.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/lakeland-revival-todd-
bentley-bob-jones-and-some-things-to-consider/



'While researching this revival today, and the programs being aired
at GODTV, it was noted by at least 2 people who watched a recent
program that this 'Angel' was also being referred to by Bentley as
not only 'Emma' but 'Emma-O' on occasion.'

Bentley changes angelic partners

There are reports that he has removed the above testimony about Emma
from his site. Apparently other controversial articles are
disappearing... and sometimes reappearing with different URLs. [see
Todd Bentley - strange manifestations on Fresh Fire website! -
http://discerningtheworld.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/todd-bentley-emma-
move-over-sundar-singh-is-in-the-house/]

There is a report that Bentley has adopted a newer, stronger, scarier
(and more manly) angel named 'Angel of the Lord', who releases wealth
too. See the CBN interview with Lakeland pastor Stephen Strader
(http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/370341.aspx)

Other angels being discussed off and on: 'Promise' 'Winds of
Change' 'Flame'



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Bit No. 6: Todd Bentley's Spiritual Mentors and Supporters

(a partial list, but digging below the surface to test these prophets
as well)



TODD BENTLEY'S MENTORS



Bob Jones: Kansas City prophetic ministry, and throughout the 1980s
considered one of their most gifted prophets. He is credited with
predicting the 'outbreak' of the 1994 Toronto 'blessing', ten years
earlier. [see
http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/05/11/prophey-bob-
jones-role-in-toronto-blessing-brownsville-lakeland-what-comes-next-
civil-war-in-the-church/]



In 2003, Jones introduced Todd Bentley to 'Emma', who they both say
had fueled the Kansas City 'revival' as well. (see Bit No.6 above for
Emma, see below for KC). He has gone on record proclaiming Bentley's
ministry as a 'third wave' of revival.



Jones was removed from his prophetic post in 1991 after admitting to
sexual misconduct.

[from http://wayofthelordchurch.org/pdf/pdf_20_1.pdf]:


Because of Jones' national visibility and ministry, the National
Board for the Association of Vineyard Churches in Anaheim, led by
John R. Wimber, issued a letter Tuesday to all of its churches
explaining the incident.



'The sins for which Bob has been removed from ministry include using
his gifts to manipulate people for his personal desires, sexual
misconduct, rebelling against pastoral authority, slandering leaders
and the promotion of bitterness within the body of Christ,' the
letter stated.



[snipped]

The church is seeking private counseling for Jones, his wife and the
two women, said Gulliksen, who will personally oversee the
counseling.



'Bob will not be free to minister until he is fully recovered,'
Gulliksen said. 'It's not like Jimmy Swaggert who overnight
said, 'Now I've sinned and I am back in charge.' '



This is the 12th incident with similar accusations against a Vineyard
church leader since 1974

when Gulliksen and his wife founded the church in Los Angeles,
Gulliksen said. All 12 leaders were removed and counseling was
provided, and frequently paid for, by the church for the leaders and
the victims, he said. After years of counseling, six of those 12 have
returned to ministry positions of lesser standing.



C 1991 The Olathe Daily News. November 13, 1991, p. 3A



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The latest on Bob Jones: struck with kidney failure on Dec. 11,
2007.

At first they were claiming a complete and miraculous healing from G-
d. More recently the miracle has been described differently:

[from http://www.bobjones.org/index.cfm] (May 6, 08)

'Our last visit to the kidney doctor was a great success. Bob's
kidney function continues to improve; the creatinine level dropped to
3.1 so the doctor removed the perm-cath from his chest last
Wednesday.

We still need to have a fistula placed in his arm in the event he
should need dialysis in the future. However, we believe the Lord gave
us a miracle and will continue to heal the kidneys and totally
restore his health. He is gaining strength daily. We must be good
stewards of the miracle He gave us.'



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Paul Cain: Kansas City's 'chief prophet', promoted by them as very
gifted in words of knowledge, and revered as a spiritual 'father' to
some of the movement's current prophetic leaders..



Cain joined Todd Bentley's Lakeland revival in May 2008.



(from a blogger's post at the Lakeland Church site, May 4, 08)

Last night, amid the miracles of God and healings, Todd Bentley
announced that prophet Paul Cain was coming to Lakeland, the first
night at Tiger Town Stadium, but also possibly coming to The Lakeland
Center as well.

Some highlights of who prophet Paul Cain is:

. At the age of 17, Paul began to hold citywide salvation and
healing campaigns in tents, civic auditoriums and churches where
supernatural and documented healings took place.

. He became one of many revivalists during the 'Healing
Revival' which lasted from 1947 to 1958.

. During the great healing revival, Paul's ministry reached
international proportions. In 1954, his manager purchased the world's
largest gospel tent from Jack Coe, having a capacity to hold 8,000
people. Paul toured the country, filling it with thousands wherever
he went.

Prophet Paul Cain runs with other powerful men of God such as Oral
Roberts, William Branham, O.L. Jaggers, A.A. Allen, T.L. Osborn, Jack
Coe, and Franklin Hall.

Paul Cain prophesied that the day would come that American believers
would fill stadiums across the land. Todd Bentley, Paul Cain, Stephen
Strader of Ignited Church, and many others, believe that The Florida
Revival in Lakeland, Florida, especially at Tiger Town Stadium (Joker
Marchant Stadium), is the beginning of the manifestation of that
vision.

Expect Paul Cain tonight!



Bentley honored Cain at Lakeland (13/5/08) for the above-mentioned
prophecy which he had given in 1999.



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While being hailed as a prophet, Paul Cain was living a double life
as a practicing homosexual and alcoholic:

[from http://www.morrnnsstrarministries.ore/oages/
special~bulleu.ns/0ct_19.html]



'In February 2004, we were made aware that Paul had become an
alcoholic. In April 2004, we confronted Paul with evidence that he
had recently been involved in homosexual activity. Paul admitted to
these sinful practices and was placed under discipline, agreeing to a
process of restoration, which the three of us would oversee. However,
Paul has resisted this process and has continued in his sin...

With our deepest regrets and sincerity, Rick Joyner, Jack Deere, Mike
Bickle.'

Paul Cain at first denied the truth, and apologized for it in 2005:

http://web.archive.org/web/20050225053035/http://www.paulcain.org/news
.html

'I must apologize to the body of Christ for my recent conduct. I want
to correct the denials that I made earlier in reference to charges
brought against me....'

Two years later, this announcement was circulated:

[from http://www.morningstarministries.org/Publisher/Article.aspx?
id=1000013152]

In light of Paul Cain's recent announcement of restoration to
ministry, we have been repeatedly asked for input. First, we rejoice
in God's mercy that provides anyone with total forgiveness for any
sin that is repented of. However, forgiveness of our sin is not the
same as being restored to public ministry. We care much about Paul's
life before God and his future ministry. We believe that his future
ministry could far surpass his former ministry, if he allows the full
restoration process to take place. Paul originally agreed to submit
to Larry Alberts and his team in his restoration process. These men
are well known and respected by many of Paul's friends in ministry.
We strongly urged him not to leave Larry's care and oversight.
However, he left Larry's oversight just over a year ago and moved to
California to relate to a group of men that we do not know much
about. Neither do we know the process that they say that Paul went
through. Therefore, we cannot say with confidence that this is a
genuine restoration that is according to the principles of God's
Word....

Mike Bickle, Rick Joyner and Jack Deere, 1/22/2007

(More about Bickle, Joyner and Deere below under KC)

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Whether Cain has now been restored from his sexual sin is a big topic
for argument -- and I believe it is a clever diversion. The
believers are always ready to exclude someone for sexual or financial
sins - and we usually miss far more dangerous spiritual problems.

Consider these errors, which Cain was never asked to repent from:

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1- His 'new breed' doctrine (shared with fellow prophet Bob Jones),
which places importance on physical bloodlines - and hails a 'New
World Order'.

[from http://watch.pair.com/rain.html]

Paul Cain:

'God is raising up a new standard, a new banner if you will, that's
going to radically change the expression, the understanding of
Christianity in our generation.God has invited us to have a role in
establishing this NEW ORDER of Christianity.God is offering to this
generation something He has never offered to any other generation.
Beware lest OLD ORDER brethren rob you and steal this hope from you!

(Vineyard Prophecy Conference, 1989)

Bob Jones [speaking in G-d's name]:

'I have called the best of every blood line in earth unto this
generation.I have elected to bring them forth in this generation.THE
ELECT GENERATION.even the bloodline of Paul.of David.of Peter, James
and John.They will even be superior to them in heart, stature and
love for me'.Your children will possess the spirit without
measure.They will move into things of the supernatural that no one
has ever moved in before.coming into the DIVINE NATURE of Jesus
Christ.a Church that has reached the full maturity of the GODMAN!
This generation.is going to see the beginning of this WORLD WIDE NEW
ORDER.'

(Vineyard Prophecy Conference, 1989)

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2. His false prophecies, proclaimed and supported by Rick Joyner, for
example:

[from http://morningstarministries.org/Publisher/File.aspx?
id=1000002736]

'THE MOST AMAZING AND WONDERFUL ASPECT OF THIS DREAM WAS THAT

PAUL CAIN SAW THE LORD PUTTING HIS SPIRIT UPON BILL CLINTON AND

CHANGING HIM INTO ANOTHER MAN, JUST AS HE DID KING SAUL IN I

SAMUEL!'

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3. His divination abilities, which were inherited and not a spiritual
gift:

[from http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/orrel19.html]

David Pyches, who has authored a book extolling the Kansas City
prophets, recounts the early clairvoyant talent of Paul Cain:

Paul's mother, grandmother, and great grandmother had all been born
with the gift of seeing. His great-grandmother would sometimes see
things in broad daylight and ask her friend or family if they could
see them too. If they said they could not, she would occasionally
wave her hand upon them and they would immediately see the identical
vision... Paul now found he was 'seeing' also and would know things
that were going to happen to classmates at school or were happening
to absent friends. He knew simple things like who would end up with a
bloody nose or who would win a race... By the age of nine 'Little
Brother' (as he was being affectionately referred to by adults,
perhaps because it was the form of address used by the angel who
spoke to him from time to time) began public preaching in a limited
way....

On one occasion Mike Bickle had been complaining to his wife that he
had 'a bit of a sniffle' or a slight cold - something he rarely had -
the phone rang, Bickle picked up the receiver and heard Paul on the
line. He had heard about Paul's gift so he said by way of a
joke, 'Hi, Paul! You're all right today! How am I?' Immediately Paul
answered him, 'Why Mike, you've got a bit of a sniffle and you are
all wet. Your hair is standing up on the left side of your head.'
(Bickle had just gotten out the shower). (Pyches, pgs. 24,26,29,30.

A friend of ours from Australia was in a public meeting in which Cain
was speaking. This man had just lost his wife and Cain (with no
knowledge of this man) pointed to him and told him so and proceeded
to name his four sons.

Art Katz reported:

'That man is a prophet of God'... 'He lold me secrets of my heart
which no man could possibly know!' (David Pyches, Some Say It
Thundered, (Oliver-Nelson: Nashville, Th.), 1991, p.81.

A publisher of a famous Charismatic magazine once harbored some
doubts regarding Cain. Cain later met him and proved to him that he
was indeed a prophet of God. Cain then referred to a boat owned by
the publisher and preceded to tell him the numbers of his boat
license after which the publisher called him truly a prophet of God.

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The latest on Paul Cain: Shortly after appearing with Todd Bentley on
May 13, 08, Cain was hit with a stroke:

http://www.charismamag.com/cms/news/archives/051308.php

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TODD BENTLEY'S ROOTS - TORONTO REVIVAL & KANSAS CITY PROPHETS

The video in Bit No. 1 was in a conference under the 'Toronto
Revival' covering. The Vineyard logo is clearly visible on the
stage. This tells us that (a) Todd is 'practicing' these things and
has not just 'fallen into' them; and (b) Toronto Revival leaders have
long supported these practices.



John Wimber: head of the Toronto Vineyard 'revival', responsible for
proclaiming Paul Cain as a true prophet. He was one-upped by his
Toronto associate Jack Deere, who called Cain and Jones the Two
Witnesses of Revelation:

'You see why we're excited about someone like Paul Cain or Bob Jones
coming on the scene? Or others that we 'ye met... you know those two
powerful witnesses in Revelation 11:3? They are prophets. He said
they will prophesy for 1,260 days. He's going to end the last day's
just before His Son returns with a prophetic movement that will sweep
the entire face of the earth and will eclipse anything we have ever
seen before...' (Deere, It Sounds Like the Mother of All Battles,
Vineyard Ministries International, 1990 quoted by Jewel van der Merve
in her Discernment newsletter, 1991).

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The latest on John Wimber: died Nov. 18, 1997, of a brain hemorrhage.

http://www.worship.co.za/la/obituary.htm

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Mike Bickle: The 3rd leader of Kansas City, who originally worked
with Cain and Jones. He wholeheartedly supported these men as true
prophets. He was accused of covering for some of their prophecies
that did not come to pass.

[from
http://www.christiandoctrine.net/doctrine/articles/article_00093_the_k
ansas_city_prophets_web.htm]

In 1983 Bob Jones made a 'prophecy' that there would be three months
of drought. Mike Bickle said at the time

'Kansas City was known as the bread-basket of the world; it was the
centre of grain farming, fanning out to a radius of five hundred
miles. For the whole of June there was no rain! IT was terrible! For
the whole of July there was no rain! It was terrible! No rain during
the first week of August or the second or the third. It was terrible!
Bob Jones said that the Lord had told him it would come on 23rd
August. We had all been poised since early dawn that day, but by 1 pm
there was still no rain. By six o'clock we were just resigned to wait
another day when suddenly it began. And did it rain? It poured! No
man could have manipulated that. It just had to be God!'

..the pastor of a charismatic church in Kansas City... Ernest Gruen,
said there was no drought! The U.S. National Weather Bureau confirms
that seven inches of rain fell on Kansas City in June 1983. It rained
on 12 out of thirty days - almost half the month! On just one of
those days, the rainfall was seven times the rainfall on 23rd August!
So, the prophecy was a lie and a fake. What is far worse, is that
Bickle afterward (that is, after knowing what really happened, and
after knowing the prophecy to be false) claimed it to be true.



A longer history of KC Prophetic Ministry -1982 - 2000, includes
firsthand testimonies from former KCP associates

http://www.intotruth.org/kcp/kcp-roots.html

'The Kansas City Prophets Exposed' - A 233-page testimony and
eyewitness accounts of abuse at KC ministries, by a Kansas City
pastor, Ernie Gruen

http://www.intotruth.org/kcp/kcp-gruen.html

Here is an interview with Ernie Gruen, where he refutes the rumors
that he had apologized to Mike Bickle for circulating the testimony
against KC IHOP.

http://thegreycoats.wordpress.com/2008/02/17/the-much-awaited-
interview-with-ernie-gruen/



More firsthand testimony from Andrew Strom, formerly with the Kansas
City ministry: 'Why I left the Prophetic Movement' (2004)

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~revival/leaving.html



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TODD BENTLEY SUPPORTERS

Rick Joyner on Todd Bentley: 'The History and Future of the Present
Revival - Part 4'

from http://www.morningstarministries.org/Publisher/Article.aspx?
id=1000032410


I saw faith become a fist that punched a hole through an overcast of
clouds. This was the demonic oppression over America. As the holes
opened up, angels started pouring through them. The bigger the holes
were, the more angels that were coming through them. They were
carrying the resources of heaven that included everything we needed.
Heaven is about to invade earth. This is going to cause a great
distinction to develop between those who know and serve the Lord, and
those who do not.

Todd Bentley did punch a hole through the darkness over Lakeland, and
heaven has been pouring through the hole, and it is getting bigger.
What is happening in Lakeland is stirring up the faith of many more.
The 'faith barometer' has begun to rise all over the body of Christ.
Now many others are reaching up to do the same thing. The sizes of
the holes are dependent on the size of our faith. I pray that what is
happening in Lakeland keeps going and keeps growing, but what is now
being released will go on regardless of how long the revival goes on
in Lakeland. A fire has been started that is already too big to stop.



Joyner also participated in Bentley's 'Fresh Fire' prophetic
conference in April 2005:

[from http://www.freshfire.ca/index.php?
Act=read&status=revival&Id=105&pid=954





SUPERNATURAL SIGNS APPEAR AT PROPHETIC CONFERENCE

Feathers supernaturally appeared in the air and gently fell to the
floor, as if God was opening up the

Fresh Fire Ministries prophetic conference with a special divine sign
of an open heaven over the

place. This sign caught the attention of the capacity crowd at the
Living in the Supernatural

conference listening to the opening prophetic message of Revivalist
and FFM founder, Todd Bentley

in Abbotsford, B.C., Canada. About 36 feathers seemed to appear in
mid air, a few at a time,

throughout the meeting - they started ten feet below the ceiling,
before drifting to earth, as heaven

invaded the building.



During the 4-day event, Todd, as well as international speakers and
prophets, Rick Joyner, John Paul

Jackson and Charlie Robinson equipped the more than 2000 attendees
and called them out of

natural living into a life walked out in the supernatural realm.

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God-TV on Todd Bentley: Live coverage

http://www.freshfire.ca/index.php?Id=&Act=show_event_details&event=348

http://www.freshfire.ca/index.php?
Act=read&status=revival&Id=130&pid=954&bid=923

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Sid Roth on Todd Bentley:

http://www.sidroth.org/site/News2?abbr=art_&page=NewsArticle&id=7301

I have just returned from Lakeland, Florida where I interviewed Todd
Bentley about the ongoing revival there. This is the greatest revival
since Azusa Street. The physical healing miracles, salvations,
transferable anointing and manifestations of glory are awesome. This
is what we all have been praying and waiting for! Go here to watch a
video excerpt of my interview with Todd and feel the presence of God
that was in the studio.

[the interview is at: http://www.sidroth.org/site/PageServer?
pagename=tv_videoupdateBentley -- with the following note:]

Dear Mishpochah,

The interview above was recorded with Todd Bentley at the revival in
Lakeland, Florida. Also, while Todd was ministering at the revival on
April 27, 2008, he stopped to give me the following word:

The Lord is speaking to me (the Angel). He just spoke to me about Sid
Roth....I just heard the Lord interrupt me and tell me that this
anointing is gonna begin to break out in your ministry on the
television and something over the airwaves, I mean the radio again.
God's going to anoint you in a whole new way and this miracle
anointing is going to go around the world if you will pray for the
sick. Bam! It will be released in a mighty way.



NOTE: In the above interview, Bentley tells how the 'fire' was
carried back to Rick Joyner's school. Sid Roth tells of a 'presence'
that entered the studio, and Bentley tries to transfer it to viewers
through the camera - he commands 'healing fires' (see 'fire of
healing' under Bit No. 2) and invites viewers to reach out and touch
their computer screens. Viewers are advised to cover themselves with
the blood of Yeshua and to actively refuse to receive anything.

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Steven Strang of Charisma Magazine on Todd Bentley:

http://strangreport.com/

from 'The Long-term Effects of Revival' (May 22, 2008)

It's exciting to see what's happening in Lakeland. In my 32 years of
covering the charismatic movement, I've never seen any 'revival
meeting' get so much attention so fast. Everyone, it seems, is
talking about it. A long line of respected leaders have attended the
meetings to see it for themselves. Most have come away saying it's a
genuine move of God.

After only 50 days, someone said the revival is still a 'baby.' So
it's not fair to pass judgment yet. That is for God to do. But at the
same time, we can look at history to give us an idea of what to
expect. After all, it's well known that those who don't learn the
lessons of history are bound to repeat them. [he then goes on to
describe how similar 'revivals' ended in scandal, splits, leaders
falling into sin, and other mishaps... then concludes:]

So let's pray that this revival grows. Pray for the leaders who are
under enormous pressure to minister seven days a week under the glare
of national and international media, as well as critics-both those
who want to destroy the revival as well as those who want the revival
to stay on track so it can continute to grow.



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CBN on Todd Bentley:

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/370291.aspx

Lakeland Revival Miracle Healings Continue

By Paul Strand

CBN News Sr. Washington Correspondent

May 24, 2008

'astounding miracles' 'happening all over the earth simultaneously'
because of God TV. Goes on to document various healings. Nothing
about the methods or teachings that go with this ministry. No
comment when one woman said Bentley blew on her and 'healed' her,
allowing her to bend over (but the rods in her back are still there).

'There's a silver lining here for all believers who want a piece of
this action. It appears the anointing on Bentley, Strader and all
those others God's using in Lakeland is highly transferable, and
they're hearing back from Lakeland visitors who've returned home....
Some are saying this is the most contagious anointing the world has
ever seen.'

Anchor man: 'Revival has met the Internet age.'

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Bit No. 7: Todd Bentley is on his way to Israel.

He is planning to 'impart' things to Israeli believers while here.

http://www.freshfire.ca/index.php?Id=&Act=show_event_details&event=348

Israel & Turkey

November 10 - 24, 2008

There is no encounter that parallels the experience of walking and
praying in Israel. If you have ever dreamed of visiting Israel,
prayerfully consider this window of opportunity to walk where Jesus
walked, during this nation's 60th Anniversary.

Todd Bentley and Fresh Fire Ministries invite you to experience a
tour through Turkey and Israel with us. This will be a unique trip as
we journey to key biblical sites in these two strategic nations. We
expect to be lead by the Holy Spirit into times of ministry and
prayer on location, as we remain attentive to His leading. What an
amazing time we will have together, praying and receiving impartation
in the very geographical place where Jesus prayed, performed
miracles, instructed His disciples, carried the cross, rose from the
dead and ascended into the heavens!...

Just as the impact of Israel has, for many generations, caused a
massive shock wave throughout every earthly arena, this anniversary
celebration will cause a rippling effect throughout the heavenly
realms! That's why we believe this Fresh Fire trip contains within
it, a divine appointment with the reality of God's desire to fulfill
His promises in our own lives.

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It is my prayer that this research will help those of the brethren
who are unsure, disturbed and/or misinformed about this fast-growing
phenomenon.

Please, whatever you do, DO NOT make your decision based on what
someone else has decided. (That includes me!) Learn to examine,
think, and seek G-d's truth FOR YOURSELF. Learn to know your Lord's
voice FOR YOURSELF. It is becoming a matter of Life and Death,
spiritually speaking.







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