Try Discriminating General for the Indian India pattern Bess
Len
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On Tue, 9 May 2000 20:39:47    Larry Lozon wrote:
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>British Flintlocks, any other sources?
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>try Kennedy Firearms at:
>http://amaty.com/artisans/kf.htm
>
>10 North Market Street
>Muncy PA
>USA 17756
>(570) 546 - 6695
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings but Kennedy is no longer in the
pistol kit business, as of his announcement published in the most recent
issue of "Muzzleloader Magazine', (May-June,2000); p.4.  Scuttlebut is a
serious illness.
    On a more positive note, last year I purchased a 1735 Brit. Heavy
Dragoon pistol built from original castings by the Rifle Shoppe, by John
Bosh,155 McKeon Dr.; North Attleboro, MA  02760  ;   1- (508) 695-3548
Please be sure to tell him that I (Lee Caripidis) referred you.
The pistol is a beauty. He made this one into a sea service type by
making a brass barrel and adding a belt hook. He's currently working on a
Long Land pattern "Bess" and a 1717 French musket for me as well as his
newest line, a 1735 sea service "Bess" for a friend. He does fine work.

On Tue, 9 May 2000 20:39:47 -0400 "Larry Lozon" <lalozon@...>
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>RE: ---- Original Message-----
>From: Stephen Allie <allies@...>
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>British Flintlocks, any other sources?
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>try Kennedy Firearms at:
>http://amaty.com/artisans/kf.htm
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>10 North Market Street
>Muncy PA
>USA 17756
>(570) 546 - 6695
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>The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds
>of square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of
>THOUSANDS ofsquare miles...
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How about:
Cpl "I know a short cut sir,"
Quartermaster Sgt. " No bullets till yew have the proper authorization"
RSM " If you need me I'm in the Mess,"
Adjutant "Oh put it on the desk, I'll get to it later,"
Colonel " Give it to my Adj, he can do it,"
General  "It'll be over by Christmas,"
Chief of Defence Staff,"Obviously my people were wrong,"
Prime Minister, " Well der, we needs 80 t'ousan' U.N Peacekeepers  an' we only
gots 72 t'ousan'personnel... no problem..."
Mess Steward " Try this sir. It'll help..."

Len (the ex-Adj)



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If I may, ...I have found the almost shiny brown paper which SMALL paper
sacks are made of, but NOT the heavy brown paper of shopping bags, to
serve best for paper cartridges. Strong, but easy on the teeth.
Lee.
On Tue, 09 May 2000 21:14:17 -0700 "Len Heidebrecht"
<lheidebrecht@...> writes:
> Max,
>Generally a fairly heavy brown almost construction paper was used, but
>frankly, that is REALLY tough on the teeth. A good, unprinted
>newsprint seems best.
>Len
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>On Tue, 9 May 2000 16:34:32    MAXINE TROTTIER wrote:
>>That is interesting. Do you use plain paper for your cartridges? Some
>of our guys use reproductions of period newspapers. I have run off
>paper for Bill with thousands of Vive Le Roi! in script running across
>it. Looks neat scattered all over the field.
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>---- Original Message-----
>From: Stephen Allie <allies@...>
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>British Flintlocks, any other sources?
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Sorry ....Kennedy ...is no longer in the... pistol... business
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Then try

Caywood Gunmakers
18 King's Hill Estates
Berryville, AR
USA  72616

(870) 423 - 4741

www.caywoodguns.com

Steve, we'll get you those pistols !



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I have just rec'd this "E"

"...can I post an announcement about a 1812 battle on this one list.. "
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     put so well as posted by our list owner, Jim Yaworsky,


The WarOf1812 eGroup is:

"a forum for discussion of all aspects of the War of 1812-14 between the United
Kingdom and the United States; including all related operations such as the
Creek War in the southern United States.  The War of 1812-14 as it related to
the Napoleonic Wars.  Causes of the War.  Personalities, campaigns, the makeup,
training, and equipment of the armies which fought in the war.  Results of the
war.  Canada and the war.  The naval War of 1812 as fought on the seven seas
around the globe. This list is primarily designed to facilitate easy
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I just got back from Mansker's Station, in TN, where I spoke with Danny
Caywood and saw his beautiful small French pistols. They are currently
the only pistol he has for sale. No military. They are priced in the
$900. range depending on smooth or rifled bbl.

On Wed, 10 May 2000 11:35:55 -0400 "Larry Lozon" <lalozon@...>
writes:
>>RE:
>>---- Original Message-----
>>From: Stephen Allie <allies@...>
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>>British Flintlocks, any other sources?
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>And an "E"
>From: lee caripidis <ditlegrec@...>
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>Sorry ....Kennedy ...is no longer in the... pistol... business
>-------------------------------------------------------
>Then try
>
>Caywood Gunmakers
>18 King's Hill Estates
>Berryville, AR
>USA  72616
>
>(870) 423 - 4741
>
>www.caywoodguns.com
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>Steve, we'll get you those pistols !
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RE:
---- Original Message-----
From: Stephen Allie <allies@...>

British Flintlocks, any other sources?
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OK

The Rifle Shoppe's Canadian Rep,

Pierre Oliver

pierre.oliver@...

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Len Heidebrecht wrote:
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>  How about:

> Quartermaster Sgt. " No bullets till yew have the proper authorization"

Best said with a Welsh accent? *G*

Dave

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Spirits of the north Historical Club
                                 Present
                 The Battle for Michigan Territory
                                   1812


     The spirits of the north club is hosting an 1812  battle August 5,6 2000 .
Two miles west of the city of Mackinaw ,
         Michigan, on central Ave , and then 200 yds south ,to the property known
as the headlands. On Saturday and                 Sunday in the  afternoon of
each day their will be a prolonged 1812 battle ,simulating what might have taken
place  between the British and American forces In the opening clash of the war
of 1812.
      The overall battlefield commander is to be,General Timothy Pickles as in
1999 , Colonel Chuck Kibby is the                     1812  committee Chairman .
Major Homes Wendell Hoover will bring reinforcements Sunday to carry the field
for             the  Americans .Major boisineau native American commander.
Captain Lloyd Gower RR American                                     battlefield
commander .

         Many of our reenacter guests suggested they were not worked enough on
the battle field .
         The plan for 2000 is to move cannon about the field to a reasonable
extent .to have the infantry and riflemen shoot             their cartridge
boxes empty. The British troops will push the Americans off the battle field at
the point of the bayonet
         The Americans will counter attack , only to be pushed away a second
time.

         Native American forces will overcome an American cannon crew  allowing
British commanders to turn the American             left , a key point in the
battle . Native American forces of both sides will attack infantry along flanks
and withdraw         into woodlines.
         The battle is designed to allow the reenacter to be entertained in his
involvement and not just designed for public             viewing.
         The battle field is very exciting about 1/4 mile square for us to play
on. the entire property is about 4200ftx 4200 ft, for         parking traders
and bleachers.
         CHUCK KIBBY 231 352 -4943 OR law@... for questions and
registration.
         DAVE GAUNT  231 536 -2748 OR dsg@... for merchant and trade fair
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Has anyone on this list ever had dealings with the gunmakers at
Auguste Francotte et Cie in Liege, Belgium? Or with any of their
representatives or dealers on this side?

Maxine Trottier
maxitrot@...
http://www.execulink.com/~maxitrot/maxine.htm

In a message dated 5/9/2000 3:40:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
maxitrot@... writes:

<< That is interesting. Do you use plain paper for your cartridges? Some of
our guys use reproductions of period newspapers. I have run off paper for
Bill with thousands of Vive Le Roi! in script running across it. Looks neat
scattered all over the field. >>

Officially manufactured British cartridges came in plain paper of two colours
white for live rounds and blue for blanks (practice, firing parties, etc.).

Cheers

Tim

In a message dated 5/9/2000 11:15:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
lheidebrecht@... writes:

<<  Max,
  Generally a fairly heavy brown almost construction paper was used, but
frankly, that is REALLY tough on the teeth. A good, unprinted newsprint seems
best.
  Len >>

Or then of course one could also use cartridge paper instead (now why would
they call it that I wonder :-)).

Cheers

Tim

In a message dated 5/10/2000 5:10:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
viking04@... writes:

<< > Quartermaster Sgt. " No bullets till yew have the proper authorization"

  Best said with a Welsh accent? *G* >>

Or perhaps a 'Warwickshire' accent? :-)

Cheers

Tim

BritcomHMP@... wrote:
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> In a message dated 5/10/2000 5:10:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
> viking04@... writes:
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> << > Quartermaster Sgt. " No bullets till yew have the proper authorization"
>
>  Best said with a Welsh accent? *G* >>
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> Or perhaps a 'Warwickshire' accent? :-)

Apologies for the nit which you had to pick, Your Grace. *G*

Dave

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square miles...

Greetings to all!

I just arrived back from Europe last night and while on my pilgrimage to Rome
I visited the basilica of Santa Croche in Gerusalem where my mind connected a
few dots that I thought might be of interest.

The relics stored there in what was once the house of the mother of the
Emperor Constantine were brought back from Jerusalem by that lady in person.
They include sections of the true cross (she brought back all of it) one of
the nails and part of the crown of thorns.

Having the Emperor for a son she was able to have these items set in large
elaborate solid gold reliquaries. When she died her house became a church
(which it still is) and everything remained as it was until 1798.

In that year a young and ambitious general called Buonaparte was conquering
all before him and having captured most of Italy was looking for ways to pay
his troops. The reliquaries were ideal so he stole them (leaving the
contents) and melted them down the rest is history.

The relevance of all this strikes you if you remember that Napoleon died in
exile and misery on a dreary island in the South Atlantic, and if you also
happen to know the name of the mother of the Emperor Constantine, who was
acknowledged as a Saint by the Church.

She was called Helena!

Cheers

Tim

'Saint Helena, little island'  Napoleone Buoneaparte as a cadet at Brienne

Tim Pickles wrote:

I just arrived back from Europe ... where my mind connected a
few dots that I thought might be of interest.

Andrew writes:

Fascinating stuff!  Sounds like good material for an episode of
"Connections". (I love that show...)


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Dearest list,

While this does not relate to our period in particular I have a question
who somebody on this list, in their expertise, may be able to answer.

I have had in my possession for sometime a sword and while I knew it was
pre-WWI German I couldn't get any closer than that.

Based on research that I have just completed it turns out it is a M1889
German Officer's Dress Sword made by WKC Solingen. It is in GOOD to VERY
GOOD condition with all original parts, paint and finish. The only damage
is a broken leather finger loop and some minor denting to the steel
scabbard. I have taken a guess at the approximate value based on similar
swords from that time period but I am wondering if anyone has a more
accurate idea than just a guess... even an educated guess would help.

Thanks

Séan

Greetings from England. Having followed
the request for suitable pistols for use in
the 1812 period, I suggest you try these
people :
Edward J. Blackley & Son, Heath House,
46 to 50 Yarmouth Road, Broome, Bungay,
Suffolk, NR35 2PE, ENGLAND.
My phone number for them is out of date so
you'll have to go through Director of Enquiries.
Blackley's make the following :
Heavy Dragoon Pistol (Museum Quality) dated
on lock, " Farmer 1744 ". This is a right stomper !
Great for hitting Jocks or French on the head with.
Queen Anne Pistol, based on original by G. Gill of
Richmond, C1750.
However, the one which should interest most, is the
Sea Service Pistol, dated 1810. This comes complete
with Slider for fixing to your belt. This Tower pistol
looks great. Hope I've been of some help, Keith R.


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In a message dated 5/11/2000 3:10:48 PM Central Daylight Time,
kraynor@... writes:

<< However, the one which should interest most, is the
  Sea Service Pistol, dated 1810. This comes complete
  with Slider for fixing to your belt. This Tower pistol
  looks great. Hope I've been of some help, Keith R. >>

Dear Keith,
Are there any of the Japanese copies of the 1796 light Cav pistol about? It
was the only one you could get in the late 70s and was not half bad if worked
on. I still have mine but these would be ideal. The Sea Service is actually a
bit long and the butt-plate is a different shape, of course if someone did
the heavy cavalry version that would be an easy conversion.

Cheers

Tim

In a message dated 5/11/00 12:07:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
BritcomHMP@... writes:

> The reliquaries were ideal so he stole them (leaving the
>  contents) and melted them down the rest is history.
>
So when does Sharpe come along and rescue the contents and give them to
the Pope!  ;-)

Ed Seufert, LCpl
1812 Royal Marines

The Ton....was it still a term used in England at this time?

Max
Maxine Trottier
maxitrot@...
http://www.execulink.com/~maxitrot/maxine.htm

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>From: "MAXINE TROTTIER" <maxitrot@...>


> The Ton....was it still a term used in England at this time?

Yes -

anne

In a message dated 11/5/2000 9:07:45 AM, BritcomHMP@... writes:

<< The relics stored there in what was once the house of the mother of the
Emperor Constantine were brought back from Jerusalem by that lady in person.
They include sections of the true cross (she brought back all of it) one of
the nails and part of the crown of thorns. >>

Of course, the beginning of the story shows what goes round comes round...
all that stuff she handily found 300 years after the fact was sold to her by
a local merchant....I think his name was Arturo Wellesopoulous or some
such....

(ok ok.... that very last bit I made completely up!)
;-)

B




93rd SHRoFLHU
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>From: HQ93rd@...

> Of course, the beginning of the story shows what goes round comes round...
> all that stuff she handily found 300 years after the fact was sold to her by
> a local merchant....I think his name was Arturo Wellesopoulous or some
> such....

The Greek branch of a not so well known Irish family as I understand.

Anne

Dear Maxine
The term "The Ton" was indeed used during the period 1809 - 1815 as I have
seen it numerous times in references to the latest styles of fashion as
published by Ackermann in his "Repository" publication.

e.g
March 1809, Fashions for Gentlemen "... the leaders of the haut ton have
resolved to revive the fashion of wearing leather breeches and boots..."

June 1809, Fashions for Gentlemen "...It is now the haut ton to wear the
collar of the coat very high behind worked round to stand off, and cut very
low in front..."

February 1810, Fashions for Gentlemen, "... the leaders of the haut ton
appear at the Opera in great coats lined with Russia lamb-skin, with cuffs,
collar, and lappels of the same, and loops in front; made after the Polish
fashion and lined throughout with silk serge..."

September 1811, Fashions for Ladies (shoes), "...Rodwell's brass military
heel and copper fastenings are quite the ton; as is the gold and jet clasp
to the regent slipper..."

March 1812, Fashions for Ladies, "...the full dress given in this number, is
not at all a fair specimin of haute-ton; it should be very much lower, and
more square in the front... so that the whole of the bust, shoulders, and
arms may be completely exposed: we could not overcome the modest objections
of the artist to representing the figure in the extreme of fashion..."

etc.

Regards Richard Feltoe

> So when does Sharpe come along and rescue the contents and give them to
> the Pope!  ;-)
>
> Ed Seufert, LCpl
> 1812 Royal Marines

Andrew writes:

I was hoping to leave Sharpe out of the discussion for once. :-)  In my
previous post I almost said something about "Sharpe's Devil" when he arrived
just too late to get Nap off of St. Helena but thought better of it... It's
spooky how we're all on the same wavelength - maybe we should change the
name of the List to "Sharpe Mockers Anonymous"...

Pte. Andrew Bateman, 1/41st Reg't

Max,
As in 'all the ton' or are you talking about a tun, a large staved container for
brewing ale? Or is it the measure of weight?
Len
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>The Ton....was it still a term used in England at this time?
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In a message dated 11/5/2000 6:56:44 PM, awoodley@... writes:

<< >From: HQ93rd@...

> Of course, the beginning of the story shows what goes round comes round...
> all that stuff she handily found 300 years after the fact was sold to her by
> a local merchant....I think his name was Arturo Wellesopoulous or some
> such....

The Greek branch of a not so well known Irish family as I understand.
  >>

Well actually, the Greek branch of a well known *Britonic* family living in
Ireland.

"Being born in a stable does not make one a horse..." as Mr. Wellesopoulous
was wont to say. Or was that, "Being born in a manger does not make one a
Beth"...?

B
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Interesting "E", nes pas ?!?!

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GENERAL REGULATIONS AND ORDERS FOR THE ARMY, 1811

Statement of the Annual Proportions of Ammunition allowed for the
Exercise and Practice of Regiments of Infantry, Millitia, and Rifle Corps.
___________________________________________________

Infantry and Militia Regiments of Light Infantry
_____________________________________________________

Spring Allowance, due 25th March

20 Rounds of  Ball Cartidges
30 Rounds of  Ball Cartridges

40 Rounds of Blank Cartridges
40 Rounds  of Blank Cartridges
2 Flints
2 Flints
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Autumn Allowance, due 29th September

10 Rounds of Ball Cartridges
20 Rounds of Ball Cartridges
20 Rounds of Blank Cartridges
20 Rounds of Blank Cartidges
1 Flint
1 Flint
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Rifle Corps

Sixty Rounds of Ball-Cartridges and Three Flints per Man,
of which Proportion Two-thirds are issued in the Spring,
and the remainder in the Autumn.

N.B. It is usual to issue Materials to Rifle Corps for making up the
Ball-Cartridges; and to Regiments of the Line and Militia for making up
their Blank Cartridges.
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