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#37372 From: "whittakermp" <whittakermp@...>
Date: Mon Sep 1, 2008 1:50 pm
Subject: Re: NEW DATE: War of 1812 War College, May 23, 2009
whittakermp
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My apologies for posting May 23 as the new date for the War College.
The seminar will be may 2 as posted to www.fortlapresentation.net.

Mea culpa,
Michael Whittaker

#37373 From: "Patrick Costa" <Costa.patrick@...>
Date: Mon Sep 1, 2008 2:16 pm
Subject: Grand Tactical...need a lift.
suntzu1313
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If any unit/person is coming up I-81 North or passing in/around Roanoke, VA,
I would be interested in getting a lift to the event. I can help off set gas
costs there and back.

--Patrick Costa
2522 Longview Ave. SW
Apt 2
Roanoke, VA
24014
419-944-3683

--
"Courage is doing the right thing when nobody is looking. Political courage
is doing the right thing when they are" Unknown

"It is not the critic who counts,
not the man who points out how the
strong man stumbled, or where the doer of
deeds could have done better. The credit belongs
to the man who is actually in the arena;
whose face is marred by the dust and
sweat and blood; who strives valiantly;
who errs and comes short again and again;
who knows the great enthusiasms,
the great devotions and spends himself in a
worthy course; who at the best, knows in the
end the triumph of high achievement, and
who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while
daring greatly; so that his place shall never
be with those cold and timid souls who
know neither victory or defeat" TR


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#37374 From: HAROLD DENNISON <hdennison@...>
Date: Mon Sep 1, 2008 4:11 pm
Subject: Re: 1812 Fairfield
sgtmajhal
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Roy,
 
Pleased to see that it was a success again this year. I will have to make it out
again as it is generally an enjoyable weekend.
What do you mean by "non sanctioned event"?
 
Hal
 


--- On Sun, 8/31/08, roy winders <rangerroy50@...> wrote:

From: roy winders <rangerroy50@...>
Subject: 1812 Fairfield
To: warof1812@yahoogroups.com
Received: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 11:37 PM






Just got back from Fairfield and would like to thank Gail, Chris and all the
volunteers who helped
make this a most enjoyable event, fun was had by all who chose to support this
NON-SANCTIONED
event.
Roy Winders, Capt. B.I.D.

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#37375 From: Craig Williams <sgtwarner@...>
Date: Mon Sep 1, 2008 4:17 pm
Subject: Re: 1812 Fairfield
sgtwarnersco
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My question exactly Dave.
What's a "non-sanctioned event" Roy ?

Craig Williams
On 1-Oct-08, at 11:42 PM, DAVID BRUNELLE wrote:

> What do you mean by non-sanctioned event?
>
> David Brunelle
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: roy winders
> To: warof1812@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:37 PM
> Subject: 1812 Fairfield
>
> Just got back from Fairfield and would like to thank Gail, Chris
> and all the volunteers who helped
> make this a most enjoyable event, fun was had by all who chose to
> support this NON-SANCTIONED
> event.
> Roy Winders, Capt. B.I.D.
>
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#37376 From: "Tom Fournier" <tom4141fournier@...>
Date: Mon Sep 1, 2008 4:36 pm
Subject: Fort St. Joseph Pictures
tom4141fournier
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Hello list!

I had the opportunity this weekend to visit the site/ruins of Fort St.
Joseph near Sault Ste. Marie.

This is where Captain Roberts of the 10th RVB left to capture Fort
Michlimackinac at the opening of the War of 1812. The fort was burned
by the Americans in 1814 and never restored.

It is in a very remote location - about a half hour off of the highway
with the exit a further half hour drive from Sault Ste. Marie.  It is
on a promonotory on the southern most tip of the very large and scenic
St. Joseph Island.

I thought that not many list members would ever have an opportunity to
visit this site and have made available my photo album in Flickr.

Please follow the link:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom4141fournier/sets/72157607054496072/

If it does not work or you can not reconstruct it, let me know off line
and I will be happy to email you the link.

tom4141fournier (@) yahoo.ca

Looking forward to seeing many of you at the Grand Tactical!

Tom Fournier
41st Regiment of Foot MLHG
www.fortyfirst.org

#37377 From: HAROLD DENNISON <hdennison@...>
Date: Mon Sep 1, 2008 5:51 pm
Subject: Re: 1812 Fort St. Joseph Pictures
sgtmajhal
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Thanks for the pics, Tom.
Fort St Joseph, while a little out of the way, is well worth the visit. Bonni
and I and the boys were there a number of years ago after attending the event at
Mackinac. Because there is nothing built up around it, it gives a much better
impression/feeling of just how remote these two outposts really were.
 
Hal
 
     

--- On Mon, 9/1/08, Tom Fournier <tom4141fournier@...> wrote:

From: Tom Fournier <tom4141fournier@...>
Subject: 1812 Fort St. Joseph Pictures
To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, September 1, 2008, 12:36 PM






Hello list!

I had the opportunity this weekend to visit the site/ruins of Fort St.
Joseph near Sault Ste. Marie.

This is where Captain Roberts of the 10th RVB left to capture Fort
Michlimackinac at the opening of the War of 1812. The fort was burned
by the Americans in 1814 and never restored.

It is in a very remote location - about a half hour off of the highway
with the exit a further half hour drive from Sault Ste. Marie. It is
on a promonotory on the southern most tip of the very large and scenic
St. Joseph Island.

I thought that not many list members would ever have an opportunity to
visit this site and have made available my photo album in Flickr.

Please follow the link:

http://www.flickr. com/photos/ tom4141fournier/ sets/72157607054 496072/

If it does not work or you can not reconstruct it, let me know off line
and I will be happy to email you the link.

tom4141fournier (@) yahoo.ca

Looking forward to seeing many of you at the Grand Tactical!

Tom Fournier
41st Regiment of Foot MLHG
www.fortyfirst. org















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#37378 From: "Gord Deans" <gord.deans@...>
Date: Mon Sep 1, 2008 7:50 pm
Subject: RE: 1812 Fairfield NON-SANCTIONED ?
gorddeans
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Roy,

NON-SANCTIONED?  Does this mean that we should NOT attend this event?
Is it UNSAFE?  Is it UNINSURED?  Is it UNPOPULAR?  Is it on an
INCONVENIENT weekend?  We are all curious.

HMS Charwell Landing Party has had many enjoyable years at this event
and would have been present this year except for the health issues of
Elsie and Ken Fisher and the equipment and vehicle theft from our
Royal Marine, Bill Kovaks.

Who "NON-SANCTIONED" it?


-----Original Message-----
From: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of roy winders
Sent: August 31, 2008 11:38 PM
To: warof1812@yahoogroups.com
Subject: 1812 Fairfield

Just got back from Fairfield and would like to thank Gail, Chris and
all the volunteers who helped make this a most enjoyable event, fun
was had by all who chose to support this NON-SANCTIONED event.

Roy Winders, Capt. B.I.D.

#37379 From: "Chris" <littlefeatherscrafts@...>
Date: Mon Sep 1, 2008 8:47 pm
Subject: Hello to all
littlefeathe...
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Just to add to our wonderful History.
Since 1991 I have been with the British Indian department a wonderful
unit. It has come to a time when I feel that the 5th Lincoln militia
should be brought back to this hobbie. This is the first unit that I
started with at the age of 8 and has for the past 14 years has not
been portrayed in the hobbie. As of this weekend coming at Backus
mills 2008 the 5th Lincoln militia will become part of our hobbie. I
will be commanding the unit with a wonderful bunch of guys behind me.
I do have some stuff from when I was with the unit, but If anyone has
any information I could use to help portray this unit as well as we
can it would be greatly appreciated. Commands, drills, etc..

God save the king

Signed, Captain Wilkinson of the 5th Lincoln Militia

#37380 From: "Chris" <littlefeatherscrafts@...>
Date: Mon Sep 1, 2008 9:35 pm
Subject: Contact Email
littlefeathe...
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fithlincolnmilitia@...

#37381 From: "John Harris" <jharris@...>
Date: Mon Sep 1, 2008 11:25 pm
Subject: RE: New Unit - 5th Lincoln Militia
gasmaster42nd
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"It has come to a time when I feel that the 5th Lincoln militia
  should be brought back to this hobbie. This is the first unit that I
  started with at the age of 8 and has for the past 14 years has not
  been portrayed in the hobbie. As of this weekend coming at Backus
  mills 2008 the 5th Lincoln militia will become part of our hobbie. >
  God save the king
  Signed, Captain Wilkinson of the 5th Lincoln Militia"

  Congradulations on forming a new unit. A have a few question's for
you:
1-Which company will you be portraying?
2-Will you working with the already established 5th Lincoln Militia
Under/with Calvin Arnt? ( My apologies if I've mis-spelled)
3-Will you be properly uniformed as Upper Canada Embodied Militia
(I.E.- green coats with red facings)?
  It's always good to have more uniformed troops in this hobby and I
wish you the best of luck in this endevor!
Regards
John Harris
Brigade Major
US Northern Brigade

#37382 From: "Kevin Windsor" <kevin.windsor@...>
Date: Mon Sep 1, 2008 11:27 pm
Subject: RE: 1812 RE: New Unit - 5th Lincoln Militia
kevinwindsorca
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Mr. Arnt is with the 1st Lincoln Militia



KW



   _____

From: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Harris


2-Will you working with the already established 5th Lincoln Militia
Under/with Calvin Arnt? ( My apologies if I've mis-spelled)





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#37383 From: "John Harris" <jharris@...>
Date: Mon Sep 1, 2008 11:30 pm
Subject: Re: 1812 RE: New Unit - 5th Lincoln Militia
gasmaster42nd
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I stand corrected !!! Thank you Kevin !
Regards
John
PS- Y'all look the same to us !!
8^)

--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin  Windsor"
<kevin.windsor@...> wrote:
>
> Mr. Arnt is with the 1st Lincoln Militia
>
>
>
> KW
>
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>
>   _____
>
> From: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf
> Of John Harris
>
>
> 2-Will you working with the already established 5th Lincoln Militia
> Under/with Calvin Arnt? ( My apologies if I've mis-spelled)
>
>
>
>
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#37384 From: "Larry Lozon" <larrylozon@...>
Date: Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:43 am
Subject: Lincoln Militia
larrylozon
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According to http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
The Lincoln Militia is represented as


1st Regt. Lincoln Militia
Calvin Arnt
americantory(at)cogeco.ca

1st Regt. Lincoln Militia,
No. 2 Flank Co.
Sal Abbruscato
fabbruscato(at)cogeco.ca


5th  Regt. Lincoln Militia
John  Sharp
(no email)

Yrs.,
  L2

#37385 From: "Chris" <littlefeatherscrafts@...>
Date: Tue Sep 2, 2008 1:15 am
Subject: Re: New Unit - 5th Lincoln Militia
littlefeathe...
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As far as I know after I dusted off my old paper work.
It's the 5th Lincoln Militia 2nd Company.
This will make now in are hobbie
  1st Lincoln Militia
  4th Lincoln Militia
  5th LIncoln Militia
I do beleave  it's Red Coats Green faceing's
This is what we wear in the 80's
If any one knows Kevin O'Hallarin could you please pass on my Email
Address so I can get some info on the 5th Lincoln Militia since he was
one of are Former members that was in charge of the unit.
fithlincolnmilitia@...
Thanks
Captain Wilkinson
5th Lincoln Militia

#37386 From: BritcomHMP@...
Date: Tue Sep 2, 2008 2:22 am
Subject: Re: 1812 Re: Hurricane; Was Corunna 2009
timpickles
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I wasn't planning to but my girlfriend convinced me she needed my hel so I did.
I doubt that I will again. The 34 hour drive in stop and go traffic, sleeing in
the car with the dog, playing 'hunt the gasoline', and 'avoid the car wreck'.

I left behind food, warter, generator, batteries and a group of a dozen friends
(including, an artist, acedemic, member of the attorney enerals office and
ex-council wooman (mongst others) who are looking after the neighborhood. I have
my press pess and cameras with me?and am probably more shattered here in NC than
I would have been if I had stayed.

That my saun brain dead but, to quote a friend of mine, you have to be there.
And yes, after that deive my brain is dead so?I am rambling.

Thank you so much for asking Ted. nice to know people care:-)

Kindest regards,

Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: tedyeat <tedyeat@...>
To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:03 pm
Subject: 1812 Re: Hurricane; Was Corunna 2009






Tim,
I assume you are planning to evacuate. This looks like it could be
Katrina revisted and then some. Hope everything works out and
everyone down there gets out of the way. Stay safe and let us know
how it goes when you can.

YH&OS,
T. Yeatman

--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, BritcomHMP@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 8/27/2008 6:51:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
> tedyeat@... writes:
>
> Tim,
> Sounds like you may be in the crosshairs of another hurricane.
> Hope you and everyone in the N.O. and Gulf Coast come out of this
OK.
>
> YH&OS,
> T. Yeatman
>
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> Many thanks Ted, yes indeed. Things had been a bit dull lately. I
and many
> of my friends stayed last time and though it was no picnic it was
livable. We
> shall making the decision as to wether to go or stay in the next
couple of
> days but remember Katrina was already a hurricane at this stage
while this one
> is just building back up from being downgraded to a tropical
storm. Anyway I
> have been stocking up with water and food so we shall see what
happens.
>
> Cheers
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find
your travel
> deal here.
> (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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#37387 From: "Dave Westhouse" <westhouse@...>
Date: Tue Sep 2, 2008 3:18 am
Subject: Re: 5th Lincoln Militia
westhouse03
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Chris,

Obviously the other units portraying other Lincoln Militia units would
be of great help. Other than that, read the drill manual and attend
the Officer/NCO school in April. Someone to run you through it all
would help too.

Why the change?

Dave Westhouse,
1st Royal Scots Battn.





...but If anyone hasany information I could use to help portray this
unit as well as we can it would be greatly appreciated. Commands,
drills, etc..

God save the king

Signed, Captain Wilkinson of the 5th Lincoln Militia

#37388 From: "ronpontiac" <ronaldjdale@...>
Date: Tue Sep 2, 2008 3:33 am
Subject: Re: Hello to all
ronpontiac
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--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <littlefeatherscrafts@...>
wrote:

> I do have some stuff from when I was with the unit, but If anyone
has
> any information I could use to help portray this unit as well as we
> can it would be greatly appreciated.


Hi Chris,

Assuming that you will be portraying one of the flank companies,
probably the best bet for uniform would be to pick a period and go
with that:

June 1812----Civilian clothing
August 1812--Old, beat up faded 41st Regiment coattees for those
portraying men who went to Detroit with Brock--others in Civilian
dress

Summer 1813-December 1814:  Officers in Red coats with blue facings,
buttons in pairs, limited gold lace;   men represent a bit of
problem.  The orders say green faced red uniforms.  Did this mean red
coats with green facings or green coats with red facings? Supporting
documents remain confusing at best but it seems that more red cloth
was sent out, suggesting that red may have been the colour.  All
surviving Lincoln Militia officers' coattees are red coats with blue
facings.  The headdress could be a "stovepipe" shako or, by the last
year of the war,  a belgic shako.  Trousers grey.  Belts?? Hard
call.  There were many, many black belts sent out from stores in
Quebec for the militia but whether or not  buff belts were received
by 1814 would require more concentrated research.

As per drill etc., the flank companies were well-drilled in the
standard British platoon and manual exercises.

Have fun,

Ron Dale

#37389 From: "Sue" <saultcitysoo@...>
Date: Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:53 pm
Subject: Re: NEW DATE: War of 1812 War College, May 23, 2009
saultcitysoo
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You're forgiven.
Sleep deprivation caused by bleating goat for 2 nights will do it
every time. LOL

--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "whittakermp" <whittakermp@...> wrote:
>
> My apologies for posting May 23 as the new date for the War College.
> The seminar will be may 2 as posted to www.fortlapresentation.net.
>
> Mea culpa,
> Michael Whittaker
>

#37390 From: "Sue" <saultcitysoo@...>
Date: Tue Sep 2, 2008 1:03 pm
Subject: Re: 1812 Fort St. Joseph Pictures
saultcitysoo
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Thanks Tom!
When I lived in Algoma, the site had not been "developed" at all. Nice
to see progress.

--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, HAROLD DENNISON <hdennison@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the pics, Tom.
> Fort St Joseph, while a little out of the way, is well worth the
visit. Bonni and I and the boys were there a number of years ago after
attending the event at Mackinac. Because there is nothing built up
around it, it gives a much better impression/feeling of just how
remote these two outposts really were.
>  
> Hal
>  
>      
>
> --- On Mon, 9/1/08, Tom Fournier <tom4141fournier@...> wrote:
>
> From: Tom Fournier <tom4141fournier@...>
> Subject: 1812 Fort St. Joseph Pictures
> To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Monday, September 1, 2008, 12:36 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello list!
>
> I had the opportunity this weekend to visit the site/ruins of Fort St.
> Joseph near Sault Ste. Marie.
>
> This is where Captain Roberts of the 10th RVB left to capture Fort
> Michlimackinac at the opening of the War of 1812. The fort was burned
> by the Americans in 1814 and never restored.
>
> It is in a very remote location - about a half hour off of the highway
> with the exit a further half hour drive from Sault Ste. Marie. It is
> on a promonotory on the southern most tip of the very large and scenic
> St. Joseph Island.
>
> I thought that not many list members would ever have an opportunity to
> visit this site and have made available my photo album in Flickr.
>
> Please follow the link:
>
> http://www.flickr. com/photos/ tom4141fournier/ sets/72157607054
496072/
>
> If it does not work or you can not reconstruct it, let me know off line
> and I will be happy to email you the link.
>
> tom4141fournier (@) yahoo.ca
>
> Looking forward to seeing many of you at the Grand Tactical!
>
> Tom Fournier
> 41st Regiment of Foot MLHG
> www.fortyfirst. org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

#37391 From: "Chris" <littlefeatherscrafts@...>
Date: Tue Sep 2, 2008 2:08 pm
Subject: Re: 5th Lincoln Militia
littlefeathe...
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> Chris,
>
> Obviously the other units portraying other Lincoln Militia units would
> be of great help. Other than that, read the drill manual and attend
> the Officer/NCO school in April. Someone to run you through it all
> would help too.
>
> Why the change?
>
> Dave Westhouse,
> 1st Royal Scots Battn.

Was thinking at camp this past weekend, Was thinking on what fun we
had back in the day.
I joined the 5th Lincoln Militia Back in 1984 and in the mid to late
1990's the group went it's own way. Since that date we have lost a few
good men. I said to my wife I want to bring back The 5th Lincoln. One
so we can pay respect to the men that fought back in 1812 to 1813,
Also for the Men that I grew up with and has past on to.
So this is the reason for the Change. See you all this weekend!

  God save the king

  Signed, Captain Wilkinson of the 5th Lincoln Militia

#37392 From: "James Yaworsky" <yawors1@...>
Date: Tue Sep 2, 2008 2:08 pm
Subject: website photo: site of Fort St. Joseph, 2008
yawors1
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Subject line says it all.

The Moderator

#37393 From: "sacbg7" <sacbg7@...>
Date: Tue Sep 2, 2008 2:22 pm
Subject: Grand Tactical Final countdown!
sacbg7
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Dear Friends,

This is a reminder that your final registration for this year's
Grand Tactical is due in 7 days!

If you have not sent in your electronic registration please do so by
September 9.  That is the final cut off date.

For those planning on particpating in the site sponsored meal plan
your payment must be in the hands of the site coordinator by the
same date.  If you have any questions on the plan contact Megan
Williams at mwilliams(at)mdp.state.md.us

If you need an electronic registration form please write to Vince
Wilding at vince (at) vincewilding.com

A link to the final information packet for this event will be posted
on this list by Vince tonight.  Look for his announcement.

We look forward to seeing you all in 17 short days!


Sincerely,
Steve Abolt
US Forces Commander
Event co-cordinator

#37394 From: Craig Williams <sgtwarner@...>
Date: Tue Sep 2, 2008 4:27 pm
Subject: Fwd: Fairfield
sgtwarnersco
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In response to Mr. Winders' posting, and some conversations via the
phone...


I would like to clarify something, and also put down useless and
baseless rumors that have been started regarding the existence of
supposed "SANCTIONED" events.

There is no such animal.  There is no hidden agenda of "sanctioned
events" . Each unit holds its own insurance policy and therefore
designates its own events list. The Crown Forces has no jurisdiction
in those decisions. Which events each of the units do are entirely up
to the units themselves.

Also, I'd like to point out that there seems to be a perception that
the Crown Forces is the Staff. The staff serve only at the pleasure
of the existing members units that comprise the loose affiliation of
British 1812 units existing under the convenient title "Crown
Forces", and that the whole of the Crown Forces make policy-- not the
"Big hats".

May I suggest that when someone hears of something like this that has
an obvious taint of "intrigue" or "conspiracy", you first look at the
messenger  and then contact your unit commander and ask them for
clarification. Or, if any reenactor has heard something that concerns
them, they can contact any one of either myself, Peter Twist, Peter
Monahan or Doug Decroix. Better yet ask everyone in the open forum of
the Yahoo group where a large amount of the community has a chance to
hear it and comment on it .  Rumors almost never survive exposure to
light.

There ARE Crown Forces events that all are made aware of,  but this
is not the same thing as what is being insinuated by some individual/
s . These folks are putting out the idea that somewhere someone is
generating a separate list of events that are to be attended or
avoided outside of the designated events that everyone is aware of.

The "all-units" discussions are open to the command structure of all
individual units that make up the  Crown Forces who-- under the
guidance of the whole of the member units-- designate three events a
season as all-up efforts. The thinking here is to get maximum turn
out to those events to: 1) encourage a larger turnout of US troops
2 ) to accustom sites to dealing with large numbers as the
bicentennial approaches and 3) to help focus the group effort
overall. One of these three is always the Grand Tactical, the
location of which changes every year, and the other two are usually
regularly scheduled events. That doesn't mean that we don't attend
any other events other than those designated as the Crowns Forces
events for that season: it just means that we are trying to create a
few slightly larger events that year for the enjoyment of all.

There is nothing hidden about this. People go to the events that
interest them and that are designated by their units. I know I go to
some that others don't care for. I know that there are some that
Peter Twist does that I don't, and vise-versa. There are some events
that are done by one unit that aren't done by the next, and some that
we all do. Nothing sinister about this at all.

As to the event at Fairfield; there is the problem of an unfortunate
date choice here. This was, after all, the Labour Day weekend. Lots
of people have family commitments or other plans for this weekend,
and it is typically not a strong runner for an event. I myself have
another commitment annually on this weekend that precludes my
participation.

Hope that this clarifies the situation,

Craig Williams


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#37395 From: "Dave Westhouse" <westhouse@...>
Date: Tue Sep 2, 2008 4:54 pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fairfield
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Mr. Williams,

Nicely said.

If I may add...The website that I put up through the Royal Scots
Grenadiers site envelope on War of 1812 events;

http://royal.scots.tripod.com/warof1812eventslist/

is posted as a courtesy for all to refer to for 1812 events that
anyone and everybody can attend. Those which are designated the Crown
Forces All up events are highlighted to bring attention to them.
Events are posted as they are made known to me and any event can be
listed. There are of course many other sites which list events which
are equally as good and in some cases better but this site is a basic
list provided purely for reference.

The calendar of events listed on the Royal Scots Grenadiers site;

http://www.royalscotsgrenadiers.com/1812events.html

differs in that it lists those events that our unit or at least 1
member of our unit will be in attendance.

One may notice that Fairfield was not listed on the first site and
only because I was not asked to list it, and had heard that the site
was by invitation only. If someone would like it added for 2009 it
will by all means be added. This is the first year since 2002 I had
not attended. It's a nice relaxing site and it is a great time of year
for it there.



On the War of 1812 Events list is also a fine print piece that reads;

'The intent of Crown Forces events is not to go to just CF "all-up"
events but to encourage re-enactors to make these specific events a
priority for the present season so that both Crown and US forces can
put together larger events. If a choice must be made at some point
during the season between two events the idea is to try to come down
on the side of the CF event. It is no way intended that
re-enactors/units shouldn't go to the other events.'


I agree with Mr. Williams and the Crown Forces idea that
groups/re-enactors should make every possible attempt to attend a CF
event. The greater time given in notice the better and already we know
2 of those for 2009;
Fort Meigs and Crysler's Farm.

As an aside I have noticed on some unit websites the mention of
sanctioned and non-sanctioned events. Simply I think it means that if
a member chooses to go to a non-sanctioned event it only means the
unit has not specified it for their unit to attend in mass numbers.
Others list events by 'strongly, highly or mandatory attendance, or in
bold for absolute, italics for possible then normal for it is there
and attend as you wish. Or something of the like.

Our site all ups are listed within our member's area and include the
CF events plus a few others.


Dave Westhouse









In response to Mr. Winders' posting, and some conversations via the
phone...


I would like to clarify something, and also put down useless and
baseless rumors that have been started regarding the existence of
supposed "SANCTIONED" events.

There is no such animal. There is no hidden agenda of "sanctioned
events" . Each unit holds its own insurance policy and therefore
designates its own events list. The Crown Forces has no jurisdiction
in those decisions. Which events each of the units do are entirely up
to the units themselves.

Also, I'd like to point out that there seems to be a perception that
the Crown Forces is the Staff. The staff serve only at the pleasure
of the existing members units that comprise the loose affiliation of
British 1812 units existing under the convenient title "Crown
Forces", and that the whole of the Crown Forces make policy-- not the
"Big hats".

May I suggest that when someone hears of something like this that has
an obvious taint of "intrigue" or "conspiracy", you first look at the
messenger and then contact your unit commander and ask them for
clarification. Or, if any reenactor has heard something that concerns
them, they can contact any one of either myself, Peter Twist, Peter
Monahan or Doug Decroix. Better yet ask everyone in the open forum of
the Yahoo group where a large amount of the community has a chance to
hear it and comment on it . Rumors almost never survive exposure to
light.

There ARE Crown Forces events that all are made aware of, but this
is not the same thing as what is being insinuated by some individual/
s . These folks are putting out the idea that somewhere someone is
generating a separate list of events that are to be attended or
avoided outside of the designated events that everyone is aware of.

The "all-units" discussions are open to the command structure of all
individual units that make up the Crown Forces who-- under the
guidance of the whole of the member units-- designate three events a
season as all-up efforts. The thinking here is to get maximum turn
out to those events to: 1) encourage a larger turnout of US troops
2 ) to accustom sites to dealing with large numbers as the
bicentennial approaches and 3) to help focus the group effort
overall. One of these three is always the Grand Tactical, the
location of which changes every year, and the other two are usually
regularly scheduled events. That doesn't mean that we don't attend
any other events other than those designated as the Crowns Forces
events for that season: it just means that we are trying to create a
few slightly larger events that year for the enjoyment of all.

There is nothing hidden about this. People go to the events that
interest them and that are designated by their units. I know I go to
some that others don't care for. I know that there are some that
Peter Twist does that I don't, and vise-versa. There are some events
that are done by one unit that aren't done by the next, and some that
we all do. Nothing sinister about this at all.

As to the event at Fairfield; there is the problem of an unfortunate
date choice here. This was, after all, the Labour Day weekend. Lots
of people have family commitments or other plans for this weekend,
and it is typically not a strong runner for an event. I myself have
another commitment annually on this weekend that precludes my
participation.

Hope that this clarifies the situation,

Craig Williams

#37396 From: "Dave Westhouse" <westhouse@...>
Date: Tue Sep 2, 2008 4:56 pm
Subject: Re: Grand Tactical Final countdown!
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:)

I'm all goose pimply. Looking forward to it.

Dave Westhouse.






Dear Friends,

This is a reminder that your final registration for this year's
Grand Tactical is due in 7 days!

If you have not sent in your electronic registration please do so by
September 9. That is the final cut off date.

For those planning on particpating in the site sponsored meal plan
your payment must be in the hands of the site coordinator by the
same date. If you have any questions on the plan contact Megan
Williams at mwilliams(at)mdp.state.md.us

If you need an electronic registration form please write to Vince
Wilding at vince (at) vincewilding.com

A link to the final information packet for this event will be posted
on this list by Vince tonight. Look for his announcement.

We look forward to seeing you all in 17 short days!


Sincerely,
Steve Abolt
US Forces Commander
Event co-cordinator

#37397 From: Steve Abolt <sacbg7@...>
Date: Tue Sep 2, 2008 5:02 pm
Subject: Re: 1812 Re: Grand Tactical Final countdown!
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Dave...
 
You just took me, image wise, to that dark undiscovered country which
best remaineth so!
 
See you there!!!....goose pimples and all....
 
Be still my beating heart :-))
 
All the best,
S.

Cottonbalers, By God!

visit our website at www.cottonbalers.lynchburg.net

--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Dave Westhouse <westhouse@...> wrote:

:)

I'm all goose pimply.

#37398 From: "peter monahan" <petemonahan@...>
Date: Tue Sep 2, 2008 5:25 pm
Subject: Re: Grand Tactical Final countdown!
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Dave Westhouse <westhouse@...> wrote:

  :)

I'm all goose pimply...   AND

Steve Abolt <sacbg7@...> wrote:
   
You just took me, image wise, to that dark undiscovered country which
best remaineth so!
   
See you there!!!....goose pimples and all....
   
Be still my beating heart :-))

Please, gentlemen, this is a family show!

#37399 From: HAROLD DENNISON <hdennison@...>
Date: Tue Sep 2, 2008 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: 1812 Re: Grand Tactical Final countdown!
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I'm getting pretty excited as well.


--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Dave Westhouse <westhouse@...> wrote:

From: Dave Westhouse <westhouse@...>
Subject: 1812 Re: Grand Tactical Final countdown!
To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
Received: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 12:56 PM






:)

I'm all goose pimply. Looking forward to it.

Dave Westhouse.

Dear Friends,

This is a reminder that your final registration for this year's
Grand Tactical is due in 7 days!

If you have not sent in your electronic registration please do so by
September 9. That is the final cut off date.

For those planning on particpating in the site sponsored meal plan
your payment must be in the hands of the site coordinator by the
same date. If you have any questions on the plan contact Megan
Williams at mwilliams(at) mdp.state. md.us

If you need an electronic registration form please write to Vince
Wilding at vince (at) vincewilding. com

A link to the final information packet for this event will be posted
on this list by Vince tonight. Look for his announcement.

We look forward to seeing you all in 17 short days!

Sincerely,
Steve Abolt
US Forces Commander
Event co-cordinator















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#37400 From: roy winders <rangerroy50@...>
Date: Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:33 pm
Subject: Fairfield
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To the staff of the crown forces and to the list I would like to extend my
apollogies for
jumping the gun on an unfounded rumour, as Mr. Williams rightly pointed out to
me, I
should have approached the crown forces staff directly. Mr Williams has not only
assured me
but also convinced me that the rumour is exactly that. I take full
responsibility for any trouble caused. 
yr most humble servant,
Roy Winders, Capt. B.I.D.


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#37401 From: "Dale Kidd" <ucpm_gunner@...>
Date: Tue Sep 2, 2008 10:24 pm
Subject: Re: CFNA representation (was Fairfield)
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Allow me to add a brief notation to this discussion:

At Ft. Erie, a messenger was sent around to the various Crown units
requesting that one officer or other representative of each unit
attend Gen. Twist's tent to discuss the all-up events for next year.
After a brief discussion with Midshipman Whyte (ranking Povincial
Marine officer present at the event), I attended that meeting myself
on behalf of our unit. I can testify that the entire proceedings were
carried out in a wholly democratic manner. I was not even required to
take an oath of secrecy, or participate in any macabre initiation
ritual prior to my participation! The minutes of that meeting were
posted on this list some time ago, for all to see, and were
completely accurate to the best of my memory.

I do note that the B.I.D. was not represented at the meeting. Given
that I had been speaking with Roy only minutes prior, I was somewhat
surprised by this. I am unsure whether this was a result of the
somewhat rushed announcement of the meeting (I had only 20 minutes to
prepare and get there) resulting in some units being missed. However,
I would respectfuly submit that this is one area in which we might
improve in future... more notice, and a check-off list of units
notified so that noone is left out.

To the best of my knowledge, the only way any event could be
accurately described as "unsanctioned" by the CFNA would be if that
event was condemned, on the record, at a meeting of CFNA member unit
representatives for something as serious as safety concerns. The CFNA
does not otherwise approve or disapprove any event, with the
exception of endorsing the three annual all-up events. As already
mentioned, individual units may decide that their insurance will or
will not cover their members at certain events. They may
thus "sanction" events for their own membership.

Without prejudice,

Dale Kidd
(tucking the crow feather back into his hatband...)

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