Greetings all!

I have a quick question for some research I am doing--what was the composition
of the Regular US army before war was declared in June 1812?  I am interested in
numbers of Infantry/Artillery/Rifle regiments.  I know there were a total of 48
Infantry regiments by the end of the war, so when were the additional units
added? Thanks so much!

Best Regards,
Travis Bennett
23rd US Infantry

I put together a short compilation of my footage from Saturday night's assault:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC7lenJKscY

Thanks to everyone for a great event!

Regards,
Travis

I found this article in todays Hamilton Spectator. I was unaware that John
Nortons home even existed and is now on private property in Pelham and is in
danger of being demolished. Lets hope the money can be found to save it.
http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/782063--fate-of-historic-building-hing\
es-on-funding

David

Martin,
I don't disagree on what you said, the current camp rule "I think" (from past
practice) is that if no one is in camp, kill the fire. It's not about a fire
watch, it's about everyone (EVERYONE) following the existing rules.Make sure the
candle lanterns are "blown-out" and no wood lanterns since they seem to ignite
so easily. That's what the cause of this current fire was! (Not a camp fire)

Yes I have seen & heard about quite a few "camp fires" and blazing tent fires,
all because of HUMAN disregard of the rules. We live in a "safe" society these
days, we just need to remember how to live (also) in a 18th/19th Century Society
in regards to "daily living"

I have walked around in the past and seen open wedges with a (open) candle in a
candlesticks/chamber candlestick lit with no occupant in the wedge tent.
So I gave an "alarm" to the nearest camp folks and it was extinguished (blown
out)
The owner came by and apologized about his disregard of the rules.

James Brown C.L.M.


________________________________

We are still doing some homework on the provenance of the building.
It is not in danger of being demolished.   It is in danger of slowly
disappearing.



--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "dianagrantlee" <dianagrantlee@...> wrote... I
was unaware that John Nortons home even existed...

It's too bad that the militia units, Oxford and Norfolk are not recognized.
 
Jon Bowman

From: Titus Quartinius Saturnalus <royals1@...>
To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 2:46:32 PM
Subject: 1812 New battle honour for Canadian Units


 
I just received this. Apparently all of those letters to Defence Minister MacKay
are getting results. Awesome!!

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-government-of-canada-honours-canadian-army-\
regiments-for-the-victory-at-the-battle-of-detroit-2012-08-15

Tom Ross




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Travis - I should have read the second part of your question! Infantry regiments
numbered 8 through 17, 2d and 3d Arty and the 2d Light Dragoons were added in
Jan 1812 and infantry regiments 18 through 26 were added at the end of June
1812. I've seen some period references to the newly added 1812  regiments being
called the additional army. Fredericksen's book ccovers the dates all 40 plus
units were authorized [ which unfortunately I don't have in front of me right
now!]
Tom Dunbar

--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "sabre1183" <sabre1183@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings all!
>
> I have a quick question for some research I am doing--what was the composition
of the Regular US army before war was declared in June 1812?  I am interested in
numbers of Infantry/Artillery/Rifle regiments.  I know there were a total of 48
Infantry regiments by the end of the war, so when were the additional units
added? Thanks so much!
>
> Best Regards,
> Travis Bennett
> 23rd US Infantry
>

I thought I had posted the answer to the first part of your question, but I
guess I didn't hit "Send"!
In 1808 the armty was increased so that there were one artillery regiment, one
regiment of light dragoons, one rifle regiment and infantry regiments numbered
1-7.

--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "sabre1183" <sabre1183@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings all!
>
> I have a quick question for some research I am doing--what was the composition
of the Regular US army before war was declared in June 1812?  I am interested in
numbers of Infantry/Artillery/Rifle regiments.  I know there were a total of 48
Infantry regiments by the end of the war, so when were the additional units
added? Thanks so much!
>
> Best Regards,
> Travis Bennett
> 23rd US Infantry
>

Hi Jon
They were, sort of...
The Artillery in the British tradition do not have battle honours but one -
Ubique.  The traditions of the Norfolk Militia are carried on by little 69
Battery 56 Field Regiment Royal Canadian Artillery (a small unit with a
significant number of Afghan veterans in the ranks) in Simcoe, Ontario.
They do not have Colours in the form of flags but they can honour their
ancestors with the distinctions of Detroit, (Miami and Niagara to follow).
One Bombardier has already suggested painting them on their guns and mortars but
I don't think the Regular army will be amused.
It's sister Battery, the 10th in St Catharines, had members in Afghanistan and
met members of the Royal Artillery's 52nd Niagara Battery.  They wanted to know
why British guys had a Niagara Battery but Niagara guys didn't.   So, without
asking they adopted part of the 52nd's crest and added their own Canadian touch;
and no, not a beer bottle and a toque.
Of course this has caused great debate and only the kind you can find in Canada.
Those who don't agree will point out that the Royal Newfoundland Regiment of
1812 has nothing to do with the Royal Newfoundland Regiment of 2012 because of
the United Province of Canada 1855 militia act following the Union Act of 1840,
when all time began, and of course Newfoundland wasn't part of Confederation
until 1949.  The Lincoln and Welland Regiment of 2012 should have no connection
to the Lincoln Militia of 1812 for the same reason.  Makes perfect sense, in
Canada.
To Americans: please don't ask Canadians the temperature or when Canada became
Canada; unless you're having trouble sleeping.

This week marks the 70th of the Dieppe Raid.  We shall remember them.
Jim

--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, The Artifact <theartifact@...> wrote:
>
> It's too bad that the militia u
nits, Oxford and Norfolk are not recognized.
>  
> Jon Bowman
>
> From: Titus Quartinius Saturnalus <royals1@...>
> To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 2:46:32 PM
> Subject: 1812 New battle honour for Canadian Units
>
>
>  
> I just received this. Apparently all of those letters to Defence Minister
MacKay are getting results. Awesome!!
>
>
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-government-of-canada-honours-canadian-army-\
regiments-for-the-victory-at-the-battle-of-detroit-2012-08-15
>
> Tom Ross
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

How does the Queen's York Rangers get the battle Honour? I cannot see a direct
lineage with an 1812 unit.
Len

Hello All,

I visited the Canadian National Exhibition in Toronto for opening day yesterday
and wandering through the Direct Energy Building came across the 1812/Ft
York/Canadian Military Heritage display.

Generally it was quite nicely set up; good display of a green jacketed Canadian
militia soldier( a Peter Twist display?), models of the two 1812 toy soldier
statuary presently shown on out List, a kids play area, info booth with
volunteers hiding behind a desk not contacting the visitors (please someone say
they're volunteers and not getting paid,)and a Malabar costume promently
displayed in the hall, set up in a manner to have people pose with it for
photos. Malabar is a costume house in Toronto and is known for it's aversion to
natural fabrics or historical accuracy.

I noticed the costume the first time I zipped through the hall, rather like how
you notice someone in a beard wearing 1812 kit; completely eyecathing in it's
inappropriateness. The second time through, it's a high traffic area, a person
was straightening the plastic shako when I stopped to ask what the manequin
represented. "It's an 1812 uniform,"  replied the attendant in certain terms.
"No, it's not," says I rather loudly before I can stop myself. My family and
friends at this point disappear quickly. I think I heard the phrase, "Oh, Jeez."
The attendant went on,"Oh it's a just a costume from Malabar (see, I told
you.-Len) None of this stuff here is real," and she waved her hand vaguely at
the other items. Hearing this I commented, perhaps a bit tensly,"But this is
Toronto history. This is an 1812 exhibit." She then clicked her tongue and gave
a little shrug, turning away from me. At this point with my head threatening to
spin off my neck, I decided this discussion would soon escellate out of control
I stormed from the hall, to be ambushed by family and friends who steared me
into pub just around the corner.

My assessment of the historical display? I recommend the pub, there are some
very nice craft brews being sold at reasonable rates. Oh and pleasewrite your
comments in their little book, I wasn't allowed near it.

Cheers,

Len

A big HI 5 on that critic Len!

Sue Too

Read the article on perpetuation cited in the original article (paying attention
to the criteria wording):
  http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/news-nouvelles/news-nouvelles-eng.asp?id=4346


then read the Wiki article on the Queen's York Rangers:
  http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen%27s_York_Rangers#section_1



--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "lenthecooper" <lheidebrecht@...> wrote:
>
> How does the Queen's York Rangers get the battle Honour? I cannot see a direct
lineage with an 1812 unit.
> Len
>

Earlier this year, I found an obscure, 80 year old reference to the fact that
the Masonic Hall in Brighton, Ontario had a portrait of their founder, Captain
Richard Bullock of the 41st Regiment, hanging in their hall as well as his son,
the next Master of the Lodge, which would eventually become Lodge #29.  The son
was not Richard Bullock Jr. unfortunately, but his half brother.  Through
several phone calls I was able to contact Master Bert Shutler and he did inform
me that yes, they still have the portrait of Captain Bullock in his 41st
Regiment uniform.  He scanned the portrait and e-mailed me the same and then he
also colorized the portrait and sent me that as well.  This will be featured in
my upcoming book on the 41st Regiment.

Through my 2 trips to the British National Archives in Kew, England, I have come
to the belief that Richard Bullock did indeed also rise through the ranks at the
same time as Adam Muir.  The muster lists from prior to 1798 are very scant as
well as in terrible shape.  But I did find an April to September, 1792 pay list
in which there was a Sgt. Richard Bullock that was absent and he was in Virginia
(I assume County Cavan, Ireland).  Richard Bullock was appointed Ensign
September 8, 1795, about 2 years after Muir.

I have other finds of portraits of the officers who served with the 41st
Regiment in Canada, but since this is "out there" I thought I would let anybody
interested know of it's existence on the net.

Here is a link to see the colorized portrait of Captain Richard Bullock Sr.

http://www.princeedwardmasons.ca/district-news/2012/6/5/united-lodge-no-29-re-in\
stalls-w-bro-bert-shutler-for-second.html

On-Gwe-Ho-Way would like to thank Dave and all the people that organized the
Nancy Island event this weekend.
The battles were fun and the rain almost held off until the end. It was
great to see the suttlers and all the other folks again on the Island.
Look forward to seeing you at the next event.
Checomick (Chris)
  
Baa Maa Pii
Checomick
On-Gwe-Ho-Way Native Reenators
Ontario, Canada
www.native-reenactors.ca

Everything on earth has a purpose every disease a herb to cure it, and every
person a mission. This is the First People’s theory of existence.

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AND of course the Regiment of Light Artillery [ Idon't want anyone rolling
cannonballs at me!]  Tom Dunbar

--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "awhitelion2000" <awhitelion2000@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I thought I had posted the answer to the first part of your question, but I
guess I didn't hit "Send"!
> In 1808 the armty was increased so that there were one artillery regiment, one
regiment of light dragoons, one rifle regiment and infantry regiments numbered
1-7.
>
> --- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "sabre1183" <sabre1183@> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings all!
> >
> > I have a quick question for some research I am doing--what was the
composition of the Regular US army before war was declared in June 1812?  I am
interested in numbers of Infantry/Artillery/Rifle regiments.  I know there were
a total of 48 Infantry regiments by the end of the war, so when were the
additional units added? Thanks so much!
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Travis Bennett
> > 23rd US Infantry
> >
>

Me again. This time looking for a ride from Brampton to Gananoque (Aug 24 2012)
and back. Have Friday off work.

I don't know if these frequent posts bother any one, but they got me a ride to
Wasaga last weekend.

YHOS,
Jason Everett
Incorporated Militia of UC

Just a reminder that the 199th Anniversary Massacre at Fort Mims
Reenactment is this weekend in Tensaw, AL. For more info, see:
http://fortmims.org/ <http://fortmims.org/>
Charles Misulia


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Dear List --

Many of you will remember potter Christina (Chris) Bell, who
participated in a number of events throughout Ontario over the past
several years. Unbeknownst to most of us, she had been bravely
battling cancer throughout that time. I am very sorry to have to
report that she lost that battle and passed away on Monday.  She was
69.

I will miss her in camp -- her ready smile and warm greeting made her
instant friends with everyone she met.  Her thirst for knowledge on
all things historical seemed unquenchable, and she loved to dabble in
anything creative.  She had recently taken up glass blowing and bead
making.  She was very generous with her time and her knowledge. I had
not realized that she was a founding member of the Hamilton and
District Potters Guild.

She is survived by her husband Ron, who she clearly adored, as well as
four children and many grandchildren. If you would like to send
condolences, her email is sutherlandpottery@....

A remembrance visitation will be held on Friday, September 7th, from 2
to 4 pm in the church hall of Caledonia Presbyterian Church,
Caledonia, Ontario.  The family has asked that in lieu of flowers,
donations be made to the West Haldimand Hospital and Healthcare
Foundation.

In sadness,
-- Sioux

Hello list,

The grenadier company of the 1st Royal Scots attended the ceremonies for the
200th Anniversary of the Constitution's victory over HMS Guerriere last weekend.
We were treated very nicely by the host unit the 1812 U.S. Marines stationed in
Charlestown, MA, right at the Boston Navy Yard.

The ship was beautiful! We had it for a time, but alas we had to give it back.

On the British side we were joined by the Royal Marines from the Chesapeake Bay
area, Ed Seufert and crew, and a few of the Royal Newfoundland Regiment, led by
Rick Peterson. Great fun was had by all.

Many of us took time before heading to the site to reconnoiter the many sites
within the city of Boston itself, including many great eating and drinking
establishments.

Thank you to our hosts for a very nice weekend.

Cheers.

Dave Westhouse, Captain
Grenadier Company, Royal Scots.

Some pictures from the event can be viewed on the Scots image page at;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10853792@N08/sets/72157631184965064/

Did anyone snap any photos of the ships Dave?

Thanks,

Matt Lanteigne

We took a few of the Constitution. We did not get aboard her for the sail. The
U.S. Marines were aboard her for that.
Dave.


--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, Matt Lanteigne <matt_lanteigne@...> wrote:
>
> Did anyone snap any photos of the ships Dave?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt Lanteigne
>

Matt,

Some pictures of the ship/event can be found at our page:

http://www.facebook.com/1812RoyalMarines?ref=hl#!/media/set/?set=a.4540420213071\
20.111579.124873764223949&type=1

Cheers,

Ed Seufert, Cpl
1812 Royal Marines
www.facebook.com\1812RoyalMarines
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To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: 1812 Boston report


> Did anyone snap any photos of the ships Dave?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt Lanteigne
>
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Does anyone know of any actors or reenactors that portray Isaac Brock?  I
photographer that has been photographing reenactors for a new book due out this
fall has asked me if I know anyone who plays the part and I had to tell hime
that I did not.

Cheers!
Mike Jansen
2nd Lincoln Militia

Hi, Mike --

You can direct them to Scott Finlay at Fort George (who will be playing Brock at
Queenston), or to Peter Twist.

-- Sioux

Awesome! Thanks for sharing the pics.

Matt

We regret that we were unable to get you aboard for the turn around.  Cmdr.
Bonner, the ship's captain was not the one who gave the order.  It came from
Naval System's Command under whose authority Constitution became as she was
going to be under sail.  On board as part of the Commemoration was the Counsul
General of Great Britain and I personally pointed out your presence to him as we
were  departing.
 
While it is not up to me to pass on any official word but myself and my fellow
Marines gives our thanks and appreciation to our worthy adversarys of the past
and to our staunch allies of the present. 
 
Bob White, Pvt. 1812 Marine Guard, Gun Captain, Captain's Orderly

From: westhouse03 <westhouse@...>
To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: 1812 Boston report


 
We took a few of the Constitution. We did not get aboard her for the sail. The
U.S. Marines were aboard her for that.
Dave.

--- In mailto:WarOf1812%40yahoogroups.com, Matt Lanteigne <matt_lanteigne@...>
wrote:
>
> Did anyone snap any photos of the ships Dave?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt Lanteigne
>




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Paul,Carolyn ,Sharon,Jan Gravelle et al


What a thrill to operate a gun battery with an original 24 pdr. and fire it
repeatedly in a re-enactment along with my own gun plus the two new 6 pdrs as
well.

Your event was terrific and fun---weather was great, meals were excellent ant
the volunteers were great. I have never had so many people stop me on Sat night
after the battle (before I fell down ) and all day Sunday complimenting us on
the firing display and great cannon sounds  with no complaints either.

The 1812 ST. Lawrence Alliance  with Jan Bonhomme and Alicia's hard work was/is
noticed and appreciated also.

It -in my books was a rousing sucess---thank you for all the effort you put into
it. Twas a hard row getting there I'm sure but well worth it. You are most
welcome to be our guests at Crysler's next year.
Hussah to Gananoque

Bob Irvine
Royal Navy Gun crew

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CLASH OF POWERS IN FRONTIER AMERICA
                     A Walk Back In Time – Rain or Shine

       MONROE, Michigan.— Saturday September 1st and Sunday September 2nd

from 1 p.m. to 7 p.m. – Journey back in time at River Raisin National

Battlefield Park and encounter costumed performances that bring alive the

events leading up to the Battles of the River Raisin and the shaping of the

nations of North America.  This epic event relives Native American life

before French settlement, fur trading, the melding of cultures, the birth

of Tecumseh's Confederation, Dolley Madison's views on the War efforts, the

invasion of Canada, divided loyalties, the freeing of Frenchtown, bravery

and consequences through the eyes of a 14 Year-old Midshipman, the capture

of Winchester, a French mother's defense of family, a national calamity,

Winchester's rebuttal to Harrison's accusations and the molding of an

infamous military leader – young George Custer!     Altogether, 14

performances will captivate the imagination of viewers of all ages!


       Performances will be held at River Raisin National Battlefield Park

located at 1403 E. Elm Avenue in Monroe, Michigan.  If it rains, the

performances will be held inside the Monroe Multi-Sports Complex located on

Dixie Highway between Elm Avenue and Noble.  The Clash of Powers in

Frontier America – A Walk Back in Time has been made possible by a grant

from the National Park Foundation through the generous support of the

Coca-Cola Foundation, L.L. Bean, Disney, The Anschultz Foundation and the

Ahmanson Foundation.  The Event has also been made possible through

contributions by the Monroe Community Players, Monroe War of 1812

Bicentennial Committee, Monroe County Intermediate School District, Monroe

County Historical Museum, Friends of the River Raisin Battlefield, City of

Monroe, Boy Scouts of America, the Monroe Tourism Bureau, the Monroe County

Historical Society and By Design Graphic Arts and Marketing!


       Authorized in 2009 and established in October of 2010 as America's

Newest National Battlefield Park, River Raisin National Battlefield Park

remembers, commemorates, preserves and interprets the January 1813 battles

of the War of 1812 and their aftermath.  Although American forces were

victorious in the first battle, the second ended in the most disastrous

defeat for the U.S. during the war; a devastating loss that included mass

killing of the wounded.  One of the most historically significant events to

emerge from the battles was the cry, "Remember the Raisin!" which persuaded

forces to fight successfully at the Battle of the Thames later that year.

The American victory at the Battle of the Thames sealed the War of 1812 in

the western theater for the Americans; however, it claimed the life of the

great Shawnee leader, Chief Tecumseh.   -NPS-


For Release: August 28, 2012
Contact:    Scott J. Bentley, Superintendent or
             Daniel D. Downing, Chief of Interpretation, Education &
       Operations
Phone:      (734)243-7136

Hi Everyone,



Just a reminder that the Festival at Fort Willow will be taking place on
Friday, September 14th and Saturday September 15th at Fort Willow Depot
Historic Site located just outside Barrie, ON near Minesing, ON.  To date we
have over 1200 students booked for the Friday Education Day and Saturday is
our regular public attendance day with great attendance if the weather is
cooperative.  Re-enactors can start to set-up anytime on Thursday, September
13th after 12:00pm.



Short description of planned activities:



On Friday, Sept 14th & Saturday, Sept 15th, 2012 the Township of Springwater
and the Nottawasaga Conservation Authority will once again be celebrating
the significance of the Historic Fort Willow Depot by retracing the steps of
our forefathers/mothers in the development of our communities and to the
history of Canada.

The Nine Mile Portage, an ancient native trail, once formed a land bridge
between Kempenfelt Bay and the Nottawasaga River enabling a continuous trade
and transportation route from Lake Ontario through to Georgian Bay for many
centuries. During the War of 1812, the British military improved the route
for the transport of supplies and personnel as Lake Erie and Huron were
occupied by the Americans. Following the War, the route remained active and,
what was known as "the portage landing", grew into the community we know as
Barrie.  Today, you can follow the portage route by starting at Heritage
Park in downtown Barrie to its terminus at the reconstructed British supply
depot, Fort Willow, located in Springwater Township.

Billed as the largest nineteenth century pleasure faire in Simcoe County,
this heritage extravaganza boasts authentic, hands-on activities and
entertainment sure to please every generation. Exceptional musicians, period
uniforms and clothing, foods, beverages, workshops, and story-telling,
combined with cannon/musket demonstrations, military encampments, a
voyageur/native area, sutlers and merchants make this an exemplary heritage
opportunity, not to be missed!



If anyone is interested in attending this great event and for more
information please contact me via email at davidbrunelle(at)rogers.com



David  J. Brunelle, OCT

Project Director

Southern Georgian Bay

War of  1812 Bicentennial Committee

705-716-7124

www.1812bicentennial.com

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