Some pictures can be found on our website at:  www.fortyfirst.org

Tom

Love the Mad Dog pics!


--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "tom4141fournier" <tom4141fournier@...> wrote:
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> Some pictures can be found on our website at:  www.fortyfirst.org
>
> Tom
>

He is our special treasure!

--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "a10rca" <jhill@...> wrote:
>
> Love the Mad Dog pics!
>
>
> --- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "tom4141fournier" <tom4141fournier@> wrote:
> >
> > Some pictures can be found on our website at:  www.fortyfirst.org
> >
> > Tom
> >
>

I am posting for a friend- so if you are interested, please email him.
Two fowlers for sale and both were made by Jack Brown.

1. 39" barrel smoothbore poor-boy style, Carolina shaped flintlock. Has iron
furniture, cannon-shaped muzzle with ornamental turning at muzzle, Large Siler
lock, no buttplate but is very light at only 7lbs. Maple stock with hand-rubbed
oil finish. Asking $530 + shipping. Nice gun for lower class impressions.

2. 46" barrel smoothbore Virginia fowler. Maple stock stained dark brown and
hand-rubbed with oil, brass furniture, Large Queen Anne lock, wooden rammer,
sliding & latching wooden patchbox. Asking $725 + shipping.

Images are available of both. Please email Jim at anteekguy97 at aol.com for
details and pics. OR he would trade for a Brown Bess musket.

Thanks,
Jon K.

Check it out:

http://www.chesapeakemill.co.uk/history.html


Jim Yaworsky

Morning Group,

    I'm a new recruiting sergeant for the Norfolk militia of Upper Canada
Friday is my first attempt as a recruiting sergeant in Stoney Creek,

And my first ever on education day to greet 1200 students, and I'm getting very
nervous

I need to know from you knowledgeable historians'

recruiting sergeant salary in 1812
new recruit salary
How long is a man recruit before he becomes a soldier
is the musket included, when he joins ?

If any of you can answer me this I'll be well on my way

thank you

  I remain, sir, your most obedient servant

Recruiting Sergeant; Normand Paul

WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com writes:
>recruiting sergeant salary in 1812
>new recruit salary

You might want to do a best guess as to what these numbers mean in "today"
dollars.

I'm curious myself...


f

Hello Normand,

Since every man in Upper Canada between the ages of 16 and 60 had to be enrolled
in the militia, I am assuming that you are talking about recruiting sedentary
militia to volunteer for the flank company of the Norfolk Militia.  This would
not involve the same process as recruiting in the British Isles for Regular Army
recruits.  I suspect that it would be a quite talk by one of influencial local
Norfolk Militia officers, possibly to a young man after Church on Sunday, with a
suggestion that he volunteer for active service with the flank company.  No
sergeant crying the town with a recruiting ribbons, drummers, etc.

On the other hand if you are planning to represent a recruiting sergeant from a
regimental depot in England or Ireland trying to entice young lads to join up,
this is a different matter>

Which is it?  Your answer will dictate what information you need on pay, issue
of uniforms and arms, etc.

Ron Dale




-----Original Message-----
From: npaul43 <nwpaul@...>
To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:52 am
Subject: 1812 Recruiting Sergeant




Morning Group,

I'm a new recruiting sergeant for the Norfolk militia of Upper Canada
Friday is my first attempt as a recruiting sergeant in Stoney Creek,

And my first ever on education day to greet 1200 students, and I'm getting very
nervous

I need to know from you knowledgeable historians'

recruiting sergeant salary in 1812
new recruit salary
How long is a man recruit before he becomes a soldier
is the musket included, when he joins ?

If any of you can answer me this I'll be well on my way

thank you

I remain, sir, your most obedient servant

Recruiting Sergeant; Normand Paul







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Normand:

As far as I am aware a Recruiting Sergeant for the Militia did not exist. I have
not come across such a designation in my reading of primary sources. After
reading some correspondence of the Executive Officer of the 5th Lincoln Militia,
Major Richard Hatt, it is clear that it was his responsibility to call to the
militia muster all the men registered between the ages of 16 and 50 (later 60).

On paper, the men had no choice in the matter. If they were able-bodied, they
were listed as Militia members. This according to the successive Militia Acts of
1793, 1811 with amendments and 1812 with amendments.

Unlike the volunteer army of Britain, the Upper and Lower Canadian Militia units
were by draft. This had its obvious drawbacks, and Hatt was immediately faced
with them in September 1812 when nine local men refused to take the oath to the
King, claiming American citizenship - even though they had lived in Ancaster,
Dundas and Barton (Hamilton) for over a decade. Of course, the British did not
recognize the notion of "citizenship" regarding all inhabitants of Britain and
her colonies as "subjects" of the King.

From Brock's correspondence, and occasional references in private accounts of
the war by British soldiers, it is clear that the Militia were not trusted. The
Militia of 1812 should be sharply distinguished from the Militia units that
emerged in the mid-nineteenth century, which introduced a new system patterned
on that seen in the British Isles.
A useful article introducing the subject is to be found by Frank Jones "The
Militia of Upper Canada: The Formative Years" in Wentworth Bygones 6 (1965), pp.
1-13. This is the Journal of the Head of the Lake Historical Society, and can be
ordered from them - check their website.

1812 Militia records, paylists, muster rolls and some regimental correspondence
can be found in the Library and Archives of Canada. The documents are LAC RG9
1B7, vols. 1-39. These documents are an essential first source of information if
you are serious about historical accuracy in portraying a Militia member within
the Crown Forces.

My two cents' worth

I'll send you my research invoice at a later date :-)

Ray Hobbs

To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
From: nwpaul@...
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:52:40 +0000
Subject: 1812 Recruiting Sergeant




























       Morning Group,



I'm a new recruiting sergeant for the Norfolk militia of Upper Canada

Friday is my first attempt as a recruiting sergeant in Stoney Creek,



And my first ever on education day to greet 1200 students, and I'm getting very
nervous



I need to know from you knowledgeable historians'



recruiting sergeant salary in 1812

new recruit salary

How long is a man recruit before he becomes a soldier

is the musket included, when he joins ?



If any of you can answer me this I'll be well on my way



thank you



I remain, sir, your most obedient servant



Recruiting Sergeant; Normand Paul



















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Thanks a lot Ray,,,

P.S
The Check in the mail,,, wink, wink,,,


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Hobbs" <ray.hobbs@...>
To: <warof1812@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: RE: 1812 Recruiting Sergeant


>
> Normand:
>
> As far as I am aware a Recruiting Sergeant for the Militia did not exist.
> I have not come across such a designation in my reading of primary
> sources. After reading some correspondence of the Executive Officer of the
> 5th Lincoln Militia, Major Richard Hatt, it is clear that it was his
> responsibility to call to the militia muster all the men registered
> between the ages of 16 and 50 (later 60).
>
> On paper, the men had no choice in the matter. If they were able-bodied,
> they were listed as Militia members. This according to the successive
> Militia Acts of 1793, 1811 with amendments and 1812 with amendments.
>
> Unlike the volunteer army of Britain, the Upper and Lower Canadian Militia
> units were by draft. This had its obvious drawbacks, and Hatt was
> immediately faced with them in September 1812 when nine local men refused
> to take the oath to the King, claiming American citizenship - even though
> they had lived in Ancaster, Dundas and Barton (Hamilton) for over a
> decade. Of course, the British did not recognize the notion of
> "citizenship" regarding all inhabitants of Britain and her colonies as
> "subjects" of the King.
>
> From Brock's correspondence, and occasional references in private accounts
> of the war by British soldiers, it is clear that the Militia were not
> trusted. The Militia of 1812 should be sharply distinguished from the
> Militia units that emerged in the mid-nineteenth century, which introduced
> a new system patterned on that seen in the British Isles.
> A useful article introducing the subject is to be found by Frank Jones
> "The Militia of Upper Canada: The Formative Years" in Wentworth Bygones 6
> (1965), pp. 1-13. This is the Journal of the Head of the Lake Historical
> Society, and can be ordered from them - check their website.
>
> 1812 Militia records, paylists, muster rolls and some regimental
> correspondence can be found in the Library and Archives of Canada. The
> documents are LAC RG9 1B7, vols. 1-39. These documents are an essential
> first source of information if you are serious about historical accuracy
> in portraying a Militia member within the Crown Forces.
>
> My two cents' worth
>
> I'll send you my research invoice at a later date :-)
>
> Ray Hobbs
>
> To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
> From: nwpaul@...
> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:52:40 +0000
> Subject: 1812 Recruiting Sergeant
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
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>
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>      Morning Group,
>
>
>
> I'm a new recruiting sergeant for the Norfolk militia of Upper Canada
>
> Friday is my first attempt as a recruiting sergeant in Stoney Creek,
>
>
>
> And my first ever on education day to greet 1200 students, and I'm getting
> very nervous
>
>
>
> I need to know from you knowledgeable historians'
>
>
>
> recruiting sergeant salary in 1812
>
> new recruit salary
>
> How long is a man recruit before he becomes a soldier
>
> is the musket included, when he joins ?
>
>
>
> If any of you can answer me this I'll be well on my way
>
>
>
> thank you
>
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>
> I remain, sir, your most obedient servant
>
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> Recruiting Sergeant; Normand Paul
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>   War of 1812 Living History:
> A wide-ranging information exchange
> for all participants and supporters
>
>
> Unit Contact information for North America:
>   Crown Forces Unit Listing:
>        http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
>   American Forces Unit Listing
>        http://usforces1812.tripod.com
>
> WAR OF 1812 EVENTS LIST:
>   http://royal.scots.tripod.com/warof1812eventslist
> 2010Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Thank you, Ron



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: ronaldjdale@...
   To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 11:43 AM
   Subject: Re: 1812 Recruiting Sergeant




   Hello Normand,

   Since every man in Upper Canada between the ages of 16 and 60 had to be
enrolled in the militia, I am assuming that you are talking about recruiting
sedentary militia to volunteer for the flank company of the Norfolk Militia.
This would not involve the same process as recruiting in the British Isles for
Regular Army recruits. I suspect that it would be a quite talk by one of
influencial local Norfolk Militia officers, possibly to a young man after Church
on Sunday, with a suggestion that he volunteer for active service with the flank
company. No sergeant crying the town with a recruiting ribbons, drummers, etc.

   On the other hand if you are planning to represent a recruiting sergeant from
a regimental depot in England or Ireland trying to entice young lads to join up,
this is a different matter>

   Which is it? Your answer will dictate what information you need on pay, issue
of uniforms and arms, etc.

   Ron Dale

   -----Original Message-----
   From: npaul43 <nwpaul@...>
   To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:52 am
   Subject: 1812 Recruiting Sergeant

   Morning Group,

   I'm a new recruiting sergeant for the Norfolk militia of Upper Canada
   Friday is my first attempt as a recruiting sergeant in Stoney Creek,

   And my first ever on education day to greet 1200 students, and I'm getting
very nervous

   I need to know from you knowledgeable historians'

   recruiting sergeant salary in 1812
   new recruit salary
   How long is a man recruit before he becomes a soldier
   is the musket included, when he joins ?

   If any of you can answer me this I'll be well on my way

   thank you

   I remain, sir, your most obedient servant

   Recruiting Sergeant; Normand Paul

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Norm,
you worry too much, if  the prospective recruit is able bodied, just send him
over
to the Indian Dept.
yrs. happy to help.

--- On Wed, 6/2/10, Norm Paul <nwpaul@...> wrote:


From: Norm Paul <nwpaul@...>
Subject: Re: 1812 Recruiting Sergeant
To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
Received: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 3:42 PM


 



Thank you, Ron

----- Original Message -----
From: ronaldjdale@...
To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: 1812 Recruiting Sergeant

Hello Normand,

Since every man in Upper Canada between the ages of 16 and 60 had to be enrolled
in the militia, I am assuming that you are talking about recruiting sedentary
militia to volunteer for the flank company of the Norfolk Militia. This would
not involve the same process as recruiting in the British Isles for Regular Army
recruits. I suspect that it would be a quite talk by one of influencial local
Norfolk Militia officers, possibly to a young man after Church on Sunday, with a
suggestion that he volunteer for active service with the flank company. No
sergeant crying the town with a recruiting ribbons, drummers, etc.

On the other hand if you are planning to represent a recruiting sergeant from a
regimental depot in England or Ireland trying to entice young lads to join up,
this is a different matter>

Which is it? Your answer will dictate what information you need on pay, issue of
uniforms and arms, etc.

Ron Dale

-----Original Message-----
From: npaul43 <nwpaul@...>
To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:52 am
Subject: 1812 Recruiting Sergeant

Morning Group,

I'm a new recruiting sergeant for the Norfolk militia of Upper Canada
Friday is my first attempt as a recruiting sergeant in Stoney Creek,

And my first ever on education day to greet 1200 students, and I'm getting very
nervous

I need to know from you knowledgeable historians'

recruiting sergeant salary in 1812
new recruit salary
How long is a man recruit before he becomes a soldier
is the musket included, when he joins ?

If any of you can answer me this I'll be well on my way

thank you

I remain, sir, your most obedient servant

Recruiting Sergeant; Normand Paul

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DISPATCH

==============================
TO:

"CROWN FORCES NORTH AMERICA"

Unit Commanders,

Please inform your members

==============================

I am ordered to forward
the following



   L. Lozon  ~ AdC
==============================
----- Original Message -----
From: Victor Suthren




Naval Establishments
Crown Forces North America
General Signal

SCHOOL OF THE SAILOR
Royal Military College of Canada
Kingston, Ontario
11-13 June 2010

Final Roster and Room Allocations

Rooms are located in Fort La Salle residence
Rooms marked with an asterisk(*) are double occupancy

BARUTH, Mary 4088
BELANGER, Ron 4070
BUWALDA, Urb 4067
BOUCHARD, Ken 4050*
CRAIG, Donnie 4089
CARSONS, Norman 4068
COCKBURN, Robert 4069
CUSICK, Kit 4071
CHISAMORE, Gordon 4055*
CROUCH, Simon 4060
COOPER, Michael 4050*
COON, Vernon 4072
DAL PIO, Karen 4052*
DAL PIO, Walter, 4052*
DOCKSTADER, Paul 4073
DIXON, John 4054*
DOBSON, James 4055*
DOWDELL, Ian 4061*
FOX, Frank 4062*
FITTON, Charles LCol 4090
FISHER, Ken 4057*
FISHER-MACLELLAN, Shirley 4091
FAIRHEAD, Vernon (Ship)
HARRISON, Lance 4066
HUNTER, Greg 4074
HOVEY, Glendon 4076
KIDD, Dale 4092
MAY, David 4093
MICHENFELDER, Bryan 4078*
MORE, Sarah 4094
MONK, Barbara 4054*
MATTHEW, John 4061*
MCCOMB, Doug 4057*
NORSWORTHY, Gordon 4095
PATERSON, Scott 4078*
REED, Andre 4059*
RINDLISBACHER, Peter 4096
ROUTERY, Craig 4058*
ROUTERY, Matthew 4058*
STEELE, Fritz 4059*
SIMONYI, Omar 4097
SUTHREN, Scott 4098
SUTHREN, Victor 4099
SCHIFFERDECKER, Patrick 4056*
SOPER, Andrew (Home)
WU, Colin 4100
WILLIAMS, Craig 4062*
WOOTTON, John (Ship)
WOODLEY-HALL, Elizabeth 4101
ZACH, Kevin 4056*

DISPATCH

==============================
TO:

"CROWN FORCES NORTH AMERICA"

Unit Commanders,

Please inform your members

==============================

I am ordered to forward the following

L. Lozon ~ AdC
==============================

----- Original Message -----
From: Victor Suthren


Naval Establishments
Crown Forces North America
General Signal
(With apologies for incomplete last Signal)

SCHOOL OF THE SAILOR
Royal Military College of Canada
Kingston, Ontario
11-13 June 2010

Final Roster and Room Allocations

Rooms are located in Fort La Salle residence
Rooms marked with an asterisk(*) are double occupancy

BARUTH, Mary 4088
BELANGER, Ron 4070
BUWALDA, Urb 4067
BOUCHARD, Ken 4050*
CRAIG, Donnie 4089
CARSONS, Norman 4068
COCKBURN, Robert 4069
CUSICK, Kit 4071
CHISAMORE, Gordon 4055*
CROUCH, Simon 4060
COOPER, Michael 4050*
COON, Vernon 4072
DAL PIO, Karen 4052*
DAL PIO, Walter 4052*
DOCKSTADER, Paul 4073
DIXON, John 4054*
DOBSON, James 4055*
DOWDELL, Ian 4061*
FOX, Frank 4062*
FITTON, Charles LCol 4090
FISHER, Ken 4057*
FISHER-MACLELLAN, Shelley 4091
FAIRHEAD, Vernon (Ship)
HARRISON, Lance 4066
HUNTER, Greg 4074
HOVEY, Glendon 4076
KIDD, Dale 4092
MAY, David 4093
MICHENFELDER, Bryan 4078*
MORE, Sarah 4094
MONK, Barbara 4054*
MATTHEW, John 4061*
MCCOMB, Douglas 4057*
NORSWORTHY, Gordon 4095
PATERSON, Scott 4078*
REED, Andre 4059*
RINDLISBACHER, Peter 4096
ROUTERY, Craig 4058*
ROUTERY, Matthew 4058*
STEELE, Fritz 4059*
SIMONYI, Omar 4097
SUTHREN, Scott 4098
SUTHREN, Victor 4099
SCHIFFERDECKER, Patrick 4056*
SOPER, Andrew (Home)
WU, Colin 4100
WILLIAMS, Craig 4062*
WOOTTON, John (Ship)
WOODLEY-HALL, Elizabeth 4101
ZACH, Kevin 4056*

Individuals staying in double occupancy rooms will receive two keys for that
room. On departure from the rooms Sunday AM you are requested to strip the linen
from the bed and place it in the hampers provided at the end of the hallway.

A Note On Arrival At The College

You will enter the College by road, passing through the Main Gate from Highway
2. Continue to the end of this road (past a large grey temporary building on
your left) until you come to a T-junction. In front of you will be a naval
4.7-inch gun mount on outdoor display. Turn right and continue to the harbour
edge, then turn left and go past an F-86 (Canadair) SABRE jet on a pylon. Down a
small hill ahead of you, you will see stone gates. Pass through those gates, and
on your right will be Fort La Salle. Turn right to park temporarily in front of
it and come inside to register and receive rooms keys.

If roadwork disrupts this route, turn left at the 4.7-inch gun, and follow the
road down to Deadman's Bay. It will curve to the right and bring you past the
Boathouse to a large, cream-coloured 1820s building, HMS "Stone Frigate". Turn
right up the hill at the Stone Frigate and ahead of you will be the Parade
Square, with Fort La Salle on the far side. Drive across in front of the main
College building and turn left to park in front of Fort La Salle.

Late Arrivals

If you are unable to arrive at Fort La Salle during the Registration period of
1400-1700 Friday afternoon 11 June, follow the above instructions to arrive at
Fort La Salle. Park there and locate the single statue of an RMC cadet located
to the north (or your right if you are looking at Fort La Salle, which has the
word "dormitory" chiselled in stone above the door). Walk toward the statue,
leave it to your right, and continue straight ahead to the modern Building 27 on
the Campus Map, the Girouard building. Go up the steps in front of you to the
glass enclosure on the right at the top of the stairs, and the door marked by a
sign that reads "Security Control Centre". Immediately inside is the SCC, where
the Event Roster will be placed and the room keys left. Identify yourself as a
School of the Sailor participant, pick up your keys and return to onload your
vehicle and move in.

On completion of unloading, re-park your vehicle on the lakefront road which
circles Point Frederick (see Campus Map for location marked 2). The "Meet and
Greet" will be taking place at the Senior Staff Mess/Coggins Club, which is
marked 4, commencing at 1900 and going to 2100 (cash bar).

RMC Liaison Officer

Our RMC Liaison Officer is Lieutenant (Navy) Harold Card, who handles special
events for the College. Harold may be reached during the day at (613) 541-6000,
extension 6543.

Flotilla

The Training Flotilla of the schooner "La Revenante", the cutter "Witch of
A'burg", and the whaler "Rolette", will have arrived ahead of most participants.
They will be located at St Lawrence Pier, marked 8 on the campus map.

Final Queries

Should you need to get in touch with me before departing for Kingston, call me
at (613) 269-3609 (land), (613) 204-0356 (cell), or e-mail me at
suthren(at)magma.ca

To honour we call you
Not press you like slaves
For who are so free
As the sons of the waves?

Yours aye

Victor Suthren
Captain(N)

'Commodore pro tem
Naval Establishments
Crown Forces North America'

Project Head
Colonial Sailor Program

GOD SAVE THE KING.
----------------------------------------------

Naval Establishments
Crown Forces North America
General Signal

Confirmation of Rank

In recognition of achievements in naval leadership recently executed on the
waters of Lake Simcoe and attested to by observors and participants, and having
now satisfied in all respects the Rank Requirements of the Naval Establishments,
Crown Forces North America,

Acting Commander Thomas Hurlbut, Esq.
Commanding Officer, Lake Simcoe Station

is as of this date advanced to and confirmed in the rank and privileges of
Commander, Naval Establishments, with seniority of 1 June 2010.

Entered in the Log and Register at Headquarters, Naval Establishments,
Merrickville, U.C. this 3rd day of June, Anno Domini 2010.

Victor Suthren

Commodore pro tem
Naval Establishments
Crown Forces North America

GOD SAVE THE KING.

<snip>



"is as of this date advanced to and confirmed in the rank and privileges of
Commander, Naval Establishments, with seniority of 1 June 2010."






Egad! This means another  new uniform!! My wife will KILL me!

"Commander" Tom













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Just a quick question for the list. Does anyone know if there were ever
black members of the Glengarrys and if so, whether they stayed in the
unit after the formation of Runchey's Corps?

TIA
Ian

Ian



You may already know about Richard Pierpaw/Pierpot/Pierpoint.  He was a black
veteran of the Revlutionary War, kidnapped in Senegal [I think] and for some
time the slave of a British officer.  He served throughtout the Revol. war and
was given land in Upper Canada with other black Loyalists [Oro Township, just
north of Barrie, Ontario].  I believe he was the original proposer of a black
corps but when realized it was named after the white officer.  Pierpoint was a
senior NCO in Runcie's for some time.  Not sure if any other black Rangers
stayed on with that corps through the 1812 war.



Peter Monahan
petemonahan@...
705-435-0953h / 705-792-8895c





> To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
> From: igardner@...
> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:31:15 -0400
> Subject: 1812 Black members of the Glengarrys
>
> Just a quick question for the list. Does anyone know if there were ever
> black members of the Glengarrys and if so, whether they stayed in the
> unit after the formation of Runchey's Corps?
>
> TIA
> Ian
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> War of 1812 Living History:
> A wide-ranging information exchange
> for all participants and supporters
>
>
> Unit Contact information for North America:
> Crown Forces Unit Listing:
> http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
> American Forces Unit Listing
> http://usforces1812.tripod.com
>
> WAR OF 1812 EVENTS LIST:
> http://royal.scots.tripod.com/warof1812eventslist
> 2010Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


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Peter:
All the references I have seen to Pierpoint in the records of Runchy's Corps are
as a Private. I think his age and wisdom made him an unofficial leader in the
eyes of the other members of the Corps.
Ian's question raises an important subject for research - any takers?
Ray

To: warof1812@yahoogroups.com
From: petemonahan@...
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:39:57 +0000
Subject: RE: 1812 Black members of the Glengarrys






























Ian



You may already know about Richard Pierpaw/Pierpot/Pierpoint.  He was a black
veteran of the Revlutionary War, kidnapped in Senegal [I think] and for some
time the slave of a British officer.  He served throughtout the Revol. war and
was given land in Upper Canada with other black Loyalists [Oro Township, just
north of Barrie, Ontario].  I believe he was the original proposer of a black
corps but when realized it was named after the white officer.  Pierpoint was a
senior NCO in Runcie's for some time.  Not sure if any other black Rangers
stayed on with that corps through the 1812 war.



Peter Monahan

petemonahan@...

705-435-0953h / 705-792-8895c



> To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com

> From: igardner@...

> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:31:15 -0400

> Subject: 1812 Black members of the Glengarrys

>

> Just a quick question for the list. Does anyone know if there were ever

> black members of the Glengarrys and if so, whether they stayed in the

> unit after the formation of Runchey's Corps?

>

> TIA

> Ian

>

>

>

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Hi Peter,

I'm just going through the Meylers' book on Pierpoint. After the Battle
of Fort George, they make mention of the body of a black soldier
identified by an American officer as being a Glengarry and postulate
that this may have been a misidentification of unit and that the soldier
may have in fact been from Runchey's.

Ian

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From: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of peter monahan
Sent: June 4, 2010 11:40 AM
To: warof1812@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: 1812 Black members of the Glengarrys



Ian

You may already know about Richard Pierpaw/Pierpot/Pierpoint. He was a
black veteran of the Revlutionary War, kidnapped in Senegal [I think]
and for some time the slave of a British officer. He served throughtout
the Revol. war and was given land in Upper Canada with other black
Loyalists [Oro Township, just north of Barrie, Ontario]. I believe he
was the original proposer of a black corps but when realized it was
named after the white officer. Pierpoint was a senior NCO in Runcie's
for some time. Not sure if any other black Rangers stayed on with that
corps through the 1812 war.

Peter Monahan
petemonahan@... <mailto:petemonahan%40sympatico.ca>
705-435-0953h / 705-792-8895c

> To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com <mailto:WarOf1812%40yahoogroups.com>
> From: igardner@... <mailto:igardner%40rogers.com>
> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:31:15 -0400
> Subject: 1812 Black members of the Glengarrys
>
> Just a quick question for the list. Does anyone know if there were
ever
> black members of the Glengarrys and if so, whether they stayed in the
> unit after the formation of Runchey's Corps?
>
> TIA
> Ian
>




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Interesting.  I didn't even know that blacks could serve outside of all-black
units.  Found this reference to black Glengarrys:
 
http://www.blackhistorycanada.com/events.php?themeid=21&id=5

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From: Ian Gardner <igardner@...>
Subject: RE: 1812 Black members of the Glengarrys
To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 4:10 PM


 



Hi Peter,

I'm just going through the Meylers' book on Pierpoint. After the Battle
of Fort George, they make mention of the body of a black soldier
identified by an American officer as being a Glengarry and postulate
that this may have been a misidentification of unit and that the soldier
may have in fact been from Runchey's.

Ian

-----Original Message-----
From: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of peter monahan
Sent: June 4, 2010 11:40 AM
To: warof1812@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: 1812 Black members of the Glengarrys



Ian

You may already know about Richard Pierpaw/Pierpot/Pierpoint. He was a
black veteran of the Revlutionary War, kidnapped in Senegal [I think]
and for some time the slave of a British officer. He served throughtout
the Revol. war and was given land in Upper Canada with other black
Loyalists [Oro Township, just north of Barrie, Ontario]. I believe he
was the original proposer of a black corps but when realized it was
named after the white officer. Pierpoint was a senior NCO in Runcie's
for some time. Not sure if any other black Rangers stayed on with that
corps through the 1812 war.

Peter Monahan
petemonahan@... <mailto:petemonahan%40sympatico.ca>
705-435-0953h / 705-792-8895c

> To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com <mailto:WarOf1812%40yahoogroups.com>
> From: igardner@... <mailto:igardner%40rogers.com>
> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:31:15 -0400
> Subject: 1812 Black members of the Glengarrys
>
> Just a quick question for the list. Does anyone know if there were
ever
> black members of the Glengarrys and if so, whether they stayed in the
> unit after the formation of Runchey's Corps?
>
> TIA
> Ian
>

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A quick scan through my records, I found one Joseph Fraser. He's described as
5'10 1/2" tall, Complexion - black, Eyes - black, hair - black.

He was born in Johnston Parish, Lower Canada, and was 22 when he enlisted in the
Glens.  Prior to enlisting he was a labourer,

Other descriptions of the men included the following:

Light
Fair
Dark
Fresh
Brown

Hi Bill,

Do you know if any of the Glengarry's casualties at Fort George were
black? Just reconciling the Meyers' account of the black casualty with
GLI records

Ian



-----Original Message-----
From: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of glifencible
Sent: June 4, 2010 4:07 PM
To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: 1812 Black members of the Glengarrys



A quick scan through my records, I found one Joseph Fraser. He's
described as 5'10 1/2" tall, Complexion - black, Eyes - black, hair -
black.

He was born in Johnston Parish, Lower Canada, and was 22 when he
enlisted in the Glens. Prior to enlisting he was a labourer,

Other descriptions of the men included the following:

Light
Fair
Dark
Fresh
Brown



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The following website has all sorts of information & videos of British
ceremonial:
http://pageantry35644.yuku.com/directory

Gives you an insight into "why".

Sue Too

Good evening List!

Weather seemed to be a common topic in the post event discussions last year.  We
can carry on with Stoney Creek 2010.

A booming thunderstorm on Friday night which was followed up by a pounding rain
and then ongoing showers through Saturday night into Sunday morning made for an
interesting weekend.

How nice that the weather cleared in time for reasonably dry canvas for the trek
home.

So many of our reenactor friends are involved in the planning and preparation
for this event.  To our good friends and also the staff and volunteers; thank
you and congratulations!  We all know too well that you cannot control the
weather. In spite of the weather, I personally had a wonderful weekend.

What huge crowds came out in support of all the battles, even the Sunday battle!

All in all a very good weekend! Huzza!

Tom Fournier, Captain
41st Regiment

Hi Everyone,



                 Brian Purdy from the Grimsby Festival at the Forty has been
in contact with me looking for a group or individual War of 1812 re-enactors
to partake in the festival on Saturday, August 14th.  To date they have
booked Leonard Heidebrecht and a dulcimer player and are looking for
soldiers to march down the Main Street to the park and put on a display and
perform drill and musket firing.  They would also like to have a small tent
encampment set-up in the park with camp followers, etc. to talk about
uniforms, 1812 etc. They have a budget of about a $1000.00.

If your group is available please contact Brian directly at:

Cheers,
Brian Purdy
Grimsby Festival at the Forty Committee
  <mailto:brianpurdy@...> brianpurdy@...
(905) 309-5554

Thanks!

David Brunelle














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Congratulation to the organizers of the battle of Stoney Creek.  You  did a
wonderful job.  The Royal Scots, light company, and the U.S. 27th Reg't
enjoyed the scenarios.  It was a pleasure to serve under Mr. Harris and Mr.
Hurlbut again this year.



Mr. Harris, I am pleased to report that Corporal Scott Ball of the 27th who
was caught gambling and fighting with the men while in camp just before the
British attacked on Saturday night, was properly punished and reduced in
rank to private.  However, he somehow won his corporal epaulet back in a
game of poker.



Mark Dickerson

Brevet Capt, US 27th.







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An enormous thank you to everyone who turned out for the Battle of Stoney Creek
this weekend!  You put on a great presentation despite the wet and the mud and
the thunderstorms -- the public was wowed, as were the dignitaries who attended
on Saturday.  When you consider where we were a few short months ago . . . what
a wonderful turnaround!  My personal thanks go to all of you who supported us
throughout the process -- and I hope that you'll agree with me that in the end,
we came out with a product that we can all be proud of -- and that was
tremendously appreciated by everyone who came out to experience it.

There are so many people to thank!  Of course, it is you, the re-enactors who
come out and devote your time and talents to put on a great show, who are the
core of the whole thing -- without you, there wouldn't be an event.  Special
thanks go to those of you who stepped up to help out in so many ways -- the
volunteers on Education Day, the escorts for the dignitaries, the participants
in the pay parade and Sgt. Maj. Monahan for pulling that together, Mrs. Sgt.
Maj. Monahan for managing the Trading Post swap shop, the 1st Lincolns for their
help directing public before the battles and at fireworks time, Jim Hill and Ron
Dale for their commentaries, and everyone who hopped in and lent a hand on so
very many of the details throughout the weekend.  My personal thanks go to
Messrs. Fournier and Hanna for their help in directing traffic during the
move-in process -- you took on a huge load and managed it wonderfully!  I'm sure
that I've forgotten ever so many people here -- please forgive me and put it
down to a lack of sleep and the fact that my feet still feel like they're
wearing my sabots even though I took them off many hours ago!

My personal thanks also to the members of the merchant corps who stepped up and
provided your help and expertise in dealing with people (and buses!) on kids'
day and in so many other ways throughout the weekend.  You took an enormous load
off my shoulders, for which I am very much in your debt.  Thank you.

To the members of the event committee -- once again, I stand in awe of your
dedication and contribution, not only over the course of the weekend, but also
through every step along the long road to bring this event to fruition.  Looking
into your eyes this weekend, I saw both exhaustion and joy -- there's a part of
me that still can't believe that it all came together!  Lisa Barty, Alex
Cuberovic, Rick Peterson, Craig Williams, Lawrence Michor, Wes Ramsay, Ray
Hobbs, Peter Twist -- you are my heroes.  Add in Mike McAllister and Jason Ryan
from the City, Stoney Creek's ultimate "connections guy" Leon Sauers, and of
course, Susan Ramsay, Don Lougheed, Marnie Maslin, Sandy Shichowy, and Daryl
MacTavish from Battlefield House -- you are an amazing group of people and it
has been my privilege to work with you.

As always, feedback on the event would be very much appreciated, as we strive to
make it better for each coming year (especially with 2013 on the immediate
horizon).  Please feel free to forward any thoughts, suggestions, or comments
that you might have to Susan Ramsay, curator of Battlefield House, at
susan.ramsay(at)hamilton.ca (replace (at) with @).

Once again, thank you to you all.

And now, on to Port Dover!  Hope to see you there,
-- Sioux

An enormous thank you to everyone who turned out for the Battle of Stoney Creek
this weekend!  You put on a great presentation despite the wet and the mud and
the thunderstorms -- the public was wowed, as were the dignitaries who attended
on Saturday.  When you consider where we were a few short months ago . . . what
a wonderful turnaround!  My personal thanks go to all of you who supported us
throughout the process -- and I hope that you'll agree with me that in the end,
we came out with a product that we can all be proud of -- and that was
tremendously appreciated by everyone who came out to experience it.

There are so many people to thank!  Of course, it is you, the re-enactors who
come out and devote your time and talents to put on a great show, who are the
core of the whole thing -- without you, there wouldn't be an event.  Special
thanks go to those of you who stepped up to help out in so many ways -- the
volunteers on Education Day, the escorts for the dignitaries, the participants
in the pay parade and Sgt. Maj. Monahan for pulling that together, Mrs. Sgt.
Maj. Monahan for managing the Trading Post swap shop, the 1st Lincolns for their
help directing public before the battles and at fireworks time, Jim Hill and Ron
Dale for their commentaries, and everyone who hopped in and lent a hand on so
very many of the details throughout the weekend.  My personal thanks go to
Messrs. Fournier and Hanna for their help in directing traffic during the
move-in process -- you took on a huge load and managed it wonderfully!  I'm sure
that I've forgotten ever so many people here -- please forgive me and put it
down to a lack of sleep and the fact that my feet still feel like they're
wearing my sabots even though I took them off many hours ago!

My personal thanks also to the members of the merchant corps who stepped up and
provided your help and expertise in dealing with people (and buses!) on kids'
day and in so many other ways throughout the weekend.  You took an enormous load
off my shoulders, for which I am very much in your debt.  Thank you.

To the members of the event committee -- once again, I stand in awe of your
dedication and contribution, not only over the course of the weekend, but also
through every step along the long road to bring this event to fruition.  Looking
into your eyes this weekend, I saw both exhaustion and joy -- there's a part of
me that still can't believe that it all came together!  Lisa Barty, Alex
Cuberovic, Rick Peterson, Craig Williams, Lawrence Michor, Wes Ramsay, Ray
Hobbs, Peter Twist -- you are my heroes.  Add in Mike McAllister and Jason Ryan
from the City, Stoney Creek's ultimate "connections guy" Leon Sauers, and of
course, Susan Ramsay, Don Lougheed, Marnie Maslin, Sandy Shichowy, and Daryl
MacTavish from Battlefield House -- you are an amazing group of people and it
has been my privilege to work with you.

As always, feedback on the event would be very much appreciated, as we strive to
make it better for each coming year (especially with 2013 on the immediate
horizon).  Please feel free to forward any thoughts, suggestions, or comments
that you might have to Susan Ramsay, curator of Battlefield House, at
susan.ramsay(at)hamilton.ca (replace (at) with @).

Once again, thank you to you all.

And now, on to Port Dover!  Hope to see you there,
-- Sioux

There were no deaths among Runchey's Corps on May 27th.  Who else would the
black soldier in Glengarry Uniform be but a Glengarry?

From what I understand there were five Black members of the GLIF but I would
have to do some serious genealogical work before swearing by it.






-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Gardner <igardner@...>
To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:22 pm
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: 1812 Black members of the Glengarrys




Hi Bill,

Do you know if any of the Glengarry's casualties at Fort George were
black? Just reconciling the Meyers' account of the black casualty with
GLI records

Ian



-----Original Message-----
From: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of glifencible
Sent: June 4, 2010 4:07 PM
To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: 1812 Black members of the Glengarrys



A quick scan through my records, I found one Joseph Fraser. He's
described as 5'10 1/2" tall, Complexion - black, Eyes - black, hair -
black.

He was born in Johnston Parish, Lower Canada, and was 22 when he
enlisted in the Glens. Prior to enlisting he was a labourer,

Other descriptions of the men included the following:

Light
Fair
Dark
Fresh
Brown


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It was so nice to see so many of you at Stoney Creek. A great weekend of
companionship and meeting new people
A big Huzzah to all of the event organizers for an outstanding job. Biggest
crowds I recall seeing.

Be well, rested and dry!
"Drums"



--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "tom4141fournier" <tom4141fournier@...> wrote:
>
> Good evening List!
>
> Weather seemed to be a common topic in the post event discussions last year. 
We can carry on with Stoney Creek 2010.
>
> A booming thunderstorm on Friday night which was followed up by a pounding
rain and then ongoing showers through Saturday night into Sunday morning made
for an interesting weekend.
>
> How nice that the weather cleared in time for reasonably dry canvas for the
trek home.
>
> So many of our reenactor friends are involved in the planning and preparation
for this event.  To our good friends and also the staff and volunteers; thank
you and congratulations!  We all know too well that you cannot control the
weather. In spite of the weather, I personally had a wonderful weekend.
>
> What huge crowds came out in support of all the battles, even the Sunday
battle!
>
> All in all a very good weekend! Huzza!
>
> Tom Fournier, Captain
> 41st Regiment
>